>>220762983
Hybrid >>>>> EV

Unless there's a vehicle that has a very reliable battery and a good waiting time for charging, hybrid will always be the better choice.

>>220763058
Big yelo dick just unveild their CATL tech which can recharge from half to full in 10min ish.

don't care
still using diesel

>>220763222
inb4 battery capacity dwindles faster than an iphone within 2 years

>>220762983
no one wants to accept this but china is getting ahead because the oil lobby in the west is too strong and they are holding EVs back same as renewables
total oil baron death

>>220763294
It's just Cold War 2.0
At least there's another competition for the US on who's going to be the superpower of the century

>>220763294
duh, libs, progressives and environmentalists have been criticizing the clutch that the oil lobby has on the rethuglican party for 2 decades at the least. These sub-iq animals have destroyed our competitive future just so they can please the entire oil industry.

>>220762983
But Japan has cheap and good cars, much better than Chinese ones. What's the problem?
>Can EVs really replace normal cars?
Definitely not here.

>>220763058
>Hybrid >>>>> EV
trvke

Westerner tries to talk about politics without spilling blood, challenge level : IMPOSSIBLE

I have an EV, it's great
Solar, batteries and an EV are great
It makes me feel like I have my own power plant at home, yes it was expensive

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>>220762983
As long as it's affordable, I'll drive whatever I'll get my hands on.

>>220763482
EVs are useless for anything other than public transport, buses, taxis etc. pre planned routes with dedicated charging stations, the whole point of a passenger car is the freedom of movement it provides without being hindered by charging infrastructure, of course if you're a shitlib statist you'd want to restrict people's movement, which is why the whole 15 minute cities thing is gaining momentum

>>220763731
>words words words words words
Did you get that argument from a conservative think tank?

>>220763790
It's an observation, you can shut me down with facts and logic, but there's a genuine concern with renewable infrastructure being another green washed land grabbing scheme by corporate interests, like tech parks and industrial corridors, nukey nukey are the only way forward, IF you want EVs to be the future

>>220763294
Seems like you shouldn't have fallen for the EV scam

>>220763855
EVs are great tech in the abstract, the simplicity of its construction and number of components make it THE perfect automobile, but only if we move towards modularity and standardization, not glued battery packs to the chassis

don't care I don't have a car
everything I need is within walking distance
I'm keeping my money and both chinese carjews and german carjews won't get a penny out of my pocket

>>220763731
charging infrastructure is everywhere in the modern world now, its called a power grid. all it takes is a chimpout in middle east and no more oil while electricity is produced locally.
do you understand what a 15min city is? its every european city today, you already have everything within 15mins but you can go further at any time,its just a normal city given a buzzword name. its not a schizo concept of limiting people to a 15min radius.

>>220764061
How old is the power grid in your country anon? What % of vehicles on road are EVs?

>>220763790
>arguing with namefags
For what purpose?

>>220764210
Uhhhh...this thread, I think?

>>220763891
Thank you saar please make the designated EV mr. engineer saar

>>220763731
>without being hindered by charging infrastructure
EV cars can actually run really far before having its battery totally depleted.

>>220764253
I'm not an engineer, I like EVs, my shithole city rolled out electric buses for public transit and they're smooth af, literally air conditioned and quite cheap as well, but as I said they use pre planned routes and have a massive charging hub outside the city, plus they're also rolling out those EV tuk-tuks as well, and they're bigger and more comfortable than those old ass ICE tuk tuks

>>220764181
first plants buiidt around 1900, national grid established around 1950-1960
32% of all titled cars so most likely double that for whats actually daily driven.

>>220764061
Norway is very suburban compared to most of Europe. Also very rich. Wide-scale adaption for most of the continent is not realistic. Many countries rely on electricity exports and the solar panels are already causing issues with the grid

>>220764380
*imports

>>220764380
Adani that asshole has been gobbling up prime land in the name of solar farms, threatening wildlife sanctuaries, nukes are the only way

>>220764380
>very suburban
lol

>>220762983
In my country most people can't afford cars unless they steal their way through.

We dont even have a robust power grid to support charging vehicles.

>>220764441
Use bicycles

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In my country nobody can afford anything so the only transportation here is the brown man's form of rickshaw.

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>>220764420
Is this picture wrong?

>>220762983
ICE vehicles hasn't been an argument since 2-3 years ago. It's less of one now, which oil prices being unstable and high as it is right now.

What will happen in 2030?

