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>USSR and Kuomintang actually used to be allies before KMT randomly decided to massacre all the Commie sympathizers in Shanghai in 1927

Holy fuck. I never knew of this before. Marxist Realpolitik is really just aligning with anyone who would agree to.
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>>18432061

I mean, The US and its allies voted repeatedly to keep Pol Pot the Khmer Rouge as the legitimate representatives of Cambodia. This is something they often forget to mention while talking about Pol Pot.
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>>18432062
Modern Israel and Taiwan are technically both creations of the USSR. They never would have survived without Soviet backing in critical times. Another reason Russian citizens shouldn't miss the Soviets because they created their modern enemies.
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>anon discovers realpolitik
The Kuomintang were just the safer bet at the time.

Mao won his civil war on the backs of the peasantry, not dockworkers and university students.
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>>18432066
USSR after Trotsky was kicked out made some really stupid choices

>supporting KMT indirectly leading to modern Taiwan issue
>funding and supporting Israel
>Gave Ukraine its current borders (Donbas 1921, Crimea 1954)

Literally all of these current issues have some origin with the USSR's foreign policy being shit/ revisionist.
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>>18432062
also both the American bloc and China and it's allies sanctioned Vietnam for decades because they defended themselves against the Khmer Rouge and deposed Pol Pot
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>>18432078
Funnily enough it was the State Department that recommended that Truman abandon Taiwan to the chicoms once it was clear Chiang was doomed on the mainland in the hopes that it would it result in a "Titoist" China (i.e. one not aligned with the USSR).
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>>18432099
>it would it result in a "Titoist" China (i.e. one not aligned with the USSR).
This part happened thoughbeit
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>>18432064
And both are cursed by leftists to this day lmao
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>Marxist Realpolitik is really just aligning with anyone who would agree to
I think you are overestimating how reactionary the KMT was during this period. The Soviet Union certainly preferred the CCP but before Chiang's consolidation of power the KMT had numerous committed marxists such as Chen Gongbo. In other words it wasn't purely realpolitik the KMT was a revolutionary project
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>>18432061

The KMT was as much of a revolutionary "Pariah" as the Soviet Union at first. This is something people forget about. There's a reason the Soviet Union actively gave them guns.

After the 1911 Revolution, China fractured into territories controlled by various warlords. The "official" government in Beijing (the Beiyang government) was recognized by Western powers like Britain and the U.S. Meanwhile, Sun Yat-sen’s KMT government in Guangzhou was viewed as a group of illegitimate rebels.

Sun Yat-sen grew increasingly frustrated when Western democracies refused to help him unify China. This led him to adopt a fierce anti-imperialist rhetoric, aiming to tear up the "unequal treaties" that gave Western powers control over Chinese ports. This made him a threat to the established global order; much like the Bolsheviks.

The Soviet Union was the only major power willing to treat the KMT as an equal. In 1923, the Sun-Joffe Manifesto solidified an alliance based on shared goals.

This "pariah" alliance lasted until 1927. After Sun Yat-sen died, Chiang Kai-shek launched the Shanghai Massacre, purging the communists and eventually pivoting the KMT toward the West to gain the very legitimacy Sun Yat-sen had been denied.
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>>18432061
>Marxist Realpolitik is really just aligning with anyone who would agree to.
Dialects
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First 12 minutes in link are a decent reenactment of the April 12th incident - guy with the gun is implied to be Chiang Kai Shek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm3D5PNmn9I

I had never heard before KMT was aligned with Russia or that KMT had a left wing faction before 1927.
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>>18432061
Did you know Fidel Castro declared three days of mourning in Cuba after the death of Francisco Franco? Now, that's an unexpected crossover

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