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>>18515636
Most people in the world operate on cargo cult logic rather than "faith."
I don't know the ramifications of the fact the only philosopher who seemed to understand "faith" was a Danish autist in the 1800s but they probably don't bode well for the human race.
What I am referring to is that people don't understand what Jesus is. They think everything is sort of like luck. And that by kissing statues or making prostrations or crossing yourself etc they can increase their chances of "Jesus luck." Similar to how cargo cultists would build effigies of planes to "bring" airplanes to the village delivering cargo. No idea *what* an airplane is. Not *faith* in an airplane, or they wouldn't need to build effigies at all. Just a sort of "increase the odds to win" logic.
They don't actually believe that Jesus Christ paid for their sins. They just want more Jesus-luck.
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>>18515657
please just try to not samefag so obviously
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>>18515656
I'm a Christian.
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picrel
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>>18515636
It doesn't matter if I rape and mutilate young children and then sharpen their bones for toothpicks.
Because I accepted Jesus into my heart. I'm going to heaven. I know I'm going to heaven because I accepted Jesus.
It doesn't matter that St. Paul said to work out our faith with fear and trembling because I have an interpretation of scripture that says I go to heaven no matter what.
What is my interpretation based on? On the scriptures dude. Nevermind that the ten thousand other denominations also base their interpretation on scripture. They're wrong and I'm right.
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>>18515684
>It doesn't matter if I rape and mutilate young children and then sharpen their bones for toothpicks.
>Because I accepted Jesus into my heart. I'm going to heaven. I know I'm going to heaven because I accepted Jesus.
Interesting how your mind immediately went to that. After all, God is he who "searcheth the reins and the hearts" and "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."
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>>18515686
Heretical to actual Christianity, yes. Only protestants believe in "faith alone".
They literally believe that they are guaranteed entry to heaven by simply "accepting Jesus". After you accept Jesus (no one can define what this means) then it doesn't matter if you rape and murder because you still go to heaven.
Actual Christians don't believe in this nonsense. Protestants love their easy, lukewarm heresy which requires no repentance or struggle.
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>>18515690
>After you accept Jesus (no one can define what this means)
It is when you believe and accept that Jesus, as infinite God, has made an infinite atonement for your sins to the Father in Heaven.
Or do you think Jesus, infinite God, only atoned for a few of your sins? Is he lacking in ability?
>Actual Christians don't believe in this nonsense. Protestants love their easy, lukewarm heresy which requires no repentance or struggle.
You don't actually believe repentance matters. You believe eating a cookie matters. If you believed repenting of your sins was a requirement to go to Heaven you'd realize you'd never make it their, for "there is none good but one, that is God."
All sin is *worthy* of Hell, you must actually believe this in your heart before you can accept the propitiation which is in Jesus Christ.
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>>18515706
None of what you're saying matters because you can't justify your interpretation of the scripture.
Christianity is not a book based religion, only protestantism is. Orthodoxy has the deposit of faith passed down from the apostles through Holy Tradition. Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.
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>>18515713
>Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.
I'm Anglican (ACNA) and our bishops have had hands laid on them in ordination tracing back to the Apostles. Most of our bishops publicly display their lineage documents. So if apostolic succession is your only concern, you can come off it.
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>>18515713
>None of what you're saying matters because you can't justify your interpretation of the scripture.
You have to be over 18 to post here.
If you are, well then I'm not shocked you've read literally nothing on theology until you were exposed to orthotwitter and then glommed onto it because it was le exotic.
You already and easily resort to just going "nuh uh" because you've ran out of arguments.
>Orthodoxy has the deposit of faith passed down from the apostles through Holy Tradition.
This is what I mean. Which* orthodoxy? There's quite a few.
>Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.
I don't 100% align with Martin Luther or John Calvin but you have read literally nothing they wrote if you believe this.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
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>>18515728
Apostolic succession is not my main concern, otherwise the Catholics would have the true faith too. I'm concerned with the fact that the Catholics preach heretical doctrine, and so do the Anglicans considering that you ordinated a WOMAN to be your head bishop. If that doesn't convince you that Anglicanism is a total clown show joke heresy then nothing will.
>>18515730
>doesn't even attempt to justify his interpretation of scripture
I'll take that as your concession. You know it's true that your interpretation is relative and any argument you make after that point is irrelevant. Your whole worldview is based on nothing.
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>>18515745
If I posted scripture you'd just say "nuh uh"
"There is none good but one, that is God" SHOULD be enough for anyone with an honest heart to further search the scriptures, but alas. "Many good works have I done in thy name, Lord!" will be a verbatim quote from you at the Judgement.
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>>18515753
You believe God can't write a book, but some guys in dresses can teach you about God. You actually believe in Jesus-luck, as previously discussed. Wizard robes = more magical = higher Jesus-luck. And so on and so forth.
