>>18511210
All 3 men look very similar if you ignore pigmentation, which varies between all ethnic groups anyway.

>>18511210
If your model of race separates Brits from Greeks then you must have at least 100 different races

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>>18511210
It's a tragedy that Germanic hordes invaded Britain and turned the beautiful Roman Briton inhabitans into whatever that missing link thing on the bottom is. Luckily it wasn't a wholesale replacement and you can still see remnants of the original beautiful romano-britons here and there

show us on the genetic pivot table where the britishers touched you, saar

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>>18511210
>shockingly brown
stop lying poop jeet

>>18511224
Sure, at different levels of specificity

>>18511210
>shockingly brown
Do you have any evidence of this?
The reality is that Early European Farmers from Anatolia made it up to the UK, to Germany, to Norway.
These are the people the Southern Europeans mostly originate from. The Sardinians and Maltese even today are almost exclusivly Neolithic Farmer stock. 70-90%.
Later, Western Steppe Herders, migrated into Northern Europe. Germany, also the UK. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, also Russia and the baltic states.
The highest proportions of genes from these people are in Norway, Scotland, Latvia, Estonia.
So, yes there is a graduation in genetic makeup from north to south.
Hardly news.

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>>18511339
>The reality is that Early European Farmers from Anatolia made it up to the UK, to Germany, to Norway

Turks has more ANF than any Nord will ever have.

>>18511210
only /pol/-tards think this

>>18511253
drawings vs genetic studies

>>18511438
Yes. The chart above shows modern Greek and Italian DNA. But of course that is after decades of turkish occupation and rape.

The ancient greeks would have been slightly less swarthy.

>>18511759
We have plenty ancient Greek and Italian genomes. They weren't more northern than modern ones. Turkish occupation didn't have much of an impact on these regions. The biggest impact was caused by Anatolians migrating there in Hellenistic and Imperial periods and by Slavs.

>>18511779
since the beginning of civilization, dark skinned people were harvested from the deep southlands of Hades to be brought north as slaves, their bones which you have tested demonstrate this fact alone

>>18511864
Again, genetic data vs ramblings

>>18511872
I explained your genetic data in the historical context in which it occurs.

>>18511877
You didn't explain anything, we have genetic data from all social strata

>>18511882
then how come you are insisting greeks were black and brown like niggers and jeets? thats obviously retarded and you are not convincing anyone here with what is obviously bullshit

>>18511884
No one ever claimed they were black. They were brownish like Mediterraneans. It's how they depict themselves in their art.
>>18511343
Is this bait? All those Turks are European Turks except Trabzon Turks who seem to have the least Turkish genes and generally resemble most closely local Greeks and Byzantine Anatolians.

>>18511886
brown skinned people are not greek, jeets are not greek, mexicans are not greek, and your spam is tiresome because you are too dumb to be original or creative

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>>18511886
You are debating with the resident schizo. A mentally ill amerishart who believes in "Christian Identity" and spams the same shit about demons in every thread. There's no point arguing with someone who belongs in an insane asylum

>>18511907
>you're a schizo if you think Helen of Troy wasn't a jeet/mexican/black
Nice try rabbi

>>18511932
Helen of Troy was more like a Belarusian Jew than any Scandinavian.

>>18512022
>Belarusian Jew
oddly specific

>>18511253
lmao you d call those jews in real life with those noses. They look zero percent white

>>18512028
>expects /pol/tards to be principled and consistent

>>18512026
I'm referring to Shapiro.

PELASGIANS were swarthoids. The actual Greeks who came from hyperborea were blonde Aryan Nordics. Cope swarthoids :)

>>18512038
why didn't plato remember his ancestors were from the steppe? Cope, nigge4

>>18512039
Being created by the Olympian gods sounds more plausible than coming from barbaria.

>>18512039
wasn't plato an arab saudi-yemenite slave that came to greece with a ship?

>>18512044
ma ngul a mamt

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>>18512038
Nah, Greek statues don't look like a bunch of nordic mongoloids at all

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>>18512038
Why do nordoids want to desperately be something they are not? Is it the self-hate at your vaguely asiatic features? Imagine if a Greek started wewuzzing being vikangz, that's how pathetic you lot look

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This is a Sicilian man. The man in the first photo is also morphologically European.

>>18512156
Why do brown skinned foreigners continue to insist they were greeks, romans, etc? Its all so tiresome and your attempted theft of white history is retarded.

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>>18511759
>The ancient greeks would have been slightly less swarthy.
no

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>>18512418
Yeah what's funny is that modern Greeks are more northern shifted genetically than the ancient Greeks because of slavic admixture, and they call modern Greeks ''brown'' all the time; imagine if they actually met ancient Greeks who were even browner. Those delusional colorist retards live in la la land

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>>18512586
>>18512418
modern greeks are brown shifted because of thousands of years of importing non white slaves

>>18511907
He's been on here for a very long time arguing Southern Europeans are negroid mongrels, probably for almost a decade by now. He was a neopagan atheist who thought Christianity was Jewish and only became CI in the past few years because he became convinced by /pol/ that the Germanic people are the Israelites of the Bible. Obviously he was always a disturbed man posting his hate against Meds every day on 4chan for so many years but he finally found a religion that suited his insane mind.

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>>18512595
>Southern Europeans are negroid mongrels
I say that brown skinned people are not european, because they aren't. I understand that runs contrary to your agenda, the truth does, but that is your problem.

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>>18512586
The people depicted in Minoan wall paintings clearly have European features. The brown coloration may be due to reasons other than actual skin tone, especially since tanning has always been very common in Southern Europe.

This is how ral mena brown people depicted themselves, clearly semitic features

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>>18512589
Yep they just somehow forgot to build civilization in northern Europe lol

I'd tell you to go take your schizo meds but it's obvious that you cannot afford them in the US

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>>18512607
you are a liar and I am tired of your lies

>>18512600
That's not Minoan, it's from the Classical period around 480 BC. Where did I say that the ancient Greeks were ''semitic''? They weren't ''white'' as in northern Euro white like those delusional nordicist retards claim, they would have looked like the people they plot closest to (Greeks and Southern Italians) and their art indicates it too

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>>18512610
you are a liar and I am tired of your lies

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>>18512608
Minoans had even less to do with mentally ill obese amerisharts like you than the ancient Greeks do, they had no Indo-European blood. Already Myceneans and other Greeks had Calabrian-tier IE admixture, Minoans literally 0 lol. Imagine how far do you plot from them since you already plot super far from the other ancient Greeks

>>18512613
I wasn't talking about the Minoan ''reconstruction'' you posted but about the image I posted, you mentally ill morbidly obese trailer park reject. By the way nice slop ''reconstruction'', why not posting the original? maybe because she has dark eyes in the original fresco lol? Anyway I'm gonna bounce because it feels like punching down on someone with severe intellectual disabilities, makes me feel gross

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>>18512621
the first civilization in Europe was a white civilization and you are a liar who can not stop lying

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>>18512589
nice graph..

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>>18512610
This is an Anglo-Saxon man, he looks similar to frescoes which are clearly Europoid.

>>18512610
>They weren't ''white'' as in northern Euro white
So just because some loser say that, the solution is to go in the complete direction, what about the middle

>>18511210
The Whitest palest Irishman shares at LEAST 70% of his DNA with the most archaic proto-Greek Mycenaean.
The MOST European Crusader Rapebaby lebanog shares AT MOST 45% of his DNA with the most MENA-like Greek colonist living in Babylon.

If we are talking about sharing DNA, the Greeks of Alexander's day share VASTLY more DNA with Modern Scandinavians than they share with modern or ancient West Asians.

This is due to ALL Europeans hitting at least 45% EEF save for a handful of peripheral Finno-Ugrics whom we still consider Europeans.
Most Europeans are 55% EEF and EEF is the root race of Ancient Greeks.

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>>18512589
Rather, whiteness is a state which can only ever be striven toward but never arrived at for the darker races.

>>18512772
May we see evidence of this ridiculous and outlandish claim?

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>>18512772
I guess it's a GONSBIRACY that Levantines plot closer to the Myceneans than any northern Euro populations

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>>18512850
Its not a conspiracy, plotting on a PCA is different from DNA sharing.
Northern Europeans share actual DNA, they share ancestors with Ancient Greeks.
MENA do not share as many if they share ancestors at all with Ancient Greeks.
Ask the AI if EEF is higher in Northern Europeans or in Lebanese.
EEF is the root lineage of Ancient Greeks.
>>18512816
Whats ridiculous and outlandish?
What in particular? high levels of EEF in Europeans?
You deny that even Northern Europeans are 45% EEF?
You deny that ancient Greeks are +85% EEF?

>>18512896
NTA,
Learn the difference between ANF and EEF. 45% Barcin doesn't happen in Northern Europe. Maybe France.

If you like this subject enough, start playing around with Vahaduo. You might learn a thing or two.

