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>>7908407

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>>7908410
Ingenious, famous, rich, Christian.

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>>7908407
You guys ever just paint shit until it looks cool? Underrated painting strategy

>>7908407
whats the cheapest trad set up for full color paintings?
the other watercolor thread kinda disappointed me coz i though you could draw with gouache on regular printing paper just fine :/

>>7908595
Probably still watercolor. The paint tends to go farther, and watercolor paper is still cheaper than canvas or boards. You also don't need special medium or solvent, since water does both.

>>7908410
A very based and redpilled man.

>>7908546
>You guys ever just paint shit until it looks cool?
Yes. And you just skip the second part of the equation?
>>7908595
>set up for full color paintings?
It depends on what you mean by that. In a way, there is only one medium that is completely painterly, oil paint basically defines what painting is.
Many color effects that are possible with oil are impossible with water colors. In theory, if you are masochistic enough, you should be able to reproduce nearly every oil painting with acrylics, but only in theory really.

So in the end it's really rather oil or whatever else.

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First attempt at painting

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>>7908641
Be conscious of texture, for instance these flared brushstrokes invoke hair, likely why you “cut off” the paint there because you knew it looked correct but couldn’t replicate it, but in other places the texture seems to be getting muddled by your own opinions of the paint. Paint does what it wants try to get used to the fact that sometimes, like in pic related it just does what you need it to without having to force it to do so

>>7908672
I will take this into account, thank you!

Anyone ever try making their own pens/markers? I'm thinking of retard-ing something later and wanted to see if anyone had any experience.

>>7908684
I asked in the last thread. Nobody answered.
I need a refill for my yellow posca marker.

>>7908546
Anons, is this guy mentally ill?

>>7908684
I put a 6 inch section of 12 gauge wire in a 2mm clutch pencil so now I can do silverpoint drawing

>>7908727
No, he's an artist.

>>7908727
Yes, but we don't talk about that.

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>>7908733
Shit, forgot to crop.

>>7908727
https://www.youtube.com/@briancomforti3890
He's even better than mentally ill

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>>7908765
You just hate me because I have swag and sex appeal

>>7908790
No, I meant that unironically

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Self por

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>>7908803
exceptionally poor stylistic choice with the jaw values, it looks like an ayy lmao chinlet

>>7908803
I like it but your signature looks like a butthole

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>>7908817
Thanks. Here's another self por

This general has really fallen off. The last one was utter dog shit as well. Lots of bad actors spewing bullshit. I won't be posting here anymore until the trolls have gotten bored.

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>>7908818
Hahaha yeah, that's true I suppose. It's the Hagal rune. Copied from lord and saviour Heinrich Himmler, who signed his love letters with it.

>>7908803
>>7908819
>falls in love with himmler
>morphs into an aryan
What did he mean by this?

>>7908820
>I won't be posting here anymore
Lol, Brian is finally defeated.

>>7909239
Doubt. That is clearly a weak individual with nary a speck of Brian's artistry nor quality of spirit.

>>7908708
Well, shit, I guess we're starting up an arts and crafts project.
I've been having an issue where a lot of my watercolor pens are too saturated for what I need, so I want to make brush pens that can hold custom pigmented fluid.

Yesterday I took some ground-up chalk acrylic and let it soak in water. Not the same, I know, but still good to test pigmenting some fluid, since starting with cheap watercolors ground up isn't going to give me the range I want.
I'm going to be picking up some denser foam, a cheap fountain pen, cheap watercolors, and a syringe later to try to construct it this week. Will post the results when I get to it.

>>7909269
I tried to figure out, which acrylic dispersion is best for inks, but couldn't find anything.
Not sure if you can use airbrush medium to mix it directly with pigment.

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Reference sheet, anyone else do these for paintings?

>>7909350
As a hardcore hater of yours, your pastels and drawings are better (except the anime porn maybe). I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not a compliment or anything, baka.
Your oil paintings are disgusting, they are an insult to art itself. Your drawings are okey.
Just put the brush away, it's not yours.

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>>7909378
My artistic forefather is Edgar Degas who also could barely paint relative to his drafting abilities. Coming to painting later means you can never rise above drawing with the paint. Painting is for women anyways

Ok, so I finally started using my light table now, and while it's really fun to use, I now have the problem of not knowing which paper I should use.
It's not the best light table. There are probably ones with brighter light. That's why I prefer using transparent paper on it, because like this I really can mirror the drawings well.
However, drawing on transparent paper feels a bit awkward. It's more slippery than normal paper.
And when I try to ink, I currently just put copy machine paper over it and trace. Copy paper is not good for inking tho. When I use thicker paper I can't see the lines shining through very well. So I am not really sure which paper I should use now. I really like drawing with light table but the paper situation is a bit complicated now. Any recommendations?

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>not jewish
>master painter
>muh forefather
Lol, what did Brian mean by that?

>>7909435
Thats the problem with a light table, never got used to it.

