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>try to draw a chick flick comic that appeals to women
>mostly male characters doing things that should appeal to women
>bunch of MMA fighters punching eachother and wanting to be the strongest
>some came from rough backgrounds and are ex convicts, with flashbacks about their time in prison
>the main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends and fwbs each whom they pick up and carry like war prizes
>one of the characters befriends a stray cat, showing his sweet soft side, which women apparently like
>men bullying eachother and then weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better
>male characters balance becoming strong enough to beat up other men without scaring the women away and showing they still have a soft side
>drawings of men in locker rooms with water running down their muscular, scarred bodies as they think about the girl that got away who they would've given up their harems for
>500 subscribers on patreon
>only one is a woman and she is trans
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>main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends
2-3 each since the premise is so blatantly homosexual you need to draw them getting pussy every third page before we start assuming things, or 2-3 total and they regularly fight for their attention, because I think that's the problem.
That and women don't use patreon in general, try selling them keychains and such
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>>mostly male characters doing things that should appeal to women
>>bunch of MMA fighters punching eachother and wanting to be the strongest
>>some came from rough backgrounds and are ex convicts, with flashbacks about their time in prison
>>the main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends and fwbs each whom they pick up and carry like war prizes
>>one of the characters befriends a stray cat, showing his sweet soft side, which women apparently like
>>men bullying eachother and then weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better
>>male characters balance becoming strong enough to beat up other men without scaring the women away and showing they still have a soft side
>>drawings of men in locker rooms with water running down their muscular, scarred bodies as they think about the girl that got away who they would've given up their harems for
you literally just made a straighter version of baki which is somehow baki if it appealed to no women instead of a small amount of genuinely deranged yumeshippers
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>>7955671
>draw fat ugly man who hates abortions but cannot articulate why
>draw attractive-presenting average woman with glasses explaining that actually that's bigoted and dumb
>draw fat ugly man getting mad and making a nonsensical and ultimately impotent non-sequitur
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>>7955585
>mostly male characters doing things that should appeal to women
>bunch of MMA fighters punching eachother and wanting to be the strongest
>some came from rough backgrounds and are ex convicts, with flashbacks about their time in prison
>the main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends and fwbs each whom they pick up and carry like war prizes
>one of the characters befriends a stray cat, showing his sweet soft side, which women apparently like
>men bullying eachother and then weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better
>male characters balance becoming strong enough to beat up other men without scaring the women away and showing they still have a soft side
>drawings of men in locker rooms with water running down their muscular, scarred bodies as they think about the girl that got away who they would've given up their harems for
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>>7955671
I'd draw whatever I want and generally ignore the female audience but do small things like making sure female characters regularly get different haircuts and clothes instead of wearing the same fit for ten years like guys would
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>>7955585
>wants to appeal to women
>makes thing that appeals to gay men
>>7955671
if you want the cheat code for making comics that appeal to women it's relationship drama and love triangles
>mary sue mc
>guy is in relationship with mc
>but guy cheats with bitch because bitch hates mc and wanted to steal her man
>also new guy appears and courts mc
>but mc is so heckin pure and is in love with both guy1 and guy2 and can't decide
>plot twist; gay guy appears and wants to get with guy1 and guy1 is semi-flattered and it creates a subplot of "will they or will they not (but homosex)" wich will get female brains on overdrive
>gay guy is also love rival now but also mc bestie
>drama climax ensues with all characters venting out their feelings and having a stable relationship for a few panels
>make it so that bad characters the female reader is supposed to hate get dunked on
>introduce new drama and repeat the whole circus
You just need a setting like school or some workplace and you're pretty much gonna have women throwing money at you
I'd rather kill myself than doing that tho
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>>7955635
It's not a bad premise, you should see how many women love manga like Kengan Ashura and Naruto. OP's mistake was giving them girlfriends, he should give the male characters very strong almost homoerotic bonds to bait the female dominated audiences constantly.
>>7955671
It actually isn't that complicated. Make the male characters attractive and hot, and make the female characters cool, stylish, or relatable. Sexualizing female characters is generally fine as long as the male characters are sexualized just as much or more.
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>>7956079
Sorta kinda, another important point is that your leading lady must have a rival that's much more glamorous than her, bonus point is if the rival is in a relationship with the main guy and your protag steals him away
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>>7956057
not op, but it’s against the rules so i’ll drop this here from google, which is pretty much correct:
>Women most frequently read Shōjo (for teens) and Josei (for adult women). Additionally, many women enjoy Boys' Love (BL) and hit Shōnen titles. These genres focus heavily on emotional depth, character development, and interpersonal relationships rather than just action.
