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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.
Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.
Previous thread: >>7911345
Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg
Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89 233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6 Wpg
Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_ura sawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos
OP image is from Gunslinger Girl, Chapter 75.
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>>7917929
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:
Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.
Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.
Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.
Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.
Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.
Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites
Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
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>>7917931
Other open comic publishers:
Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.
Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.
Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.
Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq
Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).
Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-g uidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
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>>7917932
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)
Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts
How (You) can help /mmg/:
> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
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I'm making slow but steady progress, and experimenting with removing lines from the old ladys face since she looked too old and evil before
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE WON'T REALIZE HOW COOL THIS FIGHT PLAYED OUT IN MY HEAD UNLESS I DRAW IT WITH EXCITING AND FLOWING CHOREOGRAPHY
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>>7917993
jokes aside, this is a serious thing to train yourself in.
Art is about communication. It doesn't matter what you personally feel when drawing it, or what's in your head. What matters is what you communicate. If some character of yours posseses some personality trait but you never showcase it, then it basically doesn't exist.
Learn to analyse your own story and characters from an outsider perspective and figure out what you're really showing, not just what's already in your head, but what's on the page.
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>>7918028
>If some character of yours posseses some personality trait but you never showcase it, then it basically doesn't exist.
That's fine, I'll just tweet about important plot or character details that I never bothered to put in my story, it's what professional acclaimed writers do!
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>>7918053
Because it is basically some bog-standard New Times Roman shit, or something similar. A typeface you'd see in a newspaper or an online article. There is no flair or style to it. It is probably the most utilitarian typeface on the planet.
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>>7918053
Speaking of fonts
If I hope for one day my comic becomes super famous, should I avoid using a free font licensed as "for personal use only"?
Like legally, I can't use it to sell my comic, but surely nobody is going to scrutinize this right?
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>>7918061
Could I just like, take the font and slightly modify the letters so it's technically mine? I mean how different are fonts anyway when there's so many of them? Surely just changing the dot of the i to be a slightly wonky do would absolve me of any legal liability?
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>>7918057
>It's not all-caps. In comics we tend to use all-caps for dialogue. Don't know why, but it looks wrong when you don't.
That doesn't help, but it is really that it is just a boring, bland typeface.
The reason why all-caps is used is a holdover from literally the early days of print, when printing was shittier, and lowercase letters often got dropped when in print. They were capitalized because the larger, bolder letters usually didn't fade out like that in print. It is something that is 100% unnecessary to continue doing in this day and age, but as you mentioned, most people are used to it. Plus, it is easier to draw attention to what you want to emphasize to the reader by bolding or italicizing words.
>>7918061
If you get them online from many places, it will say what you can and can't use them for. Most places that allow you to use them for free will allow indie creators to use them, so long as you're self-publishing (either print or online). If you end up publishing through some big, well-known publisher, you usually have to pay some small, one-time royalty fee or whatever. Blambot was always one of the go-to sites for typefaces/fonts for a long time.
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Does it really makes sense to invest time and effort into a dying industry? At least if you have to pay rent and buy food?
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>>7918083
When you find yourself habitually drawing in a style that you don't like, it's a sign you don't have control over your style. You are simply drawing in your natural style and aren't experienced in drawing in other ways.
Spend some time deliberately drawing in a multitude of different styles so as to thoroughly break down your own habits and allow you to redevelop your natural style with elements you like more
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In response to the guy talking about black and white comics.
They were black and white the page is white and the ink is black. It's binary. It's the cheapest format to post. Even screentones are just black dots, still prints even with just black ink.
It's purely a cost cutting method, but actually it's pretty difficult to draw an appealing picture with just black and white, it's too high contrast. Give a child a pencil and naturally they draw multiple shades.
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>>7918210
Why are you on /ic/ telling people drawing is difficult... everyone here is either beg and knows, or is already past that hurdle.
I personally like drawing in (almost) pure black and white and just doing minimal hatching.
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working on a small smut comic where an indentured worker and cowgirl have [spoiler]romantic[/spoiler] ranch sex
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>>7918388
Even I got a little confused. What I noticed is that the page doesn't focus on any specific event and keeps most panels relatively the same size with similar gutter sizes throughout, so I have a general interpretation of what's going on but not one with a sense of weight. You might be trying to cram too many shots in one page so in this case I really suggest limiting how many events take place and giving breathing room to the most important moment of that scene.
>>7918428
you mean "Death and Taxes" ?
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>>7917987
OK, the fight scene is drafted and finished. total page count is 104. surely NOW they can fuck. im giving myself another 60(ish) pages to get this done.
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>>7918084
Maybe the reason I am a no draw is because I have no desire to make any money from manga (Both toriyama and isayama both got into manga to make money.) Even if I got an offer from shonen jump or something I'd just be anxious about deadlines and having to make something that appeals to an audience.
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>>7918534
all you had to do in the 80s to make it in manga was be good and have an original style. Isayama is an anomoly so theres nothing to learn from his experience. Just focus on drawing because you enjoy it in 2026.
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>>7918422
NTA but I know what the means. The art is kinda nice in these but I never have any idea what is actually going on. Maybe it's the lack of dialogue. "Silent" comics like these are harder to make since in regular comics the text pulls a lot of weight in explaining what's happening.
