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>>7915166
https://youtu.be/ixYU0Ht3_Vk

His traditional drawings look appealing and confident tho

>>7915166
you can't cheat in traditional
you can get away with it in digital
you can hokus-pokus it now with AI

its a cruel world

but it is what it is

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Not only digital but a paintermaxxed retard

>>7915166
This is what happens when you rely too heavily on some of the digital tools to the point they become a crutch. You should be able to draw an image well, and THEN use tools such as liquify or warp to polish it up. If those tools are part of your drawing process and are required for you to even make a decent sketch, you're impeding your own development.

... Though this hardly matter if you're only even going to make art digitally, I suppose, but if you're ever asked to draw infront of people, nobody will remember the final result, they'll just remember the two hours of ctrl+z.

>>7915176
I don't think that quote is quite true, but it's close. You can make a great painting with shitty painting abilities but great draftsmanship, but you will probably only make shitty paintings with great painting abilities but shitty draftsmanship.

>>7915166
This is obviously bait, and it works for retards like you.

I do both, digital and analog, and drawing in digital is not really easier. What is easier in digital is coloring and polishing a picture. And fixing stuff is obviously easier. But the act of drawing itself is not easier.

I tend to switch back and forth between digital and trad, precisely not to take for granted how decent I think my digital work looks, and because being an exclusively digital artist would make me feel like a fraud.
I'm no pro, but digital is too easy. Undoing, rotating, distorting, filters...
I'll never understand why some people praise digital artists on their "clean lineart", for example. You don't know how many undos it took, how cranked up their stabilization was, etc. ANYONE can achieve clean, pro level digital lines with the right tools and a tiny bit of patience.

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>>7915178
Ingres isn't talking about draughtsmanship, he's talking about drawing, which includes rendering, value, edges and literally all of painting save for color and the actual physical handling of paint. It has literally NOTHING to do with the /beg/ """drawing""" cope, and everything to do with handling of paint.
Picrel is the antithesis and the object of bitter rivalry on Ingres' part because he "decries drawing" in favor of color, which upsets Ingres.
Retards forget that rendering in charcoal is drawing and what you spend 90% of the time doing before painting.

>>7915183
People who praise "clean" lines are tasteless in general, their opinion is worth shit. Clean usually means sterile.
I've always thought people overhyping undo haven't got a clue. It is a hundred times easier to just draw on paper with real and responsive materials, to such a staggering extent I have to think it's begs hyping digital as some kind of cheat. Digital drawing feels awful, a handicap; you need all these enhancements just to bring it to parity with an HB and an eraser.

>>7915195
post your trad drawing

>>7915166
traditionalfags are obsolete

I don't even look at your shit if you drew it on a tablet

>>7915195
>Clean usually means sterile
Not necessarily. If you have the right tricks up your sleeve, you easily can make digital look clean without looking too sterile.

And if clean lines are tasteless doesn't matter, when people still gobble it up. I totally agree with you that super clean digital lines are stupid, but people still gobble it up anyway.

>>7915166
chinese artists just traice models 100%. Not even just for the composition/proportions but from start to finish to get every detail right. that's the "Correct" way to draw in their opinion.

>>7915182
>drawing in digital is not really easier
It is, you lying gnome.

>>7915193
I understand why he choose drawing after seeing this mess.

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>>7915180
For what? ruining his own name?
They are like $300 autographed drawings for his fans

>>7915166
This happens because Chinese lead pencils are made of lead

>>7915211
Why should it be easier? Explain yourself.

>>7915217
People here overwhelmingly can't even draw one line in the way they imagined it, so digital seems like gigahax to them, with all its editing tools. They don't get that actually visualizing and then materializing an idea is the hard part, not """line quality,""" and that digital doesn't fucking help with that.

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So that's why I was able to achieve peak sovl in 2019 using digital but can barely improve at all with traditional!

>>7915220
>>7915196

>>7915227
Not posting my stuff in a shitposting thread. I'm just going to keep roasting retarded begs and nodraws for being retarded. If you spent your time and energy practicing instead of trying to find cheats, you'd be good by now.

>>7915230
lol /beg/

>>7915230
You forgot to say you're a pro and don't have any personal work to post and also you don't want to be associated with 4chinz because of how famous you are.

>>7915220
I see where you are coming from. However, digital drawing arguably is easier. But not by much. Even if you are good at drawing, having a bit of stabilizer can help. It's also helpful always being able to undo lines, especially when inking. Just like it's helpful to be able to mirror your drawings very well (with trad you need a light table for this, and even then the mirroring is worse). Plus you can fix everything very easily with digital. If you draw a head too big with trad, you are fucked and have to redraw the whole thing.

It is easier. The only thing which can make digital harder, is just that with digital you easily can continue to tweak your image and go into a loop of never finishing your pictures.

Don't care if you believe me. It's your suffering, not mine.

>>7915237
>It's your suffering, not mine.
I know exactly what you mean. Digital easily becomes tedious, especially if you don't have a good set-up for all the shortcuts. But that doesn't make it harder.

>>7915237
Actually, I'm much better than you are, that's how I know you're wrong.

>>7915239
It's not harder, but it's not easier. It's just a different medium. It's like saying watercolor is harder than oil, or brush pen is harder than technical pen. It's complete gobbledygook to anybody who knows what they're talking about. Every medium change is accompanied by its own unique challenges.
>>7915236
Stabilizer is stupid bullshit that saps all personality from you lines, it's horrible. I draw with zero or low stabilizer whenever I do digital art. Undo is not a big deal at all, you have white ink and eraser in traditional.
The only thing digital makes significantly easier is image compositing and editing. It's much quicker at that, that's true. But this amounts to a time save, not a fundamental shift in ability.

