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There is more shits that need rolling than there is Timmies with penis cancer, madarchod

>>220769227
Numbers are irrelevant for the omnipotent. He could fix them all at once if he wanted.

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>>220769648
If you don't love me despite my earthly impotence, you don't deserve to enjoy my potent embrace in heaven

>>220769872
why he like dis?

>>220770557
He gave you free will so that you can choose to believe despite hardships. If God revealed Himself and kept interfering, that would deprive you of your free will to choose.

>>220770814
What's his end game?
>you must believe I exist or you lose
>no I will not give any proofs that I exist
>if you lose, I punish you
What the fuck is his problem?

>>220770867
Just try to believe, chud

I like the ash'ari position that God determines everything and whatever He decides on is good. So if you're bald then that's good, stop complaining.

>>220770867
maybe gnostics were right and YHWH is the Demiurge while the real God is outside

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>>220771180
Whoever is responsible for designing parasitic worms that eat your brain can't be a very chill guy
>see this cute creature that I made? It's called a fox
>well it scratched you and gave you a virus, now you can't drink water anymore and you just die very painfully

>>220770814
>I give you free will
>but I'm omniscient and already know the outcome
what's the point?

>>220771502
Him knowing doesn't negate your free will. It's still your choice.

>>220771658
If you know everything, that means you also know the future. So when you made everything, you knew exactly what will happen in the future if you make things a certain way. There's no room for free will in this equation if the guy that made everything truly knows everything. Time doesn't even have meaning in that situation. When you designed the beginning, you were also designing the ending

>>220771890
You were designed with free will. God knows all outcomes of your free will as you make choices. That doesn't mean He influences them.

>>220770867
Why would you care what the end game is? Clearly whatever he chooses leads to more varieties of beetles. Let me guess you need more? Muh dick cancer, muh male pattern baldness, muh mother dying from a genetic illness. No matter what happens there will always be more varieties of beetles, that's the world working as intended.

>>220772295
>That doesn't mean He influences them.
Doesn't make sense
It happens that Yahweh has an entire book where he's directly influencing jews into doing his bidding, a book that is claimed to be true. Why do worshippers of giga jew have to cope with him having been silent for around... 4000 years?
Also, even if Yahweh is not doing anything to, you know, save people from a mass killer, by deliberately refusing to aid despite having the power to help, his inaction is, paradoxically, an action in itself, one that influences the outcome of said event. His supposed omnipresence, combined to with his equally supposed omnipotence and all knowing nature, means that he's unable not to do anything, so he's still influencing things even if he doesn't want to.

>>220772901
The book is full of disobedience (free will). Also why would you make a comeback in the age of social media after your best record has already dropped? True believers don't need further reassurance, they listen and dance to the tune of the OG beat.

>>220773344
>The book is full of disobedience (free will)
And? Yahweh is still forcing his will, mostly by killing.
>Also why would you make a comeback in the age of social media after your best record has already dropped?
If your best record is a book with a lot of inconsistencies, then maybe Yahweh should get on with the times,
>True believers don't need further reassurance
Faith without reassurance is blindness

>>220770814
>Hobson's choice is free will o algo
Yeah, sure

>>220770984
Chuds are "believers", tho

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>>220770984
I cant, I literally can't. I am jealous of people who can believe

>>220773511
You are free to disobey, but there are consequences. As with anything in life. They teach you this in kindergarten. It's like talking down to a rebellious teen. Why is it so hard to believe when you know how simple it is, what the consequences of rejecting God are, and are better educated and exposed to the idea of God than any previous generation...

>>220772295
He influenced them when he designed the world, because he knew what will happen so he intentionally designed a world where I make these exact decisions, which he was already aware of. This isn't even a theological thing, this is just logic. The world is entirely deterministic if every outcome was already known

>>220773746
You're dodging the questions, friend

>>220773801
God designed the world with indeterminism at the smallest scales.

>>220773970
You are aware of the consequences of rejecting God. You are aware of how little is required to avoid the consequences, and yet you still express your free will to reject God. It is called faith for a reason. You don't need proof. People were given proof and still chose to disobey. You need the humility to accept that you are a guest in the creator's home and do your best to accept the gift.

It doesn't matter how many logical arguments against God raise, believers always have a new quality to add to him to solve a fault, which opens another that will be solved by another trait he has, up infinity.

Like discussing the power levels of a character, their fans always have a claim to make them more powerful than they actually are

Soyjaks will reject God even when presented with a milquetoast version of the consequences of rebelling as the ones found in Christian universalism
>nooooo you're depriving me of my free will right to eternally burn in the strawman hell made up by the dogmatics by locking me in a cutscene where jesus saves my soul!

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>>220774069
Then that would mean that he doesn't know absolutely everything. I'm not even trying to be a dick, but it doesn't really make sense otherwise. If you know the future when making things, it's like me moving this thing, I can see exactly where it's going to land when setting the angle and velocity i.e. I know the future

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>>220769227
>shits that need rolling
media illiteracy award

balding is god telling you to shave your head. dont be mad because a dung beetle is likewise a beautiful creation.

>>220770814
But he created the scenario knowing beforehand the outcome. Seems pointless

>>220772295
But he specifically made you a certain way knowing what decisions you would do. Seems cruel

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>>220768662
>Don't stress and obsess over chasing material gains,
>Stress anyway and start balding
Erm..

>>220773627
Technically everything you do is belief. You believe the image you see