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So, what does /his/ think of him? I can't decide whether he was a bastard or a hero. Usually I feel like I have a pretty clear moral compass in terms of historical figures, but I really can't decide with Vargas.

Also, how about Kubitschek? Personally, I think he had an opportunity to remove the worst features of Vargas (particularly the long held Brazilian tradition of spending your way to success), but he threw it away for short-term political gain and threw his country into a crisis.
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GETÚLIO VARGAS WAS A TRUE PATRIOT WHO DID WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE HIS FATHERLAND, AND TO PRESERVE THE STATE THAT HOLDS IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT UNITEDSTATES, TYPICALLY, COULD NOT ALLOW IT.

JUSCELINO KUBITSCHEK, ALSO, ANOTHER PATRIOT; THE MIND BEHIND BRASÍLIA, AND YET ANOTHER VICTIM OF THE ETERNAL AMERIGOLEM.
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>>18517076
All Brasilia is is a giant money pit. I've still never understood why the city was built. Like the theoretical justification is I guess connecting more of the country and bringing people inland, but I really don't see how that is a productive goal or building this giant monstrosity even helped that. Even the city sucks ass cause it's nice to be in one of those blocks but when you want to hop from block to block it sucks arse.
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And that's not even getting to the subject that they imported whole bunch of workers, barely built any homes, then mass expelled all the people who worked on the city so all the elites could move in. They went on to build new favelas that they still live in today and that are hella far away. Which they then get to commute into the city every day. All at massive cost to a state that already couldn't afford it.
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>>18516996
Getúlio Vargas is often remembered as the father of Brazilian industrialization, but few people talk about the contradictions that marked his national project. The most obvious of these was his relationship with São Paulo. The largest industrial, financial, and productive center of Brazil is São Paulo, but Vargas spent a good part of his career trying to reduce São Paulo's political power after the defeat of the Constitutionalist Revolution of 1932. Instead of transforming the country's main economic engine into the center of a national project, he preferred to treat it as a rival. It was a strange situation: the government depended on São Paulo's industrial growth, but at the same time distrusted it and sought to weaken its influence.

Vargas did absolutely nothing relevant regarding road infrastructure. The vast majority of Brazilian road infrastructure was built during the military governments, and the only road project Vargas delivered in this regard was a stretch of the BR-116 highway connecting Feira de Santana to Fortaleza and Rio de Janeiro to Feira de Santana (that is, only the fucking stretch connecting Rio to the Northeast, the poorest region of Brazil).

For comparison: The vast majority of road projects carried out during Vargas's governments weren't even done by Vargas himself, but by São Paulo governors opposed to Vargas. While Vargas delivered a shitty piece of highway connecting Rio to the Northeast, São Paulo built 9 highways.
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>>18516996
An unambiguous good guy much like Peron, no matter how much rightwing criminals want to tar his reputation by pretending he was a dictator or something.
After the Great Depression Vargas knew Brazil could no longer afford to have an economy entirely built around the export of coffee to firstoid countries and began an extensive program of industrialization.
This caused Brazil to experience the biggest increase in living standards in its entire history which lasted until rightwing criminals (trained and backed by glowniggers) took power undemocratically in a coup and proceeded to dismantle every successful policy of his.
Luckily for Brazilians today they have a Chad like Lula steering the country in the right direction. If his party can keep up the momentum Brazil will be well on its way to first world status in a few decades.
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>>18517186
Vargas didn't build a single meter of railroad, and on top of that, he intentionally bankrupted 7 private railroad companies in São Paulo and 2 in Minas Gerais, reaching the ridiculous extreme of nationalizing railroads only to shut them down due to his inability to even maintain locomotives.

Meanwhile, during the same period that Vargas governed, screwing over opposition states (São Paulo, Mato Grosso do Sul, and Santa Catarina), he built state railroads, which Vargas made sure to screw up. In the case of São Paulo, the son of a bitch literally nationalized a private railroad line (the Campos do Jordão Railroad) to steal the damn steel rails and melt them down in CSN's foundries.

While São Paulo industrialized on its own, autonomously and entirely through private initiative, and had a larger industrial park than Spain and Italy in the 1930s, the rest of Brazil simply waited for the State to do something.

And what the hell did Vargas do? He created half a dozen absolutely useless and ineffective state-owned companies to try to compete with São Paulo, and when these companies predictably failed and couldn't compete with those in São Paulo, he started trying to forcibly shut down companies in São Paulo to try (and fail) to make the ones he built in Rio and the Northeast minimally profitable.

