>>7909410
Always a matter of TALENT, not age or wealth.

>>7909410
same reason learning languages are easier

>>7909410
same reason you can learn a foreign language from playing nintendo as a kid, but not as an adult
plasticitylets can cope all they want, reality cares not

>>7909410
My life has always been suffering, even as a kid.

>>7909410
Because as a kid you simply don't care

>>7909414
or reasons*
neuroplasticity etc but also
kids are not stuck in one world view, have less reservations about the limits of their own ability, and are less self conscious about making mistakes.

>>7909429
also its easier to enjoy an activity when you think you're good at it. for kids they happily know they are good at drawing when their scribbly sonic is slightly more recognizable than their classmates. your average beg tier here mogs that kid, but he spends less time drawing because he knows his work doesnt look as good as the pros.

Do kids even want to draw with AI around? They all have that “why learn math when we have calculators?” mindset.

Learning to draw wasnt easy as a kid though. People kept telling me i was good when i wasn't.

i still haven't put any effort into learning to draw
i just draw

>>7909455
This is the same argument that "kids don't go outside and just be on their Ipads playing fortnite and CODM all day" when I see a bunch of kids outside with electric bikes and fishing rods every day going up to the fast food joints all by themselves in groups.

>>7909410
Hubris

>>7909410
It isn't. I found it harder as a kid, because I was insecure and didn't want my awful drawings to be mocked.

>>7909473
People politely ignoring my attempts at drawing is the best response I ever got.

You don't give a shit as a kid
You have infinitely more time as a kid
You're not thinking about the 20 years you wasted when you're a kid
These three things are what crabs refer to as 'talent'

>>7909410
Adults are allowed to post on /ic/ so they suffer more

>>7909410
> children learning
Don't worry goyim. AI will fix that.

I've hit the peak of how good I'm going to be, now the only thing I need is mental energy and motivation. Bothing of which are rare as an adult.

Also you can't just draw anything you want if you're talentless, you have to be careful and only draw what's going to be successful.

>>7909410
You fell for the meme. I have distinct memories of 8-year-old me drawing and erasing Sonic’s eyes and nose until they looked right. You either gain standards after the age of five or you quit drawing like most people

>finally make time to draw
>its also the perfect time to catch up on sleep
>never get to draw because sleep is too hood

its over for me. Anytime I think about drawing, I start yawning I can just sleep instead.

>>7909410
> learning to draw as a kid is easy mode
I dunno anon, most kids start drawing before they can walk and don't particularly improve for shit until they are almost adults.
What makes it easy mode is that kids don't give a shit, enjoy the process and thus just draw.

>>7909410
they just have more free time, i feel that's it
free time, supportive environment whether online or off, less reservations about making "bad" art. if a kid gets really, really into art at like age 10 and they've got an ipad, if they even get a little curious and start studying seriously they'll be beastmode around 16 because that's just 6 years of having like 5 hours every day to study
as an adult you have a job, personal hang ups that kept you from learning art when you were younger, and other responsibilities and hobbies.

>>7909410
probably because kids have a shit ton of freedom and live in a caring environment that encourages learning as opposed to being an adult where not even god seems to care and everything exists to destroy you
>>7909414
wrong you can learn Japanese at the same speed as you did your mother tounge you only start speaking coherently at 4-5 and thats how long it took me to learn my 3rd language

>>7909410
>>7909803
If you want to improve at drawing (or any hobby for that matter) like how kids do, you need to have a career that gives you the same amount of free time that a kid has.

Work at a school. You get more time off when compared to the average worker doing literally any other kind of career.

>>7909563
>>7909473
Same. Until I learned practical methods of self-improving as an adult, drawing as a kid sucked.

>>7909410
In your particular case (asking questions that have common knowledge answers) it's probably a matter of low IQ.

>>7909586
the true gains goblin was /ic/ all along

>>7909868
>Work at a school
i cant be within 100 feet of any school, do you have any other recommendations?

>>7909410
Kids dont have the conscious to self crit and hold themselves back.

Just take a psychedelic trip (as a Christian I can't recommend that you make a habit out of it because overuse can lead to prelest and demonic influence or in clinical terms detachment from reality from psychosis) and get back that mindset of a child's (but Jesus would like you to just use it once and let the singular experience be a signpost towards your spiritual journey than a crutch you must use over and over again)

>>7909410
you probably just autistic retard, and that's okay!

>>7910384
Dont speak for jesus devil

learning is easy, just make the time and each experience is going to be new. Its when you become good that drawing is hard as an adult. Now you have a chance to draw turds that waste your precious time. New knowledge is extremely rare to come by and you can even get WORSE if you internalize a bad technique or explore a style that ends up being bad for you.

>>7909410
Because if you do something since you are born, you are going to be good at it: and if you happen to have talent too, you will be unmatched.

>>7909414
Learning languages as an adult with an internet connection is piss easy compared to drawing. Even moonrunes. A kid can't learn Japanese unless really forced to.