>Shōjo: Targeted at young women and teens. Focuses on romance, school life, and coming-of-age stories. think sailor moon, fruit’s basket, etc.
>Josei: Targeted at adult women. Explores mpre mature themes like realistic relationships, careers, and daily adult life.
>Yaoi/BL: Romance stories focused on male-male relationships.
> Shōnen: While primarily marketed to young men, many action, fantasy, and supernatural series have massive female fanbases due to compelling characters and deep plots.
that last one though is what can completely consume the heart and souls of me and all of my female friends. for me it’s this: deeply complex and compelling characters with emotional depth developed throughout deeply complex plots. yeah.
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>>7956134
in a hardcore bl porn genre you’d probably be right, though i have no idea about that second part. it’s true though that most fanart i see of shonen works are pairing, not single character-based, though i’m not really sure as to the demographics of the artists’ genders.
>by the way, i never mentioned seinen works. i’d forgotten this term. this is mostly the genre me and my female friends keep coming back to. there are also some video games. tldr, too much talking.
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>>7955585
Women don't like this. Tge main character should not be an MMA guy who gets tons of girls. It should be from a women's perspective and a female main character that the girls reading can self insert as. This just reads like your closet gay fantasy the way you want to write it.
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>>7955671
Romance. The Women everyone here is talking about are normie Women. Women can like things men like but they should be treated as their own thing, you can appeal to them by just making guy stuff. It's like guys who like Sailor Moon.
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? Peace smoked me? I know you’re being racist, but it comes of ass retarded because I’m not Indian so I have to search up what these terms mean. Why would you bow down to a Bindi? I’m googling and there’s no cultural practice where you typically bow down to a bindi
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>>7955671
Women like:
>horror
>sci-fi
>fantasy
>adventure
>comedy
>drama
>romance
>mystery
>friendship
>domestic/slice of life
>animals
>fashion and makeup
So clearly, the ideal comic for women is a romantic comedy SOL where they solve spooky supernatural mysteries every week when they're not shopping or partying or going to school. There's a bunch of cool girls who have relationship drama with the boys they love. Everyone wears a new outfit for every other arc.
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>>7955899
Yeah, women love soap operas. It's why anything that's aimed at guys but has a strong female following always has some kind of love drama attached to it. Spider-Man, X-Men, pretty much every SJ manga made after Saint Seiya, etc.
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>>7955671
>monsterfucking, they shift between looking like Wall Street bros and horrific monsters and it's implied that they rape in their monster form
>self-insert mid women who are important for a benign reason
>lots of gore
>sandwiched between moments at coffeeshops where the female protagonists vent
>the setting is something vaguely homoerotic like gymnastics
>absolutely no comments about female weight or unfuckability
you could make a lot of money, but it would be a colossal waste of time seeing as you could never write beyond a YA level.
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>>7955585 As a woman, that is the dumbest piece of stereotypically masculine bullshit I have ever heard, to such a comical degree. Just have them be normal guys? Sleeping around with a lot of women and trying to be buff enough to beat up other men and their comrades all for the sake of random pussy comes off as very unappealing. The way you are writing this just has them come off as dumb, very sexually and physically violent and not in control of themselves. Women tend to like men who are able to control themselves, this even applies to the men who are morally grey.
Also writing fictional women for the sole and only reason to fawn over these men for no reason is kinda dumb to be honest. Just reading this screams you failed the bechdel test.
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Anyways, assuming this totally isn't a bait thread, if you want to create something targeted at women, look at genres like shojo/josei, things that are popular with women. Women aren't this alien species, if you truly want more female fans of your work learn to understand your audience, just like how you would do with any group of people.
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>>7955585
You probably drew them so ugly that absolutely nobody would find them sexually appealing, which is quite the accomplishment since women are already conditioned to like ugly/plain males. But if your characters are going to be ugly, they have to be funny and charming too.
If not that, then your biggest mistake was probably making them typical scrotes and (TOO explicitly) giving them several girlfriends/fuckbuddies (treating them as disposable, not to mention making the men sexually and romantically unavailable). Not even the most masochistic, self-loathing of women like that; well, some extremely deranged ones do, but the chances of them finding your comic and not being put off by the main premise/art style are next to zero.
You probably don't know any female-oriented series with a male cast, so think of how moeshit for men works: the characters are single, innocent and pure.