>>18512896
No Levantines share more otherwise they wouldn't plot closer, they share both ANF (Lebanese can reach 40% ANF) and similar IRAN_N ancestry with the Myceneans. The fact that northern Europeans have massive amount of Steppe and WHG that the Myceneans had in negligible amount pulls them farther away from the Myceneans

>>18512926
EEF are 80-100% Barcin.
There's nothing with Vahaduo. What I said still stands. Northern Europeans share more DNA with Mycenaeans than West Asians do.
>>18512929
>otherwise they wouldnt plot closer
nope.
For example, a mutt between an Abo and an African will plot with Iraqis, but will share zero DNA with Iraqis.
>Lebanese can reach
very rarely do Lebanese reach 40% ANF.
>massive amount of steppe
You mean roughly 45%? Thats a lot but thats about as much EEF as they have as well and thats for literal Scandinavian Nordics.
Central/West Europeans like French, Swiss, German, Austrian, Belgian are more EEF.
Being pulled is irrelevant.
Sharing DNA is what matters.
Northern Europeans share more DNA, that means they share more ancestors.

Scandinavians and Mycenaeans share more ancestors with each other than Mycenaeans do with anyone outside of Europe.
Classical Greeks even more than what Mycenaeans did.

The claim to Mycenae, let alone Alexander, Leonidas, and Plato, belongs first to modern Greeks, Second to Central and West Europeans, Third to literal Scandinavian Nordic, and finally, after literal Icelandic Vikings, to Lebanese and Nafroons.

>>18511907
WTF?

>>18513088
>The claim to Mycenae, let alone Alexander, Leonidas, and Plato, belongs first to modern Greeks, Second to Central and West Europeans, Third to literal Scandinavian Nordic, and finally, after literal Icelandic Vikings, to Lebanese and Nafroons.

Yeah in your delusional wewuzzing mind, genetic clustering soundly disproves you, Lebanese are way closer to the Mycenaeans than any northern Euro population. No amount of seething on your part will change that. Maybe your ancestors should have written something down too instead of being illiterate ooga boogas so you wouldn't have to go around try to appropriate and self-insert yourself other people history. Even Ethiopians are in the Odissey but no "Nordic" whatsoever lol. It's so humiliating

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This kill the Nordicists.

>Beyond contributing to the population of mainland Europe through Bronze Age pastoralists of the Yamnaya, CHG also appears to have arrived on its own in the Aegean without Eastern European hunter–gatherer (EHG) ancestry and provided approximately 9–32% of ancestry to the Minoans. The origin of this CHG component might have been Central Anatolia

>Genetic analysis shows that Iranian-related ancestry, which was widespread in the Aegean by the Middle Bronze Age in association with the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures, had also spread as far west as Sicily in substantial proportion at least by the time of the Mycenaeans. One possibility is this ancestry spread west along with the Mycenaean cultural expansion. An arrival of the CHG-related component in Southern Italy from the Southern part of the Balkan Peninsula, including the Peloponnese, is compatible with the identification of genetic corridors linking the two regions and the presence of Southern European ancient signatures in Italy. Collected data from Iron Age individuals dating from 900 to 200 BCE (including the Republican period) group shows a clear ancestry shift from the Copper Age, interpreted by ADMIXTURE as the addition of a Steppe-related ancestry component, and an increase in the Neolithic-Iranian component

>Iran/Caucasus-related genetic influx was inferred in published individuals from the later Neolithic phases on the mainland (Peloponnese, around the fifth millennium BC) —but not earlier— as well as most of the EBA individuals from Euboea, Aegina and Koufonisia

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>>18513344
>Beyond contributing to the population of mainland Europe through Bronze Age pastoralists of the Yamnaya, CHG also appears to have arrived on its own in the Aegean without Eastern European hunter–gatherer (EHG) ancestry and provided approximately 9–32% of ancestry to the Minoans. The origin of this CHG component might have been Central Anatolia

>Genetic analysis shows that Iranian-related ancestry, which was widespread in the Aegean by the Middle Bronze Age in association with the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures, had also spread as far west as Sicily in substantial proportion at least by the time of the Mycenaeans. One possibility is this ancestry spread west along with the Mycenaean cultural expansion. An arrival of the CHG-related component in Southern Italy from the Southern part of the Balkan Peninsula, including the Peloponnese, is compatible with the identification of genetic corridors linking the two regions and the presence of Southern European ancient signatures in Italy. Collected data from Iron Age individuals dating from 900 to 200 BCE (including the Republican period) group shows a clear ancestry shift from the Copper Age, interpreted by ADMIXTURE as the addition of a Steppe-related ancestry component, and an increase in the Neolithic-Iranian component

The Logkas Samples are similar to Modern Greeks.

>In contrast, our results reveal that present-day individuals from Greece (northern Greece—Thessaloniki—and Crete) are closely related to the Helladic-Logkas-MBA individuals of northern Greece, falling near present-day Greeks in MDS analysis (Figure 2), sharing the same ancestry components in ADMIXTURE (Figure 3), and having very similar D-statistics (Figure S6). Moreover, in qpWave/qpAdm analyses (Table 3), the Thessaloniki individuals could be successfully modeled with ∼93%–96% MBA Logkas-related ancestry

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>>18513345
>>18513344
the genetic distance between whites is negligible, and from them there is a gulf to non whites which is so great as to be an ocean of difference across which it ought to be obvious that none but themselves can claim to have been the progenitors of such civilizations as those which you seek to claim as your own.

I state again, the brown skinned are not european, are not responsible for the establishment of any civilization which borders the mediterranean sea

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>>18511210
Alexander the Great was the only White man in gayreek history.

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>>18512896
>You deny that ancient Greeks are +85% EEF?

Yes. Because it's fake and gay.

>In their archaeogenetic study published in Nature, Lazaridis et al. (2017) found that Minoans and Mycenaean Greeks were genetically highly similar - but not identical and that modern Greeks descend from these populations. The FST between the sampled Bronze Age populations and present-day West Eurasians was estimated, finding that Mycenaean Greeks and Minoans were least differentiated from the populations of modern Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy. In a subsequent study, Lazaridis et al. (2022) concluded that around ~58.4-65.8% of the DNA of the Mycenaeans and ~70.9-76.7% of the Minoans came from Early European Farmers (EEF), while the remainder came from ancient populations related to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG) (Mycenaeans ~20.1-22.7%, Minoans ~17-19.4%) and the Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) culture (Mycenaeans ~7-14%, Minoans ~3.9-9.5%). Unlike the Minoans, the Mycenaeans had also inherited ~3.3-5.5% ancestry from a source related to the Eastern European Hunter-Gatherers (EHG), introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of the Pontic-Caspian steppe (Western Steppe Herders) who are hypothesized to be the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and ~0.9-2.3% from the Iron Gates Hunter-Gatherers in the Balkans

>In a subsequent study, Lazaridis et al. (2022) concluded that around ~58.4-65.8% of the DNA of the Mycenaeans and ~70.9-76.7% of the Minoans came from Early European Farmers (EEF)

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>>18513346
Lol. The Europeans most genetically distant from non-Europeans are the swarthy Sardinians.

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>>18513350
Here is your purebred.

>>18513346
That's a map of modern populations lol. Also ''whites'' = Amerishart detected. Whites is a nonsensical label that only applies to Amerishartia because you have tens of millions of blacks and mexicans and you are afraid of going extinct genetically (after all the US is already less than 50% ''white''), so you enacted segregationist laws and came up with this Indian-tier caste colorism. Europeans should reject your moronic colorism

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>>18513344
>No saar, we look just like the frescoes saar

>>18512753
>some loser

You are extremely clueless. This is the delusional mainstream belief of most american/northern euro rightoids

>>18513088
What part about "45% Barcin doesn't happen in Northern Europe" do you not understand? You are comparing 45% apples and 85% oranges. What you said does not stand. Learn the basics of a topic before you speak.

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>>18513550
>What part about "45% Barcin doesn't happen in Northern Europe" do you not understand?
>Belgian
44
>German
40
Northern France
45
>Austria
42

These people share those percentages with Mycenaeans through Barcin ALONE.
Add in Yamnaya and they now share MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR GENOME WITH MYCENAEANS

Germans, the most infamously Northern European race, over 50% of their DNA with Mycenaeans.

Move beyond Mycenaeans into classical Greeks and Macedonians, Alexander, Leonidas, Plato, Pericles.
They start sharing closer to 60-75% of their DNA with the aforementioned French, Germans, Belgians, Austrians.

Literal Scandinavians, the archetype of the Nordic race share 60-65% of their with Classical Era Greeks.

Dolph Lundgren shares more than half of his genome with Alexander the Great through combined Yamnaya and Barcin.

Lebanogs and nafroons do not share even half of their genome with Alexander.

>>18513348
>60-70% EEF
see
>>18513616
both ancient and classical Greeks share more than half their genome with Northern Europeans.