Unless your country is a thirdie shithole that depends majorly on EVs, or a thirdie shithole with such shit infrastructure that many people using the grid causes it collapse, I don't see why you wouldn't use one.

It's not that you can pay the difference between ICE and EV in a couple of years off using electricity over oil, some models of EVs are cheaper than ICE right off the lot.

>>220764490
Push and pull rickshaws were actually outlawed here because of human dignity thing here

>>220764463
Good luck cycling to work in 40°C heat and 30km distance.

>>220764539
>human rights dignity
>people lose more jobs and resort to robbery and stealing instead
Yeah lmao cool "Human rights" there pal

>>220764555
Learn from the shitlibs in the thread, make some sacrifices for the billionaire shitlibs and their New Vision™ for the world

>>220764503
what does it prove?
you can have flat's rural as well.

>>220764579
Cycle rickshaws are still here and there, but e-rickshwas are now the norm, we call them To-tos

>>220764579
Indians don't steal and pillage like filipinos do out of desperation. Religion keeps them in check.

>>220764312
Shitholes like India benefit the most with EVs.

>cheap as fuck solar installment
>can cut down the smog that gives you cancer and kills you faster than smoking 10 packs of cigarettes a day

Of course, vehicles are only a small part of smog and air pollutants, there are still things like manufacturing and crop burning.

>>220764594
The point is with a house you can charge it overnight.

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>>220762983
hybrid or kei car is most popular

People who think EVs will replace all cars are idiots. Most countries don't have the infrastructure to make driving EVs viable plus they're way too expensive

>>220764637
Filipinos rob and steal like it's a 9-5 daily job.

>>220764511
A used car costs 5000$ so you could buy it and a lifetime of fuel, and it wouldn't cost as much as an EV.
If you're so confident oil will get more expensive, you can also buy ETFs for it.

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>>220762983
>Which type of car is more popular in your country?
10+ year old Wagons.

>>220763294
China's big advantage is cheap labour and state subsidies. They're happy to subsidise loss-making industries until all the competition collapses, especially for industries of strategic importance.

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>>220764777
Fuck, wrong pic kek.

>>220764754
>A used car costs 5000$
You can use the same argument for an EV. EVs depreciates very quickly. You can get a relatively new model of EV, 1-2 years old, for half price.

>>220764741
Or having such infrastructure would cost much-much more also.

>>220764674
and semi detatched and after the housing union install chargers in the basement garage. or if its a commuter charge at work. or bite the bullet and pay for it at the mall or gas station.
its a total non issue.

>>220764784
Based China BTFOing Westoids

>>220764867
flats obviously for housing union.
if you bought one without parking you obviously never intended to drive anyway.

>>220764839
New cars are more expensive to repair.

>>220763294
Based and correct. Chuds will die on this hill unfortunately because the alternative is gay or something. They’re invested now and can’t afford to look retarded

>>220763731
Yes being the reliant on a global network of oil barrels being shipped across the planet and refineries is far harder to control for the powers that be. Like a stalion on the horizon

>>220764784
I've been hearing that forever with solar panels. China has already cornered the market with 90% of solar panels made in China, complete with the supply chain. Solar panels are dirt cheap. Why haven't they cranked up the prices yet? It doesn't make sense why they don't make it super expensive when no other country can produce them 100%.

Especially now with how unstable oil prices are. They can really put the pressure on countries by making them expensive. Like the US with oil/LNG now that they have Russian oil/gas sanctioned, took Venezuela's oil, and blockaded Hormuz.

>>220765065
Solar panels aren’t popular enough maybe. They want to get africa hooked on them first

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>>220762983
>Can EVs really replace normal cars?
No, but they are going to force it anyway. Petrol and Diesel makes more sense in a lot of situations (specifically regarding remoteness).
Hydrogen is the real future. The oil cabal will never let it happen though. They need some form of suffering in the process as its what Moloch desires or some shit (i.e. kids in mines, or ocean oil spills to ruin the habitats).

>>220762983
in the west maybe but everywhere else,no replacing the battery will be impossibly expensive.

>>220762983
for the average car owner, probably. for many other applications I'm skeptical in various degrees

>>220765213
>Toyota Mira sales:
>2021: 6000
>2025: 1000
>can't charge at home

Damn... That's a nice "future" you have over there.

>>220764784
They actually did the opposite for EVs, they allowed Tesla in with no domestic protection to force Chinese companies to adapt to the competition.

