How's that strawman you're boxing? Holding up?

degeneracy is the primary motive to reject God, they weren't really thinking about theology rather something along the lines of "why can't I stick my dick in another guy's ass, this is so unfair" or "I hate working and I hate going to church, karl marx said I don't have to do either"

You are a devout Christian yes? Then bring Mount Olympus to my front door. You should be able to.

>>18432460
>faces the slightest challenge to his ego
>immediately begins thinking of gay sex

>>18432457
The evidence for God's existence is literally the entire world. But nothing can actually be said about God because God is perfectly simple.

>>18432457
Evidence for the existence of the Abrahamic God status: still missing

>>18432457
Give me a piece of god that I can put in a Petri dish and study with a microscope.

>>18432458
Okay, what would be evidence for God's existence?

>>18432491
>>18432494
Here: >>18432462

>>18432503
Yahweh isn't God. Unfortunately.

>>18432506
And the cope begins. Everything below this post is cope upon cope and seethe upon seethe. I'm driving home in 15 minutes. There better be a mountain there when I arrive.

>>18432457
I don't believe in God because I don't know what a god is

>>18432494
>Give me a piece of love that I can put in a Petri dish and study with a microscope.
lol
lmao even

>>18432516
Or perhaps
>Give me a piece of energy I can put in a petri dish and study

>>18432457
>There is no Evidence for God's Existence
There is evidence for virtually anything, I just don't think the evidence for god's existence is good.

>>18432516
"Love", the abstract concept, doesn't exist. But you can in fact study oxytocin and vasopressin in a lab, which are the neuropeptides which regulate social behavior, including what gets simplified as "love".

>>18432520
Energy is a number, it's a thing you calculate, it's not a "substance", it doesn't exist as more than a mathematical tool.

>>18432501
If God appeared in a flash of holy light, accompanied by his heavenly host, said "Hello I'm God, now watch this miracle," instantly healed all the kids in the children's hospital, and then flew back into heaven again in a column of holy flame, with all the angels swirling behind him, I would consider that evidence. Shouldn't be too much of an ask, considering he's omnipotent and all.

>>18432457
Not how it works. If you're making a case, you present whatever material you consider as evidence that supports your case. Then people will judge the validity of that evidence. It's not other people's problem to carefully define this before the case, and there isn't an exact whitelist in the first place

>>18432524
Energy is definitely a real thing. For example, after I fuck your whore mother for hours on end, I'm all out of energy after dumping countless loads into her loose cunt and need to rest for a few hours to get it back.

>>18432522
>"Love", the abstract concept, doesn't exist.
I guess you wouldnt know love

>>18432524
>Energy is a number, it's a thing you calculate, it's not a "substance", it doesn't exist as more than a mathematical tool.
A statement that can't be proven.

>>18432528
Also keep in mind God used to do this sort of thing all the time in the Bronze Age, so it's clearly not that much trouble.

>>18432530
>Energy is definitely a real thing. For example, after I fuck your whore mother for hours on end, I'm all out of energy after dumping countless loads into her loose cunt and need to rest for a few hours to get it back.
So this is the power of 2026 christian apologetics...

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>>18432457
JRR Tolkien does not appear in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
At no point does Frodo or Gandalf meet the author of their world.
This does not mean that Tolkien does not exist, and the Lord of the Rings world happened by pure chance. You can learn a lot about Tolkien from exploring the world he created

>>18432528
>Be satan
>Decide to convince the gullible people to worship you by pretending to be God and appearing as a great light in the heavens and doing miracles
>Said gullible people start worshiping you
See, Christians have the book of Revelation to warn them of such things.

>>18432537
Praise be to Allah (SWT)
>>18432541
And Muslims know not to worship a man who comes out of the sky saying he is Allah (SWT) because they were warned. Funny. How will you know when Jesus is finally here? When he affirms Catholicism? Rum Orthodox? Judaism? Baptists? Mormonism? The Prophet (PBUH) reminded us to focus only on the divine.

>>18432536
Yeah, and keep in mind that despite the miracles God did in the desert, the people still ended up worshiping a cow.

>>18432524
To calculate it you need the adequate technology, retard.

Do you think humans recognized radio waves before we had something to catch them?, do you think we could have built something that catches that frequency if we followed your dumbass way of thinking?


>Hurr durr i believe in science but dont even know how it works
piece of shit

Atheism is literally empowered ignorance

>>18432541
>No, see, actually, God can't do that because Satan is more powerful than God
You are so fucked, rodent.

>>18432555
Theism is a bit of a meme. Most contemporary philosophers are atheists.

>>18432555
God blinded them so that they could live like the cattle they are.