Also most women are not going to want to read a comic focused on men whose lives revolve around "being strong" to this degree:
>weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better
There WILL be a handful of women who might like it for the fighting and weightlifting stuff alone because that's one of their interests, but they're rare; it's simply not a typical female interest.
Maybe if the sexes were reversed. Actually, a female-oriented series like that would be cool, but you can't trust a male to do it without being a fucking coomer about it.
>>7957688
>if you want to create something targeted at women, look at genres like shojo/josei
I think OP was trying to attract a female audience with a typical male-oriented setting. In that case, he should reference female-made fanworks of franchises like Yakuza and try to learn how to portray manly male characters the way female fans do it.
It's honestly fascinating how things like fanart highlight the different aspects men and women find appealing in the exact same character.
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So many "women" here trying to appeal from authority, yet none of them even touch on the subject that no matter the series or IP, women will invade and parasitize it (but weirdly series mostly targeted at males) to ship or make fanfiction completely disregarding and twisting what the series/IP originally is about, going as far as alienating actual fans of the IP and demanding everyone that their gayfanfiction is actually canon, even going after the authors and sending them death threats.
If women weren't generally mentally ill, you'd think they are doing this on purpose to just ruin everything that has a shred of testosterone left.
This results in men seeking out other series to enjoy (not parasitize) not originally meant for them i.e. Precure, which has the most insane battle scenes and animations.
If you want to completely and utterly manipulate fujoshis into giving you money; just make a cast of characters and let their mental illness do the rest.
If you've been exposed to furries, it's the same fucking shit because it's the same spectrum of mental illness.
>inb4
pic related, stop trying to divine my whole personality and life story based on the schizophrenia inside your head + kill yourself
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It's very common for retarded males to call everything that makes them uncomfortable "gay". Most of the time, "gay" refers to heterosexual women heterosexually expressing their adoration and sexual desire towards members of the opposite sex in a non-male-approved way. If you want to create a shonen-esque series that appeals to women, you should learn from the things female fans do that male fans call "gay."
Earlier, I said
>think of how moeshit for men works: the characters are single, innocent and pure.
Of course, you're not required to make your male characters pure, maiden-like virgins (though 童貞 guys are cute and a niche with plenty of demand), but you should vaguely reference their heterosexuality AT MOST, and not make them too perverted/disgusting. That way, readers can imagine the characters' relationship with women how they want (and even self-insert), or completely ignore their canon sexuality to ship them together if they so please. If you absolutely must give your male characters a female partner, make them ideal boyfriends and husbands. They should behave like gentlemen to some extent, even if they're single. If they act like typical male pigs, women are gonna be repulsed by them.
Women are capable of liking works of fiction based on their interests (aside from characters/shipping), but, just like men, they need to have an interest in whatever the work of fiction is about, or find it relatable somehow (either a character who shares their interests, or normal, humanized female characters that are treated with respect and dignity, who the audience can project onto).
If you don't have that, to attract a female audience you need to truly understand "moe", "charm points", "gap moe", "ikemen", etc., and this should also be reflected in your designs, which should be cool and somewhat cute (in a masculine way) at the same time. A lot of otaku media for both sexes is moe-driven, even if it has engaging/dramatic stories; this is basic stuff.
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>>7957812
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Adding some homoerotic comedy might help as well. It can be cute, especially if the guys blush.
That said, subtletly can go a long way. Women generally need some things to be left to imagination, especially if your comic has a serious and emotional plot, and isn't meant to be over-the-top comedy. The way you described your comic sounds like it lacks any subtlety (to be fair, that has nothing to do with trying to appeal to either sex, that's just terrible writing/storytelling). In general, female fandoms enjoy using their imagination to "fill in the blanks" or come up with "what if" scenarios. This is part of why female fanartists & fic writers are so prolific.
If all your male characters behave like retarded macho apes who can only think of fucking women & being le strongest, that's no fun. The stray cat thing sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, it was just a clumsy writing decision.
Another, more art-related thing to note is the framing/focus in female-made art. Maybe you're not drawing your characters in a way that looks appealing/sexy to women, and it ends up being inoffensive to straight men, or even appealing to gay men (gay men's taste generally differs from straight women's). Again, study the work of popular female artists who draw male characters for a female audience (fujo or not). If it makes males seethe, there's a good chance that women like it.
Some other "manly" male-oriented series with a significant (or small but dedicated) female fanbase:
>Golden Kamuy (though the author is rumored to be bisexual)
>Metal Gear Solid
>Dragon Ball
>JoJo
>Fist of the North Star (yes, even this series has fangirls)
>Gundam
>Resident Evil
>KOF
>some popular sports shounen manga (spokon/スポ根)
Go to Twitter or Pixiv and browse through these series' male character tags for reference. Hopefully, that way you'll learn what it is that these female artists (and, by extension, female audiences in general) find so appealing.