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>>18515756
Umm no. I believe in smoke-machines and rock concert rap church.
I go to RHYTHM church yo and my pastor has a broccoli haircut. We saved twenty people last week because they accepted the LORD.
Don't ask me who compiled the bible because I don't want to think about that.
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>>18515810
Alright, forgive me. What are the opinions of people in your parish?
>>18515812
Here comes the faggot pharisees to tell the rest of us we're not pious like he is. It doesn't matter what I do as long as I already accepted Jesus, bro.
>>18515814
Name one female priest from "the first generations"
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>>18515832
>Alright, forgive me.
Done and done, anon. Won't think of it again.
>What are the opinions of people in your parish.
We don't like the ordination of women in our church because it's explicitly in 2 Timothy that women are not to teach men. There is some question as to whether 2 Timothy was actually written by Paul or not, but we all agree on its validity.
In essence you can think of us more along the lines of Old Catholics, like before the whole, "The pope is infallible thing." We use the creeds, we take communion every week, we baptize babies and confirm them later in life when they accept Jesus as their savior.
What else would you like to know?
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>>18515847
She was named a deacon, a role essentially interchangeable with priests in the early church (2 Timothy 4:5, where the same term means 'ministry')
but I guess you didn't even know that, which is why I said you are coping
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>>18515863
Before that, even repentance is necessary to be faithful to Christ.
>From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
You can't have faith in Christ in the first place if you don't believe Him when He says you need to repent.
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>>18515860
The word 'deacon' is taken from the Greek word διάκονος (diakonos) which directly translates directly to 'servant' or 'helper'. Does not necessarily mean a priestly position, and St. Paul uses the word to refer to other people who are not clergy.
Saint Phoebe and other women in this role were designed to give pastoral care to women and children. They aided in baptisms, as they used to be done naked. But they were not priestly positions, so women still did not hold positions of clergy.
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>>18515868
According to Lutheran theology, the work of repentance is not necessary for salvation through faith ALONE. Astonishing ignorance on display here.
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>>18515874
There is no reason that it doesn't mean a ministerial position, especially how Paul uses it in the salutation in Romans. In fact, how she chief receives the first greeting of the section and how he asks for the church to receive her implies that she is indeed being sent in a ministerial role rather than a mere servant.
You're coping again.
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>>18515882
There are exceptional cases - especially when it comes to holy people - where women can administer a pastoral or ministerial role for other women without being a part of the clergy. There is no evidence for example that she administered the sacraments, which would prove that she actually held the office of priesthood. Paul specifically wrote that women were not to teach men.
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>>18515885
>Paul specifically wrote that women were not to teach men.
Of the undoubted letters, he does not. 2 Corinthians 14:34 plainly contradicts his earlier discussion in 11 which flatly assumes women both praying and prophesizing in church, to the extent it is either a later addition by the ossifying Pauline school or a reference to the conflict in the Corinthian church which we will never know.
Again you are coping. Why do you think we are not equal in Christ? Do you think he does not unite all creation in Him?
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>>18515890
Dude your interpretation of scripture is literally as valuable as the schizophrenic homeless man taking a dump next to the bus station.
You're not in the historic church which is why you believe in some fringe marxist-feminist retardation that justifies itself by "doubting" the actual scripture that real Christians adhere to.
What even is your canon of scripture?
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>>18515892
>it’s hard
not in the text
>few are those who find it
because they are blinded by pride. "ears to hear," remember?
You really think that "its hard to get saved" is "literally the point" of the Gospel? the "Good News?"
Rather, it is few who are able to set aside their pride and admit that all their works are as "filthy rags" before God. Again, the cry of the multitudes of the damned on judgment day will be "many good works have we done in your name, Lord!"... do you think that the people who trusted in Jesus alone ("sola fide" etc.) would shout this?
Rather,
>And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
>For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
>But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
There is none righteous, not one, including you, I, and everyone. Let your deeds be reproved, that you may "do truth."
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>>18515639
You're so fucked. :)
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>>18515907
Unrepentant murderers, whoremongers, and all liars will all go into the fire.
He who *overcomes* and holds fast will inherit all things.
Jesus doesn't give you permission to lie with the shedding of his blood on the cross, just because you believe.
His sacrifice is not a free pass to sin, it is the central tenet of the call to repent and the hope of life.
REPENT
SINNER
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>>18516915
>Unrepentant murderers, whoremongers, and all liars will all go into the fire.
Correct. You don't believe the Gospel. Ergo, you have not repented, and you will be found a liar.
>Jesus doesn't give you permission to lie
Correct. No one ever gets permission to lie. The Saved never have permission. But so long as we have the "body of this death," sin reigns in our mortal members.