>>7909289
I'm probably going to try that next if the water doesn't work out.
My issue is that I don't have an easy way to get/cut nylon for a proper brush tip, so I'm just using felt/foam. I need something that can move through that. Alcohol would be perfect for the texture on the tips this would make, if I wasn't concerned it would melt the tip.

>>7909445
Do you think maybe buying a better light table could fix it? I'm sure there some with brighter light. Mine is really not the best. It's not even evenly shining light. There are brighter and darker spots on it.

>>7909444
There are four accepted schools of painting that stem from the Renaissance: Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael, Durer.

Raphael leads to Degas, which basically means draftsmanship over painting but not to Durers level. It’s a bit hard to research and the distinctions can seem arbitrary sometimes but all modern art styles do trace back to the renaissance. Gauguin and Picasso are also Raphaelites. Basically anyone Dutch before 1900 traces back to Durer including Van Gogh (inspired by Millet)

This is where terms like “Pre-Raphaelite” originate because most academic schools reject Raphaelite painting as stylistic and nonsensical compared to his older contemporaries. Raphaels work is also much more erotic than the other Old Masters

>>7909450
On a brighter light table you would have to cover everything but the piece of paper, otherwise it will blind you. I have a bigger copic light table, and light leaking on the sides is the most annoying aspect of using it.

>>7909456
What? I think you are mixing stuff up.
4 painting styles: sfumato (Leonardo), chiaroscuro, unione (Raphael) and cangiante (Michelangelo)
And two basic styles of drawing. Raphaels soft, realistic drawings, with an emphasis on the outlines. And mannerism, drawing style with a lot of movement and Greek proportions, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Rubens and a lot of other people drew like that.
French academics followed Raphael's drawing style. Today Vilppu for example teaches mannerism.

>>7909289
>>7909269
i might be telling something you guys already know but this is an important distinction to have you head wrapped around when trying to make pens.
theres a big difference between ink (coloured using a liquid dye) - usually mixed in alcohol, and acrylic 'ink' (coloured using a pigment). to my knowledge dyes dont have pigment codes the same way powders do and im pretty sure many of tthem are sourced from entirely different raw materials.

while pigments can be blended using both alcohol and water, but need a binder to keep the particle slurry glued together (both as a workable product, and for a non-smudgy/sticky final result) . dyes dont (i think) as they are already fully liquefied, and fully penetrates paper/fabric - fusing with the surface as it dries.

>>7909477
>theres a big difference between ink (coloured using a liquid dye) - usually mixed in alcohol, and acrylic 'ink' (coloured using a pigment)
Nonsense, ink is originally just soot in water, later iron gall which isn't a dye either, but chemically causes paper to darken. Dyes fade, they're not suitable for writing

>>7909485
>ink is originally just soot in water, later iron gall which isn't a dye either, but chemically causes paper to darken.
historically yes
>Dyes fade
yes, some more than others
>they're not suitable for writing
tell that to biro, pilot and parker
lodge a complaint with copic while youre at it

>>7909501
Fuck off, ESL retard

>>7909504
sorry if this information upsets you lol
never wondered why your copic markets dont have pigment codes or light fastness ratings?

>>7909501
...do you think copics are lightfast? do you sign documents with copics? what the fuck are you talking about, copics are fugitive and fade in like 6 months, they're made for throwaway reproductions

dye based writing inks aren't lightfast either, that's why everyone buys carbon and nano pigment inks and you don't see documents written in ballpoint pens in museums, you fucking retard

>>7909513
>>7909504

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>>7908641
Second attempt turned out quite disastrous. Oh well, I will keep trying

>>7909527
what are you even trying, you can fit an entire head there, you can't even judge the values against that background

>>7909532
I’m trying to learn the structure of different facial features you silly billy

>>7909537
that's something you do by drawing, stop acting like a retard

>>7909539
It’s practice, to become comfortable with the medium

>>7909514
>>7909514
>...do you think copics are lightfast?
ofc not
>dye based writing inks aren't lightfast either, that's why everyone buys carbon and nano pigment inks
wtf are you on about? are you trying to tell me everyone is using a fountain pen?
>and you don't see documents written in ballpoint pens in museums, you fucking retard
most people arent writing something down they need to exhibit in a museum. dye based pens are suitable for everyday purposes and its what 99% of people have at hand. black/blue will fade in sunlight but its not about to fucking disappear off the pages of your notebook anytime soon

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>>7909531
wut? pigmas are called pigma because they're pigmented, you can buy them anywhere, only the shittiest pens use dyes
most basic fountain pens will take pigment and iron gall inks, it's just the fancy engraved ones and the like that are iffy

>>7909544
lmao imagine shameposting and still not knowing your run of the mill drawing pens are pigment based
sad

>>7909540
you're not "getting comfortable with the medium" when you don't even know what you're attempting to shape the medium into, retard
draw before painting, you're spending 10x more time on a single /beg/ exercise for no benefit

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>>7909544
>wtf are you on about? are you trying to tell me everyone is using a fountain pen?
Anon, I...