>>18432552
>To calculate it you need the adequate technology
Are you demented? That is entirely unrelated to the point that "energy" does not refer to a real substance.
>Do you think humans recognized radio waves before we had something to catch them?
Radio waves aren't a purely mathematical abstraction. They're photons.

>>18432457
Evidence is a thing which demonstrates or makes more probable the truth of a proposition. Considering the evidence, I say that god probably does not exist and that christianity is certainly false...

>>18432573
Energy is the signature of an incomplete existence. It is the measure of an object’s distance from its final coordinate in the universe. Until a particle settles into that one proper spot dictated by the path of least action, it remains excited. Therefore, energy isn't a property an object has; it is the degree to which an object has not yet fully arrived at its own reality, and therefore it is relational.

Got home. No mountain. Guess you don't have enough faith anons.

>>18432596
>Considering the evidence, that I didnt list. I say that god probably does not exist and that my strawman version of christianity is certainly false...
And using this post as evidence. I can say with confidence that this anon is certainly a midwit.

>>18432606
>the evidence, that I didnt list
Yeah it's funny that nobody actually wants to list this supposed evidence.

>>18432616
Everything that exists is evidence of God

>>18432619
Sunday school zinger.

>>18432619
>>18432616
>>18432457
There are two pieces of evidence, namely for the existence of god and for the reality of the covenant.

The first are proven through the miracles performed by the saints, the second are proven by the existence of the Protestants. If god didn't exist, there would be no miracles and if the covenant wasn't real, he would've wiped the Earth in order to free us of the Protestant heresy.

>>18432636
>miracles performed by the saints
Yes and Apollonius and Vespasian also did miracles (the same ones as Jesus even) and with eyewitnesses. Were they too divine?

>>18432636
>miracles
Hearsay
>protestants existing
Doesn’t even rise to the level of probable cause. It is just as likely if not more likely that Protestants existing is a product of there being no god as there being a benevolent one.
Anon’s case is dismissed for failure to state a claim upon which faith can be sought. It is so ordered.

>>18432457
Christians pretend not to understand things thus making discourse impossible

>>18432636
>The first are proven through the miracles performed by the saints [...] If god didn't exist, there would be no miracles
This is a textbook example of affirming he consequent. These debates are such a shitshow because most of the participants can't into basic logic.

>>18432546
>Praise be to Allah (SWT)
what does SWT stand for? Sex With Toddlers? kinda on the nose from you pedo cunts

>>18432541
>You are gullible if you are convinced by tangible actions
>You are smart if you believe random unproven claims
Cuckstrianity truly has brainwashed people beyond repair

Just hit us with whatever you think is the best evidence you got
see what happens

>nothing would be evidence of God
Yes. This is a problem with theism as a theory. It's not a fucking theory.
Theism does not make testable predications.


God got a superpower (omnipotence), that makes him able to explain anything. So you're never going to be able to have contrastive explanations.
God can explain any and all outcomes.

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Its more devastating that there's zero proof that jews were slaves in Egypt. It undermines the entire Old Testament.

>>18432747
What's most probable Jews being slaves in Egypt (yet there being no evidence for this, except OT) or man rising from the dead 2000 years ago?

>>18432732
theists can't make a falsification claim, while atheists can, it's shocking how simple it is once you learn how to think properly

>>18432636
The hellenic philosophers did a shitton of miracles at the same time though. They even changed the weather.

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>>18432457
And all the other Gods?

>>18432836
Psalms 82 The divine council of gods determining the flood and the fate of mankind was copied from the Enuma Elish.

>>18432836
Psalms 82 The divine council of gods determining the flood and the fate of mankind was copied from the Enuma Elish.

>>18432867
Psalm 82 talks about a flood?

Lol

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>>18432457
atheists are stupid OP, that's why they believe what they do (nonsense).

>well yeah I have no proof of a diety (much less my specific diety)
>but uuuuhhhh you can't uh prove he doesn't exist or some shit
so why are you insisting on something being real, along with insisting said thing shoudl shape our lives, if you can't even give a plausible explanation for it not existing

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>>18432457
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!"
You have to prove to me that my God doesn't exist, chrisitan.

>>18432541
If Satan exists and can trick people into thinking that he is God or send by God it could mean that your entire religion could also be just a product of Satan. Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith and all other religious figure could have just been Satan, a person tricked by Satan or an agent of Satan if you presuppose that Satan exists and that he can trick people into a religion.

"Okay, what would be evidence for the existence of shy invisible fairies?"

