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>>220772967
reddit music for people who dont shower
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itt: mangal and xis orbiters
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>>220773026
do you know at least who this oc belongs to?
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metal is the most quintessential midwit music
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listening to peakbaton rn(right now)
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>>220773026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhX0Gl6q88U
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>>220773009
>rent-seeking behavior
>le bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1cYMClnQs
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>>220773128
take a shower
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>>220773158
Easter has already passed.
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>>220773139
Landlords are good for society you filthy commie swine.
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Watching the new Metro game announcement, it will have major influences from a current thing
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>>220773180
зa гepгьoвдeн бe, миндил
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>>220773243
those games are fucking dogshit
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Thread theme
https://youtu.be/gQ9X-zktoXc?si=x79E5dvGTtL_movG
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>>220773293
Said by someone who probably enjoyed games like gaydom come deliverance
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>>220773260
cтap или нoв cтил?
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>>220773364
>gaydom come deliverance
kino game, yes

metro is just shitty stalker without the fun
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EEE ALLOO BREE
*PROGUTA HEKTOLITAR RUSKE SPERME*
EE BRE ALO OCES DA KAZES BRE
*ZAKACI NOVCANICU OD 1000000000 DINARA (2 EURA) ZA CIGANOVU HARMONIKU*
CEK CEK CEK BRE ZNACI OCES DA MI SAOPSTIS DA
*POPUSI KURAC TURCINU*
ZNACI ONO STO MI GOVORIS JE
*UPALI TRAKTOR*
ZNACI AKO TE DOBRO RAZUMEM
*SMRDI NA RAKIJU DOK GLEDA GARAVE SERVKINJE KAKO DJUSKAJU POD SATOROM U NEKOJ SELENDRI*
ZNACI BRE TI MENI GOVORIS
*IMA DVI GEJ PARATE GODISNJE*
ZNACI OCES DA MI KAZES BRE
*ZAPOCME RAT I IZGUBI GA*
ALOOO BRE TI MENI GOVORIS DA
*UMRE OD TROVANJA URANIJEM*
ZNACI BRE TI MENI GOVORIS DA SMO MI BILI AMEBE I SRANJA?
BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Kek some people didn't like the Ukrainian devs talking about their country!
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>>220773364
An absolute masterpiece, that. Never figured out the combat system but hey bruteforced it.
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>>220773237
Damn I was in the wrong all along, I'll get in touch with my former landlord and apologize for calling him out on flooding the house with rude indians and niggers
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>>220773392
>shitty stalker
even that is too much praise for a linear dogshit fps
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>>220773237
https://www.econlib.org/book-chapters/chapter-ch-24-adam-smith-concerning-the-rent-of-land/
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>>220773393
hello, based department???
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>>220773473
They are the future of Britain seething chud.
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>>220773497
its russoids tying to make codslop
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>>220773501
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>>220773520
Indeed, we'll need fertilizer once we revert back to an agricultural economy
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>>220773547
Funny how modern mutts would call you a commie for this.
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>>220773559
I think you missed the memo on who will be tilling the fields little bro, don't worry tho your wife will be helping you toil... right?
>>220773581
It's actually more complicated than that, Adam Smith or Mao or Lenin are not talking about apartment owners but actual landlords. Real estate industry wasn't a real thing back then and 100 years ago rent for an apartment was dirt cheap. It was food that was expensive.
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>>220773581
they are right
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>>220773581
>Landlord's right has its origin in robbery
No other real estate ownership system exists, sunshine.
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Most successful socialist state in history BTW (not joking)
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AHEM! you will never be a man, you will never be a woman, you will never be an intellectual, you will never get a degree, you will never have a successful carreer, you will never be rich, you will never get power, BUT you will kill yourself sooner or later when a moment of clarity reveals to you that you are a failed sick sad and above all else mentally handicapped perversion of an adult male human. disgusting roach tranny degenerate retard, kys lmao
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>>220773692
They were right about landlords there and they're right about landlords now.
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>>220774075
you sound like a virgin egghead, you can answer me, why does my shitdows 11 take 100gigs from my ssd???
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>>220774075
>pagefile 24gb
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>>220774172
I'm not here to make any normative statements, I'm just a humble observer.
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Those who pray for dew at the desert's edge shall bring forth the deluge.
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>>220772967
where did you find this photo of me
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>>220773824
It's yugoslavia.
>>220774075
Nobody cares.
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wooooooooooooooah bros

