>>7895611
Thread Challenge: Prove you can draw floating heads better than Arbiter Wolf.

its gotta be some sorta larp. he does the trace guidline but then doesnt follow it. i have my concentration issues and i notice and stop for a bit to regain my mojo, but this is still weird. he alwayas does this

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>drawing in a digital art program with limitless possibilities, ultimate convenience at one's fingertips
>reference is right there on screen
>draws useless shitty gobbledygook over it
>but never traces the actual contours of the reference to see what it would look like in lines
>never even considers actually just tracing it
It's not the tracing in and of itself that matters, but I'm convinced the mental rigidity you see in this guy explains why some people just never progress no matter what. I feel like it should occur to you try something that obvious early on, but some people never even try something that simple. They have a thousand unexamined, unconscious scruples about what is "allowed" and they won't just try new and unconventional ideas. Maddening stuff.

>>7895620
All i fucking do lately is floating heads
>>7890051

>>7895636
not bad

if talent doesn't exist, then explain this guy

>if the human ability to learn, adapt, and improve at concepts doesn't exist, then explain this [incredibly small sample size of people with mental deficiencies i'm going to use as an excuse to not try]

>>7895657
he's stupid or retarded because clearly doesnt pay attention to his own guidelines. willingly ignorant. actually i know for a fact he is retarded because he has yellow fever

>>7895660
He’s secretly a pro and this YouTube channel is a parody.

>>7895632
>They have a thousand unexamined, unconscious scruples about what is "allowed" and they won't just try new and unconventional ideas.
this is a very interesting point actually. like a domesticated animal

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Gave it a shot. I don't draw Korean women so I'm not used to their specific features, so it was something new for me.

is he a lolcow?

>>7895699
>specific features
blender-core plastic face, nothing to learn from drawing gook women really

>>7895632
It is easy to get caught up in what is right or wrong, to the point that it becomes impossible to apply what you learn, since you get caught up in the concern that if you draw something in this new way, you're just ripping off the pieces you studied/copied, so you wind up reverting to your already ingrained drawing methods.

>>7895699
>tracing
Its so over for this nigga.

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>>7895611
ehhh

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would this girl praise me if i were to draw her well?

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>>7895611
Icbros, He’s improving

>>7895660
he is improving, just at extremely slow speeds that his limited lifetime renders ultimately moot
try again, brainlet-kun

>>7895966
woosh, my friend

>>7896011
is that the sound of the hot air leaving your body, fedoratard?

>>7895632
He did trace, but somehow he still managed to fail at it completely. It's like he wasn't even trying.

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>>7895632
>>but never traces the actual contours of the reference to see what it would look like in lines

It will always look like disgusting dog shit.

Drawing Asian insectoids will never teach them anything

>>7896014
if that helps you sleep at night, yes!

>>7895611
>>7896355
Draw with pen and paper. You can omit lines and details to make it more visually appealing. Notably don't draw the bridge of her nose, skip the nostrils, or just draw the nostril holes only. You're drawing hair in an extremely messy way. Break it into solid shapes/planes, like they were paper. Not random threads of hair. Enlarge the image, squint your eyes, and draw roughly what you see from that as well.
But again, pen and paper forces you to think extremely strategically for where each line goes, and you WILL mess up a LOT. But it's part of the process of hard-wiring your mind to be more objective AND selective in line use and weight.

>>7895943
gmi

>>7896355
all the references suck as well. its like trying to draw a turd. actually, you'd get more practice out of a well lit, high resolution turd than some cosplay or gook roastoid

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>>7896355
As an exercise, tracing value shapes can be much more informative than tracing contours.

>>7895699
Was the tranny callarts style necessary? Ugly af

>>7896624
Which one in the thread was your drawing? Quote it

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>>7896624
How is that cal arts style?

>>7896544
If you're telling people to draw ugly old people as Da Vinci did then I gladly will. I should start with you first! Post your face, Anon.

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why is he drawing all the features at once, that's the most difficult way to learn to draw faces

>>7897669
Because that's how just about every beginner artist starts out, thinking drawing is just eyeballing the lines and xerox machine printing everything in one go. It's when they're introduced to fundies and building things out of basic shapes they start to develop a better workflow. That is unless you're this guy who still doesn't have a clue what the construction lines he's shitting on the canvas are meant for. Probably because he's more focused on churning out content for his YT channel than figuring out what's wrong with his drawing.

