the only real ukrainians are in the far western part of the state, that is, ruthenians who were under the polish yoke for centuries. everyone else is just a russian. simple as.

>>18434079
no

>>18434107
Basically this
But the current culture is also totally different. It's like if you're comparing 1940s germans to 1940s german-americans. Same ethnicitiy, massively different culture.

>>18434079
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yes, but with a long explanation

>>18434079
No. Kiev is the historic capital of the Rus Empire.

>>18434212
True. Muscovites are Mongoloids and should rename their grand duchy or whatever to "West Mongo".
Kiev deserves to be the capital of actual Russia and to reassert what borders it likes

>>18434079
According to vatnigs, no, however Ukrainians are subhuman hohol pigs despite that. Really makes you think, no?

>>18434079
No, neither are Poles

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>>18434218
but the mongolians never interbred with conqured nations, if that were the case then Iran and Turkey would also be mongoloids
also idk if you notice, but Ukraine is in there too :/

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To answer your question:
Are Finns and Estonians actually different?
Yes
I find it funny how russian archaeological news are often just plain wewuzzing.
>Uralic settlement
>This must is proof of SLAVIC SUPREMACY

>>18434298
It was a Turkic empire too (including Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria).

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>>18434079
> Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин: "Иcтopия eщё нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa"

>"Укpaинa пpизнaeтcя нaибoлee yгpoжaeмoю чacтью Poccии в cмыcлe oтдeлeния и зaвoeвaния. Укpaинcкий ceпapaтизм ecть явлeниe иcкyccтвeннoe, лишeннoe peaльных ocнoвaний. Oн вoзник из чecтoлюбия вoжaкoв и мeждyнapoднoй зaвoeвaтeльнoй интpиги.

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> Oтдeлившиcь, этo гocyдapcтвo пpeдaeт caмo ceбя нa зaвoeвaниe и paзгpaблeниe инocтpaнцaм. Maлopoccия и Beликopoccия cвязaны вoeдинo вepoй, плeмeнeм, иcтopичecкoй cyдьбoй, гeoгpaфичecким пoлoжeниeм, хoзяйcтвoм, кyльтypoй и пoлитикoй. Инocтpaнцы, пoдгoтoвляющиe pacчлeнeниe, дoлжны пoмнить, чтo oни oбъявляют этим вceй Poccии вeкoвyю бopьбy. He бyдeт миpa и хoзяйcтвeннoгo pacцвeтa нa вocтoкe пpи тaкoм pacчлeнeнии. Poccия пpeвpaтитcя в иcтoчник гpaждaнcких и мeждyнapoдных вoйн нa вeкa. Pacчлeняющaя дepжaвa cтaнeт нeнaвиcтнeйшим из вpaгoв нaциoнaльнoй Poccии. B бopьбe c нeю бyдyт пyщeны в хoд вce coюзы и вcякиe cpeдcтвa... Haциoнaльнaя Poccия нe ищeт ничьeй пoгибeли, нo oнa cyмeeт oтвeтить cвoeвpeмeннo нa вcякyю пoпыткy pacчлeнeния и бyдeт бopoтьcя дo кoнцa. Bcякoй дepжaвe выгoднeй имeть Poccию дpyгoм, a нe вpaгoм. Иcтopия eщe нe cкaзaлa cвoeгo пocлeднeгo cлoвa".

>Ивaн Aлeкcaндpoвич Ильин. «Ocнoвы бopьбы зa нaциoнaльнyю Poccию».1938.

>>18434079
>are Russian and Ukrainians actually different?
Yes, for a given value of "Ukrainian". "Russians" and "Ukrainians" are both multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies but a good portion of what is currently Ukraine is populated with ethnic and cultural Russians because proximity to Russian lands led to typical migrations and (more importantly) because Stalin and Beria had a habit of ethnically cleansing "problematic" populations. The best known case is the Crimean Tatars, who are actually a Turkic people; a significant chunk of them (though half as many fought for the red army lmao) became collaborators with and partisans for the Germans during WWII so Stalin had all of them deported to various places around the USSR and then shipped in Russians to replace them.

Ukraine is a bit of a cultural hodgepodge, really. Their language and predominant culture is east slavic but in their west there's significant influence from places like Hungary, Poland, Romania, etc. and in their south there's some turkic influence.

>>18434079
Are Portuguese and Spaniards actually different?

Qe all know your have a politically loaded question, so yes, their difference is enough to justify ukrainians killing all russian interlopers, yes, both sides have jews, no I don't care about neutrality, let us not pretend this is anything but what civilization gets control over the region, Russia has proven to be a discount version of the West so they deaerve nothing.

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>>18434429
>> their difference is enough to justify ukrainians killing all russian interlopers, yes,

Go to 4 minutes in video
Pic related- Ukrops Nazis in 2014 running over anti-Euromaidan protesters in Donetsk.
Note: freedom of assembly and right to protest are rights in the so called “free world” that Bidenites cherish so much.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5cA9cGUGr00

>>18434445
isn't that the guy who got raped and murdered by russoids he so brazenly defended from evil capitalism?