>>7909548
I attempt to shape da medium into da nose :-)

>>7909550
>get basic advice that stood the test of literal centuries
>hurr durr
stay permabeg

>>7909551
Actually I spent the day sketching noses and ended with a 40 minute attempt at painting one

>>7909545
>>7909547
funny you say 'drawing pen' and not 'writing pen'
if you asked a stranger on the street if they have a pen you could borrow, do you really expect them to whip out a pigma?

the majority of people have never once seriously considered the chemical make up of their pen and why should they? cheap, mass produced, dye based pens are ubiquitous and entirely suitable for everyday writing

>>7909556
>cope intensifies
ink means pigment, dyes are a historical fad that is already over and not used for any archival purposes in first world countries and was never used for art by a white man
>but hurr durr drawing
you're on a drawing board in a thread about traditional art, get the fuck out with your chink water slop

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>>7909558
>chink water slop
>bought Iroshizuku ink last month
>quite expensive
>by arrival found out its not waterproof and not lightfast
>to lazy to send it back
>havent even unpacked the bottle jet

>>7909556
The majority of "people" are retards whose writing will never matter to anyone, there's a reason there were only like 2-3 presidents that used ballpoint pens before switching to rollerballs. In the history of ink, dyes are a footnote, stop acting like a retard because you said something stupid 3 hours ago.

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>>7909565
That is why I only use premiere French chink ink. If I can't see the bump on the paper from across the room, basically your ink is SHIT.

>>7909569
I wanted a thin, wet ink with shading effect. My sketch ink is too dry.

>>7909558
>ink means pigment
here are some quotes from wikipedia to make this easier for you retards
"Ink is a gel, sol, or solution that contains at least one colorant, such as a dye or pigment,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ink
A dye is a colored substance that is soluble in some solvent; by contrast pigments are insoluble or nearly so in all solvents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dye

>>7909567
>The majority of "people" are retards whose writing will never matter to anyone
but youre not, and your shitposts matter. you deserve to own a fancy pen, like the one trump has.

>>7909667
thanks bro, here's one for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

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>>7909550
They will say this to you and then, when you can draw it with a pencil after drawing in pencil for 8 years and you try to paint it they will say "This isn't done in a painterly way, you need to learn to paint properly it looks like you're trying to use the brush like a pencil"

>>7909683
What the FUCK are you even talking about, retard? What does "the structure of different facial features" have to do with "done in a painterly way" and "trying to use the brush like a pencil"?

>>7909688
toxic fag is mad again, lol

>>7909676
>try to explain theres a difference between pigments and dye to help an anon with his DIY project
>ESL!
>Retard!
>Jew!
idk why i bother

>>7909693
Can you stop projecting for 2 minutes, retard? Answer the question, what does understanding the STRUCTURE, ie knowing what the fuck it is you're drawing/painting, have to do with the stylistics of the rendition?
Fucking Michelangelo did drawing studies before painting, but you're too good to know what a fucking nose looks like before trying to paint it?

don't fall for the drawing trap

>>7909695
the implication was that something being on wikipedia doesn't make it real, not that you're a kike, you esl retard

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>>7909696
thinking that painting is the same as coloring a drawing is such a low iq thing to do, even Brian knows better

>>7909705
Nobody's talking about coloring a drawing, retard, do you even know what structure means?

>>7909708
>do you even know what structure means?
no, im a painter, not a retard like you, i paint light, not structure
jesus, imagine being more retarded than Brian

>>7909527
>>7909705
>the average skill level of a brian decrier
oh nononono ahahahahahaha
brian bros we just can't stop winning

>>7909711
>i paint light, not structure
Light on what, retard?

>>7909713
Nose bro here, please don’t drag me into your boring drama

>>7909700
oh right, the great lie that inks, dyes, and pigments are different things. beware, its not just wikipedia shilling this nonsense, every other website seems to be in on it too. dont let them get to you though, you might be the only one who sees the truth.

>>7909716
esl

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>im a painter, not a retard like you, i paint light, not structure

>>7909721
>1774099103162089.jpg
Edgar Degas?

>>7909717
sorry, i didnt realise i was speaking to one. which sentence did you get stuck on?

>>7909727
>realise
thirdie, pls

>>7909728
>what is british english
the american mind cant comprehend

>>7909731
>what is british english
something spoken in countries where you get arrested for posting about the roving gangs of rapists in your neighborhood on the internet before you're stabbed by someone called muhammad lol

>>7909733
migger mad

>>7909733
also spoken in nz, where that doesnt happen.

>>7909737
ah yes, the first world country where half naked brown people with facial tattoos do tribal dances while shouting about eating people and shitting them out before going home to die of bronchiectasis like the first worlders in africa, very first world

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>>7909696
Where is this psychotic hostility coming from in a traditional painting thread? You're basically screaming like a retard at a bunch of geriatrics in a calm atelier. Quiet down, or I'll call the police.

>>7909744
how new

>>7909746
>It's a time honored tradition to act like a nutcase
Fuck off to /b/

>>7909749
lurk before posting

>>7909749
Nigger, the main tradfags on the board are Brian and illastrat, acting like a nutcase is what started the thread

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>>7909749
>newfag telling someone to go back

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>>7909751
>People have been calling me a new fag since 2007
Some things never change.