>>7915244
nta but ctrlz and being able to quickly erase with a milisecond switch of a shortcut is exactly what makes digital easier
its not that digital is easy mode that requires no effort, its more like trad art is hardcore mode and digital drawing is normal mode

>>7915244
in what world is a brush pen not harder than a technical pen? a finicky, uneditable, liquid medium is the same as a virtually infinitely reworkable medium? are you retarded?

>>7915244
cool, cool, post your trad work

It's non-debatable that tablets are way easier. If you can't draw, you can't draw in any medium, so there's no argument in that. Tabletcels are just seething as usual.

>>7915252
>its more like trad art is hardcore mode and digital drawing is normal mode
You zoomoids are fucking cooked, in your own lingo. Holy shit I hate this place.
>>7915255
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>7915244
Both are correct

>>7915262
I believe that's video game lingo he's using
Hardcore in that context means that you won't be necessarily making more mistakes but you'll be punished harsher for them so it forces a more conservative, careful approach.

>>7915267
People have drawn with pencil and pen on paper, or tools like it, for millennia. Digital is not "normal mode," for fuck's sake. It's normal to be able to draw with pencil and not panic during every second of it.

>>7915268
Do you read anything you reply to
Normal in video games doesn't mean what it means in the normal world

>>7915270
Go draw

>>7915271
You can't force me.

No stabilizer, no on screen reference, no blending modes, now custom brushes, no undo.

To be fair I've never even considered using "stabilizer". Does Krita even have it? Wouldn't that just fuck with your muscle memory

How many times can you draw a line with absolutely no consequences on paper vs. a tablet? The end.

>>7915275
Yes but it's on another tab since it's the gimp of art programs

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>>7915262
>s-shut up
answer the question, dunning kruger, I know you won't post work

>>7915276
>make sketch
>buy $10 light box
>trace over sketch again, refining
>ink it
Very difficult for the users of /ic/!

>>7915279
PYW

>>7915279
lel you don't even draw, do you?

I love that you are ngmi

pyw

>people who don't practice this particular skill aren't that good at it
WOWWWWWWWW

>>7915268
normal was just relative
if we're talking in cocomelon vidya terms, "normal" just means there isnt any added difficulty comparatively

trad is hardcore because you're punished for your mistakes, you cant undo and cant switch back and forth between your eraser and pen with half a second

>people who don't post their work can draw
lol

>>7915303
>Schrödinger's /beg/
>you are both good and bad until proven otherwise

dk malding lolololo

>>7915305
/beg/s are not good by definition and literally nobody called you good tho

>>7915166
I don’t like the way digital feels. As much of a non-issue as that sounds it just feels unresponsive and janky. Bad hand-feel. Tank controls and earthy taste, bleh.

I wouldn’t expect you chuds to understand with your lack of media literacy thougheverbeit.

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>>7915310
What do you mean? I'm not that anon. I already posted my work which is minimum /low-int/ to /mid-int/.

I'll repost upside down so you know which one I'm referring to.

All from imagination btw

>>7915315
you can hide behind shitposting all you want, everyone knows you're a seething begshitter

>>7915315
>minimum /low-int/ to /mid-int/
yea sure...

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>>7915320
>>7915319
>seething, envious /nodraws/
I wouldn't expect a /nodraw/ to understand good taste.

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>>7915166
where are these from? how do you know they are not just shit posting?

>>7915166
Assuming this is real, the difference isn't trad vs digital. It's making multiple passes versus drawing in one go.
Traditional line drawing from imagination, for most people who aren't possessed by the ghost of KJG, means making many planning drawings, rough sketches on newsprint, tracing them over a window or lightbox, etc. Line art is unforgiving, hence the favoritism figure artists show for charcoal - it's fixable and shape-able.

>>7915166
Some are, others aren't.
Are you retarded?

>>7915324
I mean, whether somebody is a nodraw or draws as shitty as you doesn't really make a difference.

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>>7915398
yikes

Digital art strikes me as quite sculptural. Some artists can simply execute lines as they would with pencil on paper. But many rely on the ability to mold the lines afterwards. I don't see this negatively-- if you are able to achieve the result you want through your own efforts, great. But these actions seem like something more than drawing. Unsure what to call it now. "Sculpting" and "molding" cover some aspect of it, but they don't fit well, either.

>>7915166
I don't know. I assume digital artist are much better traditionally.

Sometimes I saw the traditional works of digital artists I didn't like, and they were amazing with traditional tools.

Also, I think you cherrypicked finished works vs sketches.

>>7915166
>wow tracers and photobashers that cant draw cant draw

you are the retard here.

>>7915487
>tracers and photobashers
qrd?
i thought you couldn't get this good of a result just from tracing/photobashing

>>7915166
Aaaaaahahaha
What no lasso or resize does to a motherfucker

>>7917203
the people who make these colored illustrations of generic anime girls looking somber, are like 10% drawing 90% tracing, effects, and filters. They see drawing more as a creation process that uses many different tools, and they spend hours on one girl over rendering the fuck out of her.
These are the people the most anal about reposting their art because they have 0 style of their own, their drawings are just 100% pure labor with no style or thought put in. Someone who actually draws well will be recognizeable by the art alone, so they are not as stingy about art resposting.

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>>7917292
I'm sorry if I hurt you personally with my post but it doesn't really make sense to accuse me of projecting. Obviously I wouldn't draw like that if I was making fun of it, I draw with hard round brush.

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>>7917293
pyw

>>7917293
I'm the one you were replying to and I completely agree. Projector anon is seething by his dependence on digital tools. Digicucks btfo.

>>7915168
Akihito is the only good one, literal god

>>7915432
This has been my experience as well. Painters adapt quicker to digital than artists who work only with line. Doesn't help that the grip options are so limited either.

>>7915166
What did you expect?