Also, just >>7957758
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I forgot that once you have your comic ready, you should know how and where to advertise and (as other posters have already pointed out) publish it. Otherwise, your intended audience might never find it.
>tl;dr
You need:
>appealing/cool/cute male character designs (ikemen or bishounen), a good art style and knowing how to depict and frame them to focus on their attractive features
>an engaging, dramatic plot with some subtlety
>leaving some things up to interpretation, especially when it comes to emotions and relationships between characters
>male characters that act like gentlemen, have a heart of gold or are morally conflicted (generally), and instead of having a whole-ass harem, are either single or devoted to their girlfriend/wife
>making your comic visible to your target audience, advertising or posting it in the right places
Optional but very effective:
>fujobait
>female characters that are treated with respect by the narrative (if they're decent characters they could even have straight female fans of their own, and even attract some lesbians)
I think that's it.
Needless to say, ignore bitter male opinions, as they are not your intended audience and fail to understand it.
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>>7957839
The semenoids here don't care about making media that appeals to women (hense why this thread has ZERO COMICS) they just want to scream about women openly populating this board in a myriad of threads now that there's one general too many in the catalog that caters exclusively to women. you wasted your words when you could've drawn instead. Stop pouring into the empty colander that is moids, you will never change their tiny brains about anything.
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>>7955585
>bunch of MMA fighters punching eachother and wanting to be the strongest
not as bad as others made it out to be.based on this premise, youre probably going for a traditionally masculine themes but has an estrogen filled fanbase, totally possible
>some came from rough backgrounds and are ex convicts, with flashbacks about their time in prison
you can absolutely do this, bad boys are hot after all. just make it interesting. if you only write regular criminals then you wont get the chicks youre chasing after. t
>the main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends and fwbs each whom they pick up and carry like war prize
what the fuck.
if you created girls solely for a harem then its an immediate turn off for women. make female characters as interesting as males so the target audience can associate with them. make the girl serve as the guy's equal rather than his decoration.
two, hot dudes wrestling eachother is a great sight for women. theres a reason why. not because they wanna fuck the winner but because guy on guy is hot as hell, just like how girl on girl is hot.
a point to remember is that you dont have to make them explicitly gay towanrs one another.
>men bullying eachother and then weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better
and make them think about other men. relationship between males is what drove females into enjoying this story
>drawings of men in locker rooms with water running down their muscular, scarred bodies as they think about the girl that got away who they would've given up their harems for
instead of thinking about a girl that got away, why dont make them think about the other men that they lost to?
other things to consider
1. pretty boys (very huge with the females)
2. lesbians, with depth. go read yuri mangas
3. tragic villains
4. sexualize the girls as much as you sexualize the guys
done, enjoy your new wave of female fans
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>>7957859
Eh, I wanted to sperg to my heart's content, and used this thread because I didn't want to shit up a different one. I know nobody here actually gives a fuck.
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Wow what a coincidence that I see this thread after months of not checking /ic/ and I'm pondering a story that vaguely fits the female gaze.
Mine is just about a sociopath MC and his downfall but I'm also gonna basically write it so his background and trauma and philosophy are ripped from my own. Sort of like You (the show). So I can at least write a realistic man, even if the chick characters are harder.
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>>7957941
>I'm pondering a story that vaguely fits the female gaze.
>Mine is just about a sociopath MC and his downfall but I'm also gonna basically write it so his background and trauma and philosophy are ripped from my own
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It's insane that you can't talk shop if it happens to be a discussion about customer bases that happens to be majority women because women will get uppity if you expose their true nature.
>>7957952
Just say any unfiltered truth about social life or any group.
Once they start saying the typical high school insults and delusional entitled shit, you won.
The irony is that you could "no you" an effeminate and it would be vastly more effective than whatever xhey tried to do.
If you actually hate and despise women; you go work in marketing.
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>>7957666
>as dumb, very sexually and physically violent and not in control of themselves
Exactly what women like.
>Women tend to like men who are able to control themselves, this even applies to the men who are morally grey.
This is a very juvenile take on what women want. I agree the way OP is going about it is retarded, but women want one of two things: a simpish provider they settle for later in life which will act as a sort of girlfriend they have to fuck every couple weeks for the sake of stability, or a borderline psycho that fucks them like an animal. You can look at any book women past the age of 17 like to read and see these two archetypes: tall, strong, psychopath that is tempered by his obsession with her, and simpish beta male that follows her like a puppy.
