Aside from the OCs, it looks really good. I'm looking forward to playing it as I've always wanted something like this.

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Interesting take on the Oz series, looks very cool!

>>50992002
Apparently it'll have good netcode, kinda huge. There will also be 40 characters, though they'll come in pairs so only 20 playable options.

>>50992002
It couldn't possibly be worse than UDoALG, so I'll keep tabs on it.

Please release some Touhou games on Switch

>>50992002
This is good news

>>50992002
Oh hell yeah, I'd love a fan take on the Phantasmagoria's
...it's based on Oz? That's interesting
Spritework doesn't look dogshit, has a nice style to it even
>>50992005
Honestly like there's just two I see and one of them looks good and the other one only looks bad when they do the weird pose with the hand thing

Finally another option to sate my thirst for Phantasmagoria games besides Roblox for some fucking reason https://youtu.be/IewjFtSW2LY

>>50992002
I hope this isn't just an excuse for faggots to shill their OCs.

>>50994170
I'd rather a fan game just create characters rather than molest existing characters trying to fit them into certain roles.

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>>50994134
>Honestly like there's just two
There are a LOT more than two. If you look at the steam page you'll see that there are 12 playable characters in the demo: Reimu, Aunn, Marisa, Okina and Tokiko are the only Touhou characters. The rest are OCs. SEVEN OCs, we're only on the fucking demo and they already outnumber the regular cast.

>>50994170
Unfortunately this game is being made by the same team that made this game, which WAS quite literally just a shitty excuse for these fags to shill their OCs: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3829880/Touhou_Kouzougi__Flickerframe_Shutter_Festival/
I want to look forward to it, but it's looking bleak.

>>50994181
It's a Touhou game. I want to play as and against Touhou characters. Not some random xitter account's Donut Steel.

Really sad, I've been waiting for well over a decade for a game like this, but it's being made by a bunch of people who can't keep their egos in check.

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You should play Hollow song of birds NOW

>>50994227
Oh god no it's the flicker frame festival guys? Okay no that makes me upset that had the worst westoid OCs ever

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I'm only hoping it can be modded, so that I can stop using PoFV for a series of CPU vs CPU tournaments I've been running with characters from several franchises.
(Pic related was the second edition, for the curious)

>>50994227
I didn't realize that it was that many. I thought it'd be like two OCs total. What a shame.

>>50994693
Is this vgl stuff?

>>50994907
It was a side event for it, yeah.

>>50994944
Was there something equivalent for the 4cc?

>>50994953
There hasn't been an equivalent, at least not yet.

>>50994963
Sad

>>50992002
I'm vaguely interested since I like HSoB and would like to see more of its characters, but Phantasmagoria game is a huge turn off. I might be able to stomach it if it's more like UDoALG, but otherwise I'll likely skip it.

>>50996870
>Phantasmagoria game is a huge turn off. I might be able to stomach it if it's more like UDoALG
Even though UDoALG was a straight downgrade compared to PoFV?

>>50999494
Yes. Despite all its flaws and it being evidently unfinished, it's still the closest a Phantasmagoria game came to being fun for me. I just don't like the gameplay format, so I appreciated ZUN making 19 into a sort of mish-mash between pure PoFV and the normal shmup games.

>>50999759
>unfinished
heh

Why do you guys suddenly hate touhou OCs? A lot of the Japanese fan games have a bunch of OCs and I know people were sharing their own in a few threads here, so why is this one bad now?

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>>51002400
I think it can be boiled down to 2 main reasons. The first is the fact that usually fangames with a heavy OC focus still have established 2hus as the majority of the playable characters. It's framed as familiar characters finding themselves in a new incident, it follows the Touhou framework. This on the other hand has OCs as the majority of the playables, we're to treat all of these random schmucks as equals to the characters that we know and love. Even when you look at PoFV or UDoALG you see that ZUN had the sense to make most of the characters in those already established characters, with only 5 or so new ones.

The 2nd is that the devs have shit taste in OCs. Their previous game wasn't just their OCs like some people think, but more like half their OCs and then half OCs from other works, including one unfinished Chinese fangame. I think the idea of making a Phantasmagoria game to celebrate OCs is a cool idea in theory, and HSoB representation is fantastic, but look at pic related, this is the one totally original OC that they made for their previous game. Do you have high hopes for their other OCs that'll inevitably be in this? Because I fucking don't.