The problem with traditional art is that you eat paint and become insane

>>7909758
...problem?

>>7909761
*tradition

>>7909733
>only one first world country on earth and its murica
only one first world country with school shootings, no healthcare and a fentanyl epidemic, thats for sure

>>7908821
stop drawing himmler you fucks

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good morning!

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how the fuck you paint with this much detail? brushes arent small enough even

Good morning sars!

Got a set of sable brushes from a kickstarter I backed. They're all small sizes so I mainly intend to use them for inking. How do I care for them so they don't get ruined by the ink?

>>7910211
Traditional paintings who look really detailed and clean with filigree lines, they are usually painted on bigger canvas.

If you try to do something like this on just A4 paper, you will most likely fail, unless you are some really talented miniature painter or something perhaps. It has to be at least A3 paper.

>>7910211
paint bigger, dumbass

>>7910250
You maintain brushes usually just by washing them with soap after use and keep them air tight

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Doing copies

>>7910531
are you though

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>>7910535
>heh are you though?

>>7910531
worst copy ive ever seen

>>7910540
well?

>>7910531
Not only looks it bad, but you manage to let oil look like acrylics. Wasn't it possible for you to paint such a children's painting in one sitting?

Ayo niggas im puttin in 10 layers of acryllic white mixed wid beige and its still not covering and is transparents what the fuk is wrong with trad painting where you cant do shit

>>7910562
>beige
Holly mother of casual.

>>7910567
im trying to paint a robe like the OP bitch

>>7910569
>OP bitch
Boy oh boy, are you cringe.
Beige is femoid lingo, we don't use it here.
Post what you've done first, before asking what's wrong with it, that's how it works.

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Study of two horse heads

>>7909731
>>7909733
Neither of you should be arguing about language if you can't even capitalize your sentences properly.

>>7910689
I can't see two horse heads.

>>7910730
I'm not interested in imposing an interpretation upon the audience and I don't understand where this obsession with that comes from besides obviously being a little unskilled artcel bitch

>>7910578
this, beige is a gay little reddit word
we call it a low chroma warm orange tint or 7YR 8/5 for short

>>7910826
>I'm not interested in imposing an interpretation upon the audience
You're a postmodern cunt and part of the global movement to destroys European art. All the it's not a pipe subversive bullshit.

>>7910829
I'm both more European and more of an artist than you could ever even conceive of being, and your implicit assertion that Degas is a postmodernist is almost as laughable as your work

>>7910831
Whatever Brian, you folks will not provoke me to fedpost again, im not buying a new pc again. Especially after you reptiloids have risen hardware prices, to push your anti-ownership agenda.
Degas, what Degas? The guy with the pipe was Rene Magritte.
Degas and Impressionist in general are complicated, i consider them the last real European art movment, but it was the beginning of the end. Academic art may have been a little bit stail, and Impressionism brought fresh ideas, yes. Impressionism was already infected.
I think Impressionism is okey, otherwise, you would have to reject Renaissance as well, as too progressive in the depiction of Christ and Saints.
P.S. Degas would hate your art as much as i do.

>>7910853
Not gonna lie, I didn't read any of that but you sound mad af

>>7910874
>I didn't read any of that
Such postmodern thing to do, Brian.

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>Such postmodern thing to do, Brian.

yeah, I'm thinking brian won

>>7910981
He won 38 times in the last 4 weeks, sure.

>>7911035
obsessed

w-why is the trad thread so toxic b-bros, t-tourist h-here

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>>7911263
Idk

>>7911263
They try to destroy art, you need to develop a resilience against their subversive trickery.

>>7911263
the weak should fear the strong

>>7911263
A couple fags are trying to use this place to bully some tard instead of improving their own lives or craft. I saw this same shit in the guitar general, you people are a plague.

Made a present for my mother. Will probably also turn it into prints.

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>>7911485
Whoops. Forgot image.

>>7911263

Trolls. You're better off posting your stuff in the other generals.

>>7911487

It's nice anon but it would have benefitted a lot from keeping the concept of "if the shadows are warm colours, then the lights are cool, and vice versa" in mind. Currently everything is pretty much the same hue. Try that for the next piece.

>>7911541
what's nice about it

>>7911487

Also, for the waterdrops, those could have been painted a bit more crisp. They would be more convincing with razor-sharp edges.

>>7911549

Fuck off, you trolling cunt.

>>7911555
>makes statement
>when asked to elaborate, acts like a hysterical liberal woman confronted with statistics
lol

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Pair painting 1/2

>>7911637
2/2

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>>7911638
>>7911637
Im an idiot. 2/2

>>7911639
>>7911637
These are still very WIP although I'm a bit farther with Valkyr than Ivara (green one)

>>7911639
at a certain point isnt this just abstract art? or max ernst style surrealism. i feel like youre trying to define what the image is in a weird way, when 99% of ppl will see an abstract painting here, not a bad one, but not your intention obviously

>>7911645
Yeah I can see that. It probably really depends on if you're familiar with Warframe or not

>>7911541
So, I painted the shadows with cool ultramarine blue mixed in, and the highlights with a flame red. It is most definitely not all the same hue.

