so i don't need to believe in jesus or allah or any of that silly theological tl;dr i just have to believe there's some sort of benevolent supreme being?

>>18433828
What is your point?

>>18433838
Probably the case. If you believe in a creator it's easier to see that everything follows equations and shit.
>>18433841
Or maybe Atheists are just soulless retards.

>>18433843
>Or maybe Atheists are just soulless retards.
Why?

>>18433843
praise vishnu saar

>>18433844
Because they can't advance societies.

>>18433847
>Because they can't advance societies.
What makes you say that?

>>18433848
They largely didn't contribute to philosophy and science historically.

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>>18433848
They’re pretty good at destroying them though.

>>18433849
Historically they didn't exist in any meaningful numbers, so how were they supposed to?
>>18433852
How?

>>18433854
They’re all degenerates and their religion is degenerate so they’re like a disease destroying their host nation through degeneracy.

>>18433856
>They’re all degenerates
Proof?
>their religion is degenerate
By definition they don't have a religion.

>>18433854
My team is better than your team is the point.

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>>18433861
>they don't have a religion.
False, every man has a religion, the atheists are highly religious and worship many gods like the Science, the LGBT, Woman etc etc. and consume all their time in the adoration of idols. It’s not whether to have a religion, but which

>>18433865
Are you insecure about not having accomplishments of your own or why do you feel this strong need to attach yourself to the accomplishments of greater men based on some arbitrary connection? What's your contribution to this team besides posting on 4chan? Are you a Doctor of Philosophy?
>>18433866
No, that's your headcanon and contrary to the definition of the word.

tl;dr
Atheists are by average more vaccinated, emotionally stunted, uncreative and subhuman.

>>18433874
>why do you feel this strong need to attach yourself to the accomplishments of greater men based on some arbitrary connection?
I don't. It's just the fact that I am a Theist and a male. These are the groups that achieve stuff.
>What's your contribution to this team besides posting on 4chan?
I don't need to contribute to make us better than you. We already are better.

If you couldn't achieve stuff because your numbers were so small you should have converted people or make kids and indoctrinate them or something. IDK get creative, mr. Scienceman.

>>18433885
>I don't. It's just the fact that I am a Theist and a male. These are the groups that achieve stuff.
Why is this important and if it isn't then why did you point it out and use it as a criteria for success?
>I don't need to contribute to make us better than you. We already are better.
So being part of the group does not in fact make you better personally?
>If you couldn't achieve stuff because your numbers were so small you should have converted people or make kids and indoctrinate them or something. IDK get creative, mr. Scienceman.
We don't need to indoctrinate kids, a significant amount of people in developed nations tend to stop believing in religion when they're allowed to question it and when secular reasoning can provide better questions and material conditions.

>>18433874
>No, that's your headcanon and contrary to the definition of the word.
That’s reality and fits the word perfectly. If we define an atheist as a person who really believes in his heart there is no God and is not religious at all then atheists do not exist.

>>18433901
Plenty of them exist and it upsets you a lot for some reason.

>>18433899
>Why is this important
Because we make progress. You make shitty excuses.
>So being part of the group does not in fact make you better personally?
I'm on the team. Whether you like it or not we are (collectively) better even if I'm an underachiever or whatever. You are clearly trying to make this personal as a strawman.
>We don't need to indoctrinate kids, a significant amount of people in developed nations tend to stop believing in religion when they're allowed to question it and when secular reasoning can provide better questions and material conditions.
It doesn't matter what Atheism stems from. The point is you (collectively) sucked throughout history and this history is unchangeable now.

>>18433908
>Because we make progress. You make shitty excuses.
What progress?
>I'm on the team. Whether you like it or not we are (collectively) better even if I'm an underachiever or whatever. You are clearly trying to make this personal as a strawman.
You take pride in their accomplishments despite not sharing any of the attributes that resulted in their accomplishments. Galileo and I both drank water and as a right-handed person I share that trait with the vast majority of great thinkers and inventors. Do I also get a medal now, despite not inventing something revolutionary myself?
>It doesn't matter what Atheism stems from. The point is you (collectively) sucked throughout history and this history is unchangeable now.
Americans collectively sucked ass throughout history up until relatively recently, then they started overperforming. What's your point?

