OP here. Also I'd like to use this thread as an opportunity to talk about my god, Ganesh.

>>18515614
Nietzsche collapsed after writing the anti-christ cause he realized christkeks have irreparably destroyed the world and severed the west from most of its cultural heritage.

without 4chan you'd have nowhere to express this drivel, nobody would stand and wait for you to finish

>>18515614
They restricted cousin marriage (for their own selfish reasons) and that’s about it

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>>18515614
No correlation o algo

>>18515675
This only happened when Europe became secular and less Christian

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>>18515614
Why would you need any of that when you have the bible?

Christianity is a fucking disease bro it's singular mission is destroying humanity.

Any religion that rules through fear is a false religion.

>>18515614
You have Christians to thank for preserving the classics we have now, actually.
You're so fucking retarded, you refuse to acknowledge that Christians did any good for the world because you're blinded with hatred for God because you love being a retarded homosexual.

>>18515614
>Why massive population decline in every city after oppressive blasphemy laws and the routine burning of heretics?

I don't think that affected population growth. The decline in the european population was more due to plagues.

>>18515759
The onset of Christianity is what stopped the preservation of pagan traditions in the first place. Some Christians preserving a couple texts relating to larger traditions isn’t a service to paganism, it’s more like putting a bandaid on a stab-wound that you inflicted. Imagine if I lit your house on fire and burned it to the ground, but went inside and grabbed your television and handed it to you before it got destroyed. Would you get on your knees and thank me? Obviously not.

Besides, pagans had already been copying and preserving these texts for centuries and would have continued to do so without Christianity. Christianity was absolutely not necessarily for the preservation of these texts.

Also you worship the shitstain demon Yahweh-Typhon, the actual most high is Zeus yet you slander him with labels like “false god,” “demon”, or “fallen angel”. Enjoy Tartarus for your impiety.

>>18515759
Christkeks create the problem they claim to be an answer to lol. Yeah 99% of ancient literature was destroyed but at least we got some scraps reinterpreted by christkeks based on how good or bad it made them feel

>>18515614
christianity was improved during the great schism
catholicism took elements from hellenic paganism, which led europe to the renaissance

>>18515614
>If Christianity was a good thing for Europe, why was no aqueduct rebuilt?
They were and new ones were constructed. This was often even driven by monks and monasteries for Pete's sake:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/mnlf9n/when_the_romans_left_england_and_left_behind/gtyhsly/

>>18515614
You're just conflating the collaps of Western Rome with the rise of christianity.

>>18515614
I think the Germanic invasions were good so I like the "Dark Ages."

>>18515614
>What good did Christianity do for Europe?
It saved countless souls, which is the primary function of the religion. Salvation.

>>18515759
Wow thanks Christians for not destroying some of it

>>18516521
Saved them from whomst and whatst?

>>18516834
From the passage of time. Scrolls deteriorate and storage space gets repurposed for more pressing matters. Compared to other religions, Christians (and to a lesser degree, Muslims) invested an exceptional amount of effort to save bits of history, often even ones they disagreed with, for the future generations.

>>18516841
Scrolls certainly do, but the post I was replying to was talking about souls.

>>18515759
>heh, monks saved most pagan literature don't ya know?
>just ignore the fact that early Christian mobs burned books and destroyed sculptures
>WTFF how could these mudslimes convert the hagia Sophia into a mosque? Remove kebab!
>umm sweaty, those pagan temples would've fallen to ruin if we didn't pillage them and convert them into churches ya know?
Christcuck logic be like

>>18516950
I think the logic is mostly 'losing texts to time was the standard and Christians did the most to counter-act it'.

>>18516971
Except pagans had already been copying these texts for centuries and would have continued to do so without Christianity; it's foolish to suggest that Christianity was somehow necessary for their preservation (especially when pagan institutions that had already been preserving them for centuries like temple libraries and Neoplatonist academies were literally shut down by Christians). It’s less that Christianity “saved” the classics but rather they became the sole librarians after they helped dismantle the competition.

>>18517200
>to suggest that Christianity was somehow necessary for their preservation
I think the suggestion is 'losing texts to time was the standard and Christians did the most to counter-act it'.
>pagans had already been copying these texts for centuries
They lost most of their texts. Plato is kind of an exception, but 80% Aristotle's work is lost to time and a decent part of that loss happened before Christ was even born, 3rd-1st century BC.
>Neoplatonist academies were literally shut down by Christians
And yet, despite opposing the institution to the point of the emperor himself shutting it down, neoplatonic texts were preserved by Christians so well that we are currently seeing a near-revival of the movement among cogsci enthusiasts. QED

>>18515614
Just think of where we'd be if we hadn't had the dark ages because of Christianity.

>>18515614
>Christianity did not just corrupt
Christianity didn't do shit. The Romans left, removing an entire layer of organisation.

>>18517243
>Christians did the most to counter-act it'.
They didn't, they shut down pagan temples that had already done the job fine without them. The loss of classical texts lies solely on Christians since they actively refused to copy down texts they didn’t see as “useful,” even if pagans saw them as immensely valuable. The texts we do have only survived because they were essential for teaching Greek and Latin grammar or rhetoric (Virgil was the standard for Latin and you needed Aristotle to win debates), not because Christians appreciated the content itself which was pagan and thus considered by Christians to be “demonic superstition.”
>a decent part of that loss happened before Christ was even born, 3rd-1st century BC.
Other way around retard, the vast majority of texts were lost after paganism was outlawed in the 4th and 5th centuries AD. Explicitly anti-Christian works like Porphyry of Tyre’s 15-volume refutation of Christianity titled Against the Christians were intentionally destroyed because, well, they were explicitly anti-Christian.
>neoplatonic texts were preserved by Christians so well
Not well enough since the Chaldean Oracles aren’t preserved.

>>18515626
Nietzsche's claims make no sense even treating the Bible as literature. The characterization of 'slave morality' is easily countered by the fact so many prominent Biblical figures were literal nobles and exemplified noble virtues.

It's best to take Nietzsche as using Christians to symbolize a particular kind of moral reasoning which he finds deplorable, but for which the actual symbol doesn't really matter beyond being recognizable.

Of course Nietzschefags are obsessed with interpreting his philosophy in the most juvenile and superficial way possible, thus ensuring they mine no genuine insight beyond the textual equivalent of a soijak meme.

>>18517355
Your only example of something not being preserved is an explicitly anti-Christian work which you then extrapolate to mean anything not immediately useful for Christianity. This is a dishonest framing.

>>18515614
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