>>7897721
>>7897669
He should be focusing on getting his proportions accurate with simple lines that denote the brow ridge/eye-line/bottom of nose/mouth. Only AFTER your proportions are consistently accurate should you be even considering placing features on them.

But yea, he's probably just interested in churning out content than analyzing how to learn better.

>>7897721
well even eyeballing copying he should be getting much closer. I have no clue if hes trying to copy or do his own thing since hes so off on everything. not one line is even remotely close on the examples provided itt

>Schizoing out this hard on some random /beg/
You niggers have no intention of actually drawing, do you?

>>7897740
He's not random, he's been talked about here before. Lurk more kudasai.

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>>7897728
>>7897737
Well, to be fair to the guy I think I see some improvement. There is an honest attempt to place the major masses and landmarks accurately, he just seems to get tripped up by small things like the bangs partly covering the eyebrows and as a result he gets the brow line and the angle of the head wrong. He's also at the stage where he knows the general placement of some more distinctive landmarks but doesn't understand how they work so he just makes a guess and sticks them ontop, like the collar bones and especially the breasts that look more like a butt crack. I don't know if he's done any deeper studies on anatomy, judging by his videos it looks like he's mostly drawing from reference alternating between photographs and screenshots of anime girls.

>>7895611
Raw unfiltered look into the mind of the /beg/

>>7897740
nobody actually draws on this board retard

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seeing people not improve at drawing makes me unbelievably angry

>>7897669
>should
There's more than one way to learn to draw, though he does tend to draw construction lines and completely ignore it.
>>7897740
Stop this holier than thou shit, it is a part of human nature to shit on people., every one in every field does it. I just wish these autists didn't go in the comment section trying to sound smart because they're 5% better than this guy.
>You niggers have no intention of actually drawing, do you?
I usually come to this board AFTER I'm done drawing to goof off, like you and your comments.

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This one is really cute.
Maybe he should just NOT use reference.

>>7898227
I believe that IS referenced from an anime, can't for the life of me recall it's name but the character is familiar. This >>7895956
is his animu drawing skills without reference.

>>7898230
can you draw better anime than the wolf of arbiter without references?

>>7898230
Isn't that the Vizard bitch from bleach? I'm terrible with remembering anime names I have to do a search everytime someone names anyone from JJK still don't remember the Sakura of the main group's name.

>>7898312
No she's Zoe from Dinosaur King. Get your eyes checked, you're going blind.

>>7897379
Why does the bottom say "quilty" instead of "quality"

>>7895611
I love Arbie. He actually makes me feel talented.

All the best to him.

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>>7898227
>>7898230
>>7898312
>>7898316

>>7895956
>All that construction shit for the head only to symbol draw everything else
Holy shit, I get it now, fuck this guy.

>>7895832
We must foreheadgo bigger!

>>7895943
Neck must go long!

he keeps saying the same shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHyAHfpAKjo

>>7899892
>sorta kinda sorta spinning my wheels
he says this every video

>>7899913
It's frustrating to listen to

>>7899913
>>7900281
it's entertaining to me. almost like some sort of perverted performance art

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Not perfect but it's what I got

>>7895636
floating penis

>>7901355
Cute!!
>>7901389
Gotta be honest man this looks like the drawing Napoleon gave to Trisha

>>7895943
Great work

>>7901421
Yeah fair enough

>>7896393
>just draw the contours
>omit lines (literally the opposite)
WHICH IS IT?

>>7898602
Nice, but that's painting, not drawing

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>>7901543
Not that anon but omit lines as in leave out all but the absolutely necessary details, like >>7896393
spelled out:
>don't draw the bridge of her nose, skip the nostrils, or just draw the nostril holes only
Obviously you need to include the parts that make the image read such as contour lines, but things like the nose and lips are difficult to describe with bold lines. One may just use lines to indicate the deepest crevices where the shadows are darkest, and use tone to show more subtle palin changes.

>>7901745
*plane changes, my bad.

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>>7897669
I can feel myself getting worse just by looking at these. Genuine cognitohazard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3LaScnoKI
>focused on making comics rather than endless practice
>not worrying if things aren't perfect
>still doing practice, but more structured this time
>actually doing courses
Wolfbros... is our boy... gmi?