HAPPENING

call of DUTY movie DROPS in TWO YEARS

Will it be World At War themed? Nope. Will it be Call of Duty MW2 (2009) themed? nope. Will it be niki minaj and brainrot themed? Yes
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>>220774262
How many world powers did Jugoslavia defeat by itself bro
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>it's yugoslavia
>country that failed twice, it's seconds iteration flopping so hard economically that it broke apart in a bloody civil war
timmy is a mongoloid serb dijaspora 100%, /ex-yu/ was right about him
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i dont get the serves and tractors meme
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>>220774410
They fled Croatia on tractors, thousands of them.
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>>220774382
Kek nigga did a complete 180 on timmygal just like that
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>>220774262
Based Timmyboss
Yugoslavia's strongest soldier
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We need to see croach and Timmy argue on Yugoslavia lol. This will be unmatched levels of pure weaponized autism.

Place your bets everyone! High functioning codemaymun autist or low functioning doctorwannabe autist.

100 leva—uhh euros on timmy!!!
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>>220774410
it's a meme based on disgusting serboroach army fleeing in such a panic that they ran over their own civilians using tanks so they can flee faster: https://youtu.be/op13Pyz2Bg0
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>>220774249
slony's oc
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>>220774584
They couldn't tell them apart from croatians.
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Serbia vs Croatia is basically just rich western coastal democrats vs dumb hick country republicans lol.

And just like in America, they're BOTH gay.
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>>220774438
whats even funnier is the fact that US/HATO stopped their second great tractor parade out of BiH by threatening to bomb Croats and Bosniaks when they were near Banja Luka, here is is a serboroach commander openly admitting that: https://youtu.be/Ja6WuoMvaPE

before you ask, yes, they fled kosovo on tractors too lmao
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>>220774634
I know, it might have been my photo I posted in v4 but it's been so many years I forgot
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>wikipoopdia isnt' bias-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy


wooah
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HOMEP 2 / 18
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I'm glad croatians escaped from rural chuds to make based rock music, while Serbian turkic savages made turbo folk

Thank you Croatia for defending EVROPE and christendom.

https://youtu.be/CWtU9FAclmk?si=Ygb0QHKx6IjyNXfD
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Serbs invented Liquid trees.
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>>220774051
I'm gonna tap the sign again, 41% statistic is coming for you tranny roach retard lmao
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>>220774968
bbbased
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>>220774968
Oh no!!! Help me!
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>>220774051
based
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>>220775067
I dont want to die nooooo
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>>220775109
all of us will.....

.... when the 2035 Russian - EU war begins
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>>220774438
>>220774584
so, like our turks kek?
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#MyPenisNeedsLoveToo
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>>220775232
The Serbs massacred civilians and ruined cities before they had to go back. Our Turks went peacefully.
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>>220775143
These two pathetic feminized states? Count me in.
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>mfw when anon tells me to kms
https://voca.ro/1hVMSKzVmZN3
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjDuxrzX9E
The 'lach survived the shoah.
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>>220775268
and get to enjoy many benefits today
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>>220775400
Agreed.
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would be genuinely nice if I died in my sleep tonight
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Insane how modern Bumgarians spread literal NATO propaganda how the Bumgarian dictator sent the poor Turks to Türkiye and ethnically cleansed them.

When in reality Zhivkov (PBUH) said that once the Turks go see Türkiye (literal american owned capitalist hellscape) they will come running back to socialist Bulgaria. And they did! Kek. My family lasted barely one year in Türkiye and they came running back. My uncle even dodged the army lmao.

And guess what, when they came back the Bulgarians left their property and everything intact. How noble.