>>18433828
>Bible-thumping Americans
Retarded Bible-thumpers don't go to MIT and get jobs at NASA

>>18433918
>What progress?
Philosophical and scientific.
>You take pride in their accomplishments
No. Just noticing patterns between teams.
>Galileo and I both drank water
You have to agree it's more important to identity of a person what he believes than whether he has physiological functions
>What's your point?
My point is science and philosophy is an achievement of Theists. Undeniable and you can't turn back the clock.

>>18433923
Possibly. Still the Americans were clearly more religious both at NASA and as a civilization than the USSR.

>>18433926
>Philosophical and scientific.
Why do you use these as metrics for success? Human knowledge and scientific advancements sound like very secular values.
>No. Just noticing patterns between teams.
For what purpose? You clearly seem to feel some sense of superiority for belonging to one team.
>You have to agree it's more important to identity of a person what he believes than whether he has physiological functions
You previously brought up being male as a qualifier for belonging to the 'best' team.
>My point is science and philosophy is an achievement of Theists. Undeniable and you can't turn back the clock.
Various groups have contributed to various fields at different points in time. Do you think diehard religious people are the top researchers in the 21st century?
>>18433931
Hindus that literally eat cow shit and smear it over their bodies are clearly more religious than the average western person, which do you think is superior?

uh no sir. freemasons who filmed "the moon landing" in nevada, who also believe man is god, beat atheists to "the moon" lol hahahah

>>18433954
>Why do you use these as metrics for success?
Do you legitimately not believe scientific development is a measure of success?
>You clearly seem to feel some sense of superiority for belonging to one team.
Strawman.
>You previously brought up being male as a qualifier for belonging to the 'best' team.
Yes. Females tend to not achieve great things as a collective.
>Various groups have contributed to various fields at different points in time.
Yes but Theists overwhelmingly contributed to science. Some small variation on this trend is overblown and largely misrepresented.
>Hindus that literally eat cow shit and smear it over their bodies are clearly more religious than the average western person, which do you think is superior?
See? You scored a point against my team. Well done. Not gonna win you the competitive match. But at least you understand what I mean.

>>18433967
>Do you legitimately not believe scientific development is a measure of success?
Of course I do. I'm not religious, I have the luxury of thinking scientific development is more important than say, the worship of god(s).
>Yes. Females tend to not achieve great things as a collective.
Then neither do left-handed people. Women as a group have also historically been gatekept out of academic circles and have thus not had the same opportunity to contribute to scientific advancement. Previously only rich men had the luxury or pursuing higher learning and we've seen tremendous leaps since we've improved social mobility and provided education to the lower and middle classes, allowing us to draw talent from there, and likewise despite women not having contributed a lot historically (for understandable reasons) neither have the people who either currently or whos family previously belonged to lower classes, but that doesn't mean they don't contribute now or have contributed recently when they had the opportunity to do so.
>Yes but Theists overwhelmingly contributed to science. Some small variation on this trend is overblown and largely misrepresented.
For obvious historical reasons. Don't ignore the second sentence, do you think bible-thumpers, jihadists and hindus contribute more to research in the 21st century compared to secular people?
>See? You scored a point against my team. Well done. Not gonna win you the competitive match. But at least you understand what I mean.
You have more in common with these people than you do with Henry Ford, Gauss or Galileo. I'm off to bed now so this will be my last post.

>>18433981
Women, Atheists and you individually are losers who can't achieve things due to shitty excuses and run from the debate.

>>18433906
Not even one.

>>18433828
Ancient philosophy is worthless.
We, as a secular scientific, community know so much more now that would put Newton to shame.
The rockets were built by atheists mostly.
Top scientists these days are all atheists.

>>18434016
>Ancient philosophy is worthless.

Epicurus basically got everything right.
>the Divine punishment isn't real
>you should try to get as much pleasure as you can so long as it's not harmful to you
>death isn't scary because once you're dead you don't even know it

>>18434095
Funny how the atheist guy is the one who got it all right

>>18434102
Well he did claim gods exist. Probably so that nobody would give him trouble though.

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>>18433854
>How?
do you really have to ask?

>>18434116
Any non-poltard examples?