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>Finland signed a deal worth 940 billion won ($635 million) to purchase additional K9 self-propelled howitzers from Korea, placing a follow-up order after operating the system for several years.
>The latest deal follows Finland’s initial introduction of the K9 in 2017, when it agreed to acquire 96 howitzers under a separate government-to-government contract. The system has since been deployed in active service, forming part of Finland’s artillery capabilities.
>Officials said the new order reflects the Finnish military’s assessment following years of field use, making it a repeat purchase based on operational experience rather than a first-time acquisition.

Spain and now Finland. K9 bros literally just can't stop winning
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>accurate
>good range
>not American
Based
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>>65061825
>Spain and now Finland.
Estonia also adapted them
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>>65061832
seething brown turdie hands typed this
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>>65061873
>If you don't like to buy MIGI stuff right now you are brown!
Holy cope
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>>65061882
MIGA* I mean ofcourse
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>>65061882
Ayatollah status?
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>>65061889
If you think we care about your failed Israeli war and dead sandpeople you are mistaken. It's just not our war and we won't die for Israel ever again. Sorry okay? kek
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Yeah, he's mad.
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>>65061825
why do europoors buy hardware but not use it? russia is right there and it barely has an army atm
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>>65061873
>buy american stuff
>americans elect a retarded senile manbaby pedo jewlover
>he throws a pissfit that you're using the stuff you paid for to protect yourself against his favourite dictator and/or Israeli interests
>cut off from spare parts and munitions
>there is a chance of this occurring every four years
yeah idk man
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>>65061988
Ironic considering that Drumpf wanted Europe to pull their own.
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>>65061825
It's not enough.
Finland needs to replace what remains of its aged Soviet artillery.
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>>65061825

Knowing that Finns do amazing trick shots with these I fully understand why they want more.
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The Finnish Khanate fears the Hwan Empire so much they are resorting to second hand fakes of Imperial weapons? The pyramid must have hit them harder than we thought.
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>used goods
>half a billie

lmao
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>>65061966

I wouldn't worry abou it.
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>>65061995
He actually thought Europe would buy American systems.
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>>65062075
>refuse to defend yourself because orange man said to
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>>65062075
Like M109's straight outta Summer of Love in 1967?
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>>65061966
why would euros dirty their hands when their golem ukraine can do the dirty work of dying to russian bullets for them?
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>>65062173
>refuse to defend yourself
they aren't refusing to do so, just not necessarily buying from the US MIC
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>>65062357
if that were true, they would have had a lot more to show for the last ten years
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western deindustrializing
Works up until a war happens...
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>>65061825
I'm also ordering one cause I don't like that town not so far from mine.
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>>65061825
>Spain
Wat
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>>65061995
Fundamentally, what the US would like is for Europe to function like Saudi Arabia - a buyer of arms, allied with Israel who's careful to make sure that its armed forces are incompetent.
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>>65061825
>People buy Chink military hardware to avoid buying from America
>It proves to be useless
>People buy Russian military hardware to avoid buying from America
>It proves to be useless
>People buy French military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Still useless
>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Also useless
>People buy Korean military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Hasn't been properly tested in combat yet
How do you really think this is going to end? The only military on the planet is the American one. The rest of them were never even players.
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>>65062432
>People buy French military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Still useless
>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Also useless
>People buy Korean military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Hasn't been properly tested in combat yet
>and yet, all of the above is plenty capable of turning russians into fertilizer, as events from 2022-2026 have shown
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>>65062442
You're missing the underlying point that the entire purpose of buying Korean, Chinese, Russian, French or Swedish is to avoid buying from America. Ultimately, the only reason to not buy American is if you plan to face off against America or pursue your own interests over the interests of the collective West, which means if your platform is not capable of facing American hardware, it is useless, as the USAF or USN can just come around and pound your ass into dust.

That's the fundamental issue with all of this, its not bought to fight the Russians, its bought to try and buck American imperial hegemony and its not up to the task. There's no situation where the Finns end up fighting Russia, Russia is about to die fighting Ukraine all by itself.
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>>65062463
? America does not have a modern SPG and has no extra production to sell to anyone anyways
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>>65062432
>>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>>Also useless

Mk 110 57 mm cannon, AT-4, Excalibur guided 155 mm and ground launched SDB are swedish products. Of these, the AT-4 is the only one that isnt crap.
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>>65062463
>is to avoid buying from America.
Normally, such military procurement contracts are financed by a gaggle of additional business exchanges, so buying American would deepen your economic entanglements with somebody who's not a reliable business partner for the the next decade or so.

