>Entertaining
Get a gas airsoft gun if you want a toy

>>65033534
I have PCPs and a 10m range in my basement. One is destructive, the other isn't. One is a different weapon, trigger, etc. , the other isn't. If you have nothing useful to say, then just kindly fuck off.

>>65033527
Speer used to make .45 ACP plastic bullets that you fired from a primed case.
They currently make a .38 Special version that functions similarly.

>>65033557
If you cant take serious advice for entertainment get out of here.

No, we don't get the idea. Why would a beefier inert round be more entertaining?

Are you asking why there isn't live ammo for guns that shoot very weak plastic projectiles so more places can be shooting ranges?
It has existed, but didn't really take off. It doesn't recoil like proper ammo, group like proper ammo, or cycle normal autoloaders like normal ammo, but it still makes a mess of powder, lots of noise, and legally counts as discharging a firearm. With the only benefit being that you don't need a tough backstop, it isn't worth the other issues. Might as well either step up to .22lr or down to airsoft, appropriately for whatever you're doing.
https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/blue-plastic-9mm-dag-what-to-do-with-it.3586605/

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>>65033527
Beefier versions of that exist. An English company called Brocock made 'airguns' that worked like that back in the 80's if not earlier.

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>>65033627
The Brocock guns use special "cartridges". These are basically a tiny single-use high pressure air tank with a built-in valve. You have to pump up each cartridge with a manual pump, then fit an airgun pellet in the nose. With that done, you can load the "cartridges" into the gun like normal rounds.

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>>65033635
Accessories

>>65033605
You can do basically this with all calibers, if you don't mind them not cycling automatics. Cast your own wax bullets and load them with a primed case.

>>65033635
Wait, those were fucking single use? You couldn't reload those cartridges?

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bullet mold picrel.
take some old casings, replace the primer and insert cast rubber bullet. load magazine, pull trigger until it goes click. cycle your weapon for every shot.

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>>65033527
Italians made something like you're asking for

https://www.targetfun.it/blog/blog/nuove-aravons-blu-per-tiro-ridotto-indoor/

>>65033891
>Wait, those were fucking single use?
I should have said single-shot. You can indeed refill them with air.

>>65033943
That stuff doesn't work in a mold. It takes fucking forever to dry and it shrinks as it does so. You could cast 2-part silicone or urethane though. Or just use earplugs. that's a lot cheaper and a lot less work.

>>65034086
great suggestion! thanks!

After looking around I found more of the wax + primer varieties. These guys make special casings where you can just drop in the primer, and they sell the wax projectiles in bulk https://gunslingeremporium.com/wax-bullets-shells-accessories/

Howeer, not really what I'm after. Was hoping to find something that uses spring tension inside the case and the firing pin striking the "primer" would cause it to release the spring. I have a 3d printer so I might just try designing something myself.

>>65034149
just make it completly hollow and use the force of the firing pin hitting it to launch your projectile.you can launch pencils into the ceiling with a normal gun.

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>>65034220
I like this idea, but I'm a little worried about it not absorbing enough of the force to do it's job as a dummy round/snap cap on a revolver. Was originally figuring there would be some seer inside that a nubbin would get smacked into to bend the seer otu of the way and release the spring. Just using the existing energy from the hammer spring probably makes more sense becuase it's probably stronger spring then what would be in the round anyways....

Here is what I came up with using your idea. The orange piece is shown upside down, the nubbin on the top would go through the bottom cutout and be where the primer would be. Not shown here is some extra material I will add inside the case to act as a retension for the orange dumbell shaped object (it's that shape so I can make it retained, and I will have it print in place inside of the casing.

It will have just enough movement to transfer the energy to the wedged in projectile.

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A "dry fire" system that uses a primer per shot has always been a dream solution. I've only been reloading since 2012, but small pistol primers have always been about the same price as .22LR/round, and even in North Dakota, the winters aren't harsh enough for me to spend time reloading wax bullets on centerfire brass just to simulate shooting indoors.

>>65033527
You can use beeswax/paraffin blender to make wax bullets to shoot with just a primer. My dad used to do that with his .357 so we could shoot indoors when I was little. Make a layer of wax about 1/2 in deep in a tin, then push primed casings into it, the brass will cut a little slug. Accurate enough to have fun across the basement.