>>18513373
White is correct, and that identity is the one which you seek to destroy because you seek the destruction of all who fall under its definition. Your great fear is that they identify themselves that way collectively to advance their own interests, which would save them from destruction.

>>18513339
>genetic clustering
Clustering Does NOT represent ANY kind of shared DNA, it is simply a cluster analysis, it does not indicate shared DNA.
Unless a population has direct descent from another, Cluster is pointless, it confers no meaningful data.

You are aware that cluster does NOT indicate ancestry correct?
E.g. an African and a Pajeet will produce someone who clusters with Iraqis, but would you call an Afro-Indian Ugandan ethnically Iraqi?
Afro-Indians cluster with Iraqis, so they must be related to Iraqis right?
1 quarter African and 3/4 Indian is closer to Iraqis than Syrians are, therefore a Ugandan of Afro-Indian ancestry is more related to Iraqis than Syrians are?
Thats what cluster analysis says, dont you agree?

You fail to grasp direct descent.

Northern Europeans share more ancestors with Mycenaeans than Lebanogs do, true or false?
True obviously, in terms of number of ancestors shared, Northern Europeans share 50-65% of their ancestors with ancient and classical Greeks.
This is just a fact and we can see it in the admixture analysis which tracks DIRECT DESCENT better than cluster.
see >>18513616
>>18512896


Northern Europeans were too busy evolving genes to reach the moon to waste time writing down clay customer service complaints about shitty copper from Ea-Nasggers shinies shop.

>>18513378
He unironically shares 75% of his DNA with Leonidas doe.
Look at the overlap between Germans and Peloponnese Greek.
>>18512896
>>18513616
Leonidas I of Sparta - 57 Barcin, 33, Yamnaya.
Oliver Kahn - 40 Barcin, 46 Yamnaya.
40+33 = 73.
They share 73% of their ancestors.
That is 2-3x more than what Roaches, Lebanogs, and Nafroons share with Leonidas.

>>18513616
Thank you for posting a chart. You can now admit you were wrong any time now.
>Irish 36.9%
>Scottish 36.9%
>Norwegian 34.%
>Swedish 33%
>Dutch 37.1%

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Nords are babbling about being 40-45% EEF because they know the Ancient Greeks had less Steppe than fucking Blacks.

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>>18513637

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>>18513620
All this pathetic cope and you are still 2x further away from them than the Lebanese lol

>>18513619
Nope it's not correct, only Amerisharts in their 40% white country identify as ''white''. Europeans identify as 1) their own country 2) Europeans. Not as ''white''. The white label is very divisive in fact and that's why you have countless inane debates whether southern Europeans are ''white'' because they aren't as pasty as you. Again, it's divisive american colorist retardation, and it's also funny because your country is less ''white'' than any European country you care to name

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>>18513631
Now he's just making shit up about the genetic makeup of Leonidas of Sparta and Oliver Kahn lmao, utterly mind-broken

>>18512586
> if they actually met ancient Greeks who were even browner
Actually, "ancient Greeks" weren't one monolithic people. There were at least two different areas - brownish achaeans in south (remnants of Minoians) and Dorians in north (migrants from north).

>>18513635
Neither ancient or classical Greeks are 100% Barcin.
Refer to >>18513631

The overlap between Northern Europeans and Ancient and Classical Greeks is much greater than between Greeks and MENA.

>you were wrong
Except I wasnt, look >>18513616
>>Belgian
>44
>>German
>40
>Northern France
>45
>>Austria
>42

>>18513645
>further away
???????????
Distance =/ ancestry.

A Syrian is 2x further away from an Iraqi than a Ugandan-Gujarati mutt.

in terms of shared ancestry, Germans like Oliver Kahn literally share 3/4 of their ancestors with Alexander and Leonidas.

Lebanogs, not even mentioning the even less related Roaches and nafroons, do not even come close to sharing 55%, let alone a full +70% of their ancestors with Leonidas and Alexander.
>>18513637
Alexander and Leonidas are 1/3 Steppe, which is more than African Americans, more than some Southern Europeans like Sardinians, and vastly more than Lebanogs and Nafroons.

>>18513650
I posted the genetic data.
Where's your counter-evidence?

You have none because I am right and you can no longer cope when put in the simplest of terms.
According to the genetic data, Germans and Classical Era Greeks share 2/3 of their ancestors.

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>>18513665
Ok then all genetic studies are wrong, you a loser on 4chin with a biased agenda making shit up is the one who's right. Why is Academia HIDING THE TRUTH? Why do they keep the WHITE MAN down?

>>18513667
Your mental delusion is not ''genetic data''. There's no ''Leonidas of Sparta'' genetic data retard, and you don't have that of Oliver Kahn either. You are spazzing out just because you can't deal with reality, it's pretty amusing

>NOOOO EFFENDI NOOOOO YOU ARE MUDDERFUK BENCHOD NOT RELAT TO GREK CEEVILAZASHUN

German speakers such as Austrians share more than 50% of their ancestors with Mycenaeans.
Germans themselves share more than 2/3 of their ancestors with Alexander the Great and Leonidas I.

What did you expect? Europeans are taller, stronger, more attractive, produce higher HDI, more intelligent. Of course they are going to share more of their genome with ancient civilization builders rather than ancient scam artists like Ea Nasir, nafritroons, and lebadogs.

Israelis are genociding MENAmutts with zero effort.
Germans genocided Israelis with zero effort.

The hierarchy is clear, the bug eyed, poop colored, alakamalakumshallahiballabali speaking, animated sand golems are simply an inferior people, thats why Crusaders, little more than bandits, carved out entire kingdoms right in the MENAjeet heartland while MENAjeets can barely hold onto to their welfare flats paid for by Berlin charities lmfao.
>SAAAR WE ARE ORCS CONQUERING YOU
you are animals being exterminated in your own homeland by a genetically Eastern European people.

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>>18513665
>Alexander and Leonidas are 1/3 Steppe

Bullshit. Modern Macedonians have between 15-25% Steppe. Considering that the ancient population would have had less than them, they would have less steppe than African Americans (12%).

>>18513654
Read the statement again
>45% Barcin doesn't happen in Northern Europe. Maybe France.

The reason I said that is because the people called "Nordic" from the British Isles, Scandinavia, North Germanics, and the Baltics do not have 45% ANF. I excluded France because I knew their ANF was higher.

You did not know this until I made you look it up. I can tell because you are referring to the admixture percentages of a shared ancestry between Northern Europeans and Greeks called "EEF" which DOES NOT EXIST. There is no such thing as EEF. It is a catchall term for a list of ethnicities mixed with ANF.

>>18513670
>k then all genetic studies are wrong,
Such as?
What studies?
>biased agenda
what's the agenda? wheres the bias?
>academia hiding the truth
literally no one has said this but (You).

I posted actual data, you have posted nothing.

In the simplest terms, Germans share more than 2/3 of their ancestors with Alexander the Great and Leonidas I.
Where's the lie?
Thats what the data supports.
>>18513672
>mental delusion
Where do you see mental delusion in these charts?? >>18513616 >>18512896

>there's no Leonidas of Sparta genetic data
Was he genetically different from other Peloponnesian Greeks?
No, we have no reason to believe he different from Peloponnesian Greek samples.
Just as we have no reason to believe Oliver Kahn differs from other Germans.
I could make the same argument you're making now and say Kahn is magically different from all other Germans and has secret Mycenaean ancestry directly from the Atreides themselves.

I have posted the genetic data, you are the one unable to deal with reality.

>>18513679
More unhinged seething and spazzing out. It's funny how he assumes I must be a nafri/mena/indian just for posting objective data about Myceneans being so far away from Germs even Levantines cluster way closer. Must hurt idolizing the Greeks as HUWHITE and try to appropriate and gatekeep them and then genetic studies destroy your wewuzzing delusions in such a hilarious manner

>>18513645
>Europeans identify as 1) their own country
Which is meaningless because all Eurpoean countries have been flooded with population replacement numbers of black and brown people.
>2) Europeans identify as Europeans. Not as ''white''.
Which is meaningless because you are over here claiming brown skinned people are European.

Id be on your side if you were defending the definition of European so that it only included white people, but you are doing the opposite.

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>>18513687
Nobody had your horrid germanic features in ancient Greece, dude. I know you hate yourself and Germans have historically always hated themselves, all this wewuzzing bs comes from Germs. Nietzsche was another self-hating germ wewuzzer obsessed with the Greeks, then the Nazis. It's a constant of the Germoid being to hate themselves and wewuzz, with often disastrous consequences

>>18513653
proof that dorians were genetically different from other greeks?

>>18513685
>You did not know this until I made you look it up.
Northern Europeans in genetic terms means north of the alps.
People north of the alps cluster together in what can be considered a singular ethnic group.
within this ethnic group there are sub-ethnicities which reach and exceed 45% Barcin.