>>7911637
>>7911639
Are you trying to recreate the style of the ai tracing fag from youtube?
What is the reason for the background color to drip over the subject?

>>7911639
>>7911637
It's shit, but more importantly it's not even what the paintings look like irl, so what's the point in posting them in the first place? Getting crits on your digital photo editing skills?

>>7911709

It sure looks like you have the same temperature everywhere though, so you really should push your colours. But whatever, then don't and stay at the mediocre-at-best level where you are currently at.

>>7911763
Nta
Pyw fag
You won't

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>>7911850

Seethe eternally, midcuck.

>>7911854
You're drinking again, Brian?
P.S. i should have done a better job on the shadow, the skull looks fine, desu.
Have not drawn traditionally since last year. But gained a decent level up while drawing digitally. I wonder how much of it will show in trad.

>>7911854
>posts student work anatomy render.

Pathetic

>>7911720
If you are referring to alpay efe yes I'm using his style of deconstructing / reconstructing pieces of a portrait as inspiration for how I'm handling the abstract elements of these two. I'm not aware of him tracing AI.
I just think drips are cool. I wasn't able to figure out the paint roller thing he does so I'm just doing my own thing which gives a sort of similar feel. It's harder than I expected.

>>7911738
Keeping in mind these aren't finished, is there a reason why it's shit or are you just being unpleasant for no reason?
I have done zero editing on these photos aside from putting a polarizing filter on my phone camera to get rid of glare and shooting that. The lighting does seem to enhance the darks a bit and wash out some colour though I won't disagree with that, but not much I can do there with my current setup.

>>7911935
>deconstructing / reconstructing pieces of a portrait
So, you are a postmodernist?

1st time doing trad.
any resources on mixing color? preferably more systematic and centered on technique rather than mood. once a mox is gone i can't get it back again hahhahah

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>>7912082
forgot pic

>>7912082
there are multiple math models for pigment mixing are none of them actually predict how pigment mixes across the full spectrum, you're gonna have to come to terms with the fact that it's a heuristic endeavor

>>7912082
You are lacking control. Work on your drawing, values and paint application techniques first. At your stage, you don't need no special mixing techniques.
>once a mox is gone i can't get it back again
First learn to mix the same value again, hue and saturation is farm less important.
P.S. techniqually allready better then Brain.

>>7912080
I'm just painting nerd shit man, I wish I knew any of that stuff.

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>>7912082
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
tl;dr: depends entirely on the pigments in question, you're better off learning how the ones you use mix than going full reddit with theory

>>7912084
>>7912091
>>7912138
thanks! so i guess I will have to accept that i won't get it precisely for a while and focus on value rather hue. I thought of doing master studies for awhile before painting from life does that make sense

>>7912173
muh value is a bit of a midwit meme, using a value scale makes checking values easy, avoiding mud while producing adequate temperature difference is what makes a painting actually look good
realistically, you should have a grasp on value before you even start using color, if you need to sacrifice color for value, you already fucked up and should go back to basics

>>7912173
>focus on value rather hue
Yes, but it doesn't necessary mean you have to paint black and white. You can use the same palette that was used in the original painting. Just try to hit value first, at your stage it will take at least a couple of years.
Brian-san is doing it for many, many years and still can't do it.

>>7912173
Protip: always do the opposite of whatever someone so mid he's obsessively seething about Brian tells you

oils are for women and cucks lol

>>7912222
im gonna oil you up

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Painted this while watching the lighthouse

>>7912696
You are watching a lighthouse?

>>7912700
The movie with Robert Pattinson and Willem Defoe

>>7912724
It does not look like a movie.

>>7912763
Well that’s because that’s an oil painting, my friend. The movie is a film, made with cameras and actors, as opposed to paint on a canvas which is different

>>7912765
Gotcha, how long are you painting?

>>7912769
Started it last night worked on it on and off finished it this morning by adding a boat from one of my sketchbooks

>>7912770
I mean in general.

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Can I make 1k/month with this type of painting this is incomplete about 12 hours of work. 50% to go roughly. About me: average IQ, poor work ethic, work slow, respect for the craft I'm willing to copy from life but my own works are with no references. Also I guess ask me anything. Just kidding around lel.

>>7912869
In every aspect better than Brian.

>>7912696
the ship's really nice, but the foreground is too lazy to work
I also think compositionally the right side's a blunder and you went too hard into the reds for how weak the blues in the must are

>>7912869
Short answer yes, long answer is you have to work faster and moreso be willing to iterate and part with the work at lower prices. Would you be willing to sell 10 of these for $100 every month for a year? It could take an active stock of 50 listings at that price to do it, with sold work replaced by new ones. The hardest part of selling art for most artists I talk to is the unwillingness to sell the work in the first place, which every single artist feels, even if they say they don’t. It’s not a great feeling to sell anything you made, but it’s the first step to making money that most people avoid at all costs. Selling prints and whatnot instead of originals. That’s a noob trap

>>7912939
>unwillingness to sell the work in the first place, which every single artist feels, even if they say they don’t
not him, but I don't
what I feel is embarrassment to ask for money for my GARBAGE

>>7912939
So you paint pre-beg shit to not feel guilty selling it?

