>>7957332
no, anyone who gave a damn left long ago. all that's left are people who just haven't become disillusioned with this board yet for whatever reasons they cling to to justify this crab bucket

ai bros won

>>7957332
>>7952671

why not both? why bother arguing?

>sports teams
fucking tourists

The difference between back then vs now is we didn't have the class 101s and the Colosos showing a myriad of techniques. We were stuck with Hampton and friends. You don't hear about it anymore because the resources exploded exponentially.

>>7957332
None won but both were right.
Forms are necessary to understand complexity of body and perspective while you need to understand also dynamics and poses because it will look stiff as fuck if you don't.

>>7957332
We literally had this argument just the other day. See >>7957341

In reality I think it’s a false dichotomy. You can construct with forms without being autistic about it and you can benefit from copying shapes, textures, etc without being limited to them

>>7957392
brother everything on this board is a false dichotomy meant solely to farm reactions and waste time. People who actually draw already know most principles people insist on pitting against each other (construction vs anime, linefag vs rendermonkeys, repetition vs intentional study, etc) all lend to each other, like literally. Only using one is shooting yourself in the foot.

>>7957332
the constructoids leaders were shown to be unable to draw anything. While anime just kept getting bigger and bigger. At some point you just have to face the facts, construction is not real. Its a method for learning but you are meant to graduate it from it and start drawing forms as soon as you can. Construction alone does not produce good drawings.

Anime still sucks

>>7957341
>attention whore begging for replies
You are nothing.

>>7957453

You draw worse than him.

>>7957439
Anime is the higher form of art.

>>7957332
>anime copiers said that boxes/cylinders alone would get you nowhere
No, they said (and keep saying) that costruction is a scam through and through, and they are wrong.
>>7957391
Gesture drawing has nothing to do with tracing anime to figure out proportions without considering threedimensionality.

>>7957396
Anime is not a fundamental, it is a style. Learning a style without learning fundamentals first is doing it backwards.

>>7957494
stylization and construction are inherently opposites according to this board.

>>7957494
See, you're just trying to fling shit. You could, alternatively, explain that anime is in no way a fundamental or principal of drawing, but none the less, copying anime is uselessly pitted against construction drawing. Try to make fourchan a happy place, eh?

>>7957332
One of the more positive recent developments on Twitter/X is that I get tons of posts from Japanese, Korean, and Chinese artists in my feed. Particularly the Korean animation students. You know what I see? A lot of construction. A lot of life drawing too.
It has become harder to protect lies with the language barrier. Asian animators are hardcore constructionists.

>>7957471
tranime is garbage for braindead normalfags

>>7957890
The how-to tag on pixiv was also pretty eye-opening, and then you have pro animators like the guy from hide channel recommending the same books you'd see recommended on /ic/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBqEj3tKD6o

>>7958343
In hide’s original pieces though he clearly doesn’t use “construction”, at least not in the way that constructoids meant the term

>>7958378
Don't be ridiculous. That's like saying piano scales are useless just because a professional pianist isn't actively running up and down them during a performance. They don't abandon the scales, the scales became muscle memory, spatial awareness, and the literal framework for how they navigate the keys without looking.

It's the exact same for art. Professionals aren't skipping construction, they're just doing it via shorthand. Their spatial logic is so highly developed that a single contour line implies the entire 3D form underneath. They only lay down explicit guiding lines when they hit a complex angle, because the fundamental structure is already entirely alive in their head.

>>7957380
>why not both?
Anime copy is literally "both", they just start from copying instead of learning construction first.
Once they gain knowledge of shapes through copying, they go for construction, and it's easier to learn because they know what they are doing.