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>>18516167
Not really?
Even that was in service of his autistic obsession with realpolitik. After Prussia won in 1866 he was in a perfect position to unify not just the German states but all of Austria as well but he chose the kleindeutsch lösung literally just because doing otherwise “would upset the balance of power”.
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>>18516167
He did it because he wanted Prussia to secure regional hegemony, he wasn't a "real" German nationalist in that sense, hence why Austria and Switzerland were simply irrelevant to him on that matter.
The real "under Vaterland muss größer sein!" types recognize this and on the other side of the coin, even Wilhelm I feared that Prussia was going to "disappear/dissolve" into the Bismarckian Germany, which turned out to be eerily true.b
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>>18516174
Annexing Austria in 1866 would've been a colossal undertaking, just because they decisively lost a campaign didn't mean they'd surrender their own sovereignity completely and dissolve a centuries old Habsburgian Empire. For better or worse, old shit really does gain legitimacy by virtue of being old and the Habsburg's stitched up state of varying realms had become a cornerstone of Europe and the identity of people who inhabited it, genuine loyalty to the (Habsburg) Emperor existed in that territory and the intrusion of a Prussian takeover wouldn't be unopposed.
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>>18516191
You will be next once Russia and Ukraine don't fighting.
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>>18516167
Remember if he had accepted the offered foreign minister role by the Kaiser in 1898, he would have signed a non-aggression pact with France, then a friendship treaty during the Boer War, and finally gotten Germany to join the Entente in 1905. The same year, he could have died at the exact age of Churchill.
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>>18516186
Fucking retard.
Junkers and nazies were the polar opposite.
Junkers were aristrocratic bourgeoisie. Nazies were basically racist working class revolutionaries. Thats why Hitler hated the army above all other military branches. It was filled with "Von" surnames, people who had inherited their titles and looked down on Der Fuhrer for being nothing but a bohemian corporal.
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>>18517233
>people who had inherited their titles and looked down on Der Fuhrer for being nothing but a bohemian corporal
There weren't nobles in the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine too who looked down on him? Only instance I know of this is Paulus.
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>>18517457
The luftwaffe was basically founed during the NSDAP regime so it was stacked with die-hard nazi officers. The airforce was without a doubt the most loyal of all military branches.
The navy had been pretty much gutted by Versailles and restored under NSDAP regime so it was also largely stacked with party-approved officers.
The army was a completely different game however since it had survived ww1 and was still overwhelmingly filled with conservative aristocratic junkers. Hitler considered the army his greatest obstacle because it was the only organisation in Germany that could threaten him and never had his absolute loyalty, and he dared not push it too hard (Röhm suggested purging it completely).
As the war started to go badly Hitler increasingly blamed the army for the failure of the war, that he lost the war because of the independence of the army, that he should have purged it while he had the chance.
And no I am not trying to push any "clean Wehrmacht" myth. They absolutely did their part, that's not my point. My point is that Hitler never had the control of the army that he desired until mid-1944 after the failed assassination.
The army likewise had very clear disdain for Hitler because he came from humble origins and was a revolutionary which threatened the traditional Prussian aristrocratic order.
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>>18517233
You’re focusing too much on the differences and ignoring the similarities.
Both men hated communism and the proletariat Both saw Poles as beneath them. Both wanted to expand Germany’s borders east (drang nach osten and lebensraum). Both were incredibly jingoistic. You get the gist.
The best thing you can say about Bismarck is that he at least didn’t carry out a genocide unlike Hitler (although if we’re being honest he probably would have done so if given the chance).
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>>18517758
I have no doubt that they were German nationalists who still affirmed to the Kaisers vision that 'Germany deserves a place in the sun' - and everything that comes with it.
Doesnt change the fact however that before international policies first comes domestic policies, and the point still stands that they were far more protective of their own hierarchy towards the NSDAP who were seen as revolutionary peasant upstickets whom just like the socialists were there to reform German society and threaten the traditional Prussian aristocracy. Nearly half of Mein Kampf (if you bother to read it) is Hitler ranting about the evils of the junkers, and any Hitler-expert historian will tell you that Hitler absolutely hated the army because it was stacked with aristocratic junker officers who refused to give their absolute loyalty to him. Hitler had to constantly make ideological concessions once he seized power in order to not provoke a coup from the army, and ensure stability.