>>7912869
>poor work ethic
>respect for the craft

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>7912696
there are retards on here who still think brian is a bad artists because they have no idea what design is and don’t understand why confident brushwork is important

then there’s this overworked mess
>>7912869
zero idea what design is or why it matters
try paint something simple like a still life and do that well first

man this general is retarded. so is the rest of IC thoughbait

>>7912869
No

>>7913031
he is objectively a bad artist, as is everyone else here
the two fags obsessed with him just seethe because he actually engages with the market instead of larping as a temporarily unskilled classical master waiting to mature into his true form like they do

>>7913031
kys

could the brian detractors post their work?
not a study, but their actual work??

>>7913260
How good do you have to be to judge a pre-beg, lol?

>>7913286
not too good, so you shouldn’t have a problem posting your work right?
go ahead and post it

>>7913287
>go ahead and post it
You first

>he hasn't posted his work
yep

>>7911637
How much for a Hildryn?

Nezah?

>>7913165
giga triggered

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>>7913714

>the one time the cowardly seething permabeg posts an image
>it's digital and not drawn by himself
lawl

>>7913763
But enough about Brian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcr9K0BcN2s

>>7913790
buy an ad or learn to paint
you will never be an eceleb

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>>7913790
>mixing with white doesn't increase chro-ACK
>and now let me tell you about league shadow legends
closed tab

>>7913893
pyw

>>7913790
Wow this video is fucking garbage holy shit

>>7913907
How good do you have to be to judge a pre-beg, lol?

>>7913954
The basedboy is a solid beg, at least mid beg in some regards maybe even high beg. Not comparable to pre-beg Brian.

>>7913980
>Not comparable to pre-beg Brian
Yeah, he can't even sell 1/10 of what Brian does lol

>>7913985
Reason enough not to listen to most online “art teachers”, hard to find any middle ground between thinly veiled social media influencer and gallery artist propped up by parents money. That said there’s still almost nothing to learn from Brian about making art, just how to sell it

>>7914007
Selling is the more valuable lesson anyway, there's a plethora of resources for painting, hardly anything for selling that isn't some washed up boomer telling you to ask the local cafe to host your exhibit and mark up gold leaf frames 100%.
Alla Prima is as valid as when it was published, market advice from the 90s not so much.

>>7914022
Post your sales

>>7914038
How sold do you have to be to judge a pre-sale, lol?

Is there such a thing as a face checklist for portraits? Just a practical list of things to look out for?

>>7914152
wut

>>7914152
Like nose, mouth and shit?

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>>7914180
>he forgotted to draw the nose and mouth

>>7914152
We have a rhyme for it in FRG, it doesn't rhyme in English, but it may be helpful regardless.
Dot, dot, comma, dash, ready is the moon face

what the fuck is a frg

>>7914152
corner of mouth to center of eyes, inside of eyes to sides of nose?
like those?
loomis has a great page on it

>>7914253
Something like that, yes. But actually my problem is that my portraits are always skewed when I draw them from the front and even with mirroring I dont always see whats wrong or what to change exactly. I thought maybe there are some guides to be able to 'see' this in earlier stages.
Atm if I draw a portrait from the front it seems ok at first, then later I realize the left and right jaw and eyes are constructed differently, the eyes dont align in a straight line, the nose is not properly in the middle etc. and im like 'wtf why didnt I see this right away?' because its frustrating as hell.

>>7914333
this is just something you have to develop from experience and you will fail a lot but you have to be okay with that, shit can be very tedious but you just gotta accept it, some things you can do though:

lock your arm and make a series of parallel lines, pretty much guides, that mark important areas like the top of the head, bottom of the chin, eyeline, bottom of the nose, etc and make sure they are in fact parallel. then always refer to them when you're laying in some feature, CONSTANTLY make sure they're aligned

another thing you can do when drawing twinned features is to literally draw a line connecting them eg. you can create a line for the eyebrows and hang the eyebrows off of them - like writing sentences on lined paper

for double checking, you can take a picture of your drawing with your phone or a camera, something about seeing it on the camera exposes all your errors, i think the eyes get fatigued or something

pay attention to any bad habits you run into, if your eyes are constantly skewed or your nose is constantly unaligned, make sure you lock those down first, bad habits get ingrained and remain if you aren't vigilant

dorian iten has a great video on gumroad for accuracy training, i think it's free but if not then you can find it pretty easily
also check out William Maughan's Head Drawing book

>>7914333
just walk away from the drawing, you'll see the issues tomorrow

>>7914347
Thanks, I will check them out.
>>7914418
Actually what helps more is making a new drawing. But then its kinda too late to fix the previous one. And the cycle continues because the new one is also not quite right, or I regress and think the old one is not so bad, only to rediscover later it was indeed bad.