Thank you Zhivkov for everything you have done for my family and defending the dignity and liberty of my people. If I was in your position i'd have public executions for, democratic color revolution NATO dogs.

https://youtu.be/1iafg8AJ3SU?si=8c-lxiwXQsE22qJr
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>barely any serbs post on /ex-yu/ or on /balk/
>croats cant stop thinking about us and then seething
kek this is what you call butthurt
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>>220773392
bro... kcd 2 is gay, 1 is ok.
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>>220775767
This post made me feel the white man's burden.
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>>220774203
noone can answer that bro, not even the indians at microdick
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>>220774676
please stop posting these pictures. post something good looking.
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i came, i replied to the interesting posts ( 3 ) and now i leave once again. good night, niggies.
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i am already in pain so tomorrow morning i will probably post a post about wanting to kill myself, yet again, as is tradition. or i will post nothing if i see a good morning sky.
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>>220775926
How can you feel the white man's burden when you don't even read the white man's books LMAO, are you even capable of reading?
>>220775958
That is the reality of American conservatism, and the reality of the state that all the NAFOids preach over here. If the truth is too much for you to bare go cry about it. Cope and seeth as they say.
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>>220775795
ubij se kučkojebe nakazo
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>they moved the trash cans
evil kritchurs
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>>220776076
every second one of your posts is just too dark. try to be a bit more positive.
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>>220776150
As dark as in his ass
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>>220776098
not your boogeyman obsessed HRTvat
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>>220776219
>babaroga
nisi babaroga nego su cuckojeb, ubij se lmao
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>>220775268
>>220775400
Bro ffs you're not supposed to reveal that serbs actually did remove kebab, like come on.
>>220775795
It's funny how they always dickride you so hard, beggging for attention.
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>>220775268
>Our Turks went peacefully
arent they bitching that the commies killed some of them now?
and oh no, they gave us civilized names forcefully, the horror!
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I wish what that croat said was true and all the mean masculine boys bullied me for being a feminine little twerp

That's so hot. I wish I was born in Bumgaria so that all the strong masculine provinical Bumgarian boys beat up the smoll turkish gayboi

>>220776397
Read >>220775767
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>>220776423
i've literally never read a single of your schizo posts, especially the ones with a weebshit image attached, im afraid
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>>220776451
this is my picture! you stole it.
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>makke gypsy serbs joins to defend the izzat of the serboroaches
>they removed kebab meme
can't make this shit up lmao today was a good day, a lot of izzat was lost in the thread, irreversibly of course kek
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>>220776451
It's a photo of Zhivkov bro and actual history, 90% of my posts are political-economic-historical

Just because I am honest with my vulnerabilities doesn't make me a caricature. AND it's an anime website sweetie.
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>>220776462
бъpкaш ce пaк, дeбeл
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>>220776423
kek you reminded me of a chubby blond yte boy we used to tie up and whip with sticks
i don't even remember how he managed to get us to do this, i think he just had the look of a victim and all i remember is how much he liked it
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>>220776511
>90% of my posts are political-economic-historical
lmao dork
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One time I made my ex RP that he was a bumgarian soldier in balkan wars and I was a captured villager and I only let him speak bumgarian to me.

:3
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>>220776544
cigan
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>>220776558
Kek this is literally me. Unironically makes me so jealous~
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>cigan
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>>220776667
mangal
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>>220776623
he was bragging about taking boys behind the commieblock to kiss their pp and was clenching his fists and shaking with excitement telling these stories after each conquest
pretty sure we were no older than 7 or 8 when this was happening, insane how early womanbrained fags start doing gay shit
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>>220776764
It means his father was soft. My father was undisputed patriarch— very repressive and every case of faggotry resulted in beatings.

I did a lot of singing and dancing in elementary school tho cuz our education was very feminized.
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>>220776828
So are fags born or made
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>threw the trash on an out of the way trash can
>waited 17mins in line to buy 8 monster cans for 1k rublek
>saw a slutwhore in mini-shorts while walking home
all in all, 7/10 supply run
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>>220776913
I think as with all things it depends.

Just because you are an effeminate faggot doesn't mean you have to be a flag waiving LGBT faggot

Pic related
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>>220777030
i have never seen an albanian woman irl.
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>>220777055
I meant, sexual/romantic, not the ideological stuff
Wanting to suck dick, get fucked, fall in love with men
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>>220777083
>woman
I was busy staring at her legs and bitching at the pensioners that held up the line for 10 minutes buying 300 wrapped and weighed items that needed to be scanned individually, but I'm pretty sure she was too short to be a woman
maybe girl at most
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>>220777086
There is a lot of people who suck dick but have no romantic attraction to men. There are also trannies who think they are lesbians.

