>>18517482
Fake quote
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7nun0x/they_are_the_most_ignorant_people_i_have_ever/

>>18517482
Because any Briton intelligent enough was an immigrant and not a celt or Saxon. Also Jews invested all their money in making them a super power post 1688.

>>18517484
it's okay to say things to whites (specifically northern whites) that you wouldn't say to native americans, africans, or australians

also how come the same logic doesn't apply to hispania or lusitania when they were just as much barbarians who were civilized by the romans?

"OP is a faggot" - OP's dad, after fucking him

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>>18517482
The most powerful elites in Italy—which at that time was the most powerful peninsula until the 17th century—first moved to the Netherlands and then to Great Britain around the 17th and 18th centuries.
Now, as for why they did so, it was simply because the Black Nobility was in decline due to the fact that the geographical location of the Italian peninsula prevented it from trading sufficiently with the newly discovered continent of America, and also because certain crowns, such as the French and British, had imposed certain restrictions on trade with northern Italy due to the debt they had incurred with them.

>>18517482
> exterminating and replacing an entire continent
You guys were carried by disease, fuck off.

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>>18517482
It was the Anglo-Saxons who did this, not the Britons.

>The 2022 genetic study on modern British Isles people, published by Nature, showed that the average British person is some combination of 25-47% Anglo-Saxon (some of that could have come from later Scandinavian influence because the Angles, Saxons and Jutes were really similar), 14-57% pre-Saxon Briton, and the remainder, if any, is filled by French influence from after the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The study also showed that people of 100% pre-Saxon Briton dna were buried in the same way that an Anglo-Saxon might be buried, with items indicating the same status as other Anglo-Saxons

>All of this means that the Anglo-Saxons came on large numbers, but they didn’t replace or genocide the natives. The two groups heavily mixed and the Britons in England assimilated to Anglo-Saxon culture. Then, probably at several points afterward, Frenchmen came in waves to further affect the English gene pool (Frankish migrants, the Normans, the Huguenots, etc.)

>Pic related: Red = Anglo-Saxon, blue = Briton, green = French. If I messed anything up, I’m sure an anon will correct me

England (in the Southeast of Great Britain) is the region where Anglo-Saxon DNA is greater than Briton DNA, unlike Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Ireland.

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>>18517578
Now compare it with Murray's pic. Only England is entirely contained within it. Scotland comes in second place despite its importance to the Industrial Revolution, which caused the Great Divergence.

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>>18517584

They had innovative chariot tactics, decent metal working, and tin extraction and trade. Possibly more advanced than the Gauls and Germanics.

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>>18517578
>>18517584
>>18517585
And before some idiot comes along and says "Ha, Superior Germanic, Inferior Celts," the ancestors of the Britons were proto-Germanics (Bell Beaker, 2800-1800 BCE) who almost completely decimated the Neolithic inhabitants of the British Isles and only began speaking Celtic around the time of the Hallstatt culture (1200–450 BCE) in mainland Europe, even though them have very little of their DNA.

>David Reich's laboratory found that 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was overturned by a population from North Continental Europe characterised by the Bell Beaker culture around 2450 BC who carried a large amount of Corded Ware steppe ancestry, including the R1b Haplogroup. This population lacked genetic affinity to other Bell Beaker populations, such as the Iberian Bell Beakers, but appeared to be an offshoot of the Corded Ware single grave people. It is currently unknown whether these Beaker peoples went on to develop Celtic languages in the British Isles, or whether later Celtic migrations introduced Celtic languages to Britain

>The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans due Corded Ware means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st century

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>>18517593
>The history of pre-Celtic Europe and Celtic origins is debated. The traditional "Celtic from the East" theory, says the proto-Celtic language arose in the late Bronze Age Urnfield culture of central Europe, named after grave sites in southern Germany, which flourished from around 1200 BC. This theory links the Celts with the Iron Age Hallstatt culture which followed it (c.1200–500 BC), named for the rich grave finds in Hallstatt, Austria, and with the following La Tène culture (c.450 BC onward), named after the La Tène site in Switzerland

>Modern genetic studies indicate that the British population has very little direct ancestry from the central European Hallstatt (Proto-Celtic) culture, challenging older theories of a mass migration. Instead, British ancestry primarily derives from Bell Beaker migrations. Celtic was likely a cultural spread with limited genetic influx

>>18517593
1- David Reich is a jew.
2- Ancient DNA studies are at the very best dubious statistical reconstructions at worst politically motivated speculations.
3- You are basicly posting pseudo science

>>18517595
>>Modern genetic studies indicate that the British population has very little direct ancestry from the central European Hallstatt (Proto-Celtic) culture, challenging older theories of a mass migration. Instead, British ancestry primarily derives from Bell Beaker migrations. Celtic was likely a cultural spread with limited genetic influx
Again, these are not genetic studies.
These are reconstruction attempts of ancient genomes.