>>7905140
Didn't he already draw this before? Is this a rerun?

>>7905385
He's making a sequel.

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>>7905140

>>7905385
>questioning why someone is redrawing something

NGMI

>>7901745
show me the page in fun with a pencil that says anything remotely close to this

>>7905140
He wasted 2 years to only start making it now, soul crushing

>>7905140
literally all four of those things he's been doing and pointing out for the past however many years.

>>7905573
>fun with a pencil
>fell for FWAP
does /ic/ still?

>>7906618
do you niggers draw or just argue with each other all day which kiddie drawing book is better?

arbiterwolf lights up my day, deal with it

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>>7905573
>fun with a pencil
Why, what does it have to do with anything here? I haven't read it personally. Far as I know that book aims to just show beginners how to draw simple caricatures out of simple shapes and, as the title implies, have fun trying to give your ideas form, and IIRC doesn't really delve into observational drawing that much.

>>7896544
if the reference is uninspired, the art will be, don't really understand what is so difficult about this
>but subjective taste
no

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>>7895611
I still don't get this hair stuff bros

Every time I feel like shit about my own art I see this guy uploading a new video makes me glad that I'm not this type of guy trying to restrict himself from practicing an hour daily, this guy practices his "fundamentals" only to just ditch them outright and ignore what he learned and it bothers me so damn much that I feel like I regressed just looking at him.

>>7906761
I thought fundamentals allow you to draw anything tho? Now i have to make sure the reference has the mandate of loomis?

I fucking love begtube

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>>7895620

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>>7895611
Did it in 5 minutes or less

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>>7906618
yes and FWAP can suck it

>>7908700
meant for >>7906637

>>7895623
he's put in too much effort for this to be a troll anymore
i think he's genuinely just phoning it in that hard, like he doesn't really have a passion for drawing. he just wants to mindlessly do work in hopes that he will magically improve from it, dedicating himself to reach arbitrary goals like that 100 head challenge.
you can see from his process that he hardly ever corrects himself, he isn't stopping to take a look at his work to make sure he's doing it right. he needs a mentor to watch over him and show him exactly how to fix his fuckups

>>7907680
nice

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>>7897669
>>7896616

Even with tracing values, lips are always the hardest for me

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>>7905559

>>7895620
Okay. You first.

>>7895699
looks like an entirely different person anon

>>7901355
why her far eye buggin out lmao

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>>7898602
How long have you been painting? What exercises did you use to start learning? I want to learn to paint like you.

>>7895699
ignore the crabs this is good but the mouth gesture is inaccurate

>>7908757
Any mentor would just give up on him

>>7908797
The problem I find with lips is that less is more. Adding too many lines, line in >>7897669, looks bad. It's usually better to do draw them using values.

>>7908833
>>7895699
>>7908934
>>7896624
>>7895807
>>7895731
The problem with this drawing is that it strays from the reference significantly.
/ic/ constantly says, "draw what you see" and "copy the reference" and yadayada, and then they never actually show what a faithful copy is. It's always highly stylized art.

It makes me wonder if no one on /ic/ can really copy a face faithfully and has to rely on "style" just to get something viable since I tried to learn portrait drawing and doing it correctly is fucking hard as fuck. I've never seen it done here.

>>7909297
nobody picks up art to become a human photocopier, you are dumb

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Mouse in Paint, 5 minutes.
How'd I do?

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>>7908797
Change image to greyscale and try again.
Don't try to draw a face. Just look at the borders formed by values.

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>>7909345
Shit I didn't see the pony tail.
It's okay I fixed it in the reply editor.

>>7909342
Sure, but CAN you do it?
People on here say that you need to be able to draw something accurately to be able to draw well but I haven't seen proof that all these people who can drew well (even though it's stylized) can draw a face accurately.

Seems to me like it's false advice to waste beginners time with something that even experienced artists can't even do well.

>>7909342
>>7909391
To further drive the point home, when I studied Japanese, people said you had to learn all 2,500 Kanji.

Actual Japanese people barely know 1,200 of them.

This is true for almost any skill you try to pursue. People will tell you to do useless shit that even the really good people don't do. I am trying to figure out what is useless and what is absolutely essential.