>>7910727
I spend two years studying Japanese for 6 hours a day and I know this isn't true. Even after all that studying I only barely had enough competence to understand basic Japanese. Granted, if I only focused on listening and speaking rather than writing, I probably would've been able to understand spoken Japanese, but being able to both understand spoken Japanese and written Japanese takes a MINIMUM of 5 consistent years of studying.

Learning how to draw well takes 2-3 years with similar amount of practice. It only takes 5-10 years if you practice incorrectly or skip the fundamentals.

>>7910727
no it isn't, you have more distractions with an internet connection.

The people in the past are not better at focusing, they just had fewer distractions and more direct benefits to studying things.

>>7909414
completely wrong, assuming you're not a total moron you learn way faster as an adult. babies spend their entire existence learning and they suck at it

>>7910731
you're a retard
>>7910759
so are you

>>7910762
God bless you

>>7910731
And I spent 3 years doing anki for never more than an hour a day and just playing some of the games from my backlog in Japanese when I felt I could handle them. Can't say I'm fluent yet but understand plenty, both spoken and written.
Most importantly it's straightforward as hell, you can just consume product and add words from it to your mining deck. No "fundies", no studies, no youtube tutorials, no looking at your work frustrated with being unable to comprehend what's wrong with it, some colloquialisms may require a deep google search but that's about it.
>>7910759
Try not being a dumb fuck maybe, we're not even talking about "people in the past".

>>7910815
third world mentality. you believe being smart is the ticket to a good life, so you see being dumb as being morally wrong. So what if I'm dumb? This board is about art and expressing yourself.

>>7910821
In this context, being a dumb fuck is a choice. If you're aware of those distractions, you can make a conscious effort to resist, avoid, eliminate them. That's what you brought up, so that's what I commented on, not your ability to learn.
But the way you keep making up some strawman nonsense for some reason does confirm you're pretty stupid in general, and I'm afraid I can't advise you how to deal with that.

>>7909410
I am more intelligent and mature as an adult, can optimize my learning method to get the best out of practice and can discern what path I should take to reach my goals. As a kid I would probably just divagate for years.

>>7910931
The "too old to learn" excuse was only ever a excuse, there's no basis for it, the reason why it sounds factual is because most people are stupid so it sounds true by consensus.

>>7909410
One factor is that kids think anything they put down is good and people wil praise them for it. They aren't afraid of making bad art like an adult.


Meanwhile, adults know when they're bad and drawing "Looks" easy so when they mess up and have to start from a lower level, they think "I shouldn't be this bad because I'm older. I shouldn't be making art like a kid."

As kids get older, many of them that stick with drawing do start to recognize where the holes in their skills are.

>>7910815
This is false.

The "fundies" of Japanese is the grammar. You can't just grind Anki decks and learn grammar, that's something you have to set deliberate time to. Yes, you can understand most of what's being said by just grinding vocabulary cards, that's true for any language, but you don't actually understand how and why certain words go together because all you know is vocabulary. That's the point.

This is the equivalent of just grinding anime faces over and over again for a year and getting really good at JUST drawing anime faces. See PewDiePie and that video of the anon claiming the dude was a "pro." Yes, that works because you're hyperfocusing on a very specific topic, not because the topic in general is easy to learn in a year.

>>7910762
Shut the fuck up

>>7911080
bold of you to assume everyone is retarded like you

>>7911158
I know you don't know what you're talking about. Go to any Japanese teacher and they will tell you that it takes 5 years minimum to learn Japanese and up to 10 years if you want to learn it well. Stop making shit up and making drawing to seem harder than fucking brain surgery. You're not that impressive.

>>7911172
>10 years to learn japanese well
yep you're a retard
fucking embarrassing

>>7911172
A toddler already knows "japanese well".

I started drawing seven years ago, on my 70th birthday. It’s been awful.

>>7911080
>grammar
>that's something you have to set deliberate time to
Nah you can just read. At first you want to read something like tae kim, sure, but afterwards you'll figure it out naturally. And if there's something that really trips you up you can also just turn it into an anki card.

this board is full of ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE third worlders that see everything like an MMO where you can just grind and level up slowly but surely.

(somehow managed to go full retard and quote myself after rewriting)
>>7911295
>like an MMO where you can just grind and level up slowly but surely
These days you just get to level cap ASAP and grind endgame shit to get the best thing until the next update where it's no longer the best thing so you have to do it again.

>>7909414
This geg

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>>7909508
I agree. The "kids don't go outside anymore" thing is mostly from busybody, mostly genx, suburbanites who are actually-racist but act like they aren't. They don't see as many white kids doing this shit and conclude it doesn't happen, just flatly ignoring all the nonwhite kids running around just fine because they don't see them as real people. And why do they not see said white kids running around? Because they neurotically kept them from doing fucking anything out of fear, don't even go out to do family activities because they're busying themselves trying to culturally catch up with people who are several economic rungs above them and have the disposible income to do far more, and blindly worship technology to the point that they delusionally thought that setting their kids in front of an ipad with cocomelon at age 3 would produce the next Elon Musk - the fact they don't know what Elon actually does is also part of the point.