>>51002487
And the 3rd is that this is the only Phantasmagoria-styled fangame TO DATE so they should focus on that as a selling point instead of a bunch of Donut Steels that nobody gives a shit about.

>>51002501
>this is the only Phantasmagoria-styled fangame TO DATE
3rd, but I get what you mean

>>51002523
Name the other 2. I know Fools Rush In is one of them but that doesn't count.

>>51002525
>that doesn't count
Rude. Well the other one is Wonderful Battle Dreamer but it only has a trial and is never going to actually be completed. I'm just arguing about the technicality of your words, the spirit of what you were saying was right.

>>51002487
>>51002501
And people wonder why there isn't much western fan content.

>>51002564
Quite the contrary, there's too much already.

>>51002487
To be completely honest? I kind of like the direction they were going with the character. Using geta less as traditional japanese footwear and more as high heels to be combined with the business lady feels like that east meets west stuff ZUN loves, and what I can only presume is a a glowing red eye stitched into the fabric of the suit ties into that "CEO of TenguCorp" it'd be both incredibly funny and incredibly expected if that was the actual name vibe she's got going on between that and the crow.

The parts I really don't like are the phone, which works with the rest of the outfit and while it is very much possible in Gensokyo it still feels off, and I imagine we wouldn't get used to it like we did with Hatate because the character probably sucks ass. The glasses give off way more intimidating chinese merchant vibe than a boss vibe, especially since you can't even see the bridge between glasses. But the hair is god fucking awful and I have no idea how they managed to fuck up what's probably the most important part of a characters appearance. The color, the forehead, the lack of volume, the dango, even the I'm going to call them pseudo-twintails. The only thing I like from the hair over the shoulders strands but the rest of feels completely at odds with whatever they were going for design-wise to the point where if you told me she was a secret joke character I would believe you on the hair alone.

>This on the other hand has OCs as the majority of the playables, we're to treat all of these random schmucks as equals to the characters that we know and love.

This is kind of straying from your point, but to me it's much less offensive to have an OC I don't care about than seeing shit like Yuuka "blood... death... murder!!!!!! Kill! Kill! KILL KILL KILLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (/me summons 20 carnivore plants to eat you alive and plant seeds in your corpse)" Kazami. I won't disagree with you that it's fucking annoying when OC's make up any large portion of the cast and it should basically never go beyond 20%, but if I just decide to ignore these OC's as characters and treat them purely as mechanics that's much more preferable to having a character I actually do love being defaced. And that's actually piss-easy to do in a Phantasmagoria-esque game. Presuming it gets dumped I'll give the game a go just to see what the gameplay style is like, and hopefully there'll be a shot type I really like, but I'm not exactly filled with hopes either.

>>51002487
Interesting point, I didn't think of it like that. My initial assumption was that the OCs were of the woke variety and/or made by trannies.

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>>51002487
she looks good, better than any character that debuted in FW
cute crow with tie

>>51003626
That's cause you didn't really care beyond being a political goon
This is what really matters to Otaku

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>>51003371
>I kind of like the direction they were going with the character
Same, your thoughts on the geta mirror mine exactly, but the hair man, jesus fuck the hair. One thing you didn't bring up that really bothers me is the suit/skirt combo, there's almost no actual visible division between them so they sorta form one weird mass.
>it's much less offensive to have an OC I don't care about than seeing shit like Yuuka "blood... death... murder!!!!!!
I don't have a big issue with that personally, black Tewi etc etc, but I do think that making a new character to fit a role instead of forcing an established one into said role is something that would probably ruffle less feathers.
>>51003626
>the OCs were of the woke variety
Some of them are, like pic related was made for a Pride Game Jam game, but I don't think most people give enough of a shit about these OCs to look into their origins. Funnily enough I think she's one of the less offensive ones.

