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>Maybe make mexican americans forget some particular period of history or make them feel that these territories never actually belonged to them but to their "colonizers opressors" ( which coincidentially are their ancestors)
the cola-induced type 2 diabetes is probably the contributing factor in the memory loss 2bh

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>>18517696
Maybe in your head.
Incel

I would argue there was a vested interest in doing the opposite but the reason why was not respect for Mexicans but because they assumed the elites closer to Spanish culture could fight them legally.This is especially the case in Anglo attempts to destory land grants and break catholic social organizations.

>>18517696
Go back to oxaca you 5'3 indio. Your ancestors never lived north of the rio grande until your dad came across the border hidden in the back of an F150

t. NM hispano

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it's hispanos themselves pushing the "spanish american" meme to set themselves apart from normal mexicans, in part because of history (they supported federalism) and in part, i assume, because it sucks to have oaxacans claim your culture

>>18517707
>Maybe in your head.


Doesnt seem like a coincidence. Considering Asspain and USA are nato Allies.

>>18517708
>I would argue there was a vested interest in doing the opposite but the reason why was not respect for Mexicans

I believe usa used to recognize that these lands we're mexican and had nothing to do with asspaniards but after franco opened his gay manlet bussy to american cock they started pandering to gaynolos inflated ego

>>18517711
No, you are just retarded.

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>>18517711
They did through Spanish land agreements. Some of these agreements were also given to indigenious tribes. The US had an interest in ending these and actually in some places encouraged indigenious identity. The US for example supported Mexican identity fairly often in opposition to projects like those structed like Gran Colombia. However, concepts such as Vasconcesos state philosophy of the cosmic race was huge threat to US views of identity and politics and the US often encouraged indigenity because it represented a type of purity. Hence why the idea of Mexican Americans being related to indigenious people was fostered more often in the states than in Mexico. The late modern and non-contemporary reconstruction pop neo-Azteca stuff aroses as a byproduct of that ironically.

>>18517710
>it's hispanos themselves pushing the "spanish american" meme to set themselves apart from normal mexicans


Hispanos rejection of México was political not cultural. They stayed mexican (catholic) through and through.

However generalized Anti mexican sentiment in USA plus being bombared by asspaniards YouTuber pseudohistorians (pushed by algoritms) has Taken it's toll

>>18517714
Its all 19th century mexican nationalist bourgeoisie LARP, the skull art, the fake aztec shit, even most of what passes for the day of the dead

>>18517714
An example of such a land agreement is the San Elizario Salt War. Further elites and some organizations like the also played a role in trying to dissolve these in local places too in both the US and Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9AaSCQ6gKg

>>18517715
Hispanos in NM were cultivating a seperate identity from post 1848 mexican migrants for as long as the US troops came. Partly to be accepted in the US and gain statehood and also because they already had been hostile to distant corrupt rule from mexico city.

It has nothing to do with franco or youtube lol. I dont think franco ever cared about any spanish speaking population in the US, why tf would he care?

>>18517696


I. THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS AT DEHISPANICIZING FORMER NOVOHISPANIC/MEXICAN PROVINCES BOUGHT BY UNITEDSTATES SINCE THOSE PROVINCES WERE BOUGHT.

II. THE RED AND YELLOW FLAG IS FROM THE XVIII CENTURY; THE NORTHERNMOST PROVINCES OF NEW SPAIN, BY THEN, MEXICO, WERE BOUGHT BY UNITEDSTATES IN THE XIX CENTURY, THEREFORE, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR CONFUSION ABOUT THAT.

III. THERE ARE MEXICANS OF EVERY SKINCOLOUR POSSIBLE; YOU SEEM TO HAVE AN ETHNOCENTRICAL «BROWNIST» PREJUDICE.

IV. TO CLAIM THAT «EUROPEANS» —REGARDLESS OF WHOM YOU MEAN BY THAT— «COULD NOT TOLERATE DESERTIC CLIMATE» IS ABSOLUTELY IMBECILIC.

V. THE TERM «MEXICAN AMERICAN» IS ABSURD AND DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING.

VI. YOU ARE CHICANO, ARE YOU NOT? I COULD BET THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN SPEAK SPANISH, OR THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SET FOOT ON MEXICO.

VII. REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU ARE, YES, UNITEDSTATIAN TERRITORY THAT ONCE WAS NOVOHISPANIC/MEXICAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO MULTIPLE ATTEMPTSAT DESHISPANICIZATION, BUT WHAT YOU SUGGEST AS INDICATIVE OF THAT IS JUST MORONIC.

>>18517715
mexico didn't have a unified identity until the late 1800s and really until after the revolution. hispanos kept larping as spanish just like greeks larped as roman into the 1800s. they never felt mexican because mexico meant mexico city back then
>>18517716
that's mostly post revolutionary

>>18517722
In a lot of places before the 1900s there was a lot of different cultural variation. Not neo-aztec type of stuff but Tigua, Chaco canyon and Spanish mixed groups that did not identify with Mexican elites. One of the side effects ironically of the indigenizing project in later Chicano movement but ironically the removal of these differences or the homogeniziation of them. Within Mexico there was a homogenizing movement and then a break on it towards national identity.

>>18517723
Chaco canyon? What are you talking about. Mexican elites never claimed it, it was not even discovered during the mexican period

>>18517723
think you replied to the wrong post mate

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>>18517723
One way to think about it was that Chicano was more of a normative identity or statement about who people should be. Mexican American was a demographic descriptive term with no real cultural unity for most of the time. Pic related.

>>18517696
It’s literally just gringos trying to legitimize their claims on stolen land by pretending there wasn’t any Hispanic presence in those states for centuries before they showed up.
Reminder California and Texas belongs to La Raza cabrones.

>>18517724
Remnants of the people there inhabit areas in New Mexico. Basically, they dismanlted most of their identity. Infamously, Mexico echoing Spanish policy did not consider them native to the area and gave it other peoples. Those peoples had to largely move out towards the Sunland Park area and to El Paso.

>>18517728
Chaco had been abandoned for centuries by the time the Spanish showed up

>>18517727
if mexicans ever get those states back it will just be one big tijuana
mexicans claiming the southwest is just embarassing, you can't even manage the states you do have

>>18517727
>It’s literally just gringos trying to legitimize their claims on stolen land by pretending there wasn’t any Hispanic presence in those states for centuries before they showed up.

The thing is, they do recognize the hispanic past of those territories, but it's a europeanized past. Thats why in those parades they do they carry the spaniard flag (which no novohispanian actually cared about) or Will try to present all hispanic presence as purely european presence (wth would a pale ass european would be doing in New México deserts?). They always ommit that these people we're ethnically and culturally mexican . Mexicans are after all descendents of novohispans and the heir of that kingdom.

>>18517729
Yeah, the historical canyon was not the surrounding peoples. Famously the Hopi, Zuni were seen as inheritors. The group we are talking about are the Rio Grande Pueblo groups. By the colonial period they joined the Piro. However, they still claimed the area for quite some time because migration happened in waves. This group always rejected the Spanish and Mexican claims. Some of them even converted to Judaism as a kinda protest. Many of were memebrs of the Acoma tribe. People who identifed with the Piro-Mano-and Tiwa or Tigua in some cases were called Tortugas. I don't know why they are called turtles. They are still trying to get legal recognition to this day.

>>18517733
Nobody had any conception of being "mexican" in that time period, you were either an indian or a "spaniard" (of whatever skin color), you are projecting modern conceptions of mexican identity onto a time period where it doesnt make sense.

>>18517733
Well yeah, the point of erasing the history of those states is to convince people they belong to the US instead of the brown people on the other side of the border.