>>18517638
>>18517641
There's no arguing with someone this stupid.

>>18517667
> If I call Goyim stupid he will just go away
LOL!
ADNA studies are still not even remotely scientific, as they cannot be replicated as the method they use to extract viable DNA is destructive, they are essentially statistical reconstructions based on speculative assumptions, as ancient DNA is far too degraded and corrupted to allow for the extraction of a full strand.

>>18517482
They're good pirates
That's about it (oh, and jewish money, not even antisemitic, I like jews, I don't like angls)

>>18517673
>If I use a bunch of sciency-sounding words, they won't know that I'm just talking out of my ass

>>18517692
> If I continue to engage in delay tactics, ad hominem attacks, Goyim will stop calling out my pseudo science BS.
Won't work.
One of the many, many, many problems plaguing this field of jewish pseudo science is the fact that it is unfalsifiable by design, which creates a critical scientific problem, how do you prove a negative? If you sequence an ancient sample and get a result, you can never fully rule out that it came from a modern contaminant or even a contempary one.
The "authentication" criteria used in the field, such as looking for post-mortem damage patterns or using dedicated clean labs—are indirect proxies, not direct proof.
There is no means to guarantee complete removal of contamination DNA through decontamination procedures.

The more, you call me names, shlomo, the more I will discredit this field of pseudo science this when combined with your inability to counter me will turn of anyone from this field.
I know how to play the game and win ir, jew!

>>18517482
Britons + Anglo-Saxons is a rare case of hybrid vigor in humans.

>>18517482
he never said that

>>18517482
Because, like every other victorious tribe throughout history, they learned from every defeat. They were able to acknowledge the ways the enemy was superior and open-minded enough to learn and catch up.

Do you think the Romans would have ever became anything more than a small regional power if they didn't acknowledge the ways the Greeks and Carthaginians were superior and catch up?

Yeah, 2000 years ago, the Celtic and Germanic people were behind Rome, but they caught up and then some.... and now Rome is a laughable shadow of their former glory and the Germanic and Britons and have inherited the earth.

These days Rome is a laughable backwater and the only reason people visit is for their formerly glorious history.... and they always come away wondering how these dim-witted swarthy men descended from great men like Augustus. It's the exact same reaction people have visiting the modern shithole of Egypt.

Too many people get to the top of the pecking order, and get so full of themselves, that they aren't able to maintain it. Then maintain downright delusional conceited opinions of their own greatness as they slide backwards into third world status.

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>>18517482
>OP is baffled that things change over the course of 1000+ years
We truly have some bright minds here on 4chan, huh

>>18517880
>These days Rome is a laughable backwater and the only reason people visit is for their formerly glorious history.... and they always come away wondering how these dim-witted swarthy men descended from great men like Augustus. I
What? Are you American? Nobody in Europe thinks Italians are dimwitted, the Renaissance was basically yesterday by our standards and even today Italy remains relevant in high tech manufacturing and general haute culture

It’s called eugenics. The Romans noted that the Germans laid around all day, drinking themselves to death and beating the shit out of each other. But note this phrase from Procopius
>Now this Pharas was energetic and thoroughly serious and upright in every way, although he was an Herulian by birth. And for an Herulian not to give himself over to treachery and drunkenness, but to strive after uprightness, is no easy matter and merits abundant praise. But not only was it Pharas who maintained orderly conduct, but also all the Erulians who followed him
Over the next 2k years both the British and the Germans would undergo a domestication process where the dumb violent proles were killed in wars and famine and outbred by the elites. The rising trade and manufacturing industry also meant that nerds could gain more money and status and thus breed more. It’s not necessarily a Germanic thing, both celts and Germans underwent this process.

>>18517896
Pharas was literally the only Sober Germani ever

>>18517888
mainly northern italians
even the renaissance was north italian-centered

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>>18517923
Fake and gay. It began in Florence in Central Italy after Greek scholars fled Constantinople for Italy during the Turkish conquest of Byzantium.