>>18432457
>what would be evidence for God's existence?
That'll be 95 measurements, three theories, 700 experiments, and 17 mathematical formulae + tax + tip, please. Also a supermajority of living PHD scientists have to answer a poll to the effect that they accept all that.

>>18432522
Even under strict physicalism, love isn’t an abstract concept in the same way that mathematical concepts or logical categories are. Feelings akin to love are correlated with vasopressin, oxytocin, and any number of other neurotransmitters and hormones. But love is also social behaviour, mediated by social relations, existing within social class structure. A good chunk of what you call love isn’t to be found in brain chemicals or brain states, but in the ways we express ourselves socially. You can’t separate nature, nurture and environment/society, then retain only the former “biochemical nature of love” because it sounds more “scientific” to you. You mention social behaviour, but without grounding love in society there is no point in talking about neurotransmitters that perform a myriad of other functions in the body (such as regulating blood pressure and kidney metabolism which is the primary function of vasopressin).

Love must always be placed in historical, social and neurological bases for the full physicalist picture, otherwise you are talking about chemicals and not love.

>>18432753
Since we have the Shroud of Turin, the latter. Turns out the entire Bible was created just to give the resurrection of Jesus meaning.

>>18432457
Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. Its a TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITION.
Both atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the call.
Both positions are still in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, which empirically and scientifically prove creationism

>>18432501
According to the Elijah Test in 1 Kings 18:20-40 of the bible, the people who worship the true god should be able to put out their offering of blessed bull meat on a piece of wood and two seahs (about 14.6 liters) of seed in the trench of an altar made of twelve stones and call on the one true god of abraham to instantly incinerate it through spontaneous combustion without any fire actually being put to it and any people who claim to believe in god, but can not accomplish that simple task should be put to death for worshiping a false Baal tier god.

>>18432534
If you actually knew anything about mathematical proofs and ever passed a basic physics course to understand derivative interaction of physical units, you would know how to measure energy and how to derive energy from the positional differentials of massive bodies over time since energy is just made up of the physical units kg*m^2/s^2 and E=mc^2.

>>18432555
Theists have to project their insecurity about ignorance since their god is always hiding in the gaps and actively exploiting human ignorance.

>>18432599
>Energy is the signature of an incomplete existence
No, energy is a measure of the work of a mass which is just the mass's power across time also known as the force of the mass over a distance where force is the acceleration of a mass.

>>18433164
Imagine using all those words to say exactly the same thing.

>>18432606
>the evidence, that I didnt list
You don't matter in defining christian lore, it is publicly available, you didn't didn't invent christianity and you are not the gatekeeper of its canon, so your opinion is not necessary.

>>18432457
Evidence of prayers working, evidence of people being miraculously healed, evidence of the non-trivial cosmology in the holy books. All of that would count.

>>18433165
Its less than 20 words if you ignore all the words less than three letters which is not that many words at all and its definitely not saying the same thing at all since most of the words I used are presenting physical quantities with measureable units like time, distance, mass, acceleration, force, work, and energy and the words you used are presenting your own impotence and ignorance about physical quantities like time, distance, mass and how they interact to yield derivative physical quantities like acceleration, force, work, and energy.

>>18433174
All of these words and you're still missing the point. A cartographer who fell in love with the map rather than the territory.

>>18433171
>All of that would count.
Nope, the other false gods also did things like and the bible clearly showed that the only way to test who is invoking the one true god to the degree that capital punishment implications for failure could be enforced was >>18433147.

>>18433128
>1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics
No, those only apply to closed systems, so wouldn't apply to a dynamic totality.

>which empirically and scientifically prove creationism
Empiricism is not proof, it is evidence, since the senses are flawed.
Feel free to present the scientific framework you are insinuating definitely proves agentic creationism instead of spontaneous expansion.

>>18433177
All of this woo and you can't make a real point, someone trying to defend a territory you don't even know how to map out.

>>18433178
>the other false gods also did things like
I don't care. I'm talking about evidence for anything supernatural. Not just the bible.

>>18433185
I don't care, this thread is about proof of god's existence not whatever goalpost you are trying to move it to. God of the bible gave a very clear test >>18433147 to prove his existence and prove you are worshiping the one true god instead of one of the many false gods of the fallen world of man.

>>18433186
Fuck off. This thread is about atheism and evidence, not some jewish bs.

>>18433188
How is that not exactly an evidence based experiment and why would you be afraid of it as an atheist who isn't actually making any claim that could be related to a false god, so wouldn't risk capital punishment to do it?

>>18433201
Okay, if the worshippers of the abrahamic god do that feat you described, it would count as evidence for the abrahamic god. Now please show me the evidence of it being done.