>>7914567
you literally described seeing the issues after letting time pass, retard
do the drawing, check it tomorrow, fix it, start painting the day after
work on a different painting in the meantime
you need fresh eyes to judge what you see, it's why you step away to look at the painting from afar, in a mirror, etc, your brain just gets used to whatever it's seeing

This thread is NOT comfy at all!

>>7914667
good, kys

>>7914574
No its different. I can leave a portrait for a while, come back to it and still think its decent. And then when I make a new one I suddenly see how the old one was weird. It has more to do with doing the exact same but a little different than with time.

>>7914667
Painting isn't le comfy, it hates you and wants you to suffer

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>>7912083
2nd attempt, studying some sort of african doll.
Really trying to focus on the values but the brushwork on the details is a pain ( ant th tip of my finebrushes split fuuuuuggg )
How do you deal with glare?

>>7914785
lmao dunno why they get flipped on upload

>>7914333
post that attempt for portrait

there are people in this general who are so mentally stunted they need a checklist of facial features like nose, lips, eyes (two of) and nostrils so they dont accidentallt forget a fucking facial feature

Opinion?
>>7915166

>>7915186
stay in your containment threads

>>7915190
Opinion rejected.

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>>7908407
Thoughts?

>>7915224
based movie, the nigress was mega fuckable

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>>7915224
B-brain can paint like this?
Now its official, Brian ditched the pre!

>>7915224
reverse brian be like "i can only paint hands"

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>>7915238
T-thanks

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First real acrylic painting. Calling it “king king: the official game of the movie”

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>>7915307
Looks like an RTS map, what do your drawings look like; this part looks like something in greyscale so I’m curious

>>7915307
What does it mean?

>>7915318
he's given up on learning to paint

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>>7915316
Here’s some life stuff.

>>7915321
Never that. This is the start of a very beautiful thing. I know it’s rough around the edges but it came out exactly how I wanted it to . I wanted to paint it in a way that represents how blurry my childhood feels compared to now

>>7915325
If it’s how you want it I’d just leave it and move on to a new one. Iterate, it’d be nice to see something representational on the next one ur drawings rnt bad

>>7915328
Thanks anon. I’d be painting right now but unfortunately that’s the last bit of canvas paper I have at the moment, i just used the rest of it for that piece. I’m gonna find some resources about painting until I can get more. I’d like to know some if anyone knows any

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Ref for anyone interested- I was trying to take a realistic approach to the v Rex but once it was difficult I decided to take the more abstract approach which felt more sensical in my mind.

I know I’m yapping, but damn painting is fun. I see all the hype now

>>7915318
You tell me.

>>7915337
>once it was difficult I decided to take the more abstract approach
Story of my life.
t. Brain

>>7915307
Oh I get it now, if this were oils you could do exactly this but wet into wet. Student grade oils still have the value scale and texture of oils without the chroma and they’re comparable prices to acrylics although messier

>>7915645
Okay thanks for the info. Didn’t even know what went into wet was. Any good books about painting?

>>7915645
>oils still have the texture of oils
Not really, the consistency oil cheap oil paint is more like acrylics, as are low in pigment and high in artificial thickener.
>>7915649
Alla Prima by R Schmid

>>7915724
Cool, thanks

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Painted a wood frame for this

>>7915848
sexo

>>7915848
Hot

>>7915848
Back to pre-beg again

>>7915124
Thats not the kind of checklist I meant retard. Its about the less obvious things and relative distances between features that are easy to lose sight of when ur absorbed in the drawing.

>>7915224
I like it. Really nice atmosphere. Who is it?

>>7915848
see faggots here are pretending this wouldn’t look great on the wall of a tropical bungalow in the carribean
this is why brian sells art and everyone in this thread just has moms basement crammed full of crappy unfinished drawings
“one day i will finally be good enough to make money from my art! time to get ready for my next shift at KFC”

>>7916071
Okay Brian

>>7915898
>needs a fucking checklist of facial proportions to draw
>i’m the retard
yeah bro you really showed us idiots. don’t forget to make sure you’ve checked off items 4, 5 and 7 on your checklist before you turn in your portrait to be marked off by the teacher. and if you forget to add two earlobes again you’re getting detention

>>7916073
>he isn’t Brian
ngmi

>>7916071
It looks good over the kitchen table if your 5yo child (or at least your cousin with down syndrome) had painted it. But that was produced by a grown as man; yes, most likely slightly mentally challenged, but it's still not cute at all.

Success breeds jealousy

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good morning!

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good evening!

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Kill me

>>7916533
What do you think about it?

>>7916569
I mean it's one of my worse ones but it's still better than anyone else here so

>>7916569
it looks like renoir despite my best efforts, and renoir is horribly overrated in my opinion.

>>7916569
so yeah, I've been reduced from Degas to renoir

>>7916604
Lol are you even self aware

>>7916604
>looks like renoir
dont flatter yourself its not even close

>>7916805
>>7916820
He is obviously trolling. Brain is a known attention whore.
But his ugly ass postmodern smearings are enough to hate him.