I knew this, you pretended it wasnt true, you are now tripling down and backpedaling, furthermore you seem to have entire abandoned the original debate which is that Northern Europeans share more of their ancestors with Ancient and Classical Greeks than MENA do.
This is demonstrably true.
Furthermore I said EEF, not Barcin or ANF.
There is variation along the Anatolian cline depending on time and place.
Something you again, ignore and instead cherrypick specific admixtures.
>no such thing as EEF

There is no such thing as a Neolithic Era Farmer in Europe?
prove it.
The combined ancestry of Barcin and Steppe puts most Northern Europeans above Lebanese in terms of shared ancestors with Mycenaeans.
It puts ALL Northern Europeans above ALL MENA in terms of shared ancestors.
Lebanese are the most Europeanized MENA, we need not even get into the Less European-like MENA.

The evidence is clear.
Europeans both in particular and as a whole possess a significantly greater claim to both ancient and classical era Greeks than people outside of Europe, even those who occupy historically ancient and classical Greek core territory like Western Asia Minor.

>>18513700
Nordicists believe that the Dorians wuz nordic because they came from the NORF (meaning like northern Greece or the Balkans) but they daydream about them being like the VIKANGZ, and since there are no dorian samples yet they go hog wild with the WEWUZ DORIANS AND SHEEEIT

>>18513709
>there are no dorian samples yet
thanks mate

>>18511236
Those Germanic hordes made it the biggest empire of all time btw

>>18513691
>just for posting objective data about Myceneans being so far away from Germs even Levantines cluster way closer.
This is completely meaningless because distance is NOT an indicator of ancestry.
Admixture is an indicator of Ancestry.

You rely on statistical sleight of hand and non-ancestry factors like drift and pull while ignoring the unambiguous fact of shared ancestry between Europeans and archaic and classical Greeks being much greater than between those of the Greeks and non-Europeans.

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>>18513697
>no one had the archetypal chad features in Ancient Greece
Doubtful, however, when given the choice, Greeks then and now regularly choose European beauty over MENA orc features.

>>18513709
>Nordicists
a complete fantasy boogeyman.
Literally no one believes Ancient Greeks were a 1:1 with Modern Swedes.
They say, correctly, due to shared ethno-linguistic and phenotypic features, Archaic and Classical Era Greeks shared a strong connection with Europeans living north of the alps.

>>18513725
you failed to provide proof dorians were genetically different from other greeks

J1/E1b = ancient civilization (large piles of bricks, really really bad)

G2a/J2a/J2b/R-Z2103/R1b-U152 = classical civilization (almost everything that is good that we do with culture starts to be perfected here. Still arguably brown but much less so)

R1b-U152/R1b-L21/R1b-U106/I1/R1a = Faustian civilization (the Great Leap Forward, spiritually and physically the whitest, everything improves broadly and permanantly but limits aren't grasped)

E1b/J1/J2/A000/?! = niggerhell post-civilization (return to pointless proliferation of spicy street slop eaters, worhtless so called "life")

>>18513742
R1a is just a tag-along, their true civilization that was not built leaning on R1b types is India.

>>18513741
I dont need to prove that because other Greeks are enough.
I wouldnt want Dorians to be genetically different because of the samples we have, the "other Greeks" are already much more related to Northern Europeans than MENAjeets are.
see >>18512896

>>18513706
Thesr are your feefees, not an argument. You provided zero proof + ancient greeks had mena ancestry. Cope.

>>18513753
backtracking after making a totally retarded claim now? faggot

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>>18513753
Somehow northern Europeans just magically cluster far away from Myceneans just because, it's a CONSPIRACY BY MARXIST ACADEMIA, THE POLTARD HAS UNCOVERED THE TROUT!

>>18513725
You are either lying or you don't know the extent of the nordicist movement, it's pretty mainstream stuff among northern euro/american rightoids to believe this stuff. Same with the ancient Greeks wuz white like them and not related to modern Greeks. All absolutely mainstream shared beliefs of the overwhelming majority of white rightoids, literally go on any threads about the Odissey on /tv/ and you will see plenty of posts saying that stuff, tweets getting thousands of likes also saying the same stuff. It's totally normalized and mainstream

>>18513771
>far away
all whites are effectively the same within a very narrow spectrum, and the distance from them to any others may as well be the distance to the moon. this chart here >>18513346 tells the whole story

>>18513755
Theyre actually the facts.
See >>18512896 >>18513616

>>18513760
Where's the backtrack. Unless youre referring to someone else, I always referred to what i had posted.
I dont think Dorians differed significantly from other Greeks and those Greeks who claim descent from Dorians are in the table.
Theyre 1/3 steppe.
>>18513771
>magically cluster far away
Though WHGs are magical, there is nothing magical about WHG admixture, an extremely isolated group, pulling Europeans further away from less WHG populations like The Greeks.

it is for this reason cluster is totally irrelevant.
Admixture is what matters because admixture tracks shared ancestry directly.
It does not rely on sleight of hand like "Distance" which can be greatly changed by minutiae such as having 15% WHG pull apart groups that otherwise shared 2/3 of their genome.

Rest of your post is some kind of weird strawman aimed at a vaguely right wing conspiracy theorist.

Are ancient Greeks being European some kind of right wing conspiracy?? first Im hearing of it.

>>18513771
Marxist academia wants us to believe that Mediterraneans are no different than sub-saharan africans.
And, yes, it is a conspiracy.

Brad Pitt is still closer to Mycenaeans than Lupita.

>>18513775
>nordicist movement
laughable.

You get trolled by Instagroid agartha edits and now you overcorrect into stupid things like trying to portray Ancient Europeans as apart of the MENAsphere.
>/tv/
>rightoids

brother, the complaints about Helen being a literal West African are more than reasonable.
The complaints about Achilles being a literal tranny are again completely reasonable.

Do (You) think Helen as a West African is more or less accurate to Helen portrayed by Diane Krueger?
Krueger shares at least half if not 2/3 of her DNA with the historical Helen of Sparta.
This is more than what the most Europeanized MENA would share with Helen of Sparta.

The only person more akin to a Historical Helen would be an actual ethnic Italian/Greek.

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>We wuz Leonidas AND Jesus AND Helen of Troy too
The nordicist situation is becoming untenable.

>>18513706
You can just stop posting if you don't want to admit you were wrong.

Again, "EEF" is not an ethnicity.
The Globular Amphora Culture, Cucuteni–Trypillia Culture, Neolithic Iberia, Neolithic Britain, and Neolithic Greece are all "Early European Farmers" but they are not a single coherent ethnicity. They have different levels of ANF and European Hunter Gatherer admixture.

>>18513788
you're over here claiming those people had brown skin, which is just retarded.

>>18513791
>backpedaling again
You lost.

This is true, and you have tacitly agreed it is true.

Northern Europeans such as Germans share 50-70% of their genome with Ancient and Classical Greeks as shown by these tables.
>>18513616 >>18512896

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>>18513782
Still repeating this bs, Lebanese share both less mediated ANF and IRAN_N with the Myceneans, Germans only share less direct ANF with them and a minimal STEPPE (Myceneans had very little of it), so that's why they cluster so far away from the ancient Greeks and they look nothing like them also. Germoids are heavily miscast as Myceneans, their features are VERY different and no amount of wewuzzing will change that fact. It would be like casting a bunch of southern Euros to play the Vikings, I can assure you there would be an outcry from you hypocritical lot if that happened.
As always my invite to stop hating yourself and embrace who you actually are already

>>18513791
>The Globular Amphora Culture, Cucuteni–Trypillia Culture
these aren't real cultures, they're "archeological cultures" we don't know anything about the way they lived

>>18513794
Yeah a Palestinian living in the Middle East totally looked like a Scandinavian dude, outlandish to suggest he might have possibly looked middle easterner

>>18513788
That guy be swarthy with dark brown hair doe, any darker and he'd look pajeet, not med

>>18513782
It's not laughable, it's 100% the mainstream shared belief of most americans and western/northern european rightoids. Of course you deny it because you also agree with them

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medbvlls have dark brown hair, swarthy grey eyes, and BRONZE skin, like pic related, not nordcuck pale or jeet brown.

>>18513799
I have backpedaled on absolutely nothing. Get your facts straight instead of pulling things out of your ass like "north of the Alps". Learn what EEFs were before you make claims about them. Learn how much ANF Northern Europeans have before you post about it. I do not care about a single other claim made by you. I haven't abandoned any debate because I wasn't even in this thread until you fallaciously equated Greek and Northern European EEF. Stop pretending to be knowledgeable when you are clueless.

Admit you were wrong or stop replying to me.

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>>18513788
>we wuz helen of troyz

>>18513806
Modern day brown skinned people are foreign contamination like Indians and mexicans, they're not indigenous to the regions around the Mediterranean sea.

Medchads trust the science on ancient Greeks and Palestinians, nordcucks trust Hollywood directors.