I have no idea if "EAAAA" is supposed to be before "sniff sniff" or after and it's even less clear what "OOH OOH AAH AAAH" is even depicting.
The panel with the floating character I assume shows them jumping through the air... but where? From where? And why? What's with the one panel that's just a close-up of someone's foot?
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>>7918428
update
>>7918458
damn that was a cold line
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Most characters in these pages so far are just unpleasant to look at, dysgenic, deformed. Not sure where the Western obsession or compulsion to depict ugliness stems from. It seems to not be a lack of skill, as the other elements of the drawings are fine, so it's an intentional ugliness.
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>>7918623
Looks good. Cow girls are kino
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>>7918654
thanks! have a cowgirl. I'm eager to draw the smut part but I want to challenge myself to build a brief narrative and do characterization before jumping into the good stuff. This is my third comic and it's crazy how much I'm learning about workflow.
>>7918053
I downloaded Anime Ace from a font website. It's basically what you see in mangas. I'll also sometimes draw over it a bit to make bold letters or add effects. I'll use handwritten text for special cases. You can see both examples in my post above >>7918623
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>>7918589
It is my first time trying to start a story with no dialogue, it’s been interesting getting some feedback, perhaps i need to slow down and take more time to express the moments
It’s read from right to left, there’s two panels expressing the sniffing before she screams so it comes after
Does it not look like flailing her arm around?
Those are arms? …
Thanks for the feedback
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>>7918669
you will have to do a lot of rearranging and resizing to make it clearer if these problems continue. I know it sucks but sometimes you may have to..... delete a panel. The art is too beautiful to waste so you can definitely use the stepping panel somewhere else, but you can cut it from this and it increases the clarity and flow and makes the page more vertical.
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I like my deformed freaks
>>7918721
sounds good. I rewrote my current arc when I realized we would go 3 chapters without a fight.
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>>7918884
It has to be more than that. Koreans make manhwa but those are some of the most absolute dogshit comics I've ever read, even the "top billing" ones that get their own K-drama adaptations. Terrible paneling (inb4 "what paneling lol"), terrible pacing, ridiculous stories that are either dudes somehow surpassing every single xianxia/wuxia protagonist in history in terms of power level, or more meaningless romance melodrama. Good on the commercial teams that make them for being able to eke out some kind of a "living," but jesus christ.
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>>7918884
I'm a huge weeb purist so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but...
I don't think it's genetic as much as it is cultural. I've noticed that Europeans tend to make more visually appealling cartoons when compared to Americans. Somehow Americans can look at stuff like Hey Arnold and Steven Universe and see no issue with how ugly every character is. Growing up watching that stuff must leave an impression and affect art you make as a result. (I'm not saying Americans can't make nice art or that most Europeans do. Just pointing out there seems to be a statistical difference.)
The average westerner who likes drawing in anime/manga artstyle probably can't even answer basic questions like why anime characters tend to be drawn with small noses and large eyes. Instead they'll probably complain about large eyes and small noses being anatomically incorrect. (No. I'm not saying everything needs small noses and large eyes. It's an example.)
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>>7918534
>Both toriyama and isayama both got into manga to make money.
Even with that as a motivation, they had to make something appealing and engaging to make that money so even if you don't want to do it for the money, you can want to make a fun story to read.
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>>7918898
>Koreans make manhwa but those are some of the most absolute dogshit comics I've ever read
Why is it? I read some and it's very bad. Literally goy slop tier.
On the other hand im a weeb since the childhood. I wonder if manga is the same for non-weebs as manhwa is for me.
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>>7919075
they have hte same setup as the west where its a group of people contracted to make the manwha (at least the big corporate ones). Maybe its written by one guy but its a team of grunt workers doing backgrounds, colors, shading, text, etc. You can never make a soulful product this way
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ok any thoughts for the noise or effects of intense muffled sobbing. i feel like the Asterisk vfx is such a cop out. im not gonna lie, the sound effect and onomatopoeia are parts im struggling with the most.
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>>7919087
What, you don't want a giant SOB and WEEP in there, anon? But how will people know that she is CRYing and WHIMPERing from her distress? :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
In all seriousness I just avoid SFX for the most part. It makes my skin crawl from embarassment.
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>>7919087
I would just use *sob* with shaky lines + a few sniffs at the end. To me, the shape/style of the SFX is just as important in conveying vibe as the actual text itself.
>>7919095
I think SFX can be a lot of fun, I personally enjoy em.
>>7917953
Beautiful! clean linework as usual, and the action and panelwork is very dynamic.
Finishing up chapter 6 of Hefferchu here, feedback appreciated on any of my comics. Page context: Heff is trying to guilt Emi into doing his taxes by doing sad flashbacks, but she's not having it
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams
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>>7919087
You can always opt out of sfx and just go REALLY HARD when you go for inking/rendering for that one panel and capture the emotion. I get that maybe normies need to know EXACTLY what is happening constantly but theres enough context clues from your other work that people can understand whats going on there(plus the panel right after makes it clear whats going on anyway)
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>>7919154
SFX are needed for clarity's sake. It's not just "to appease the normies", it's to rule out other things you could be trying to depict. If you're going to not use SFX, you need to compose the layouts with that in mind.