A lot of art advice out there is just artists pulling shit out of their ass. Telling people to read a book they fucking skimmed or do an exercise they've never done before just because it sounds correct theoretically. But what I've noticed is that artists who are good never did that shit. Their learning was chaotic and most of the things they know is from just bruteforce. Doing something a bunch of times until they get it right.

This is good for the artist as they learn how to do something but bad for teaching. You can't teach bruteforce, you can only teach a method. So if you drew 1,000 anime pictures to learn observation rather than still lifes, you can't say that because it's obviously inefficient. So you just make up some other shit.

This is why /beg/ can't improve and no one has shown me proof yet that the sticky actually works. Show me a single student of /ic/ who actually went from /beg/ to /int/.

/ic/ has been around for more than a decade yet you can't even provide us with that?

Says a lot about how little you can actually learn from this website.

>>7909394
Accuracy is nonsense.
Everyone that learnt how to draw well learnt by fucking around and having fun drawing exaggerated and funny shit. That's not just how you learn drawing, it's how the brain stores information, it filters things that are samey while making sure to remember things that break patterns. It's le science. Everyone in this thread who is trying to perfectly replicate every line is never going to make it. They're been trying to be perfectionists for years. Meanwhile everyone who draws stupid shit becomes great. It's a pattern you see everywhere.

>people come to brag in turbobeglet thread
it's all so tiresome

>>7908852
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/5104222

>>7908852
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/5024522
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/4713425
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/S3845253

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>>7909405
I have been drawing since 2021, I used to draw for fun and anime girls, since a year I have been trying to draw more realistic and "accurated". But now I just cannot draw anything without anime style. I am fuck.

>>7909391
>>7909394
ur just talking bro, you haven't been around to see the artists that got good here. obviously when you look in /beg/ all you're going to get is /beg/'s
no artist in the history of ever has gotten good without reference. it logically follows that they're drawing for accuracy, no matter what specific method they use

>>7910102
You say that and yet I never see it actually done.
The majority of /ic/ is either /beg/ or nodraws. Just because one or two people got good on /ic/ doesn't mean it was because /ic/ that they got good. That's just survivorship bias.

why are you all so invested in this guy's career

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>>7897669

Here is another drawing. Though I drew her from lower angle

>>7910184
permabegs are interesting, they always have different reasons for why they are so retarded

He should seek a mentor and then change his name to ascended wolf.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFCbQSW-UGU
Dogbros... the dog isn't doing too well...

>>7912623
>Not using references of a truck and dog to draw said truck and dog
He's going to be fucked forever

>>7912623

This made me chuckle out loud because of how absurd it is. Maybe he should stick to badly drawn comics like this, found his niche.

>>7912623
>uses the basic bitch box angle that middle schoolers scribble in their notebooks
not being able to apply knowledge from drawabox is unforeseen levels of ngmi

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>>7912623

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>>7912623
what a chad lmao
fuck using references

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It’s been about two years since I started drawing from scratch.
How many years does it generally take to reach an intermediate level?

>>7912629
performance art conspiracy theoristbros... we're gaining traction

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>>7912623

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my attempt

>>7912623
/dog/ bros.... I don't feel so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZCXdEQXgk
damn the sketch of top left looks kinda good

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>>7895611
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED
https://www.youtube.com/@liimiimhaywaas/videos

>>7916035
holy kek this is like a perfect case study and collection of the most common beg errors that aren't even really skill related
>canvas too small, no room to draw outside of the intended frame
>not taking general measurements for proportions
>working from one area to the next instead of big to small, going for face and hair details ebfore
>half the time of the drawing is spent on putting down the flat colors by meticulously trying to fill in within the borders costing valuable attention

>>7912623
Thats a wallet? I thought the dog had a condom wrapper in its mouth.

>>7916035
soul

>>7916035
7 years of drawing for this?

learning construction and anatomy of a face is like so fucking useless unless you are very interested in portrait drawing it's weird that every beg gets hung up on it.

You'll get further just doing stylized copies of artist faces you like and Huston's simple triangle mask attached to a neck than you will with grinding this type of stuff.

>>7915610
SEXO

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>>7918838
you underestimate the power of autism

>>7918949
*curse