My situation is different in that my sexuality was supressed and there was no chads around to bully me so I didn't really think of men romantically until I started reading books with heroic male characters and basically I was like vghhhh I need this in my life

However I have had sexual fantasies about being assaulted/raped long before that since I first started puberty

If we lived in a more normal society I can probably larp as a hetero but the question is if I would find that emotionally fulfilling and I probably wouldn't because I naturally take on a more feminine role in the relationship
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>>220777233
i have never seen albanian girl irl.
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>>220777273
here bro
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>>220777300
good thing i have not seen that irl.
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>>220777300
>>220777316
My boyfriend said I am more feminine than some albanian women kek
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Kek, my boss from the job I quit just sent me a text.

I drive all the men crazy x3
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>>220777350
man.... please do not be gay.
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>>220777394
>please stop extracting attention and resources from men
NEVERRRR
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-.-
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Good women nowhere, only sloots in Patra
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>>220777441
i have seen greek women irl. it was pain for my eyes.
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>>220777441
>why are there sloots around in sloot season
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>>220777546
I love summer :3
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Im 40 and I can't believe how many people I graduated with are already dead.
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>>220777594
I've never seen such a young fyromian
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>>220777594
Let me guess, all men?

Brootal, bro
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dua lipa MOGS taylor swift

FACT!
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>>220777645
Actually yeah, I don't know enough about female classmates though they all seem to be "traveling" or missing in action(probably married if not neeting).
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>>220777591
kek look at that self-flagellating subhuman
he will also not have sex but he will lose his mind because he's not getting it
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>>220777594
wtf a corpse
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>>220777594
my opinion on the people that died that i knew and are/were at my age:

- maybe if the fucking whore did not take drugs and vaccines she would not . hearth stroke at 31? bro....
- the shipnigga died at 27 because of his nigga employers that faced no consequences. management needs to be killed.
-she died in a car crash - the most boring way to die.
-he killed himself at 33 - a true bulgarian
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>>220777694
>they all seem to be "traveling"
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>>220777645
50-50 men - women for me.
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>>220777727
I also know one guy who killed himself.
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>>220777757
Ye but the men died incel deaths
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>>220777763
technically the woman i know also killed herself... but in a more advanced and non-intentional way. but yea - men do it on purpose.
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>>220777795
women also die women deaths do not be silly. women die in the most bizarre ways possible . stop being so incel.
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>>220777708
I can lecture you about historic events as if I've lived through them, because I have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DLWagtY1i0
>>220777727
What happened to the shipnigga? Accident or intentional murder?
>>220777733
Yeah, I know.
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>>220777855
Kill yourself faggot. If you lived in the west you'd be incel too.
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as the jew has said when he was making the pro-abortion propaganda:
"women are leafs in the wind that the wind just caries around"
if the wind caries a woman to the grave then... well... it just happened that way, it was meant to be. she died young and foolish - the end.
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>>220777886
Okay who are you? And more importantly who are you in relation to me...

I need to know in which posts I was talking to a 40 year old boomer
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>>220777763
I know one woman who killed herself (drowning) and know really well another guy who tried to hung himself in a field and was saved by a passerby.
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i dont understand

my entire team is fired and will be unemployed in june 25

yet my manager harass me everyday because i slack

i left it on "read" and now he said "hope it will be done for tomorrow"

is this nigger serious?

why are balkanoids such bootlickers

i will go back to western europe i cant stand these cucks
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>>220777886
>What happened to the shipnigga? Accident or intentional murder?

https://manager.bg/svyat/travmatichen-shok-e-pogubil-blgarina-koyto-zagina-na-korab-kray-sardiniya
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>>220777985
fb : denislav93559 - i had to visit his facebook because i could not find the news... apparently people wish him "good birthday" even though he has been dead for 9 years
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>>220777891
hating women in a softcore way is ok, but being a hardcore woman hater is just annoying after a while. you can say "fuck women" once per day and noone will bat an eye, but say it once per minute and everyone will be annoyed
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>>220777975
he is just buck broken - happens a lot with managers.
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If I had to learn a Balkan language, which one should I learn and why?
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>>220778104
You live in a little Bulgarian bubble and you have no idea how the west actually functions

Everything you say comes from ignorance, don't talk to me. Your sons (if you have any) will inherent your sins
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>>220778147
hate women as a part time job, not as a workaholics full time waggie
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>>220778136
Slavic Macedonian, it makes Bulgarians seethe
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>>220778186
macedonian doesnt exist
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>>220778175
The West is a full-blown matriarchal. Might as well tell me not to hate Jews. Hell women have more power than Jews.