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>>51003371
>it's much less offensive to have an OC I don't care about than seeing shit like Yuuka "blood... death... murder!!!!!! Kill! Kill! KILL KILL KILLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (/me summons 20 carnivore plants to eat you alive and plant seeds in your corpse)" Kazami.
This is probably just talking about USC Yuuka broadly, but I can't help but think this is referencing something in particular lol

>>51006876
That fanfic truly sucked

>>51006887
I have a weird love hate relationship with it because I think it *could* have been good if someone taught the author how to not be a secondary

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>>51006876
IM was exactly what I was thinking of when I made that part of the post, yeah. A part of me is interested to try and re-read it and see how truly bad it is purely because that fanfic basically killed any and all interest I had in reading fanfics.
>>51005075
Honestly I also really like this design too. Genuinely the only thing I would drop would be the top partially because it's a very clear disconnect with the rest of the dress and the heart pattern looks a bit off, but the rest is gorgeous. The more I scroll through this game though the more I see a buncha designs that range from good to trash, but I wanna point out this one specifically because of how fucking goofy it is.

>>51007111
>Genuinely the only thing I would drop would be the top
I'd like her to drop her top too, heyo

>>51007111
When I said I had a love hate relationship with it, I do sincerely mean the love part. I actually like the story because the quality greatly improves after Ch33 starts, I just hate how it uses the characters and setting, so it depends on how well you can mentally seperate those kinds of things. That being said I think Mima's one of the best characters in the whole thing and her characterization feels like building on her character from the games instead of making some new bullshit over the bulldozed remains of their actual character
Yuuka however is and will always remain the worst thing in it and is kinda inseperable. The author actually reposted the whole story to Ao3 and rewrote parts of it along the way and I thought "oh hey maybe they could actually salvage this thing?" But when I saw they decided to keep Nitori speaking like offbrand Jar Jar Binks I knew it was too good to be true (the only big change they did was give Tenshi a more active role in one of my favourite chapters so, I guess it wasn't all nothing?) I was kinda hoping he'd address the Yuuka thing by either like making her some kind of imposter skinwalker who replaced the real Yuuka or just making a whole new donut steel that takes her role in the story, kinda like the Notgetsu twins from FDF https://youtu.be/L86n9b-eQHQ

I think the biggest reasons the characters are like that is cause I asked the author many years ago and they admitted they completely ignore the in-game dialogue which is like the other 70% of the only information we'll ever get about a character in this series

>but I wanna point out this one specifically because of how fucking goofy it is.
Makes me nostalgic for Rock of Ages

>>51007372
>I think the biggest reasons the characters are like that is cause I asked the author many years ago and they admitted they completely ignore the in-game dialogue which is like the other 70% of the only information we'll ever get about a character in this series
I always figured it was because the author was presumably 13 when they wrote it, not that they were among the original secondaries. Honestly in a way I almost respect it, since that fanfic was started way back in the late 2000's if I'm remembering it right, and back then you actually had to try to be a secondary.

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>>51008483
Yeah exactly but time has progressed and we have easy to acess resources for the primary material that it's on them for not bothering to do research once they became available. At simplest maybe ask other people about it there's a lore channel on the Touhou d**cord as maligned as it is here fanfiction writers probably won't be too bothered
Honestly I think a lot of problems it has would be wiped away if it just leaned more on and embraced being an alt universe / reinterpretation scenario
Nobody gives RAINMAKER https://youtu.be/wdPoHpzLifs or like HSE shit for being weird because it's kinda the point
I think it's just the strange attempt to "try to stick close to consensus canon" while going off the rails like that (If you literally open up the first chapter of the story the first author's note literally is "I'm trying to stick as close as I can to the generally agreed upon personalities of the characters, but there is going to be minor changes here and there" and I'm like "minor huh?")
It's such a shame too because the concept of "serious long Touhou story written like a novel" is wonderful and it does do some good here and there with executing that (It gets more use out of characters who normally don't get much of a chance to do anything outside of doujins centered around them like Rika and Rikako who are sisters in the story and get into a mech battle with Nitori at one point, very fun one of my favourite chapters actually. No, I'm not the Rika guy)
Honestly the setting up for future character development / misadventures with Sakuya and Alice is very interesting to me and what I was invested in before the big cliffhanger

>>51002487
I like how her little crow has a tie