>>18513822
They trust their feefees because they are women

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>>18513800
>>18513697
kek dude, greeks themselves casted an HGbvll as achilles, HG god features as the pinnacle are universal, whether it's germany or greece

>>18513836
Such phenotypes didn't exist in ancient Greece, the mainlanders are mixed with Slavs and favour slavoid looks like that guy. An authentic Hercules would have been cast from the islands.

>>18513861
nta but that guy is like the most Greek looking man ever. Sorry he does not quite match the MENA abominations that squirted you into this cruel HG world.

>>18513861
they existed, this is a warrior HG phenotype, a few ancient greeks were like that, strong, militarily and sexually successful
also slavs don't look like this, slavs are neotenized, such a phenotype is probably more common in southern france than in poland

mediterraneanism, or as i prefer to call it medgritoism is the worship of weak, cuckish, hypergracilized features and effeminacy, it's a self defeating ideology, attributing robust HG features to foreigners and denying your group has any such features, the women of your group will not agree with you and would rather go with the HGbvll than hanging out with the effeminate mediterraneanist cuck

it's like the white nationalist that insists on calling black men big dicked without understanding that he's already lost the moment he concedes a higher degree of masculinity to his enemies

>>18513876
Mainland Greek slavoid ancestry is from south slavs, not Poles. You can find more guys like that from Bulgaria, Romania and probably Columbia than in France.

>>18511210
>400BC
>All regions with Greek colonization/migration/trade whatever the fuck
You coordinatecucks do not understand demographics.

>>18513811
>North of the Alps
are you like not aware of what the PCA of Europe looks like?
North of the Alps is a distinct European subgroup.
Europeans as a whole can be divided between North of the Alps and South of Alps.
Then further into West/East Med and West/North/East NEuro.
>learn how much ANF
I already posted Europeans North of the Alps hitting 45% ANF.
Something you said didnt happen, clearly it does.

>I do not care about a single other claim
L O L

Ok, so you agree with me, Northern Europeans share more DNA with Mycenaeans and Classical Greeks than Lebanese do? If you admit this is true I will consneed on everything else.

That's all I care about, proving the """""Nordicist""""" thesis that Northern Europeans have a greater claim to Greece than MENAjeets do.
I wasnt wrong btw.
You backpedaled from contesting EEF to contesting ANF.
EEF and ANF differences are in WHG admixture, there isnt some vast chasm of genetic difference between Farmers in Germany and Farmers in Anatolia, its literally a few percentiles of WHG.
>clueless
the irony. You were proven wrong, you backpedaled, now you are pilpulling "I dont care about anything else"
yes you do, you are pretending you dont because you have LOST everything else already and you want to save izzat.
your izzat is gone.

Ancient Greeks belong to my people more than they belong to yours.

France is over 50% ANF according to the data I posted.
You were wrong.

>>18513800
>repeating this bs
what bs??
>look nothing like them
There is no uniform German look, some Germans and some Mycenaeans would have looked similar to each other having shared 50% of their ancestry or more.
>look nothing like them

You are obsessed with visuals because you are an insecure swarthoid.
>very different
nope, not at all.
You can find very mediterranean looking features in Northern Europe and very Northern looking features in South Europe.
There is zero doubt that phenotypic overlap existed.
Furthermore, Northern Europeans literally do just share more DNA with Mycenaeans and Classical Greeks than MENAmutts do.
>NOOOOO I A BRAVE MENA WARRIOR LOOK LIKE ACHILLE-ACK

You look like a sand eating afro-asiatic demijeet with bug eyes and poop color.
you do not even remotely resemble ancient Greeks and by sharing less DNA with them you have less phenotypic overlap with them.

Northern Europeans share phenotypes with Ancient Greeks except Northern Europeans have more Chad versions of those phenotypes as they are more robust and HG derived.

>South Euros to play vikings
dumb brown obsessed with "representation" like some amerimutt blackcel.

Northern Europeans have more phenotypic and genetic overlap with Mycenaeans than Lebanogs do.
get over it.

>>18513809
>source? I made it up
your inferiority complex is something else.

>>18513883
>You can find more guys like that from Bulgaria, Romania
nope, northwestern europeans are the most HG looking europeans, it's more common in france than in the balkans, in fact it's probably more common in northern italy and pyrenean adjacent spanish regions than in the balkans
your medgrito troon worship of the weaklings, likely inherited from christcuckery (the jewish religion adopted by imperial era medgritos that preaches about protecting and cherishing the weak) is a dead end, achilles was a warrior and likely looked HG, like most successful warriors, hypergracilized bug eyed jeet looking rat phenotypes are incapable of fighting. suggesting that achilles looked like some bug eyed hook nosed armenoid rat is not only unrealistic but borderline insulting

>>18513901
>nordgoloids on Stormfront called Golden Dawn leader pseudo-hispanic looking and not white
>now nordgoloisd started praising a pseudo-hispanic looking Greek actor as a Northwest European hunter-gatherer
nordcuck genes make you prone to schizophrenia

>>18513912
>nordgoloids on Stormfront called Golden Dawn leader pseudo-hispanic looking and not white
literally who dot jpg

some ancient greeks were robust and HG looking, it's absurd to even suggest that a population lacked robust types, and these types were overrepresented among warriors

>>18513901
>>18513912
Nordic BVLLs just look better.
WHGs and ANE were absolute chads.
youre a gracile soft feminine creature with tiny balls.

>>18513892
I do not care what people you "claim." Northern Europeans do not have 45% ANF. I explicitly mentioned France as an exception so you would understand what is meant by "Northern European" intuitively.

Northern Europe does not start at the Alps. Get your head out of your ass and stop hallucinating that I am some other poster. I have backpedaled on nothing but here you are talking about Scandinavians:
>>18513616
>>18513088
But now you emphasize the French. Why are you backpedaling?

Nordic people do not have 45% ANF.
France: not Nordic
Southern Germans: not Nordic
Austrians: not Nordic
North Germanics: Nordic
British Islanders: Nordic
Irish: Nordic
Scandinavians: Nordic
Baltics: Nordic

What is the criteria for "Nordic"?
low ANF
high steppe
high HG

Between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans exist intermediate ethnicities who should be called Central.

>>18513926
There was no backpedal.
I originally stated EEF.
Then posted a chart showing Barcin reached 45% in Europeans north of the alps (the genetic cluster 'Northern European').
You were/are wrong.
>Nordic
Nordic =/= Northern European.

Northern Europe begins at the Alps genetically speaking.

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>>18513653
>and Dorians in north (migrants from north).
holy kek

>>18513943
use the macedonian sample you dishonest liar

>>18513938
Do you not see the contradiction in your methods?
I excluded France so you would understand Northern European = Nordic, but you do not allow this definition. It should be fine since we are not talking about literal geography. The contradiction lies in the fact that you won't allow my definition of Northern European yet you insist Northern Europe starts at the Alps.

Do you want to make this about literal geography instead of ethnicity? It becomes nonsensical because there's no ancestry for people to claim based on strict geography.

>>18513897
Germoids = thin straight haired, high forehead, small eyes, short wider noses, square faced

Greeks = curly haired, low foreheads, thin longer noses, oval faces, normal sized eyes

SAAR ME AND YOU WE ARE TOTALLY THE SAME JA?! Outliers don't matter, most Germans and Greeks look nothing like each others, you can istantly tell a group of Greeks from a group of Germs because their phenotypes are noticeably different

Anyway, I'm sorry that you hate what you are and you desperately want to be someone else who looks nothing like you, nobody should ever suffer the fate to be born a self-hating Germ, it gives birth to monsters and History is proof

Btw I'm not Lebanese, it's not my fault they cluster twice as closest to the Myceneans than you Germs

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>>18513946
>Philip II of Macedon tomb complex
ohnononononononononooooooAHAHAHAHHH

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>>18513899
Well I don't go around claiming to be who I am not like your ilk does 24/7, you are the ones with a huge inferiority complex clearly

>>18513950
>redditspacing
Didn't read this post.

>germanoids and meds are different so we should let black people play them in the movies
Okay.

>>18513961
>aristoi
Sounds like someone is mad after being btfo day in and day out

Why do Indians get hyper obsessed with Med vs Nord bullshit? It's mind boggling

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>>18513722
This guy looks like a classical sculpture

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>>18513975
SAAR you are Indian! Indians share your same haplogroup family actually, in fact when they are albinos they are indistinguishable from you Germs lol

>>18513990
> Indians share your same haplogroup family actually
they don't
> in fact when they are albinos they are indistinguishable from you Germs lol
indians have a completely different craniometry and in fact, the cloest europeans to indians craniometrically are the greeks, as indians have heavy iranid influences

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>>18513999
Nah they look exactly like you, they look indistinguishable from Germans. You are extremely delusional and again you clearly hate yourself (but that's a common germoid feature)

>>18514011
>Nah they look exactly like you, they look indistinguishable from Germans.
they look completely different, the closest europeans to them craniometrically are the greeks, likely due to the armenoid-iranid connection, confirmed by actual craniometric studies and not schizobubble, still quite different tho, their AASI ancestry shifted indian crania towards a SSA/Abbo cline

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>>18513948
>Northern Europe starts at the Alps.
it does

>>18513961
The implication the race that went to the moon and had global empires has an inferiority complex is laughable.
>>18513950
>cluster
irrelevant.
Germans and Mycenaeans share more of their genome than Mycenaeans and Lebanese.
Simple facts.
please refer to the data I posted.