>>18432747
That the land taking didn't happen seems worse as it nullifies the Russian and Polish claim to Israel even on the political level.

>>18432457
Because they aren't interested in debate.
They simply wish to attack Christianity so as to erode the moral basis upon which the West stands.
Athiesm is a vile cult created by the Talmudists, for a specific purpose.

>>18432460
Not quite, the destruction of Christianity is mainly pushed to make way for usury.

>>18433211
It was originally documented in 1 Kings 18:20-40 as I said, but yes it should be repeatable so anyone who claims to believe in god should be forced to do it or suffer the consequences according to the bible.
>>18433147

>>18432457
The whole nature around them is evidence, but they cannot reason, so why even bother wasting your time/life with them.

Also it is their goal to make you was your life/time with them. If you choose to debate them, they will weaken your faith. That's what they're planning to do.

>>18433299
No, observable nature and the lack of flying jews in space proves that the world was not created and is not managed in the manner genesis claims it was.

>>18433299
Unless you subscribe to different equally retarded creation myths like The Rainbow Serpent, then nature all around is evidence that The Rainbow Serpent exists.

>>18432457
Slave religion for brown desert folk btw

>>18432870
>a magic jew in the sky clapped his hands and made the earth and then the sky and then he made a little warhammer miniature out of clay and made it alive by breathing on it then he made a woman out of the miniatures rib instead of making her out of clay and then a snake told her to eat an apple and then God got mad with the miniatures and threw them out of his magic garden
>skip ahead skip ahead skip ahead and then the bog fish ate Jonah and he swam around in its belly for days and days

>>18432619
Including pain and death? Nice try demiurge

>>18433299
Thank you for convincing me in the existence of the divine with your eloquent arguments. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to present an offering to Zeus.

Where's that faggot who's been spamming
>le fedora
images? Too scared to post itt?

>>18432458
>Just heard the term "strawman" for the fist time.

>>18432528
Oh, like the Revelation at Mount Sinai? breh

>>18433305
>the world was not created
lol. Things don't make themselves, niggy.

>>18433333
>This totally real event happened. Yes God showed himself to his followers, just read the Bible stupid. No I won't explain why he can't show himself today, when cameras exist.

>>18433333
>Things don't make themselves
Nice digits and good job proving an immortal god can't possibly exist, but you should learn to read an entire sentence before commenting because I didn't say the world created itself, I said its observable existence is inconsistent with the manner in which genesis claims it was created.

>>18433333
>My evidence? It says in the holy book that this happened, so it happened.
Why are religious people so retarded?

"Okay, what would be evidence for the existence of shy invisible fairies?"

>>18433309
No you forgot the part where he did make the woman out of clay at the same time as the man, but then she wasn't there so he had to make another one.

>>18432460
Not quite, the destruction of Christianity is mainly pushed to make way for usury
>>18432636
>for the existence of god
The universe proves that pretty well.
It's called causality.

>>18433308
That slave religion conquered most of the world.
While an athiest Europe is slowly dying.

>>18433358
Why did the religion, if it was so true and great, get replaced by atheism?

>>18433350
Basic Tinkerbell/Peter Pan proof, if you believe you have fairy magic that allows you to fly and start to fly as a result of said belief, then you have successfully proven the existence of fairy magic and since fairy magic comes from fairies you have generated evidence for the existence of fairies and can use your belief to make them appear visible to you.

>>18433358
>the world was enslaved and its a good thing
Dying as in experiencing exponential growth and higher standard of living and self reported happiness than any time in history?

>>18433371
They are SHY and invisible, so you would never catch them. This is true by definition.
If you think you've caught one of them, it must be something else.

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>>18433368
People choose to abandon it due to jew takeover of the financial system.
You cannot reap the benefits of a religion you chose to abandon.
>>18433379
>>the world was enslaved and its a good thing
To God, yes.
The great expansion of European empires was a good thing.
The world is slowly dying, now that organised jewry took over the financial system.

>>18433379
>Dying as in experiencing exponential growth and higher standard of living
Most people can't afford a house.
> and self reported happiness than any time in history?
LOL!
As if self reported happiness was ever accurately measured throughout history.
Anyhow the VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise.

>>18433383
>People choose to abandon it due to jew takeover of the financial system.
So, it's not just atheism but judaism is superior to your religion?

>>18433383
>>18433384
Move to Africa, Christian.

>>18433380
Nothing in that post said anyone had to catch anything.

>>18433384
>Most people can't afford a house.
Most people under 30?
>As if self reported happiness was ever accurately measured throughout history.
It can't really be inaccurate you just record what they say.
>VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise.
A good chuck of the elder population used to routinely kill themselves every winter just so the family wouldn't starve.