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If you want to write a story that women will absolutely wet themselves over just write something about woman falling in love with murderous psychopath.
All those shows about serial killers wouldn't be made if women didn't swallow them up like a east european prostitute in an illegal brothel chokes on dick
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>>7958188
no, the way those books go is
>untamed chadzilla von megabeast lusts for derpina mcselfinsert, our unassuming protagonist
>derpina is either dominated or raped by chadzilla or denied said domination and/or rape by circumstances beyond her control
>the book presents the domination and/or rape as derpina being so special and irresistible in her special unassuming way that chadzilla just can't control his wild passions around her OR the circumstances keeping her from being savagely dicked as seething jealousy by more attractive (but in that cheap supermodel kind of way) female characters and/or established social order, which is obviously bad
>derpina then strives to break either the passions, hotter women or the social order ruling over chadzilla, preferably flirting with more available/appropriate, but almost as attractive men along the way
>when she overcomes the challenges posed before her (read: breaks chadzilla in, beats stacy or ruins society), the book ends because actually being with the hot guy they can have and isn't raping them isn't something women want to read nor write about
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>fanfiction completely disregarding what the IP originally is about
It's true that the majority of fanfiction writers are women, and a decent portion of fanfiction are at least somewhat OOC. That behavior is not limited to fanfiction, plenty of memes and funny images will mischaracterize characters, for a laugh. That's the beauty of fanwork, whether it's fanart, fanfiction, cosplay, you don't have to follow canon to a T.
>This results in men seeking out other series to enjoy (not parasitize) not originally meant for them i.e. Precure
Men came to shows like Precure, which have a dedicated female fan base that writes fanfiction and shipping, to escape the ebil women who are love fanfiction, and shipping? Let's not be absurd. Men became interested in those shows because they realized they're good.
And let's not pretend that male fans don't 'parasitize' fandoms in their own way. Fanfic communities are insular, characters popular with shippers are still able to be separated from those communities. I remember looking up some characters from the pony show to draw as a kid and seeing so much bizarre horse porn out in the open. Degens has ruined the reputation of characters like Vaporeon. It's pretty telling how bad male fans can be when things like picrel happen.
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>>7958305
No one says it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen as incredibly consistently and overrepresented as those IP parasitized by majority women.
Your post is literally
>BUT THAT ONE CIRCLE IS BLUE
kill yourself
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>>7958325
Again fanfiction and shipping retardation is avoidable for the most part, you can create a feed on sites like tumblr, newgrounds, (even twitter but that's dependent on the fandom), etc that tune these guys out. It's not rampant to the point where the retardation is directly associated with the characters. You cannot say the same with male coom. A woman says that she's a big fan of a character who's popular with ships like Bakugo, no one's going to bat an eye. A man says that he's a big fan of Gardevoir, he's going to get some weird looks. That guy could find the concept guardian angel interesting, but years of coom and memes has imprinted the coom association with the character.
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>>7958371
>it's avoidable
Not the entire point and not if you're in certain fandoms that have been completely overtaken.
Ironically, the yakuza series online fandom is the exact same shit you are trying to whataboutit with the Gardevoir example.
What is even the point you are trying to make?
Just close your eyes and consume product?
Or is it simply deflection because god forbid someone doesn't simp for women?
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>>7958305
>Men became interested in those shows because they realized they're good.
Also because those men are pedophiles and want to jack off to little cartoon girls.
It's hilarious that the scrote says "men don't parasitize" as if bronies weren't a thing. Or as if lolicons didn't exist.
>pic
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>>7958325
>kill yourself
Imagine being this sensitive because you can't handle the truth.
>it doesn't happen as incredibly consistently and overrepresented as those IP parasitized by majority women.
Media explicitly aimed at women rarely gets "parasitized" because scrotes automatically dismiss anything that is aimed at women as being inferior. The only exceptions are when these males realize that they can make porn of the female characters, which is easier to do with series that have large female casts, and why they genuinely parasitized (appropriated) the magical girl genre and stuff like MLP.
On the other hand, women and girls are expected to enjoy media aimed at males and regard it as peak fiction, no matter how coomerish and scrotal it is, and regardless if it's just a blatant wish fulfillment power fantasy for males. This is what traditionally gets promoted as superior pieces of media. "Male" is treated as the default and "female" is treated as lesser. Many women grow up believing this bullshit and knowing how to empathize with male protagonists and that's why they have an easier time getting into male-made, male-oriented media than the men do getting into female-oriented media (also, men have no empathy).
