People have a more positive view of other people the less they know of them.
People got to experience the effect of immigrations.
"This wasn't as fancy as my naivete had me believe."
Happens over and over again

After the inner cities were slums full of Ellis Islanders who came from countries and cultures totally alien to Anglo-Germanic Protestant values.

>>18516922
>People have a more positive view of other people the less they know of them.

other people the less I know of them - :(
other people the less I know of them but they're japanese - :O

>Waves of anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire following the assassination of Alexander II drove Jews to America in the tens of thousands--unlike other immigrant groups who came from peasant backgrounds, they were an urban people with experience in handicrafts or business. Most remained urban and were accused of being difficult to Americanize.

>About 25% of all European immigrants in 1880-1920 were temporary workers who stayed for a few years to earn money and went back home. For those who stayed, Americanization was inevitable and the children and grandchildren of these immigrants had completely broken with the ways of the old country.

>>18516979
>For those who stayed, Americanization was inevitable and the children and grandchildren of these immigrants had completely broken with the ways of the old country.
IDK who wrote this but many Ellis Islanders totally never assimilated. Italians especially.

>>18516986
This, Italians still shit in the streets today

>>18516986
tbqh Slavs assimilated pretty well were absorbed into the surrounding population and most are no longer distinct people but Jews/Irish/Italians really didn't assimilate and basically remained in ethnic ghettos and only intermarry with each other

>>18516999
>Slavs assimilated pretty well were absorbed into the surrounding population and

Most of those were from the Austrian Empire and were Catholics, occasionally Protestants. We didn't really get many from Orthodox areas (though there were some Ukrainians) so it was not that hard to absorb them. Also unlike Jewish/Irish/Italians most of them never progressed outside of being menial blue collar workers, they didn't get into media or government and be able to self-promote.

>>18517015
my town had a lot of Slovak immigrants. they all assimilated quickly and there's nothing left of their original culture a few generations later.

>>18516748
jews trying to advance open border policies immediately after emancipation was an over extension, the people were not yet fool enough to think that it wouldn't be suicide to flood their nation with non whites

The real question is how the hell did immigration ever become so widespread when nativism is the default position throughout human history. I suppose the Quakers are to blame, somewhat. And anyway European migration to the United States was an unmitigated disaster; even the first wave in the 1840s and 50s -- modest compared to what came later -- *destroyed* the living conditions of the citizenry in Northern cities. Wages plummeted (the most consistent effect of immigration) and the life expectancy and wealth of people there did not begin to recover until after WWII. Genuinely the most sickening human tragedy in American history, far worse than the nonexistent "oppression" which Negroes never endured at any point.

>>18517015
My ggrandparents came from Austria back then though they were Lutheran Hungarians.

>>18517037
>even the first wave in the 1840s and 50s -- modest compared to what came later -- *destroyed* the living conditions of the citizenry in Northern cities. Wages plummeted (the most consistent effect of immigration) and the life expectancy and wealth of people there did not begin to recover until after WWII.

>>18516677
As for the cause of that, cf. this thread.

>>18517024
Slovakia was and still is totally backward peasant country so they had no culture to lose to begin with.

>>18516986
Italians had too advanced and sophisticated of a culture of their own to really be assimilable into Anglo society.

>>18517047
take the poo to the loo gipello

>>18517047
>Italians had too advanced and sophisticated of a culture of their own to really be assimilable into Anglo society.

Bro...the Renaissance was all in north Italy. Rome, Genoa, Milan, Bologna, but most I-As didn't come from that region they came from backward, impoverished Naples and Sicily.

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>One of the giants of popular fiction in late 19th century America, Alger, a New England Yankee who began his career as a minister and gave it up after the Civil War to become a writer, churned out over 100 juvenile fiction novels. His stock formula was that virtue, industriousness, and honesty bred success and wealth, particularly when accompanied by abstinence from alcohol, tobacco, and swearing. Although Alger was sometimes made fun of for being a lifelong bachelor, he implanted morality and the conviction that there is always room at the top (especially if one was lucky enough to save the boss's daughter and marry her).

tl;dr those would have all been commonly understood values to Protestant NW Europeans

>>18516994
Them not so much; it was more like "the strong take what they want from the weak."

