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>>18514562
Poopru, also known as mierdaru in Spanish (that's what everyone in South America calls p*ru) destroyed any chances of an Hispanic powerful nation and even destroyed any chances of simple friendship among Hispanic nations. They are extreme warmongers that every couple decades go to war with 1 of their neighbours. The worst part is that poopru doesn't even win, they look like Afghanistan, a desert shit hole where houses are made of cardboard and zinc roofs, that's poopru. But they are so evil that, again, every couple decades they go to war and cause as much destruction as possible they don't care if they themselves end up like a shit hole. They betrayed and destroyed Gran Colombia from within for example, despite Bolívar being the most generous with them.
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>>18514562
Widespread worship of magical Cuban flying gods.
Another thing: they are not "Latins" because they don't live in Latium.
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>>18515002
isnt river plate a more euro style climate than tropical?
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>>18514562
The Central and South American Indians had a very stratified class hierarchy who's purpose was to extract wealth from the working class and leave the the workers with exactly enough to survive and no more. It had been that way for hundreds of years before the Spanish, possibly thousands of years.
So when the Spanish arrived, all they had to do was conquer, and insert themselves at the top of the pyramid.
The North American Indians were far scarcer, not good slaves, and resisted far longer. They never had a culture of a rigid class hierarchy meant to extract wealth. This meant the the Western white Euros had to import their own workers and they had to entice them with proper rewards of wealth. Most notably a homestead and land, for no cost, if you could farm it and defend it. They were obligated to give their peasantry a slice of the pie.
So two different cultures developed. The North American culture (excluding Mexico for purposes of this post), that incentivized their workers with the prospects of wealth and ownership and the Central and South American cultures, which were economies of extraction.
And still these fundamental notions are the economic basis for the cultures that exist in the Americas today.
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>>18514562
Economically speaking most of this continent operates under the same economic system as that of Africa: Picking shit up from the ground and selling it to countries in the north. Big agro has held back places like Brazil and Argentina for centuries on end because it's where most of their GDP comes from, mining is very abundant as well. There's a base level of pseudo comfort from strong european influences that makes living in LATAM a smidge above places like Africa, SEA and the middle east but the small amounts of anything resembling actual businesses or industry aint enough to carry it out of the status of being a pseudo colony for all of it's existence. Only the upper class really has any power to make big changes and they are living just fine as is, they have little to no need for highly qualified workers with great standarts of living because their profits dont come from something like electronics, software, banking and whatnot but just food extraction. There's vast fields of just corn, onions, coffe and so on the size of mid sized cities all over the place. Most attempts at trying to do anything else tend to get halted by the weirdly overextending state which is still paid for by large landlords and the lack of market/funding
There was an absolutely fantastic artistic scene from 1860-1960 here though with plenty of just majestic works of literature, music, architecture and art made from the upper class with the same quality as a lot of european classics. A lot of these artists did get taught and inspired by european works though. That rich scene grinded to a halt after the US backed military coups and after the US became the cultural reference for art here instead of Europe leading to a general quality drop to the pseudo hip hop autotuneslop you see today over bossa nova and Borges. The left taking over the art scene here specially hurt as well
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>>18515103
As for the military juntas there was a rapid surge in development around the 30s-60s in LATAM for a variety of reasons, specially because countries in America were at a specially good spot for growth after WW2 decimated a lot of the old world. Most of anything grand and structured built in here was around that time or the time when the spics were so fucking rich off precious metals that they wasted it on big cathedrals to show off. The juntas had a very strong effect on directly putting a stop to any development because a lot of it just boiled down to favor trading between officers and a ton of poorly qualified military officials who didnt have the proper credentials or understanding to run a country got put in positions they couldnt run properly for, ya know, the money. Corruption started running rampant and still is to this day while state bureocracy crawled down to an ineffective near stop slowly becoming unfunctional over time
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>>18515132
And culturally speaking mediocrity is straight up a pattern and desire. Besides near religious worship of the european superiors and feeling of constant defeatism the upper class here has a very violent approwch of just wishing to not be as low as everyone else instead of superior. It reminds me of Cortez writing that Mexico could only possibly run on slaves because the conquistadors were too lazy to work the land they were gifted, as was expected of them and what was going on in places like Germany. They expected to come here and be treated like kings instead of making themselves better. Everything here works to keep the plebs down instead of any idea of a collective national growth like what the United States has. I was always astounded at the level of reverence americans have towards the common blue collar worker man, it's almost a fetish seen in people like Hemmingway for example. As if they are important and deserve respect. Over here if you dont have a degree youre basically relegated to a worthless favela rat and your thoughts dont matter to anyone because you are a worthless favela rat. There is no nation, no ethnicity and no brotherhood there is me and those yucky people who are beneath me and have no redeemable attributes for being yucky rats. I was thankfully raised fairly privileged and upper middle class, I got the chance to study and briefly live in Europe thanks to having double citizenship and seeing what an actually civilized place is like without institutional backstabbing and envy happening 24/7 to everyone around you just felt quite liberating. Of course I came back but I had understood the skaven-like mentality I and almost everyone around me had was what kept this whole place under someone else's boot
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>>18515136
These posts are much better than anything else that will appear in the thread. I'll respond to them individually.