On top of that, every media industry is biased to enforce sexist ideas; in Japan, shoujo manga these days cannot be anything but high school romance slop, save for a few shoujo magazines that allow for more variety. Most female mangaka who want to explore other ideas (especially anything action-related) are forced to publish on male-oriented magazines instead, where they're usually also forced to change their concept to be more male-pandering. The TL (het porn manga for women) industry also forces its creators to mimic hentai manga for males. I don't even need to mention how the film and video game industries are biased in favor of men, because you already know it but pretend that it's the other way around because you benefit from the status quo.
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that is something i have noticed, women tend to be better at subtlety, and im terrible at it. If i draw lewds, its very direct and based on making a lewd shape or lewd thing.
I think subtlety is similar / related to teasing, so i can use my understanding of teasing to better understand subtlety. To tease is to tempt with something you like, but not actually fully "do" that thing you like. You do not accomplish the goal, only tease and suggest it.
In almost all things, i think of myself as finding the "doing it" part better than the build up to it. tempting is still very much appreciated as a consumer, its really hard for me to focus on or go around selecting for it. However I know of one useful exception to my usual rule. I noticed a girls boobs can look legitimately lewder with her shirt / bra on more than if she showed her bare breasts, which if you think about it is odd, cuz isn't seeing them bare the point? So! If i was a person where "the shirt always remaining on" was my favorite thing, not just with bras/shirts, but in all kinds of ways, and i understood myself to be that kind of person that likes the shirt on build up, and not a person that likes the end result... then what I would draw is various ways of teasing with the shirt on, and things like such things, without actually showing things, because revealing will only lead to disappointment or something less lewd. Basically, id be a lot more subtle and teasy, because that is the part that is most good to me. like, the teasing would be my end goal for me, actually reaching the end is important still and good, but it isn't the climax.
I am not this way, but to me, it is possible for me to imagine being a person that prefers the shirt on. and so through this, i can have an idea of what to draw to appeal to a woman. ur tease / build up maxing basically. all about atmosphere and build up of tension.
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>effeminates incapable of accepting any sort of observation towards the female gender xhey have to start strawmanning and doing every single fallacy in the book
that's why it's just reasonable to tell you to kill yourself
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>>7957760
>ship or make fanfiction completely disregarding and twisting what the series/IP originally is about
Are you talking about transformative works? Fanfiction by its nature is not canon, I could understand being angry at the crazies who are vehement about their headcanons but what is the problem with changing or adding onto an IP in transformative work?
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>>7958574
>what is the problem of groups invading a fandom, being extremely vocal about their own cringey "fanwork", inviting more of their kin that have no actual interest in the IP and being so incredibly insufferable and spammy that they breach their own containment until the fandom becomes overrepresented by tourists/tertiaries that only care about the "fanfiction"?
Shut the fuck up, monkey.
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>>7958622
It's a premise that's worked well. Look at Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Naruto, Golden Kamuy, JJK, Kengan Ashura, Kaiji, so much sports anime. Their character rosters are almost completely sausage fests yet they all have very dedicated female fanbases.
>Lego study
I keep seeing this referenced on this website, can someone give a link to the study so I can read it? All I can find on it is that one archive screenshot.
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>>7958638
How large are these supposed female fanbases? Kaiji? Really? Is this based on the correct ratios as well? I.e Naruto dwarfs Kaiji in fanbase, likewise I'd expect the female fans of Naruto to utterly dwarf the sizable female fanbase of Kaiji
I don't expect sailor moon or Harry Potter tiger levels of feminine interest but I find it suspect of some these series you listed. Furthermore, women like P4 jjba aka the moment the faggot curviness went into overdrive. And they specifically seem drawn to the fashion aesthetics of JoJo. And the poses. NOT the ridiculous bara seen in P1 and P2
What I am really trying to drive home is that anons idea of a manga to appeal to the broad sphere of women was poor from the get go. At best he'd find some women with a particular niche or fetish. None of these women would be drawn to the ideas anon is trying to portray with his mange i.e the idea of men trying to prove who is the best and knowing there can only be one.
What women want (and what the Lego studied showed) is to imagine the manga is ABOUT THEM. They don't want the manga to be about what it's about. That's secondary. Primary is THEM.
Take Deathnote. Why is Misa Amane so more popular to women than Naomi and Takada? Why do women want MisaxLight despite it not making any sense even with multiple liberties granted?