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Hello /trad/,
I am working on a /tg/ project that may eventually require a lot of art and I want to use as many artists from 4chan as possible. It will be a trading card game with over 200 cards in the first set, each requiring a piece of art.
At first I wanted to use AI for the prototype/playtest art, but eventually I wound up looking at public domain traditional art and fell in love with the styles I was discovering. It is a style that I want to help flourish in the modern time.
My question is, how many people from /trad/ accept commissions? How much would a commission typically run? Size of the artwork would be small, 8 x 10", and shrunk down to fit the size of a trading card. The setting would be alternate post-WWII America in the 30-50's ranging from all I have worked with artists from /ic/ before with great results and it would be great if I could start working with people early

>>7916839
>It is a style that I want to help flourish in the modern time
They will not let you.
As for your question, such illustrations would cost thousands of dollars. Very few people alive can paint like this.
How much money do you have?

>>7916852
I'm not looking for that, I'm looking for a lot of things like what is in this thread. I'm curious if people here offer their work and what the costs would look like

>>7916853
Op-pic is done by Big Bougi, would cost at least 1 million in American currency.
Brains "paintings" cost around 50 bucks, look it up at ebay. The rest is unknown.

>>7916839
what are your funds like?
even if you find people willing to do a sketch for $20 thats $4000 for your pack

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>>7916856
Right now the funds for the project are limited, meaning any artwork that is paid would need to be the fundamental pieces that could be used in multiple marketing pieces rather than aiming to do every card. The idea will be to take it to crowdfunding and use the money from that to finish all the necessary card art for a full release.
I've taken a couple of projects to crowdfunding before that were successful so I'm not completely foreign to the process, but it would be the first time in as art heavy as a product as this.

>>7916839
you're not getting that pic on 8x10, probably a full sheet, so 22x30, even at $1 per square inch, that'd be $660 and nobody who paints like that is doing commissions for $1 per inch, let alone commercial work
>200 cards
bruh, you'll be lucky to even find enough people to paint 200 quality trad pieces in a reasonable timeframe

>>7916863
I shouldn't have posted that art with the post as it seems to have thrown people off of the actual intent behind the post. That isn't the level of artwork that I am looking for specifically.
>even at $1 per square inch
This is the kind of information I'm looking for, what kind of commission rates to expect from someone here

I like the idea, but realistically speaking, if you aren't rich, it will not be possible.
In today's market all the technical and illustrative stuff is done with a computer, most of the time not even hand drawn.
"Fine art" is technically very weak in most cases.
Technical golden age American illustration at a high level is very hard to learn and is not part of modern job market. So you would need to find an autist, who spend 10+ years on learning a very hard and outdated craft.

>>7916872
>So you would need to find an autist
It's why I'm here, and I don't need their skill to be at the level of the typical art you may find in a public domain gallery. I'm looking for the type of art I would find here by people who come here. Their skill level would determine their asking price, which is what I'm mostly curious about

>>7916867
>That isn't the level of artwork that I am looking for specifically.
Post the level you are looking for, otherwise your question makes no sense. It's like asking how much a car cost. (with a picture of a Lamborghini attached)

>>7916859
unless the artist already happens has an audience who likes to buy post ww2 themed artwork they wont be able to resell what they create for you.
so commissioning a painting like this could cost about as much as buying a real painting.
Could be anywhere from $100 - $3000 ea depending on the artist, and the level of complexity / quality youre hoping for.

>>7916867
usually it's either n rate by surface or by diagonal
can't really tell you what rate to expect, but in trad there's only so much information you can realistically fit onto a given surface in a timeframe suitable to commercial work, so depending on what you're imagining, you might be looking at larger formats or shittier paintings than you'd like
also, like someone said, you're looking for a non-existent industry

>>7916875
>It's why I'm here
We don't have this kind of autism here, unfortunately. Most regulars in these threads are of the schizo type.

>>7916839
>this guy was 22 years old when he died

>>7916882
I bet Brain is at least double the age.
We are through dark times, guys, i hope it's over sooner than later.

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>>7916886
why hope?

>>7916877
It was a mistake to put the picture of a high level of artwork I agree, but my question is aimed at what people in /ic/ can provide. I'm not asking how much a car costs in general, but if people here can build a car and what range of costs that would look like.
>>7916878
>Could be anywhere from $100 - $3000 ea depending on the artist, and the level of complexity / quality youre hoping for.
$100 seems to be about a baseline I'm hearing, if the art can go about $1 per square inch and the pieces would probably be limited to something small like 8x10
>>7916880
>you might be looking at larger formats or shittier paintings than you'd like
also, like someone said, you're looking for a non-existent industry
That may be so, but it's why I'm trying to reach out to this thread first in particular to find those commission motivated people
>>7916881
I'm used to dealing with schizos, my other crowdfunding projects were 4chan oriented

>>7916878
also at the $100 end of the scale im imagining goopy little paintings, absolutely not 'Technical golden age American illustration ' as the other anon put it