>>18517015
The idea that Irish especially aren't integrated at this point is absurd, and Italians are barely any less so.

>>18517015
we have Italian diaspora in Australia, aside from speaking English in a funny accent they're not really assimilated either nor can they be because Australia is a nation rooted in British culture.

>>18517081
i guess defecating in public is one way to express dominance, albeit in a rather disgusting way

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>>18516748
TL;DR Because of the Industrialization of the North, 1848 Revolutions, WW1 and Russian Revolution.

The United States never was intended to be a melting pot for non-British Europeans or non-Europeans because was a nation founded largely by British people, albeit with some French, Germans, and Dutch (who are so racially similar that the difference becomes insignificant outside the political, cultural, and religious scope). The Melting Pot was in its particular form of republican government, and the American founders recognized that its maintenance depended on the preservation of the founding ethnicity and the perpetuation of its austere cultural values, without which there could be no single nation to conduct any experiment.

Until a few decades ago, England was practically synonymous with the United Kingdom as a whole, and calling oneself "English" was tantamount to saying you were a British citizen. Obviously, after the Revolution, Americans were eager to distance themselves from this. Anglo-Saxon was an ethnic term, English a political term. There is a recurring theme in early American history of mild schizophrenia between being strongly anti-English politically and still identifying as English (Anglo-Saxon) on an ethnic and cultural level.

The loss of these conditions became almost inevitable with the defeat of the so-called English nativist Know-Nothing party and the fall of the aristocratic segment of colonial society in the the Industrialization of the North and Civil War. Americans today say "it's okay because they were white" and "they assimilated" but they weren't, and they didn't assimilate completely. The United States witnessed an influx of subversive and radical elements from Europe after the revolutions of the 19th century. This included the so-called Forty-eighters, European nationalists, liberals and socialists who had supported the Revolutions of 1848 against the conservative monarchies remaining from Europe.

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>>18517106
These individuals brought with them ideologies rooted in Civic Nationalism, Progressive Liberalism, Socialism and Secular Humanism, and remained at odds with the original Anglo-Saxon culture in America and, after the World Wars, supplanted it (hence the immediate gains of the Civil Rights movements, "nation of immigrants" discourses, and other multicultural/cosmopolitan discourses).

Until the mid-20th century, most Americans, when asked about their ethnicity, would have said "Anglo-Saxon" rather than "White" or, if not identified by their European country of origin, would have said "Anglo-Saxon". The Baby Boomers were, in fact, the first generation to grow up without any ethnic ties to England. They grew up immediately after World War II, when the mix of European ethnicities was fused into "American" and during the Civil Rights era, when the sharp divide between White and Black came to the fore. The post-Baby Boomer generations were raised believing that White versus Black is the quintessential ethnic struggle of American history, which, in fact, was the dominant political agenda when the Baby Boomers were growing up.

>>18517109
>>18517106
there was also the matter of Protestantism. Catholic populations always leaned more to the left and "Catholic" and "Democrat voter" used to be nearly synonymous.

>>18516994
i went to school with a bunch of them. they were all outgoing, sociable, and involved with athletics but rarely got into STEM subjects and preferred art, cooking, drama, fashion, etc. you generally didn't want one as a lab partner.

>>18517175
Want something done in engineering? You want a NW European person. The Apollo astronauts were mostly all Anglo guys, one was of German ancestry and another of Czech ancestry. Italians are a nation of artists not engineers.

>>18517183
i think 2-3 of them were of German heritage but point stands

>>18517183
You want a Chinese or Iranian. Who the fucks hiring an angloid these days its not 1960 buddy

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>>18517553
>You want a Chinese or
How about not, Wu?

>>18517553
Iran and China have put zero people on the moon.

>>18517674
It's fine, it just needs stood back up. That's Chinese engineering.

>>18517684
In the last 50 years, that is how much the US and Europe have managed combined.

>>18517032
Jews were literally targeted as "others" as a result of nativism.

>>18517908
literally. jews were treated the same as all other minorities. they weren't even seen as white until after ww2, and really they still aren't.

>>18517908
Jews were never really discriminated against in the US.