The CSN was built in a backward location without a logistical network that would make it viable (try building a steel mill in Rio de Janeiro in a place where the ore doesn't arrive and there's no way to transport the steel, what could go wrong?). The project was so backward that it lost money for two decades and it took a whopping 43 years for CSN to even become profitable. Meanwhile, São Paulo already had a huge, well-established network of steel mills (which that son of a bitch Vargas simply ordered to be shut down most of them after the 1932 Civil War as punishment against São Paulo and as a way to try to make CSN profitable by eliminating competitors).
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>>18517199
This post is just ragebait. He literally openly allied with fascists at parts in his career and came to power twice through coups undemocratically.
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>>18517207
Yeah, that was about my impression. Funny if you put it that way. I knew his state projects seemed quite ineffective but I didn't know it was quite that bad.
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>>18517207
Vale do Rio Doce was created through confiscation (theft) via the nationalization of several private mining companies. All that son of a bitch did was rob businessmen who had invested money in building mines and railways to transport those mines, and replace profitable companies with a bunch of public employees who made the company unprofitable for decades. Incidentally, it was the same thing that son of a bitch did when creating Petrobras and Eletrobras: he only stole companies that were already functioning and handed them over to bureaucrats to run, knocking out their profitability for decades.

The Fábrica Nacional de Motores was also another absolutely useless state-owned company, with a completely retarded idea of trying to produce cars in fucking Rio de Janeiro. Brazil was already producing engines before FNM, and São Paulo already had a well-developed automotive park (which included Indústrias Romi, General Motors in São Caetano do Sul, Ford in São Bernardo do Campo, Grassi, the Matarazzo and Cia. Prestes). And FNM was such a piece of crap that it couldn't produce anything before 1949, even though it was founded in 1944. And it also failed in Vargas's objective of building the first Brazilian truck. He forced the closure of Prestes (a São Paulo manufacturer of the Bandeirante truck, a truck developed in 1929 with 100% Brazilian parts) so that FNM wouldn't fail miserably in creating its own project and have to buy a license from FIAT to produce Italian trucks years after Mercedes-Benz opened a plant in Brazil and started producing trucks here before them.

To make matters worse, Vargas tried to force the collapse of São Paulo's industry (which accounted for 96% of Brazilian industries) simply out of spite, wanting to force the transfer of these industries out of São Paulo.
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>>18517253
Regarding electrical infrastructure, Vargas only built one tiny hydroelectric dam and nothing more. Literally, the only work Vargas delivered in terms of electricity was the awful São Francisco Hydroelectric Plant in the Northeast.

Most of Brazil's electrical infrastructure was built by Vargas's opponents in the 1950s and during the Military Regime (which also opposed Vargas).

Oh, and while Vargas only built a measly small hydroelectric plant, São Paulo alone, without a single cent from the State, built the Henry Borden Hydroelectric Plant a few years earlier, substantially larger and incredibly more important, and six other hydroelectric plants in the interior.

And for the record: Vargas's damn hydroelectric plant was smaller, less efficient, and less relevant than several other hydroelectric plants built during the 1900s, such as the Piraí Hydroelectric Plant (Santa Catarina, 1908 - 100% private) and the Santana de Parnaíba Hydroelectric Plant (São Paulo, 1901 - 100% private).

TL;DR Getúlio Vargas was a piece of shit, and just like Burger King, he's been grilling over fire since 1954.

And mind you, I haven't even spoken ill of Vargas's patronage regarding Lusotropicalism, Racial Democracy, Brazilian Modernism, or the fetishistic international vision of the "country of carnival, football, and the sensual mulatto woman" from Rio de Janeiro to undermine culturally São Paulo and please the U.S. Good Neighbor Policy.
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>>18517199
>and proceeded to dismantle every successful policy of his.
They actually didn't. Despite their absolute alignment to the US on geopolitics at first, they kept his national-developmentalist policies, didn't privatize any companies, kept the market highly protected and created new state companies. In the Geisel government (half-way through the military dictatorship period) they started to break away geopolitically from the US, allying with the People's Republic of China and starting the secrete nuclear weapons program. It was actually after redemocratization that centrist neoliberals started to dismantle Brazilian industrialization and sovereignty.
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>>18517376
Huh, I was about to blame this on Carter but it seemed like it was more in response to the oil shock. Said that he wanted Brazil to become a great power and such. Though Carter made the relationship much worse with the patronizing rhetoric. I actually don't really mind the diplomatic stance such as that. My dislike of Lula more stems from internal security and public safety than things he does diplomatically. Though I do find he gives one to many speeches at whatever international event he can get himself invited though. Then he often gets on his high horse about democracy then will sit right next to Russia and China. I always found it kind of funny for being the two largest countries on the continent America and Brazil have never really had a particularly close relationship.

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