Never mind that they won't even deliver on time.
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>>65062546
>Do business with Not-America
>100% of 0% effective platforms delivered
>Rise in combat capacity 0%

>Do business with America
>25% of 100% effective platforms delivered
>Rise in combat capacity 25%

The math still works out in America's favor. A few burnished platforms that work are better than a million platforms that are just rolling or flying deathtraps. Every war in contemporary history has proven that over and over again.
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>>65062567
>100% of 0% effective platforms delivered
They aren't ordering artillery shells from the Norks here.
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>>65062652
>The Norks
>Conveniently forgets that French Rafales have been shot down in war against the Pakistanis lately, as well as Chinkoid AAA failing to work in Venezuela and Iran

Anon, the issue is all of Not-America being incompetent at war because all the relevant nations in Not-America have been either avoiding war like the plague for the last 80 years or actively suppressing any talent or wherewithal in their own nations because they might become a threat to the Supreme Leader.
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The burgers are out coping in force today. Most of what they named is standard nato equpment based/caliber. US uses the same stuff... a good portion off it is that way because the burgers wanted it too.
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The only murican weapon that they sell abroad and that doesnt have an alternative available that I can think of is the F-35. And even it is an international project.
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lot of OBSESSED in this thread, obviously money is tight in europe and they're jealous that our oldest weapons basically make their newest ones look like a 15th century trebuchet
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>>65062517
AT-4 and the Carl Gustaf 8.4 cm recoilless rifle
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>>65062463

>There's no situation where the Finns end up fighting Russia, Russia is about to die fighting Ukraine all by itself.

That's naive, nobody knows how much worse the world has become in 5 years from now on
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>>65061988
>Complains about something that has not happened
?
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>>65062723
>>65062760
You see these bots randomly bumping the thread. Seen more and more posts like this (not directed at anyone, random inflammatory statements) since the Ukraine war started.
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>>65062671
>>65062652
>Norks
If they bought from the Norks they would already have their weapons and better stuff than their old cold war shit.

>They aren't ordering artillery shells

That is exactly what they are doing. Think about it: If you were in charge of Finland what sends a better message to Moscow; buying a few hundred K9s or the same number of Koksans at half the price and +50% the range?

There would also be a major victory in terms of the 'WTF' factor of who Finland just bought weapons from and the political humilitation Russia would experiance when they realized they were so dependant on the DPRK that they couldn't do a damn thing about it.
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Lay off the crack retardo. What new production weapon systems has NK delivered to anyone in triple digit numbers to anyone?
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>>65063387
artillery to Russia

besides,
>triple digit numbers
it doesn't matter if they deliver even just a dozen MANPADs, it's bad enough
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>>65062671
NTA, but jeets handling any weapon system is going to result in catastrophic failure. Look at their crash rates: it's not the weapons, it's the user in their case.
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>>65061825
What are the implications if Korea freezes parts/support for these weapons if the Finno-Korean Hyperwar kicks off again?
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>>65063565
Hasn't Australia weaseled their way into supply chain/manufacturing support? They did the same with the Boxer APC production for Germany.
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>>65063387
>What new production weapon systems has NK delivered to anyone in triple digit numbers to anyone?

Koksans, KN-23s, half of Russia ballistic missiles, heavy MLRS, most of their ammo and the only troops that have that are worth anything. Also tactical guided missile systems like Bulsae which Russia has no equavalent of. The DPRK is doing the heavy lifting for Russia, Russia will collapse without the DPRK and both Kim and Putin know it.
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>>65062463
America is no longer a part of the collective west, it is its own thing now
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You want to know how fucked Russia is?

>A former super power of 145 milliom relys on a nation of 26 million for half it's ammo
>The DPRK can make new tanks while Russia cannot
>The DPRK can make new advanced naval vessels while Russia cannot
>Russia's navy is disintigrating, the DPRK is building a Pacific Blue water fleet

Russia is a fucking joke.
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>>65063607
I resent that implication, we haven't "weaseled" our way into anything
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>>65063753
why'd you even bother replying to a nigger who thinks domestic production is "weaselling", mate
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>>65063747
>>The DPRK can make new tanks while Russia cannot
There is *literally* no proof of this.
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>>65063788
Yesh they can, it is sort of a meme at this point.
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>>65063788
35 years and Russia could not make a new tank hull but she is.*