Because Misa acts and is what women want to be. Pretty, Loving a guy who hates her, dumb. Naomi is smart, dressed modestly, and is superior to her man in every way. They hate that. That's unnatural.
I mean my entire response in good faith btw excuse my rudeness, this is 4chan, it was inevitable the longer I went on.
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>>7958679
Women love the early parts, especially part 2. Joseph Joestar is a fan favorite, if you look at AO3 he's consistently one of the most popular characters among Giorno and Kakyoin. Again, you can look at shows like Kengan Ashura, Hajime no Ippo, and Slam Dunk which have dedicated female fanbases despite mostly consisting of masculine guys.
>Why is Misa Amane so more popular to women
I'll admit, I haven't seen death note but from what I've seen, Misa is a far more significant character to the story than the other two you mentioned. I don't even see male fans talking about those two.
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Not a single m*le made a comic on /ic/ that appeals to me much less grabbed my attention long enough to consider reading for longer than a single page. The art sucks ass and lacks a real sense of beauty even when the skill is there as well. m*les here just dont anything that would make their work worth the energy to engage with.
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Crabbing and calling men virgins as an insult is an pure female phenomenon tho
Men don't crab on others because there is no benefit in putting others down.
Only women believe having sex has any inherent value.
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>don't interact with women
>"YOURE SEETHING"
>women crab on each other
>"OMG FUCKING MEN RUINING EVERYTHING"
>women constantly fuck over each other for scraps
>"FUCK MEN"
>men tell women to be normal
>"AAAAAAAH MEN ARE SEETHING AND JEALOUS UR MAD"
ngl it's just funny seeing "women" sperg out
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Insane that a simple discussion was completely derailed by "women" trying to strawman, mock and damage control any negative opinion about women.
Then you really keep asking yourselves why men with low impulse control keep beating your asses
lol
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>where is the thing i will make fun of?
you got shit banter and even shittier replies
if i humor you and post my shit you're just gonna keep repeating the same twitter banter everyone blue checkmark onlyfans whore spams
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>Grrrr...stupid women....grrrr don't you i draw the best Gokus here? Grrrr-why wont anyone read my comics? i drew it with my special good boy crayon... grrr...why cant my mom just let me shove things up my ass and stop telling to get a job? grrrrr...its not my fault im legally autistic...its not my fault my cumsocks are hard enough for you to cut you hand on them.....grrr stupid women...
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>>7958679
>Kaiji? Really?
You'd be surprised. Kaiji has a substantial fujo and yume following. It's less apparent since the western following is small compared to something like JJK for example.
>I find it suspect of some these series you listed.
I can elaborate more on those. There are polls showing that JJK and Golden Kamuy have a pretty even split, GK has a slight female majority (in Japan). Naruto at it's peak probably had a split of 40:60, less so now, I don't know any female boruto fans. For a combat sport manga Kengan's female fanbase is pretty decent, I estimate about 15%. Sports anime like Haikyu and Slam Dunk tend to be popular with women, it's basically their equivalent of cgdct. Honorable mention for Gintama, it has a 15:85 male female split in Japan.
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>>7959014
not him, but I guarantee men form a much higher percentage for all of those, and women are just more likely to engage with whatever bullshit is involved in the data gathering
I remember some 15-20 years ago, women were statistically the majority of star trek audience according to retarded researchers
actually, now that I think about it, they probably followed that research when they drafted everything after enterprise given what they produced - surprise, the franchise is now dead
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>>7959016
Star Trek had a sizable female fandom in the past. The gender split was about 50/50 in the 60s, I've seen some sources say that it was slightly skewed female. Female star trek were writing Spock and Kirk fanfic in the 70s, it was one of the first instances of yaoi in the west. Some of the first fan edits were created by female fans in the fandom. They were typically slideshows with music in the background.
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>>7959062
again, you're misconstruing participating in some gay fucking shit like making slideshows as representative of the audience share
this is like arguing fags are the majority of trekkies because fags do more buttsex while dressed as spock
normal people don't give a shit about cons and other gay shit, they just want to enjoy the fucking media
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>>7959068
Those aren't arguments, I just listed those as examples of female fan behavior in those communities. It's hard to say the ratio for casual fans since that was 50 years ago to be fair, we do know that it was popular with housewives.
>>7959071
Fujos are almost always straight women. Do you mean yumejoshis? I guess you could look at Gintama as an example, Gintoki is super popular with self-shippers.