>>18514183
Germans never went to the moon. English are only 30-40% Germanic even if they speak a Germanic language. You are a pangermanist nazi cuck trying to claim the achievements of other people, on top of all the hilariously far-fetched wewuzzing

Lebanese still share more direct ancestry with the Myceneans than your ugly Germoid race does, no amount of seething and cope on your part will change that

>>18514188
Isn't the rest mostly "Belgic" which were Germanic mutts themselves?

>>18514183
>We went to the moon 57 years ago in the prehistory of space travel, but we can't do it again because we lost the blueprints/know-how! but trust me, we totally went to the Moon!

>>18514188
Germans sent the first manmade object into space.
Germans, literal Nazis, were critical to NASAs rocket program.
>pangermanist nazi cuck
the seethe is insane.
I am an American who is half English half German.

literally my people went to the moon lmao.

>>18514188
>Lebanese still share more direct ancestry with the Myceneans than your ugly Germoid race does,
nope.
see >>18513616 >>18512896

Germans share MORE of their genome with ancient and classical Greeks than Lebanese do.

That is just a fact, feel free to post your data tables if you disagree.

>>18514196
>literally my people went to the moon

yeah sure, do it again

>>18514194
>YOU DIDNT GO TO THE MOON THATS A CONSPIRACY
brown clown.
My race subjugated your race, we held you down and we raped you, and came inside you, and we impregnated your mind so thoroughly you're speaking our language, you're using our technology, you call it a violation of your rights if you dont get to be physically near us, that is how great we are compared to you.

>>18514196
>Germans, literal Nazis, were critical to NASAs rocket program.
Wong. Von Braun made it clear that his work was based on that of Robert Goddard (Anglo-American) who literally invented the liquid-fueled rocket.

>>18514200
brutal but completely accurate

>>18514200
Your country is 40% white, your women literally prefer to breed with Mexicans than with you. Is this some kind of weird projection on your part? You seem easily prone to spazzing out, you have anger issue dude

>>18514203
and yet it was Von Braun's team that sent the first manmade object into space and Von Braun himself who designed the actual Rockets NASA used to send up men and material into space.
>>18514207
You got raped by Whites, all you can do is dance around the ashes of real civilization like retarded orcs and monkeys.

Ancient Greeks would feel a much greater kinship with the fattest ugliest American boomer than they would a swarthy bug eyed orc MENAjeet.

These are just the facts.
fat boomer mutts in their unnecessarily big trucks, swilling big gulps, and ranting about Israel's defense share more DNA with Alexander the Great and Leonidas I than Lebanogs do.
Thats why Lebanogs are on the inside of the humanzoo we call West Asia and Americans on the outside.

>>18514200
I thought you hated brown immigrants because they rape your women and you are here airing your rape fantasies and glorifying rape? very brown-coded post my friend, are you sure that there isn't some mexican/black in you already?

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>>18514218
I'm not Lebanese, not sure why are you so obsessed with Lebanese. They are still twice as close to the Myceneans than you tho

>>18514188
>Germans never went to the moon. English are only 30-40% Germanic even if they speak a Germanic language.
germans are more related to the english than the ancient greeks were to lebanese

>>18513742
>R1b-U152/R1b-L21/R1b-U106/I1/R1a = Faustian civilization (the Great Leap Forward, spiritually and physically the whitest, everything improves broadly and permanantly but limits aren't grasped)
no, just good goys and golems. Every inventor in the last 300 years from the “white” world did not have these genetics. Example, the wright brothers were E-V13.

>>18514545
>saar it's the haplo saar
>no saar, no, it's the autosomal saar
>no saar, no, it's the phenotype saar
why are you haplojeets like this

>>18512028
They look a 100% white you zuttbrained jeet

>>18513809
A lot of them deny something so obvious because they have a vested interest in keeping us on the plantation. This state of ambiguity where we're supposedly white but without any real commitment on their end works in their favor and they'll try and maintain that status quo. You don't have to look far at all to see anti Med stuff, just browse any right coded website for like 5 minutes to see shitty wojak slop of a midget brown skinned Roman getting his head crushed by the hand of a 7 foot tall Gothic soldier or some American or Australian stating Italians or Greeks are mongrel Levantines that are destined for expulsion or extermination the instant white nationalists get their hands on the levers of power to say nothing of the the things you mentioned. It's everywhere.

But it goes even deeper than that. There's more subtle and subversive things like how Med stuff is just universally "European" but anything Germanic is specifically for Germanic people only. You can see it in this thread with the guy you're arguing with. Greeks being "Europeans" and Germans getting to claim credit for the Mycenaean civilization but he says "my people" the Germanics went to the Moon. Tiresome. What would happen if a Med said "we went to the moon"? There would be a chimpout about how the swarthoid brownoid subhumans are trying to steal valor from the Germanic ubermensch. Maybe if even once I saw one of them admitting the unceasing hostile behavior coming from their side is admittedly a real problem and they actually disavowed it instead of this pathetic pretending it doesn't exist I'd be less disillusioned with their behavior.

>>18514568
what plantation lol, you're just some basement dweller with too much free time on his hands. your based med ancestors would be embarrassed that their descendant is some soft-handed faggot playing with pivot tables in a dark room

>>18514545
>the wright brothers were E-V13.
unsourced amateur shit from a forum, completely untrue

>>18514225
>>18514225
It is because Lebanese are the most Europeanized MENA. Germans are closer to Mycenaeans than Egyptians.
>lebanese are close
Closeness isn’t ancestry. No one cares how “close” someone is on a pca.
Germans share more DNA with Mycenaeans than Lebanese do.
This fact makes you irrationally angry for some reason.
Germans share 2-3x more ancestors with Alexander and Leonidas than Lebanogs do.
And 5-6x more than average MENAmutt.

Germans have a stronger claim to Mycenae than lebanogs.

FYI, Indo-Ugandans are closer genetically to Sumer than Iraqis are. Should we allow them to claim Sumer?

>>18511343
Please for the love of god stop posting your G25 slop calculators, you need to actually be retarded if you think Danes are 17% BHG-SHG. And you know what makes it worse, you are modeling them with Narva and ANF, not even EEF and Narva.

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DNA analysis revealed Julius Caesar was H-1B haplogroup

>>18511343
Bad fits. Roaches are mongreloids with less of a claim to Mycenaeans than Finns.

>>18514748
>caesaar

>>18514659
>The Wright Brothers, the inventors of the world's first successful airplane, belonged to haplogroup E-V13 (S7461 subclade). They were supposedly descended from John Wright (1488-1551), of Kelvedon Hall, Essex, England, which allowed the Wright Surname DNA Project to isolate their paternal lineage based on the matching haplotypes of over 20 participants descending from that lineage.
Kek you jealous Germanic subhuman. Even the pocket watch was not a German invention because da Vinci had schematics on it decades early.

>>18514182
Switzerland and France are southern shifted. They are not part of the Northern European cluster.

>>18515128
And here’s a genuine mena gene.
>The Harvey Y-DNA Genetic Project managed to retrace the ancestry and identify the Y-chromosomal haplogroup of William Harvey (1578 -1657), the first person to describe completely and in detail the systemic circulation and properties of blood being pumped to the body by the heart. He belonged to the subclade E-M34.

I’ve always said this to be true. Any person from the barbarian tribes that has ever invented and discovered something these last 400 years when the tribes miraculously started to be useful for humanity, all had foreign non-barbarian MALE ANCESTRY!!!
>printing press
Not invented by Gutenberg. Already invested in east Asia included metallic moveable type. Economies of scale innovation using a screw press from olive oil distilling was not what Gutenberg invented, he stole it from an Italian obviously. And that Italian that we know nothing about by way of genes sure as fuck did not have low iq barbarian YDNA.

>>18515134
>https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/famous_y-dna_by_haplogroup.shtml
Almost all important people on this list have R1x or Ix haplos, almost all important inventors or scientists with E or J are jews.
>Wright Brothers
The Eupedia link is broken, the real site doesn't say any such thing, and even Eupedia doesn't make a stronger claim than that they were "supposedly descended" from him, lmao.
>William Harvey
I clicked the link and it seems like this is another William Harvey born 1614 who migrated to the new world... his brother didn't even share his haplo so I don't think you can draw any conclusions about potential relatives either.
>da Vinci had schematics on it decades early
Uhh da Vinci invented the helicopter or something
>Already invested in east Asia
Yet the western printing press was invented by a german and not a med, and it had a way greater impact than the chinese one did anyways.
>sure as fuck did not have low iq barbarian YDNA
North and Central Italy is more than 50% R1b and shoots up to over 70% in some areas and many north Italians are blonde.

