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Let’s settle this debate once and for all.
Is Goyim an innately derogatory term within Judaism? Or is it a neutrally-charged term for non-Jews?
In the modern context? Historic? Reformed, Liberal, Orthodox? Regional context?
The early Rabbinic Movement (0 AD to 500 AD) obviously despised Goyim overall, but does that constitute Goyim as a slur?
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>>18432058
It's obviously not a slur. Here's a very simple proof that I think should suffice anyone who's not a schizo Jew hater. In the Talmud (Kiddushin 31a), the sages are discussing how far one must go to fulfill the obligation to honor his parents. Rav Ulla cites the exemplary conduct of a goy by the name of Dama ben Netina, saying:
>Go and see what one gentile [the word used here in uncensored versions is goy] did in Ashkelon, and his name was Dama ben Netina
If "goy" were inherently a derogatory term, it would make no sense to call someone that while praising them.
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>>18432058
In the Epstein files they repeatedly use the term goyim to refer to people both collectively and individually. What did they mean by this?
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>>18432058
It can be both, technically. By itself it doesn't have to be derogatory. But it tends to be because it inherently refers to an outgroup Jews tend to be on bad terms with.
By itself as a word, it just refers to non-jews and there are occassions were its used non-derogatorily.
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Iirc gentile is just a latin way of rendering the same meaning. G
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They are referring to non-jews.
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>They are referring to non-jews.
Ya but why? What did they mean by this Email in particular? What kind of a war are they talking about?