I have definitive proof of Gods existence

>>18433407
Is it in the room with your right now?

>>18433407
How many bloody infant penises and dismembered foreskins are involved?

>>18433400
Only way to get the fairy dust

>>18433426
The post also didn't mention anything about dust, you hallucinating LLM.

>>18433383
>The great expansion of European empires was a good thing.
Which ones, exactly? Because there were Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and secular ones.

>>18433384
>the VAST increase in suicide rates, depression proves otherwise
What "VAST" increase? If you actually look at the countries with the highest rates of suicide and depression, first you notice that they're not even all that correlated (many countries with high suicide rates don't have high depression rates), second you notice that it's mostly poor shitholes where life sucks ass.

>>18433387
>So, it's not just atheism but judaism is superior to your religion?
The parasite cannot by definition be superior to its host.
And Athiesm is simply a construct of talmudism, it is used as a vehicle by which to cause the abandonment of the moral principles that lead to a functional society.
>>18433389
Move to occupied Palestine, jew.

>>18433457
European expansionism happened primarly at times in which European populations were deeply Christian.

>>18433430
You need dust to fly, retard

>>18433460
Not really, it happens in "wealthy" countries as well.
People are miserable in this judaised society, where nobody can afford a house.

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>>18433404
>Most people under 30?
Nope just most people.
> It can't really be inaccurate you just record what they say.
I do not trust jew captured institutions to report anything accurately.
Anyhow, it's irrelevant as data regarding self reported happiness does not exist through a long enough period of time, as such no point of comparison exists.
> A good chuck of the elder population used to routinely kill themselves every winter just so the family wouldn't starve.
Cool story, avi.
Anyhow, it just shows the willingness to self sacrifice was strong back than.

>>18433464
>ummmm no I won't move to these Christian countries because ummmm you see they're actually total shitholes haha
You lost.

>>18433514
None of them are Christian, avi.
They have no a ban on usury, porn or jews.

>>18433479
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

There's 11 shitholes at the top before you finally get to a developed one in South Korea.

Just give your evidence, man. We can pick apart whether it's valid or not after you give it. Why are you wasting everyone's time like this?

>>18433601
>They have no a ban on usury, porn or jews.
Name a country that did have all those bans and the timeframe during which it had them. Let's see how good did the plebs have it there.

>>18433601
>if your country isn't a literal medieval theocracy then it's not really Christian
Lmao, please stop embarrassing yourself retards.

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>>18432513
>I don't believe in 1 because I don't know what 1 is
How can you claim you don't know something when you use the same something to deny its existence?

>>18433384
The average street sweeper today has a higher quality of life than ancient and medieval emperors. Interesting how all those technological innovations happened when Europe became more secular and stopped believing in the divine right of kings that retarded its development. Post enlightenment Europe and America achieved in a few hundred years what the rest of the world couldn't in thousands of years of recorded history, made the life of the average person decent.

>>18433653
retard

>>18432457
video evidence
post video of god

>>18433653
How can you believe something exists when you don't know what it is?

>>18433706
I don't know what airplanes are, except very roughly people get on - they fly - people get off
I still believe in airplanes

>>18433337
I'm not appealing the the bible as my proof for the Sinai Event.

>>18433341
>its observable existence is inconsistent with the manner in which genesis claims it was created.
What makes you say that?

>>18433343
see above

>>18433711
>I don't know what airplanes are, except...
So you do know what airplanes are.

>>18433747
It's the same for God
Some kind of superpowered ghost that caused the universe

>>18433754
Then he can say he doesn't believe in that just like you could say you don't believe in airplanes.

>>18432541
If Satan does something and impersonates God to mock him, but it causes people to still worship God genuinely, isn't that just part of God's plan?

>>18433333
>Christian receives actual argumentation that's not the strawmen they were taught at Prager U
>immediately lashes out with racism

sasuga

>>18433181
Wrong, 2nd law applies to all systems
Scientific proofs are demonstrated empirically
Evidence is part of data analysis you need to first conduct result analysis for that

>>18433912
>Wrong, 2nd law applies to all systems
proof?

>energy cannot be created or destroyed
>God, if he real, created energy
therfor, God not real

don't mind me, setlling the theism/attheism debate onc

>>18433912
>applies to all systems
Except God

>>18432457
Its like they're possessed or something

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>>18433974
Can't be created nor destroyed in the state of entropy
Entropy had a beginning, that means God created entropy
>>18433972

>>18434083
Is the only solution really a magical flying rebbe? Surely some sort of over-world that operates on different laws would also work.