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>>18514822
Nope.

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>>18514697
Adding "EEF" makes it even less favourable for Nords, Myceneans have none of that.

This discussion is always hilarious, as if modern south-euros don't have a burning hatered for near-easterners in general.
I was recently in Greece and one of my taxi-drivers just randomly started complaining about blacks and arabs destroying his nation, and every other foid was a fake-blonde.
Hell, one SJW bitch I was chatting with would even go on tirades about how Greeks try soo hard to be seen as white.

>>18511210
>Greeks were brown
Most jewish thread on the board atm.

>>18515134
>Not invented by Gutenberg
It doesn't matter if some Chinaman created a similar concept. Romans and Hellenics had developed steam engines, but their steam engines meant nothing in the bigger picture of human history. The Chinese have always been adept inventors. The Printing press was not adopted immediately everywhere until Gutenberg made it better and more scalable than anyone who had before him.

I'm no fans of krauts but a German inarguably solved a civilizational problem with the printing press that no one did better before him.

>>18513088
Ancient Greeks don't need to be 'claimed'
Quintessential amerimutt way of thinking

>>18515368
>distance
Filtered. Yeah they’re bad fits as your pic even shows.
>>18515377
Nope.
10-15% Yamnaya is a lot. It means anyone who reaches 40% Anatolian has a 50% or greater overlap with Mycenaeans. Thats well over a majority of Europeans.
And I don’t think even Lebanese or Roaches hit those numbers despite being the most Anatolian of the MENAjeets.

Just proving the Nordicists correct. Germans have a greater claim to Mycenaeans than any non-Europeans.

>>18515134
The desperation to be near Europeans is insane. Inferiority complex is wild.

Rocketry. Invented by Europeans
Combustion engines.
Flight.
Penicillin.
GMOs.

>>18515651
Why don't you explain what a bad or good fit is instead of posturing superiority?
>10-15% Yamnaya is a lot.
Look above, that's less than the Turks on that spreadsheet.
>And I don’t think even Lebanese or Roaches hit those numbers despite being the most Anatolian of the MENAjeets.
Look at the Turkish samples on the spreadsheet.

>>18515661
The Turks have less of a claim to Mycenaean than Europeans. Classical Greeks share 75% of their DNA with Germans.
Roaches are subhuman mystery meats.
>NOOOO WE ARE RELEVANT
you are Dravidians. You desperately want to be Europeans because Europeans are better.
Your empire was dismantled. Your people were slaves. Your largest military action in the last century saw you defeated by literal wolves eating your soldiers lmao.
Little Israel bullies you.
You are nothing.
Roaches are nothing.
A people with no history and no romance.

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>>18515749
You can't explain what a "bad fit" is, got it, you're posturing.
>Classical Greeks share 75% of their DNA with Germans.
You can't explain what you meant by this. Germans are GAC, Classical Greeks had no GAC...

>>18515758
>EFFENDI WE ARE A CLASSICAL PEOPLE WE ARE A TEMPORARILY EMBARASSED GREAT RACE WE ARE VERY SMART AND VERY IMPORTANT TO HISTORY I SEE GREEK RUIN AND SEE MY ANCESTOR WORK IN IT EFFENDI WHITE PEOPLE GOT LUCKY EFFENDI WE WILL GET LUCK TOO
HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Roaches are a wretched and twisted mystery meat people, the sick man of Europe, the degenerate weaklings who aren’t pious enough to be a serious Islamic nation nor are they secular enough to constitute an enlightened democracy, a hermaphrodite of nations are the Turchik roaches.

Alexander and Leonidas would recognize a German as kinsman sooner than they would a random Turdroach.

The Anatolian and steppe present in Spartans and Makedonians puts them at 75% German-like and not even half Turdroach-like.

You are nothing.

>>18515749
>>18515764
Amerimutt calls others ''mystery meat'', you can't make this shit up lol. America is the most mutted country in the world, even the white supremacist who took a dna test discovered he was 18% african american lol

>>18515764
Germans have only 18% Anatolian, they are GAC mutts, completely unrelated to Alexander by your own logic.

>>18515776
On the other hand, these Turks have well over 40% pure Anatolian ancestry. >>18511343

>>18515764
>>18515776
>>18515779
And I don't give a shit if Alexander would call Germans or Turks his "brothers", I only ever cared to correct you about the Anatolian ancestry of the Turks, which for Balkan Turks, Trabzon Turks, and Crimean South coast Turks (All Anatolian/Ottoman derived) is well over 40% percent and more than Northern Europeans, most of the rest is either Yamnaya or CHG/Iran_N admixture also found in Greeks and Italians.

>>18513955
what, he never replied to this? what about the dorian "migrants from north" (in contrast to the "brownish achaeans")

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Alexander would ask Germans why they have piss colored thinning hair, short potato noses, foreheads you can park a chariot on and those small close set eyes that makes them often look like weird mongoloids. He'd recoil at the ugliness of the average Germ

>>18515813
now imagine what he'd think of the soft-handed dweeb playing with pivot tables in his basement defending alexander's honor from 'the nordgroids' lol

>>18515625
>I'm no fans of krauts but a German inarguably solved a civilizational problem with the printing press that no one did better before him.
shut the fuck up moron. Gutenberg was a known fraud and charlatan he didn’t invent any scalable printing press.

>>18515924
settle down jam boy

>>18515767
>fantasizing about Americans
LOL
Americans are overwhelmingly pure Europeans.
Roaches have negroid, asiatic, pajeet, and arape.
Turks are the definition of mystery meat which is why they look wretched and malformed.
>>18515776
>GAC is 82% WHG and 18% Anatolian
???????
>>18515779
No they don’t. Average roach is far less Anatolian than the average European.
Roaches have abo-adjacent pajeet and literal asiatic mongoloid lmfao.

Roaches have zero claim to ancient or classical Greece lmao. Twisted and horrific race.
>NOOOOO EFFENDI WE ARE WOLVES
you are a degenerate mutt people who were stomped on by all of their neighbors and whom actual literal wolves delivered you your worst military defeat in the 1916 Caucasus campaign.
>>18515786
>I only care about this one thing
C O P E
O
P
E

Backpedaling, goalpost shifting, no one wants to be a roach, if being a roach was enough they wouldn’t argue they’re related to Greeks.

Roaches are biological failures.

Alexander and Leonidas share more DNA with modern Germans than they do with modern Roaches.
These are just the facts.
>b-b-but
Roaches aren’t hitting 75% overlap with classical era Hellenes like Germans are lmfao.
>NOOOO EFFENDI I HAVE BIG NOSE AND BUG EYE
we have statues of Ancient Greeks, they have straight noses and deep set eyes, they are far closer to Northern Europeans morphologically than they are to anyone outside of Europe.
>>18515813
Alexander was friends with fair haired Greeks lol.

>NO EVERYONE WAS BROWN AND LOOKED THE SAME
Except they didn’t. No 30% steppe population is uniformly brown like Turdroaches or MENAjeets lmfao.

>>18513955
>>18515787
>distance
And there’s the cope. WHG pulling Europeans apart is always presented as some massive genetic divide. These animals completely ignore the that Greeks and other Europeans share 3/4 of their genome.
Distance will always be a cope due to how unreliable it is for tracking actual shared ancestors.

>K

>>18515787
>>18513955
it's closer to tuscans, obviously macedonian greeks were more nordic than the greeks from the south, and macedonian greeks, being the conquering types are more important than any other greeks

>>18515813
there's nothing mongoloid about germanic skulls
>>18515377
why do you keep using european turks that are balkaners when the average anatolian turk is actually closer to a kurd

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daily reminder than alexandrian macedonian royals are the most important greeks and they're closer to germanics than to levantines

>>18516310
truthnuke

>>18516310
they're not gonna reply to this

>>18516310
That's not close at all

>>18515813
>>18515813
Notice how not a single one of those Germs have curly hair which is the most ubiquitous feature of Greek statues, to not talk of their other ugly potato features

>>18516395
why are you replying to yourself?