>>65033605
You can buy wax projectiles for cowboy action shooting and do this

>>65033627
>>65033635
>>65033640
>pump up your Brocock so it can blast
Gee I wonder why this didn't sell.

>>65033627
>Brocock

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>>65034631
>>65035042
>doesn't stroke his brocock for big powerful loads

>>65034631
They were incredibly popular and sold quite well.
Government regulations because too many were being converted to real firearms.

>>65034631
Brocock is a known brand of air pellet guns in Europe, they still make stuff. It IS a funny name though.

>>65035143
Brocock's system was for converting real firearms to, at the time, airguns which were compliant with British law. I haven't looked into it deeply, but were there any notable cases of anyone converting one back?
Best I know, the British government did what it usually does and said "That's scary." and "That's too much fun." and banned it.

>>65036835
https://worap.wordpress.com/2017/07/01/the-rise-and-sudden-fall-of-the-self-contained-air-cartridge-system/

>>65036959
The moral panic about those things is absolutely insane. From a practical perspective Brocock guns are pretty great all-around. They have the look and feel of real guns even down to loading cartridges in the gun. They weren't very powerful so safety concerns were pretty minimal.

The claim was that they could be readily converted to firing real ammunition, but I wonder about that. It does make sense at first glance: the guns themselves were built like real guns, they were high quality blued steel construction, not potmetal rubbish. They worked with firing pins like a real gun did, so conceivably one could drill out the barrel and then you'd have a shitty smoothbore pistol. However if you actually read about it there don't seem to be many cases were people actually did that.

>>65037328
What I heard was cartridge adapters.
Machine them to the exact outside of the pressure cartridge but chambered in .22 with a firing pin. Exactly how the brits used to make training cartridges.
This way it's still just an air pistol and they aren't likely to check for powder residue.

>>65033527
So like a cartridge loaded only with a primer and a plastic or wax bullet?
>>65033534
Shut the FUCK UP, faggot.
fpwp

>>65037595
That is possible but I don't think it would be very likely. Brocock pistols were .177 and .22, and there aren't any common centerfire cartridges of those calibers which could be used in those conversions. You'd either be using obscure cartridges or cooking up a custom wildcat. Someone willing to go to those lengths could just as easily convert an antique, blank-firing replica, etc.
Were there cases of people making the adapters you mention or is this just more mythology?

>>65037618
The adapters have their own firing pin. It's a common way to shoot .22 out of different firearms.
At the time no license was needed for .22 ammo purchases if done for a "shooting gallery".

>>65037647
That's quite a complex adapter. Possible, but not something I'd expect would be a problem with your average street thug.
Again, were there documented cases of people getting shot with these kinds of conversions?

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>>65037680
It's not complex at all. They were usually just made out of a scrap .22 barrel and a bit of lathe work. Like almost every gun street thugs were not the ones making them.
I remember a few shootings done with them in the early 90's. Cheap euro guns took over after the whole Bosnia thing.

>>65033527
a temu version would be sufficient for your 'entertainment'

@grok what are "hot glue bullets"

>>65034631
>he doesn't enjoy his brocock with his buddies

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>>65033527
Like it shoots the little plastic plug out? They make those, used them a whole lot in the army. The ones I used were made by a company called UTM. They used a .22 cal blank fitted in a two part case. The blank firing would expand the two parts like a piston to work the action while a bead flew forward and sent the projectile in the tip down the barrel while sealing the piston to prevent gas leak. Super reliable and super clean since all the burnt powder was trapped in the case. Other FX ammo was super fucking dirty since it was just a low power blank that dumped shit all over your gun.

All you need is a conversion kit (bolt for rifles, barrel and slide for pistols) and it works. It's also quieter than blanks since, again, all the gas is trapped in the piston. Downside is they're pretty expensive if you aren't buying thousands of them in a government contract. Really fun airsoft replacement using your real gun if you have a friend in the sheriffs office who can finagle the sale.

They started to sell some of them to civilians now, if you have the cash. https://www.killoughshootingsports.com/utm-m701

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>>65078977
Here's a picture of an unfired and fired 5.56 to give a better idea of the whole two-piece case piston thing.

>>65078977
Airsoft with real guns is a disaster waiting to happen