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>>18515103
>Big agro has held back places like Brazil and Argentina for centuries on end because it's where most of their GDP comes from
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>>18515132
Your posts are good, thank you, I want to tackle this tho:
>Big agro has held back places like Brazil and Argentina for centuries on end because it's where most of their GDP comes from, mining is very abundant as well.
Isn't this a good thing in regard to civilizational collapse? When the world collapses, be it ww3 or simply a bit financial crash or the sun destroying all electronics, most "developed first world" nations don't have food security (hell, most of the world lacks food security) but LATAM is almost all food and basic resource production from peasants.
Yes they are poor and they suck now from all modern metrics of progress and development, but wouldn't all that food and farmer/peasant culture mean that once the world collapses through some catastrophe (and it WILL collapse) they would be the most likely to survive? Most of the planet already ignores SA as is.
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>>18515303
>Isn't this a good thing in regard to civilizational collapse? When the world collapses, be it ww3 or simply a bit financial crash or the sun destroying all electronics, most "developed first world" nations don't have food security (hell, most of the world lacks food security) but LATAM is almost all food and basic resource production from peasants.
In times of hardship the peasants are who the food is least likely going to go to, irish potato famine logic, it's a very comfortable position to be able to rely on someone else and unless everyone is REALLY broke this system can keep on. Thousands of tons of food are burnt in a lot of countries all over the world to keep supplies artificially lower so farmers dont sell at a loss, there's piles of food being burnt and ive personally seen an entire river turn white from a big milk seller near my family's country house. These systems can usually function automatically with machines beyond a couple farmhands to operate them or keep shit in check but it's a smaller number than say slave farms which had less than 1% of the raw output. However most of our growth and advances in industry came from the post WW1 and post WW2 era where this system wasnt as sustainable so it's possible we might see other fields outshining sectors related to that
In regards to total warfare LATAM tends to stay off people's radar due to good diplomacy, they hardly have any straight up enemies as much as the US, Britain, Russia and so on. If half of the western world collapses it can rest safe because it's a low priority target with most places here taking even longer than the US to join the war. It's also fairly great when it comes to climate conditions with only some places in Chile and Brazil facing droughts and arid terrain but major climate disaster like earthquakes and tornados are hardly ever an issue compared to some other places in the world. [1/2]
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>>18515407
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Personally I dont think the peasant/farmer side would save it but the sheer abundance of natural resources every which way does grant LATAM self sustanence. If Brazil decided to pull a North Korea and isolate itself from the rest of the world completely the population would hardly ever starve or lack much beyond decent computers, phones and cars but all the bases would be covered. Pushing it Argentina can pull the same and if youre REALLY pushing it maybe Chilr
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>>18514565
>They are extreme warmongers ... The worst part is that poopru doesn't even win, they look like Afghanistan, a desert shit hole where houses are made of cardboard and zinc roofs, that's poopru.