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Muh female audience is a marketing tool as old as geekdom, it's supposed to legitimize a dweeb hobby and make it less embarrassing. Remember when video game industry pushed the 50% women meme, then independent research showed it was 80%+ male outside of mobile. You can make any demographic sizable by picking where you measure
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Casual fans aren't participating in online/offline communities, they just eat the slop and move on to pig on next slop, hence why communities tend to be overrepresented with the worst or the worst which tend to influence the culture around the thing and become representative of the fandom even when the thing they are "fans" of is not their primary interest but merely a tool or a vehicle to do their faggotry, which is the point of the ongoing discussion.
Imagine if starting tomorrow a thing you're a fan of started pushing porn fanworks and the entire community would only be about the porn and attracting people that are only interested in the porn itself while telling you, a fan of the thing, that if you don't like porn the thing isn't made for you and if you dare speak out against it you're a bigot and a sexphobe.
Now imagine if this exact hypothetical would be happening with a fandom that has been parasitized by shippers or a fandom that is mainly women but being flooded by men.
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>>7959093
Mostly accounts and anecdotal evidence. I also found a study on the fandom that mentions it, I can link it if you'd like.
>moshe shekelberg
Genuinely what does this even mean?
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>>7959105
>accounts and anecdotal evidence
you just the same thing twice
>study
cons and fanfiction aren't fandom, viewership analysis put star trek at >78% male with voyager being the most female "dominated" at 30%, your jewish studies do exactly what I said they do, which is misinterpret gay activities secondary to the media as le fandom
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If you take a look at japanese based fandoms and who the companies pander to with merch and marketing, it's mostly majority female.
Like, who in their right mind would buy an 10cm acrylic stand of a single character lifted straight up the Indian animation studio for $45? Only women would be that retarded.
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>>7959108
>cons and fanfiction aren't fandom
By definition they are fandom. Using this logic, fanart, cosplay, and video game modding are not fandom activities.
>viewership analysis put star trek at >78%
Ah, here's a decent source. The official Star Trek website puts female viewership at 45%.
https://www.startrek.com/news/trek-class-blog-geek-girls-and-star-trek
>jewish studies
I also found this image on viewership, it seems interesting.
The jewish plot to... show the female fans that existed back then? Anon we're talking about Star Trek not the US government.
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>>7959117
>the state or condition of being a fan
so no, dressing up like a faggot and larping is not what constitutes fandom any more than getting fucked by dogs is what constitutes being sexually actively
>the official [citation needed]
not sure you quite grasp what a source is
>I also found this image on viewership, it seems interesting
the image that says men are 50% more likely to be star trek fans and also isn't actually about viewership at all?
at this point I cannot ignore your glaring mental disability
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>>7959127
>dressing up like a faggot
You never went trick or treating with your friends as your favorite superhero for Halloween? Cosplay is just dressing up as a specific character, most cosplayers don't larp anymore. You still didn't disprove how modding and creating fanart isn't fandom behavior btw.
>[citation needed]
https://researchscape.com/consumer-research-2/paramount-subscribers-an d-star-trek-fans
>the image that says men are 50% more likely to be star trek fans
Anon are you reading the graph correctly? It says 30 out of 100 women and 45 out of 100 men claim to be Star Trek fans. If you do the math then 40% of the fans polled were women.
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>>7959137
that is not the source, you illiterate retard, the stat is quoting cbs
>Anon are you reading the graph correctly
yes, because I am not an illiterate nigger without grade school education
that is not a breakdown of the fans, it's a survey of a random group (paramount plus subscribers) showing that if you threw a rock at men and women at random, the rock thrown at men would have a 50% higher chance of hitting a star trek fan
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>>7959154
>that is not the source
Then are you talking about the 45% female viewership statistic? I posted the link I got that from in a previous reply, reposting it here
https://www.startrek.com/news/trek-class-blog-geek-girls-and-star-trek
>50% higher chance of hitting a star trek fan
Redid the math, I'll admit that I made a mistake there, you are correct. The 45% female viewership statistic from the official site still doesn't track with your 78% male viewership stat however. I did some digging, it seems like the site you got that statistic from was this one
https://trekmovie.com/2006/09/24/the-myth-of-the-star-trek-fan/
That could be due to the amount of time between the articles, yours is from 2006, mine is from 2012.
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What is the purpose of this thread? I haven't seen a single comic posted here, what's the purpose of making a thread to figure out what is wrong with his comic when we can't see it in the first place?
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>>7959911
the purpose of this thread was trannies trying to bait any sort of commentary not in full favor of women so they can act offended while believing no one would figure out they're schizophrenic autistic males that would kill their own parents for not paying the jewish doctors to cut their dick off.