>>18434390
They aren't, as far as hitory goes, they were exactly the same and britain won a war and divided spain on imaginary lines creating a fake nation and culture for portugal.

Spain was never strong enough to unify with portugal ever again, and because of that portugal and its culture cemented and became a "different" people despite looking exactly the same as any spaniard when standing next to each other.

>>18434459
He got raped and killed by criminals in a penalty battalion which was unfortunate though it has no bearing on the Russian government. Criminals exist inside both the USA and Ukraine too but I won't expect you to give up your devotion to Kiev because of that.

Your "Euromaidan hero" was literally a guy who burned the trade building in Odessa with all the people inside it.

>>18434079
Russians aee northern europeans
ukrainians are turkic mongoloids
They have nothing in common besides language (Russians made ukrainians speak it)

>>18434462
>which was unfortunate
no it wasn't, russian men are known to rape one another in their leisure time - the country's the capital of aids for a reason
i've no clue who my 'euromaidan hero' is but i know for a fact that trade building in odessa was set on fire by retarded russians who barricaded in it and stated throwing molotovs
>>18434466
russians aren't europeans, there is nothing european about russians

>>18434466
it's the other way around - ukrainians are offshoot of ruthenians
ruthenians conquest volga basin and forced their language onto natives (voga finns and khazars)
in XIII century mongols conquest volga basin and under their rules volga finns and khazars racemixed into muscovites
in XVI century muscovites renamed themselves to russians

>>18434471
well except for the fact that they live in Europe :v

>>18434477
depends on your perception of border of europe
besides there's more to being european than just living inside borders of europe

>>18434471

European people don't exist. It is a fiction: An artificial entity with a manufactured story to save the face of the old old empires on western Eurasia from the embarrassment of losing their colonies and falling to American-Soviet dominion.

>>18434461
That makes no sense, Portugal is older than Spain by centuries and formed long before the brits had anything to do with anything in the peninsula

>>18434481
and here I thought it was the Ural mountains
youre so intelligent dear anon, now tell me, is Albania part of Europe? Or Greece?

>>18434490
and yet people in europe are racially and civilizationally distinct from people of asia
different faces, different lives, different societies, different architecture

>>18434556
ironically border on ural was only proposed in XIII century to allow to count a certain asiatic empire into europe
before it the border was agreed on volga and don

and by XIII century i mean XVIII century

The western portion of Ukraine has historically been part of Russia at various points in history, though its origins and its culture are both independent of, and actually older than Russia. The western part of Ukraine was settled by the same people who settled Novgorod and Muscovy (the core of what would later become the Russian Empire), the Rus peoples (hence: Russia). The Rus who settled in Kiev became known as the Kievan Rus and were at one time the most powerful of the Eastern Slavs.

The eastern part of Ukraine, however, has always been inhabited by various horse peoples from the Pontic Steppe, who migrated in over the centuries. The ones who most inform the modern Ukrainian identity, however are the Cossacks, who ranged all along the Russian border in central Asia, but eventually settled in and around Crimea. Cossacks were never truly seen as Russians even when Ukraine was wholly within the Russian Empire, they lived on the empire's frontiers and were employed as light cavalry by the Russian military to good effect, but were virtually autonomous in how they lived on the frontier.

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>>18434607
uhuh
totally excludes Russia

>>18434079
Racially the same, culturally different. It's similar to how we don't call Australians, Canadians, Americans, and New Zealanders 'English'

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>>18434647
doesn't it?

>>18434079
There are nearly two million dead Russians And Ukrainians and that, among other things, attests to them being different enough they'll kill each other over it. So yeah, I would say they are distinct.

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>>18434079
Russians are mix of slavs, finns and mongols
ukrainians are mix of slavs, jews and tatars

>>18434079
Russia is an offshoot of Ukrainian culture, albeit far more racemixed

>>18435013
True, but Ukranian culture is just a racemixed offshoot of Swedish (viking) culture

>>18434079
Slightly

>>18434079
Imagine if the city of Danzig conquered Poland and joined populations with the slavs there and then claimed Germany has always been a part of Danzig and Berlin now belongs under the rule of Warsaw.

Different enough to be killing each other.

>>18434511
no it's not lul
portugal is just a split off of galicia
asturias, the root of the spanish crown, preceeds portugal by hundreds of years

>>18434935

Ha! If you know anything story, you know the most brutal wars are between siblings. They know each other intimately, act very similarly, think similarly, are virtually the same people, but will murder each other about the proper way to do the cross.

>>18435047

The more two people have in common, the more they will fight over what they don't. When two people are "virtually the same," they have to fight harder to establish a unique identity. If you are different from me, I can ignore you. If you are almost me, you are a threat to my individuality.

Siblings (and "cousin" nations) know exactly where the emotional armor is thinnest. They don't just fight; they deconstruct each other.

It is common for groups with 95% identical theology slaughtered each other over the remaining 5%, such as whether to use leavened bread or how many fingers to use when making the sign of the cross.

>>18435082
true, that's why negro is the natural ally of white in the struggle against white