I'm not getting involved but I can see Peru being like scary/evil Latams, saw pictures of Lima and the way the city is built along a line of black cliffs looks scary as shit. You know some people got tossed to their deaths from that over the centuries. Also saw videos of chud injuns being all like PERU STRONG and banging drums con los militares por la patria
https://youtu.be/pfTmuzwpBAE
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>>18515765
As a nord I'm not very impressed with Portugal and do not believe the failure of Brazil is due to the lack of Portuguese genetic supremacy there. Portugal would have to be an economic powerhouse first.
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>>18515773
>resource rich
>great weather
>lots of great empty stretches of land
>plenty of natives willing to collaborate out of their own volition
How did the portuguese fuck up that badly? They had the potential to being Eden back
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>>18514601
lmao shut up manolo, your ancestors were moor-brained subhuman freaks who loved to race mix and were lucky there were whole civilizations dying off old world diseases where they weren't able to properly fight back
when the manolos were met with proper warfare by the northern tribes which also were centuries behind the spaniards they pussied out and didn't want to continue fighting and gave them some cloth n other goods to calm them down lmao
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>>18514565
Chilean or Argentine detected
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Everyone who blames the Indians is just coping.
Peruvians independently invented a complex civilization of millions in an absolute SHITHOLE, before even the Egyptians did, then formed a giant empire of 12+ million people in which hunger had been completely obliterated. Their rule was far, far more stable and prosperous than the corrupt nonsense we have now
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>>18516056
The Incans ARE NOT PERUVIANS, Incans are actually hated in Peru. Peruvians are the mestizos, the ones who think themselves white. Incans are the proud Indios. white and mestizo Peruvians trying to steal the credit for the Incan empire is a travesty because Peruvians actively discriminate and treat their Indio population as worse than second class citizens. With majority Indio towns neglected and hated.
Incans are cool, Peruvians aren't Incas.
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>>18516056
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To add to my point that peruvians aren't Incas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_sterilization_in_Peru
They literally sterilized the native population as much as possible. To claim peru is in any way proud of their Indio ancestry is a fucking lie, peruvians are not the same people as Incas, they are soulless south americans with stupid delusions of whiteness, they hate their actual ancestors. Ecuador have a better claim to the Inca empire because they actually idolize Inca leaders like Atahualpa and aren't going around sterilizing Indios compared to peru.
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>>18514562
First contact.
Imagine if Columbus had never discovered the New World.
We wouldn’t have Old World scum shitting up everything and Indio BVLLs were in charge instead.
We’d have moon colonies speaking Nahuatl and Quechua right now.
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>>18516132
You’d think so and yet the Aztecs had sophisticated mathematics and astronomy.
Also you have no sources for those numbers.
Also ALSO Europoors were burning people for interpreting the Bible wrong around the same time despite rediscovering Greek and Latin knowledge.
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>>18516173
No black country is more developed than argentina or chile.
There is a reason we are massive invaded by carribeans and indios.
Argentina is southafrica or Australia equivalent, but we dont have brothers like them.
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>>18516897
Chile is literally an Indio nation, they are developed showing that Indios are good and smart people. Meanwhile argentina is not as developed as say brazil, you lost all you wars against brazil (a country of majority Black men and like 10% whites, certainly a lot less whites than argentina). What would that evidence show mmm? Maybe being white doesn't mean intelligence or development?
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>>18516097
I talked to doctors who carried that program in '90s Peru. They didn't see it like that. For them, it was about controlling future famine and poverty while the country was dead broke and going through a population boom. A lot of them pulled themselves out of poverty and had rural/indigenous parents too.
It's not like they were hunting for indigenous women to sterilize, the real target was poor women who already had a bunch of kids, but the country's overwhelmingly indigenous, so the two groups overlapped. Back then, the whole thing wasn't controversial and for all intents and purposes got forgotten after the '90s. It wasn't until around 2010 that the American-backed kike candidate's team artificially pumped it back up with obviously fake protests initially.
It wasn't as forced as you imply either. They had to ask the patient first, but sometimes the message couldn't be properly conveyed. And the numbers vary radically, depending on the political leaning of the source.
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>>18514562
not sure desu.