*Theoreticaly it is a T-62 variant which brings up even more questions about Russian incompetence
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>>65062463
>There's no situation where the Finns end up fighting Russia
motherfucker, unless ukraine wipes it completely of the map and annexes its cores, Muscovia entire history consists of constantly chimping out at everybody and everything surrounding them. Like a malicious cancer, or feral pack of niggers, trying to turn everything into the same shit as they are. Pic related is what it originally started out as

even when they fail in ukraine they will try and attack the baltic states next as revenge chimp out. If they succeed they will be bombing poland and finland from the occupied lands next. The wars wills never stop as long as monke breaths and it completely depends who the next czar will be if there will even be a pause after that turd
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>>65063826
>>65063846
I mean the part about russia can't make new tank. Its Kinda hard to believe. I mean how hard can it be to make new tank hull? Especially for a nation that is known for its land force.
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>>65063747
you know what else is fucked? (you) drinking piss and posting your fridge piss collection online
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>>65063872
>annexes its cores
go back, throwkoen1

>>65063882
depending how different you regard a Challenger 3 and Leopard 2A7 compared to the originals, nobody in the West has made a new tank in quite some time
and no,
>how hard can it be to make new tank hull?
they do, they have a T-90 factory but new production is reportedly quite small, supposedly about 1 a month pre-war

it's also thought that they might have the ability to make T-80 hulls, but it's hard to assess because they talk a lot of shit and then go do something else. in this case, the T-80 chassis makes up a lot of their artillery and support vehicles so it actually has a wider user base (so to speak) than the pre-war* T-80 tank numbers suggest but all we've seen so far is refurbs

*four years on, T-80s are just about extinct now
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>>65063887
Sorry that whatever buthurt shill collective you work for didn't inform you but my only loves are Trump, the USA, the DPRK and Juche. Anything that does not advance a US/DPRK alliance i just ignore. I am invincible and i am always right in some weird way.

Fuck off.
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>>65063906
You idiots don't even see what is happening.

Two dead Iraninan leaders and no KNCA announcment? No official statment from the DPRK? Not even a flower basket? Trump praises Kim for his restraint and mentions that he is a friend?

It has already happened, the USA and DPRK are de facto allies. All that is left is we pay him more than Putin.
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>>65061901
>dead sandpeople
>we won't die
Uh... Your people are dying right now, towelhead.
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>>65063906
>>65063923
Calm down man, I know you're pretending to be retarded here but you NEVER go full retard.
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>>65063152
Im the other one. Just dont want to give (you)s to spammers. And theres nothing imflammatory there. If you are an American and feel insulted perhaps you should take a look at the mirror. American MIC is losing its slice of the pie and customers because America and its products are trusted less now than 5 years ago.
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>>65063446
Pakis are the same jeets.
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Btw, fuck you all, let's talk about that nice SPG. Tell me why it's better than Pzh2k or the newest m109. Or those Czech ones.
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>>65064064
sometimes it's just a matter of having manufacturing capacity while being Good Enough(tm) for most applications
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>>65062008
Fun-fact: "Moukari" translates as "sledgehammer", though the word "leka" is more commonly used. It's more often used to refer to the sports implement used in hammer throwing.
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>>65064064
It's not better, PzH2k has a better MRSI burst fire capability IIRC. But it's also more expensive.
M109 is obsolete, really.

The Zuzana is wheeled, so I guess it's not really the same type of vehicle.
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>>65064047
When it comes to the USA/DPRK alliance i'm full retard all of the time. I even have a few DPRK/USA friendship coat pins.

I'm not LARPing, i honestly think it is the best long term alliance for world peace.
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>>65062463
>Ultimately, the only reason to not buy American is if you plan to face off against America or pursue your own interests over the interests of the collective West,

No, it's to hedge supplier risk. Americans have demonstrated with this admin that you're completely capable of going full retard. Hedging away from USA reduces risk that 4 years later after the deal is done, some other narcissistic crackpot leading the USA decides that you know what, you won't have your howitzers because it hurts Russkie feefees and Putin's a good guy actually.
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>>65064186
Not /biz/ and not investment advice nor is it one of my portfolios but i suggest buying as much LAC and DNN as you can with every spare penny you have. This screen shot is not mine nor is it investmet advice.
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>>65064186
>hedge supplier risk
>buys exclusively from Airbus
lol
lmao
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>>65064209
LAC will become one of the biggest top 100 companies on earth mining lithium in about 18 months once the Thancker Pass mine gets working, GM and the US government are already invested.