>shedding of his blood on the cross
You're right, Jesus didn't shed his blood to "give permission" to sin, so what did he do? Give remission for sins. Including all the sins you'd ever commit before you were ever born. But when you're at the judgement, and you tell Jesus "I do not trust that your blood covered me", he'll hold you to it, and send you to Hell.
The problem is that you do not understand the severity of your sins. You sin every single day without even knowing it. Everyone does.
For in the Psalms it is written
>Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
>Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
"all sin is transgression of the Law" says Scripture. In the New Testament, when a believer sins, they "transgress the Law."
And according to Paul
>For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
>But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Do you believe you are righteous enough to continue in all things in the Law? Do you believe you are righteous enough to not have secret faults? That you can understand your own errors?
"Yeah, let God be true, and every man a liar"
You're already a liar. Every man is. You either trust in Jesus and his omnipotence, or you trust in yourself, and use Jesus-Luck as a crutch.
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>>18516931
>knew of his church
Irrelevant. People were saved prior to the New Testament Church.
>who through no fault of their own never heard the name of Christ, or his gospel,
The word of God has been preached to every nation and people on Earth. Either by the Holy Prophets, or the Apostles of Jesus Christ. Starting with Noah, God's Word was given to all nations of the Earth. The Prophets preached to all nations of the Earth. So too did the Apostles. There is no nation on Earth that is without excuse before God.
And every man's conscience contains God's Law written in his heart, which ought to compel him to seek the Word in the first place.
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>>18515636
There is no once saved always saved. People who havent read the bible believe that nonsense.
A christian must keep the sabbath and stop eating pork or they are going to the lake of fire
https://youtu.be/aNjiG2NavR0
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>>18516936
Born again Christians who have recieved the Holy Spirit will be cast into hell if they are doing the sins listed in Galatians 5:19-21 and Revelation 21:8 and no matter how much you try to jew around looking for loopholes, you will spend eternity in hell because you were decieved by a false doctrine called "eternal security". Jesus never preached it, he preached conditional salvation. No matter how much scripture I show you, you will never admit to being wrong because all you people are under a strong delusion.
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>>18516936
If you have not repented of the lie, the truth is not in you.
You are not faithful to the truth, when you lie.
To faithfully tell the truth, it's necessary for you to not lie about it.
It is just like that.
You cannot live a lie, live by the lie and despise truth, and live in Christ at the same time.
Choose one. Fidelity is not in a spouse who lies to their partner about their affair.
It's Christ's truth, Christ's faith, that saves you.
Not your own faith, his faith. That has to be your faith, and his faith is true.
Taking up the cross truly, your own cross and following him, not just paying lip service to it but really walking the way.
>Jesus luck
you don't know what blessings are for
must mean nothing to you, an empty gesture with no true power behind it, no Holy Spirit
>>18516941
Not answering the question.
There are many people who died without hearing the name of Jesus, after his ministry on earth. They lived in different continents, died before any apostle or discipline could reach them, any number of things.
You seem to not want to say they are damned, even though they could not possibly have knowingly committed faith in him and his sacrifice.
The only way Jesus would ever save these people is if they believe on and glorify him? That he will save them, but only if they believe it. You would need to know his name for that, right? It's not just any guy.
Or is there some sense you could know him, without knowing his name. Some way you could know his name, even what he taught, but not him.
Might it be some are, that they actually lived according to or exemplified at some point his commandments in the spirit of love and forgiveness, because they listened to their conscience and despite not having the privilege of hearing the true gospel like many who have the opportunity and leave it behind, and he will have mercy on them.
That they are united to and in his body in the same sense that he is one with his Father, through love. Loving truth even.
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haha actually the sign of the cross is idolatry you're in a cargo cult lol
oh wait it's 2000 years old soon and protestants refuse to make the sign of the cross because they're scared the devil will make them Catholic even though it's just as likely they might contract eastern orthodoxy instead
being crucified with Christ unto the world
nah, who needs that in their life regularly enough they would physically trace the cross over their own bodies to remember that we are conformed to his image
a little reminder
DIE TO SIN now
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>>18517617
>how are people who never heard of Jesus condemned to hell?
He will never give you a clear answer to this question because he's under the protestant delusion that he's a modern "prophet" and literally has a direct line of communication with the holy spirit.
I'm not kidding. That is literally what this guy believes and the reason he made this thread is to stand on a soap box and preach because he believes that God has bestowed the grace of public evangelism on him.
He is literally possessed by a demon.
>>18516941
>The word of God has been preached to every nation and people on Earth.
False. Because YOU have not heard the word of God, neither have the majority of protestants.
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>>18517744
I have been perfectly clear, making sound arguments from the Word of God each time (which you never address; you just use arguments from your own conscience rather than addressing the Scriptures I've shown). An impartial observer would realize. To accuse me of lacking clarity; well, I suppose you accuse the Bible of lacking clarity. So whatever.
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