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>>18515700
>White Islam
lol
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>>18515447
The simple answer is that it depends on how you define Christian. If you define a Christian as a follower of Jesus Christ as the messiah, then yes they are Christian. If you define it as a follower of the trinity and Nicean creed, then no they aren't Christian. From a non-Christian perspective, the former is a far more accurate descriptor than the latter, so I would regard Mormons as Christians, just heterodoxical Christians.
Though I wish Mormons would just do as the Moonies did and stop trying to seek approval from trinitarians. It's pathetic. If you genuinely think you're the true church of God, then you really shouldn't give a shit what other untrue churches think about you but Mormons seem to be constantly seeking their approval, especially under the leadership of Nelson which was such a sorry clown show.
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>>18515727
Which doesn't mean anything as cult just means religion that is small, new, or simply disliked. Many Evangelicals consider Catholicism to be a cult and vice versa. Many ex-Christians consider all of Christianity to be a cult. Bahai is also consider a cult by many. The word doesn't truly mean anything.
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>>18515791
>or else he would have established Mormonism as a Muslim faith, not a Christian faith.
It's not that simple, like the other anon said, both Mormons and Muslims believe in Jesus in addition to their respective Prophets and teachings. He recognized Mormonism as a branch of Christianity as he understood Islam to ultimately be a branch of Christianity so-to-speak
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>>18515796
Mormons and Muslims have opposite views on Christ and God, not similar views.
In Mormonism, Christ is God (a distinct being from the Father but united in purpose as God along with the Holy Spirit in the Godhead) and that there are multitudes of gods beyond just the Godhead, with any man having the capacity to become God. In Islam, Christ is purely man, a prophet no different from Moses or Abraham though highly blessed by God on his miracles and ascension and there is strictly only one God. Christ is not God nor is Muhammad nor can anyone become God nor was God ever man nor does God have flesh and bone (unlike in Mormonism where he is a being of flesh and bone).
The similarities between Mormonism and Islam are as superficial as the similarities between Catholicism and Islam. You can equally stretch comparisons regarding belief but the fact remains that they are more dissimilar than similar in belief. Equating the two, be it Mormonism and Islam or Catholicism and Islam, is simply ludicrous.
There is also no evidence that Smith ever intended to compare the two religions of Mormonism and Islam as one, only making a comparison to himself and Muhammad. And even this comparison is based on one anectodal claim.
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>>18515825
>Mormons and Muslims have opposite views on Christ and God, not similar views.
I know but that's besides the point
>The similarities between Mormonism and Islam are as superficial as the similarities between Catholicism and Islam.
No. Catholics still believe in Jesus as their sole prophet and the Bible as their sole religious text. Mormons and Muslims are definitely more similar than Catholics and Muslims are
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>>18515830
That is exactly the point. What are you arguing if not the comparison between Mormonism and Islam? As that's what I'm addressing, that the comparison is illogical and superficial.
Catholics do not consider Jesus to be the sole prophet. Every old testament prophet leading up to John the Baptist are considered prophets. They just don't believe in continuous prophet as Mormons do. But neither do Muslims, who similarly believe that Muhammad was the final prophet, unlike Mormons who believe that every president of the church is just as much of a prophet as Abraham was. Are Catholics and Muslims essentially the same due to this superficial similarity on there no longer being prophets? Hardly. Same goes for the other superficial similarties between Mormons and Muslims. There remains far more differences than similarities in belief.
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>>18516207
He prophecied so he's a prophet. He saw that disciple under the tree that time so he's a prophet. He could see so he's a prophet. Being a prophet doesn't exclude him from being something else but he was a prophet.
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>>18515447
Jews are closer than mormons
mormons and 7th day Adventists are something else
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>>18517757
I doubt any Muslim would describe themselves as followers of Christ. They believe he was a prophet but they do not follow him, only Muhammad and Allah. Christianity is specifically focused on following Christ, which Mormons do despite having modern day prophets.