>The term Rinascita was first recorded by the historian Giorgio Vasari in the 16th century, who endeavored to establish the city of Florence as the protagonist of the most important innovations of the time.

>The Renaissance began in Florence, one of the many states of Italy. The Italian Renaissance concluded in 1527 when Holy Roman Emperor Charles V launched an assault on Rome during the war of the League of Cognac. Nevertheless, its impact endured in the art of renowned Italian painters like Tintoretto, Sofonisba Anguissola, and Paolo Veronese, who continued their work during the mid-to-late 16th century

>Various theories have been proposed to account for its origins and characteristics, focusing on a variety of factors, including Florence's social and civic peculiarities at the time: its political structure, the patronage of its dominant family, the Medici, and the migration of Greek scholars and their texts to Italy following the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire. Other major centers were Venice, Genoa, Milan, Rome during the Renaissance Papacy, and Naples. From Italy, the Renaissance spread throughout Europe and also to American, African and Asian territories ruled by the European colonial powers of the time or where Christian missionaries were active

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>>18517957
>Marsilio Ficino (Italian: [marˈsiːljo fiˈtʃiːno]; Latin name: Marsilius Ficinus; 19 October 1433 – 1 October 1499) was an Italian scholar and Catholic priest who was one of the most influential humanist philosophers of the early Italian Renaissance. He was an astrologer, a reviver of Neoplatonism in touch with the major academics of his day, and the first translator of Plato's complete extant works into Latin. His Florentine Academy, an attempt to revive Plato's Academy, influenced the direction and tenor of the Italian Renaissance and the development of European philosophy

>Ficino was born at Figline Valdarno. His father, Diotifeci d'Agnolo, was a physician under the patronage of Cosimo de' Medici, who took the young man into his household and became the lifelong patron of Marsilio, who was made tutor to his grandson, Lorenzo de' Medici. Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, the Italian humanist philosopher and scholar, was another of his students

>During the sessions at Florence of the Council of Ferrara-Florence in 1438–1445, when attempts to heal the schism of the Eastern (Orthodox) and Western (Catholic) churches had thus far failed, Cosimo de' Medici and his intellectual circle had made acquaintance with the Neoplatonic philosopher George Gemistos Plethon, whose discourses upon Plato and the Alexandrian mystics so fascinated the humanists of Florence that they named him the second Plato. In 1459 John Argyropoulos was lecturing on Greek language and literature at Florence, and Ficino became his pupil

>When Cosimo decided to refound Plato's Academy at Florence, he chose Ficino as its head. In 1462, Cosimo supplied Ficino with Greek manuscripts of Plato's work, whereupon Ficino started translating the entire corpus into Latin (draft translation of the dialogues finished 1468–69, published 1484)

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>>18517965
>Ficino also produced a translation of a collection of Hellenistic Greek documents found by Leonardo da Pistoia later called Hermetica, and the writings of many of the Neoplatonists, including Porphyry, Iamblichus, and Plotinus

>Georgios Gemistos Plethon (Greek: Γεώργιος Γεμιστὸς Πλήθων; Latin: Georgius Gemistus Pletho c.1355/1360 – 1452/1454), commonly known as Gemistos Plethon, was a Greek scholar and one of the most renowned philosophers of the Late Byzantine era. He was a chief pioneer of the revival of Greek scholarship in Western Europe. As revealed in his last literary work, the Nomoi or Book of Laws, which he circulated only among close friends, he rejected Christianity in favour of a return to the worship of the classical Hellenic gods, mixed with ancient wisdom based on Zoroaster and the Magi

>In 1438–1439, he reintroduced Plato's ideas to Western Europe during the Council of Florence in a failed attempt to reconcile the East–West Schism. Plethon also formulated his political vision in several speeches throughout his life. The boast in one of the speeches that "We are Hellenes by race and culture" and his proposal of a reborn Byzantine Empire following a utopian Hellenic system of government centered in Mystras, have generated discussion about Byzantine and modern Greek identity. In this regard, Plethon has been labelled both "the last Hellene" and "the first modern Greek".

>The Council of Florence entered a second phase after Emperor Sigismund's death in 1437. Pope Eugene IV translated the Council to Ferrara on 8 January 1438, where it became the Council of Ferrara and succeeded in drawing some of the Byzantine delegates who were in attendance at Basel to Italy

>Perhaps the council's most important historical legacy was the lectures on Greek classical literature given in Florence by many of the delegates from Constantinople, including the Neoplatonist Gemistus Pletho. These greatly helped the Renaissance