You're just ignorant and ignorance is bliss.
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>>220778147
kek can't wait for these brown beasts to become even worse than they currently are (no one marries them, they divorce and abort like crazy)
i will be adventuring through the empty new buildings that real estate tycoons build and put little speakers that play babies crying with a demonic filter in remembrance and channeling of all the aborted bulgarian babies
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im 34 and i dont have pretty much any friends dead yet, aside for few retards that ACK-ed themselves on motorcycles, but thats normal, cos i had lots of friends in those circles

also, this turk girl form my high school class died back in like 9th grade, but thats cos she had some heart condition since she was born, but thats pretty much everyone i know since childhood thats dead
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hate women everyday from 8 a.m. to 9 a.m. after that stop hating and do other things.
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>>220778226
Extremely based. Imagine how many Bulgarian children have been aborted. An entire generation wiped out basically.

Sad.
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what should I tell this troon in like 6 days?
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hating timeline:
8 am - 9 am : women
9 am -10 am : jews
10 am - 11 am : blacks
for the croat: 11 am - 12 am : russians
12 am - 1 pm : troons
1 pm - 2 pm : arabs
and then you can rest and sleep happy. or work, those are work hours.
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>>220778290
Most criminals are men.
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>>220778226
>>220778255
YOU NEED TO BREED BECAUSE.... YOU JUST NEED OKAY?

https://www.bulgarianproperties.bg/imoti-tristayni-apartamenti/imot-89320-tristaen-apartament-za-prodajba-v-sofiya.html
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>>220778314
If you dont breed the state will bring in fresh tsigan straight from the slums of Mumbai to do it for you

LINE need to go UP
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>>220778364
why would i care if im dead?

also they import animals from uzbekistan to deliver pizzas already
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https://youtu.be/lzqkUFhOaqs

GREEK pragmatist CIA veteran vs mulatto idealist active glownigger
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>>220777985
>>220778064
>So far, the investigation is being conducted against unknown perpetrators and the charges are for manslaughter. The magistrates are trying to understand the reason the injured sailors were on deck at a time when a sea storm with a wind of the order of 7 ball. It is investigated whether they were on deck by order of superiors and whether safe measures were met during operations. This will become clear as soon as the testimony of the three wounded, as well as of the remaining staff on board the ship, is registered in the court registers.
LMFAAAAAO expecting HUGE BOSSESS to take responsibility?
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>>220778448
>123. "I don't care what happens, since I'll be dead by then." Typical subhuman sentiment. They don't care about the future. And it is for this reason that the future will not care about them.
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>>220778586
i had misremembered his age because of my dementia, but the fact that he was 24 years old, died and basically no consequences happened says a lot about managers.
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>>220778566
fuck the cia
fuck nato
people who allow pic related should be tortured
we dont forget the bombing of sofia in 1944
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>>220778587
If he can't get pussy and breed then what future does he have?
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>>220778587
t. Jamal de Pequenio O'Connell, childless at 37 y/o
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>>220778669
>The meatgrinder
Nah, most he'll do is pre-fetal abortion of his children.
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>>220778668
We already established i am a turk bro, no need to backtrack who i am.

Also spics are breeders, especially boomer spics. They come here with their families.
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>>220778690
The men that are simps and cucks, of which there are many even among us on /balk/ all need to die.
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>>220778731
But I thought simping was just natural straight behavior meant to provide for a woman in exchange for reproduction, which in modern times is simply misguided and exploited by e-thots as a means of maximizing the benefits of extracting resources from multiple men vs 1 man.
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>>220778784
You can simp for your wife but simping for literal whores is pure dysgenic social contagion
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>>220778310
>hating arabs and blacks instead of t*rks and gypos
dumb hayvan
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>>220778853
>t. Never met a nigger or a towelhead
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>>220778691
even a stray dog can breed 10 kids, it s nothing to be proud
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revisited hating timetable v2:
8 am - 9 am : women
9 am -10 am : jews
10 am - 11 am : blacks
for the croat: 11 am - 12 am : russians
12 am - 1 pm : troons
1 pm - 2 pm : arabs
2 pm - 3pm : gypsies
3 pm - 4 pm : turks
and then you can rest and sleep happy. or work, those are work hours.
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>>220778310
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https://youtu.be/ssO8JARyViA