>>220763294
This (and it has been true for 15/20 years)

>>220762983
When my camry finally dies I'll replace it with an EV. My solar panels are doing great, might as well put that extra electricity to use.

>>220766429
Are you completely off the grid? Are there laws in australia that mandate grid connection? If you have sat internet and your own borewell can you be completely independent of the state?

>>220762983
EV's can replace regular cars, if they abandoned the logic of planned obsolensce and greedyness.
Why the fuck will i go buy a 40k€ EV that only has autonomy of 500 km?
That's nothing, even my cheap, shitty ass Citroen that i bought for 15k€ back in 2015 with a full tank goes for 900km. Premium 98 octane fuel lasts me 45 days if only go work-home-supermarket
EV charge the price of a Volvo or a low tier Mercedes, but their product is rubbish and massively overpriced

>inb4 BYD

Even BYD charges 40k, 50k, 60k for their models

>>220766219
>mira

>>220763058
Hybrid is 50 vs 300, not 600 in total.

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>BYD
>Burn Your Dikk

>>220762983
Evs are more expensive for long distance travel and have shit range still
Convinced battery tech may never catch up

>>220767906
>Evs are more expensive for long distance travel
What? They cover more distance per buck. The range limitation is real though. I love their smoothness though. It basically feels like a hovering vehicle that just moves in a straight line and stops. So much less noise and shaking than oilshit cars.

Based butthurt Alex.

Anons ITT genuinely arguing that oil fields, tanker megafleets, and 10 billion miles of gas pipelines are better for offgrid. Delusional

>>220763294
/thread

>>220763294
>china is getting ahead
They're not. Their economy is in shambles and all claims to the contrary are propaganda.

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>>220763058
lol no, hybrid has the downsides of both
evs are sweet and the future because there's no oil change, no transmission, no engine, cheaper than new combustion at this point, and fuel is 0-33% the cost of gasoline

>>220762983
They not only can, but they without a shadow of a doubt will.
They aren't that popular in Poland just yet, but people are simply running out of options. Not only are the Chinese EVs very, VERY significantly cheaper than any other comparable class of cars - I'm talking easily half to 1/3rd of the price.But also every major city is killing other vehicles on purpose. Kraków has a huge sector where non-electric cars just can't park. You won't be able to park in Warsaw either in a year or two. You're essentially forced to switch to electric at this point.

>>220762983
EVs are going to have to replace normal cars, it's simply not an option with the global oil supply being extremely vulnerable to tantrums made by demented old men with a god complex. And even if it weren't, oil is still a finite resource. It could be replaced with biofuels, but why would you use a large chunk of land to grow crops to ship into refineries and convert to usable fuel when you can just use that land to produce electricity with which to supply EVs directly?

>>220769373
>lol no, hybrid has the downsides of both
Are you stoopid?
Hybrid is basically an EV but with powering smaller battery from the engine. That's all the difference from EV.

Takeshi melty...

>>220767449
Fiat Grande Panda is 25k uros before subsidizes

>>220762983
Unless EVs start costing only 6000 euros, i keep having normal gas using cars

Not here.
We don't have the infrastructure for it.
People with houses can charge fine, but people in apartments are fucked.
Unless someone subsidizes literally a trillion dollar's worth of electrical work nationwide, it's going to be a slow and painful process.

>>220769373
>>220770277
Hybrids are more at a risk of thermal runaway, but they are better in terms of range. Easily 1000km+, and a tank of gas can last you for 1+ month even with frequent driving. I want to see BEVs one day have the energy density to maintain a 1000km+ range.

>>220766219
>That's a nice "future" you have over there
As I pointed out already, big oil will never let it happen. That is why the infrastructure is so underfunded, and consequently the number of H2 cars on the road is non existent.
Its clearly the most logical path forwards. Big oil and all their cronies just won't let it happen.

>>220767449
>Even BYD charges 40k, 50k, 60k for their models
Cheapest BYD here is <£20K

>>220763294
The real problem is that batteries are half of the cost of building an EV, China produces 90% of the cells, and most of the major Chinese manufacturers are much more vertically integrated while also being much more lean than American companies who have disparate supply chains and sprawling boomer bureaucracies that mean cars take forever to design and come out watered down.

>>220772350
>not EU
Probably an advantage in that they're not tariffed 30-50% extra. I think Australia (maybe New Zealand?) are the only other western countries without tariffs on those EVs.

>>220773377
what the fuck

>>220774404
a high prize for yellow fever weebs fags

>>220772455
Brexit means Brexit o algo

>>220775437
based