>>18516310
ancient macedonian greeks were obviously northern euro admixed, this is like the yamnaya all over again, used as the the most important PIE instead of the actually important corded ware because they were sampled first, myceneans are a much less relevant offshoot, the macedonians are responsible for the greek empire

>>18516416
Yeah that's why northern Euro (as much as you can even call Swiss/Austrians "northern Euro"..) cluster so fucking far from them even on the chart the other wewuzzer posted lol, you wewuzzers are completely shameless. Also the source of steppe in Greeks doesn't even come from the same source that Northern Euros get. It's also desperate how the other guy used the most southern shifted "Germans" like the Swiss and Austrian instead of actual Germans because they would still be significantly farther than the Lebanese lol

>>18516475
swiss germans and austrians are germanic northern europeans, lebanese themselves are the most european shifted levantines

>>18516475
cope they're closer to the flemish too

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>>18516477
>>18516508
It's clear why the dishonest hack used the most southern shifted ''Germans'', actual Germans are farther away than Lebanese and Syrians lol

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>>18516527
In fact even Austrians and Swiss are still more distant than Levantines to Macedonian samples lol

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>>18516310
>>18516416
This retard thinks a distance of 0.10 is close

Ancient Greeks were initially black and were descended from the tribe of Shabaaz. They were a utopic society, where they have figured out how to warp the fabrics of intergalactic space time, which they used to reach Planet X, aka the Mother Planet.
However, Yakub’s experiments, which took place on Patmos, made it so that Greece was the first place to be taken over by the pale apes.

>>18515417
The Balkans have some of the strongest inter-ethnic and even intra-ethnic rivalries in the world. Greeks talk shit about Albanians. Albanians got their beef with Serbians. Serbians kill Kosovar Albanians and Bosnian Muslims and suck Russian cocks. Croatians kill Orthodox Serbians and Bosnian Muslims. Bosnian Muslims got their feud with Serbians and liberally welcome Turkish tourists.
Turks talk shit about Greeks, but then they also feud with Iranians and Israelis, while maintaining the appearance of being a well-behaved NATO member because they allow the Americans to use their air bases.

And yet for some weird reason, even though Greek people talk shit about Turks and Lebbos, they still accept literal Israeli Jews as their military allies, while Israeli Jews obviously just see Greeks and Cypriots as their tools to stop flotillas going into Gaza.

Greeks hate Muslims, but they love their Jews like St. Paul (Saul), so you can't really say they just hate MENA altogether, especially seeing as they also claim Prince Cadmus of Tyre (founder of Thebes) was the one who brought them the alphabet from Phoenicia.

>>18516527
>>18516531
lebanese are the most european shifted levantines

swiss germans, flemish and austrians are germanics and northern europeans, the end
the macedonian sample, the only one that matters, is closer to germanics like them than to levantines

>>18516310
incredible the macedonians are germanic affinities

>>18516527
talking about dishonesty, "macedonia_classical_hellenistic" is from north macedonia, troon

this >>18516310 is the only valid chart

>>18516545
Swiss people are the literal progeny of Hallstatt culture, which is said to be the root of Celtic, not Germanic cultures. Swiss people are mountain folk, just like Austrians and Slovenians, and very much unlike Northern Germans.

>>18516545
No retard, that chart shows that they are incredibly far from ''Germans'' like the Austrians and Swiss, and they are even farther away to actual Germans

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>>18516531
>>18516527
those 2 samples are far closer to germanics than to lebanese, dishonest tranny

>>18516538
>Ancient Greeks were initially black
Sounds fake but I'll believe it.

>>18516550
swiss germans and austrians are northern european germanics

>>18516554
>No retard, that chart shows that they are incredibly far from ''Germans'' like the Austrians and Swiss, and they are even farther away to actual Germans
it shows insane levels of affinities between germanics, like the austrians, and the macedonians

>>18516554
See >>18516534

>>18516546
Using 1 samples is better than using multiple samples, ok desperate retard. You are still incredibly fucking distant in that chart to the Macedonians lol. I wonder why you Hans hate yourself so much, it should be studied because it's pathological

>>18516555
macedonians were northern euro adjacent

test

>>18516557
>swiss germans and austrians are northern european
They are literally Central Europeans, nigger.

>>18516559
>Using 1 samples is better than using multiple samples
when the sample is actually relevant and the others aren't yes, also both those samples are closer to germanics than to jordanians >>18516555
> You are still incredibly fucking distant in that chart to the Macedonians lol. I wonder why you Hans hate yourself so much, it should be studied because it's pathological
i'm not german, you cretin

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>>18516557
No it doesn't, 0.10 is a huge distance. You are and will always be a pig-faced self-hating delusional Germ

>>18516564
central europeans are a subset of northern europeans, swiss germans and austrians are northern europeans and germanic, deal with it

>>18516566
>No it doesn't, 0.10 is a huge distance
retard faggot, the levantines are farther away, mine was a relative statement, despite the distance, both geographical and cultural, there's clearly an affinity towards northern euros when compared to the myceneans

>>18516555
>>18516310
this proves that ancient makedon was a white european empire and probably many ptolemaic figures looked slav-celto-germanic

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>>18516555
You are the ''dishonest tranny''. Gemini confirms it too lol

Why do ugly pig-faced Germans want to be anyone other than what they are? This thing should be seriously studied, it's pathological

>>18516527
you don't even understand what this chart means. it's saying that sample I10391 is more levantine drifted and less european drifted than I10390, not that it's closer to levantines than to northern europeans

>>18516531
and this is saying the opposite

>>18516582
>Gemini confirms
meaningless, you're literally looking at actual data >>18516555 they were closer to germanics like the austrians than to levantines like the jordanians

>>18516590
look >>18516588 he doesn't even know what these tools mean, he's literally this fucking stupid

>>18516590
If you want to compare them to actual Germanics, compare them to people from Southern Sweden and Denmsrk, not people who live right across the Alps from polenta and pasta country.

>>18516310
interesting, so the actual macedonians like alexander were more genetically similar to guy from zurich or a guy from vienna than to someone from gaza

>>18516598
>If you want to compare them to actual Germanics, compare them to people from Southern Sweden and Denmsrk, not people who live right across the Alps from polenta and pasta country.
no, the austrians and swiss germans are germanic
that's like saying "don't use lebanese or coastal syrians as they're the closest levantines to europe, use southern jordanians from the sinai peninsula"

>>18516588
embarrassing really, he even titled his pics "lmao" and "lmao2", truly cringe

>>18516588
yeah, we're dealing with literal idiots

>>18516601
also a good point, swiss germans are to lebanese what dutch are to gazans, perfectly fair to use them

>>18516601
Well, yeah, you should compare Arabs from Mecca and Norwegians from Oslo against Macedonians, rather than some impure in-betweeners.

>>18516604
It's because I'm a triracial Mexican who can imagine how absurd it would be if we were comparing Mexican_Zambo_(Oaxaca) against Mexican_Lobo_(Veracruz) and American_Mexican_(California) that I get the feeling that it's really just fucking pointless to compare mutts against mutts.

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>>18516603
>>18516604
It's because I forgot to click on ''single'', either way some Macedonian samples are still way closer to Levantines than any German is. Overall you are still incredibly distant from any Greek sample even in the cases you are relatively closer to them than Levantines, so you still wuznt kangz

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>>18516626
>posting literal middle eastern outliers
impossible levels of dishonesty

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>>18516586
There's a good book about this (pic rel). But there should also be a book that treats the phenomenon from a more pathological point of view, like a clinical psychology text

>>18516629
The fist sample is not an outlier, keep coping Germutt

>>18516633
the first sample is extremely low coverage, it's from 100 bc and has obvious middle eastern ancestry, you are the most dishonest man on /his/

>>18516629
Muh outlier, why don't we find similar ''Germanic'' outliers in Macedonia then? Showing that kind of extreme closeness? Almost like Germanics were completely alien to Greek civilizations

>>18516631
why are you recommending a book to yourself

>>18516637
that's an outlier from the levant, retard, a foreign beast like yourself

>>18516642
why don't we find Germanic outliers in Macedonia? Because Germanic barbarian beasts were alien to Greek civilizations unlike Levantines

>>18516644
irrelevant, it's an outlier, you stupid lebanese idiot

>>18513788
Wotan/Wodan/Odin/Oden came from anatolia specifically Troy.

>alexandrian macedonian royals are roughly as close to swarthy alpines as they are to lebos
wow..

>>18516726
swiss germans and austrians are white germanics and the ancient macedonians are closer to them than to levantines

>>18516727
No they aren't, those are still huge distances. You aren't close to any ancient Greek population. Stop hating who you are Germ, it's pathetic and humiliating

>>18516727
why did you use half-celtic alpines instead of swedes? would give a clearer picture

>>18516744
i'm not german, ancient macedonians like alexander were genetically closer to germanics than to jordanians

>>18516751
it would not, austrians and swiss germans are germanics, they're to dutch what lebanese are to jordanians
perfectly fair to use them

also
>>18516744
>>18516751
same person

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>>18516754
no they're not also meds

>>18516601
There's nothing ''european'' about Lebanese or Syrians, retard. ANF comes from the ME/Anatolia, so if anything it's Europeans who have middle eastern admixture in them, not Lebanese having ''european'' admixture because they also have ANF

>>18516752
You clearly hate yourself since you want to be people who are hugely distant from you