Django Ze knew about Pepe before Pepe was hallucinated into reality
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>>220778872
Stray dogs don't live in matriarchy where their natural behaviors are supressed 24/7
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>>220778937
How many of these non-virgins are gay though?
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>>220778915
don't hate the playas, hate the gaem
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>>220778937
getting laid in 2026 is very easy
havings kids with a non damaged woman is super mega hard
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>>220778937
Half of jenzi adults are non-white
Timmies are virgins, Beckies are lesbians or asexual
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>>220778958
If we bought our great grandfathers to the modern West and you saw the grooming and behavior habits of the average male they'd think 100%
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>>220778994
You are just old, lol. You don't know shit about modern zoomer behaviors in America.

Western habits was so intolerable for you, you went ot fucking BULGARIA lmao. The reality is much worse than you think.

>>220779007
Lots of brown and black incels bro.
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>>220778870
AKSHUALLY, i knew a nigger since i was like 4, he was at my grandma's village every year, his dad was from fucking Gambia or some shit, but moved here during the commie times with those programs for african niggers in universities they had. He was a total bro, it was very funny, all the village grandmas calling him ''нeгъpчeтo". he was like a walking stereotype tho, he was like 2 meters tall when we were 12 and played basketball non-stop.
i think he became a cab driver in Varna now, i miss him
He was also called Sashko kek
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>>220779061
>I knew this one nigger
Typical dumb fucking normoid lol. Not even gonna dignify your bullshit with a response. I grew up in flatbush, you don't know shit.
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>>220779061
When the mutt flag says nigger, it's not thinking of a FOB black. It's thinking of a detroit pavement ape.
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>>220779043
i was having sex very easily in paris
but with highly damaged women
tattos, leftism, feminism, bisexualism, pro migrantism
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>>220779129
When was that bro? 2015?
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>>220779152
i left paris in 2021
tinder then i was inviting them home directly due to lockdowns
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>>220779203
Well parisan women are known to be whores, it's a literal 200 year old stereotype.

You dont know the struggles of the atomized deathnik. It's basically what you experience in bumgaria but worse because you belong to the imported underclass
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>>220779203
>paris
ew
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>>220779248
wtf are you talking about?

every girl i meet in bulgaria wants to marry and have kids

my only issue is that i dont want to marry and i might be infertile because they never get pregnant
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>>220779303
>every woman wants to get married to a wealthy westerner with an accent
You don't really know anything. I'm just gonna leave this here.
https://archive.org/details/lapornocratieoul00prouuoft
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Fucked whores in Paris but it was a dirty brown beast from Lozenets that gave him genital herpies

Parisian beckies should take notes, they are not dirty enough
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>>220778566
why do i see this fucking glownigger literally everywhere?

the only Greek American glownigger that ever did something good for his actual homeland was this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_John_Lalas

All the rest are traitors and even helped stage coups and shit
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>>220779336
yup

bulgarian women really are dirty whores

parisian women are whores to the BWC exclusively
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>>220779397
How many bugi girls did you fuck
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>>220779303
are you not aware that you are talking to a tranny roach imbecile broken so hard by mutt dystopia that he trooned out? you're better off reading product declarations of random food items at your house or listening to white noise
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I know two Bulgarian virgins who are mt close friends. One is a literal factory worker and he is mentally completely fucked.

All the bumgarian girls are sleeping with the foreign westoids it seems.

Dirty dirty French people. Zhivkov tried to prevent this.

>>220779483
Lmao shut up retarded degenerate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petites_cochonnes_bulgares
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>whereas Americans only believed in a CHRISTIAN nation
even before you niggers had your independence you freed jews from the british and gave them equal rights. there is nothing inherently christian about america and its constitution. you guys don't even practice what you preach when it comes to christianity.
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>>220779491
>All the bumgarian girls are sleeping with the foreign westoids it seems.

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