Overwhelmingly we see that the Iberian powers were the common denominators. Both set up systems that were largely geared around resource extraction and population exploitation to the detriment of anything else. Colonial technological development was discouraged and ingrained in the people a certain level of dependence on central authority and the Crowns armies. This wasn't present in the continents 2 nations that actually prospered. Individualism, at times to the point that governing became difficult, was systemically rewarded and necessary if affordable land holdings would be procured by individuals.
Additionally and in general, the relative homogeneity of the culture of Canadians and Americans, or at least the refusal by settlers to massively adopt or recognize native cultures, allowed legitimate central authority to radiate from the crown and Washington respectively with very little opposition from any groups increasing in size. In Latin America, not only were the centers of power undefined prior to independence, their legitimacy was entirely based on violence. Leading any group to seek independence for any reason so long as they had the force to defend it. You see this numerous times in Brazilian history and the breakup of Grand Colombia to name some prominent examples.
Essentially the foundations of most if not all of these nations were done out of convenience for the people in power, over a system built to extract wealth from a society built from its foundations as a caste system of exploitation. Because fundamentally Spain and Portugal were very much transitioning from a feudal system when they founded their colonies and only begrudgingly accepting of the mercantilism due to the extraction of silver and trade of raw goods emerging as standards of the world economy.
They didn't have the property and individual rights northern european colonial empires were spreading and capitalizing on to drive settlement.
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>>18517341
That might be a societal difference in early post-colonial Latin America in relation to post colonial USA and colonial Canada. But moreover to revisit my point about legitimacy essentially being won at the point of a musket. This is actually maybe one of the biggest problems with Latin America historically. Most of their nations did not come about entirely organically. Insofar as a society developed in a geographic region, and they pushed on their neighbors, grew, conquered, and imposed the legitimacy of their laws over those they could dominate. Many broke away from larger administrative divisions, using a smaller local city as a bastion of power for the local elites. This describes most of Central America. Wherein we see the same pattern of the nation existing for the convenience of the powerful within that region.
This does not mean that the nations founded like this are doomed forever to languish in mediocrity and poverty, or that their people can't have distinct localized identities. It does however mean that the foundational legitimacy of the state is prone to being undermined by anyone that feels wronged by it. And the people are prone to follow anyone that can hold the state.
This has seen the nations of latin america be prone to a degree of instability not regularly seen anywhere else that does not also share a colonial past (like Africa does). This instability dissuades foreign investment, promotes nepotism, decreases the rate of upward mobility, discourages meritocracy, promotes an immovable elite class, and for talented individuals watching this, it ingrains a sense of cynicism toward the nation and its people. These are things that the US and Canada did not need to contend with. That and the fact that both were growing ever westward. It stands to reason that the only 2 LA nations that somewhat mimicked this, Brazil and Argentina, have been (historically) some of its most prosperous.
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>>18516981
>they are developed
They're really not. I don't think a single nation in Latin America is "developed". Right now in June of 2026 the leading contender is maybe Mexico. Maybe. That should tell you something. Everyone else is at some stage of completely fucked or just exists there.
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>>18517388
>Everyone else is at some stage of completely fucked or just exists there.
And I'd categorize Mexico as "not irrevocably fucked right at this moment".
All its going to take is Trump going full monkey mode or the US economy imploding when AI collapses and they're going to be right back where they've always been at "I'm going to be developed now guise!! this time for reals!!"
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>>18516056
Crazy that those Iberian spic monkey barbarians destroyed this for no reason and replaced it with a rape victim slave colony economic zone that produces nothing. South America had the biggest fall off of any continent because of those freaks, Spaniards and Portuguese were proto globalists. How can Mongols be demonized even worse than those filthy animals?
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>>18516056
Which is why I find Peru so strange. Unlike pretty much every other Latin American nation they can actually trace their nations legitimacy back to a precolonial state. Which they could theoretically mimic to stabilize their nation and make it resistant to the meddling of out groups and domestic strongmen alike. But there too we have seen instability and the use of the state for the benefit of the few instead of the nation. Yes, some blame can be attributed to the systems and cities founded by the Spaniards, but by and large it seems to be that the Peruvians themselves have badly managed their nation.
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