There's also this element of older people calling anyone below 30 a "kid" - "college kids", "that kid down in shipping", "the new kid in the department", and so on. So what they might even be retardedly doing is conflating children with younger adults, and seeing the relative lack of bar hopping and other outdated unhealthy bullshit as "not going outside."
This is also all besides the fact that plenty of people ARE active out of the home. /fit/-type stuff is booming, photography as a hobby is huge, and so on.

>>7910821
>So what if I'm dumb? This board is about art and expressing yourself.
One of the big cultural issues of today is that dumb people are expressing themselves.
Originally it was
>not-so-dumb people paid other not-so-dumb people to make art. This was all the "permanent" art for thousands of years because everyone else made things using non-archival materials or stored in non-archival ways
>20th century, dumb people paid not-so-dumb people to make art. Even theosophic schizos were less dumb than actual morons in selective areas. This is where modernism and postmodernism thrived. Outsider art by both unpaid non-dumb and dumb people starts persisting due to accessibility, hence you can find thousands of thrift store paintings that suck, "deviantart trash" is a kind of genre, and so on. To a degree, you also had non-dumb people paying dumb people to make art - that was most industry art, including concept art, as the actual gruntwork was mostly retards good with rendering.
Now, dumb people pay dumb people to make art, and this is pissing off art aficionados as they really DON'T like what dumb people want to express. It is devastating to a fragile person's worldview to learn that the boomer rants Aunt Elma puts on facebook are actually common opinions, it's just that most who hold them see it as too much work to bother writing it all out like Aunt Elma does.

Children do not fear failure as much as adults do, they understand intuitively they are prone to failure and work through it.
Adults are conditioned to practically fear failure, many of our shortcomings stem merely from that very fear. You ever notice how many people on this board say they never started to do something just because they are afraid they’ll mess up?

>>7911179
A toddler can't read Japanese you fucking retard. When I say it takes 5-10 years to learn Japanese I'm not talking about basic elementary Japanese. I'm talking about enough Japanese to both speak Japanese and read books written in Japanese.

Of course any language is easy to learn if you want to be illiterate. Drawing is also easy to do if all you want to draw is highly stylized American cartoons.

>>7911172
>I know you don't know what you're talking about
Says the nigger who claims to have actively studied for SIX HOURS every day for two years and accomplished fuck all, I genuinely have no idea how you managed to fail so hard.

after 30 you lose mental energy by the day so draw as much as you can before that happens. You could be god level but if you can't even lift a pencil without shutting down then its pointless.

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>>7912498

Neuroplasticity

>>7912631
Neuroplas-these-nuts

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>>7912498
You have NEVER studied Japanese before and it's immediately obvious.

I forgot almost everything I learned (besides basic elementary proficiency) because I didn't use it. I was also studying Kanji and vocabulary at the same time. You retards keep saying to just grind Anki decks, that's not how learning Japanese works and it shows you either can't into Japanese or simply never studied it before.

If you just want enough proficiency to be able to understand your anime loli hentai then obviously it'll only take a few months to a year, at most. For most people, it's going to take more than 5 years. Quit being fucking retarded, this is shit you can easily Google.

>>7912691
you are dumb as fuck with coal for brains

Any time I think about drawing, my brain goes into sleepy mode and I fight to keep my eyes open. What book will fix this?

>>7909410
it isn't. I drew a lot when I was younger but I was terrible at it. people said I was super talented and shit but I never bought it because I'd look at actual good art online and see the huge skill gap between me and them
I only got better now in my twenties when I'm beginning to grasp the concept of 3d forms in a flat plane. but maybe if I had someone to teach me that during middle school? who knows

>>7912799
bridgeman

>>7909432
This

>>7912691
それやめたほうがいいよ
まあただオレは究極のアホだぁって断言したいならどうぞ

>>7912931
Japanese sounds really gay on an English board. Or maybe I watched too much anime and can't read that without giving it a high-pitched hentai voice.

お尻にいれて !
That's one of the few phrases I remember which means, "I'm a high school student."

>>7909410
neuroplasticity
more free time
higher dopaminergic tone
fewer metabolic disorders
less developed taste which means you can't tell what you're drawing is shit so you do it more without harshly judging yourself

>>7913242
STOP!!! Don't do it Pokimane!!!

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>>7912931
>やめた
>オレ

>>7914495
You're Dunning-Krugering, read more.

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>>7914509
I'm not reading the conversation you had with the previous anon, but if you want to own people with your epic Japanese skills, not sounding like a first grader might help.

I started drawing when I was 30 y.o so I can kind of relate. But drawing brought me salvation.

>>7910727
But how? You just look at ching chong symbols over and over.

>>7914550
You don't need to read the conversation, you just need to read more. And don't forget your reps.

>>7914554
Feels like the opposite for me: damnation.

>>7909410
When you are a child you are expected to be as bad at drawing as a child. When you're an adult and as bad at drawing as a child it's just pure ego death

construction gotta be the easiest skill in drawing to learn, its everything else that filters you (gesture, design language, emotion/acting).

>>7909410
I dunno mang, the /v/irgin who drew Sanic wasn't exactly a kid when he did it