One of the things that are great about these companies is that they can's fail and i don't give a fuck bacause i don't pay taxes. DNN mines Uranium and Vandium btw, vandium is really important for /k/ related reasons..
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>>65061825
wondering how long it will take to refurbish all of them, because they are buying decomissioned ones and not ordering newly built ones. I guess delivery is super fast then, but they are also integrating their own command suite into them
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>>65064064
Depends on what you need and are willing to pay (directly and through logistics/support)
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>>65064019
>You are a towelhead if you dont like to die for jewish wars!
Holy Goyim
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And they are destroyed by one 200€ drone.. Meanwhile our elders stew in shitty diapers while Mahmud who was imported to take care of them drives around on a BMW.
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>>65064064
>Tell me why it's better than Pzh2k
Cheaper, more mobile and faster to pack up and fuck off from firing position after fire mission.
>or the newest m109.
Seriously?
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>>65064566
I am from belgium oblast and am very dimoralised, any day now we will be forced to measure the eggs and accept russian stewardship of the west
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>>65061832
>>65061873
1. US is an unreliable partner, you don't need to be a turdworlder to acknowledge that
2. US fucked up all of its modern artillery plans since like the 90s, so it doesn't have modern arty at all.
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>>65061889
Got younger
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>>65062173
ironically how you have to get a picture of a mutt faggot and put a European flag on him, similar to how russians paint their own as ukrainian
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>>65063151
It has happened multiple times already, retard
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>>65062432
Don't know, seems to me ukies successfully use French, Swedish and even Soviet weapons with great results.
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>>65064064
>Tell me why it's better than Pzh2k
Gooks can actually deliver the stuff in this century

>or the newest m109
"the newest bullshit from the 60s"
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>>65064987
alright, fixed to suit your autism
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>>65065038
But the image is still false. It should be US trying to pull in Europe into the war for Israel.
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>>65064566
those elders spent their life voting for that
and clutch their money until their dying breath
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>>65065051
>t. Iranian bot
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>>65065061
You will deny reality, my brown friend?
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>>65062546
Good Lord that is the worst tie I have ever seen.

I love it.
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does the US make new m109's?
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>>65065087
define "new"
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>>65061873
Daily reminder that both israel and the us are brown, shit-skin majority countries.
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>>65065067
>>65065133
ACKmad, stop embarassing yourself, you're losing your ugly rat face.
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>>65064064
best Howitzer in the world is RCH-155, only one in the world that can shoot while moving and only needs half the crew of K9, PzH2000 etc.
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New K9MH rapid fire demo released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGF-fVgtWY
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>>65065133
Top left would make a cute girl though, just cut her pp off, give her some nice tasteful C cup silicone, and feed her a constant supply of oversize estrogen pills designed for horses for 4-5 years and you'd have a voluptuous war bride you could use for barter or pleasure
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>>65067264
>shoot while moving
Completely useless bogus feature that can't utilize maximum ranges. Maybe the krauts are so proud of it because they can show it off to plebs in special events.
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>>65062777
I've seen this picture posted so often, I can't help wondering if it's not the reverse.
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>>65067732
if yuropoors spent half the time they spent seething about the burgers on seething about the rapefugees...
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>>65063753
>t. Australian Head of Public Relation
>>65067264
Correct opinion but retarded take
>>65067726
Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed. Shooting while scooting is the definitive move foreward and the best way to make every shell count
>>65067702
I don't like truck mounted systems. Assuming that you have access to serviceable roads is a terrible strategy
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>>65067834
>Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed.
Yeah, but the thing is, you can't fire on the move with the full propellant charge, which compromises the effectiveness of the system. Basically, it's the same kind of gimmick they have already shown in Pzh2000 previously.
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>>65067834
Considering the Ukies decided to make the 2S22 Bohdana a wheeled vehicle, I'm assuming that the danger of bogging isn't excessively high with such a large-calibur gun. Granted, could be monetary restraints too.
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>>65068238
>Yeah, but the thing is, you can't fire on the move with the full propellant charge, which compromises the effectiveness of the system. Basically, it's the same kind of gimmick they have already shown in Pzh2000 previously.
Source?
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>ITT
I'd just like to inject that several mutts, CIA handlers and unironic larping browns repeatedly beat their own chests that the US does not need NATO and should return to isolation. Going by that logic buying American hardware is not even just playing into their economics, it's downright a gamble that you even get anything for your money in the first place.

Again, I call for total European re-armament.
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>>65070315
wheeled is cheaper all around and the Ukes are pressed for cash, this may lead them to make design compromises that other countries might not want to
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>>65067834
>Assuming that you have access to serviceable roads is a terrible strategy
If your logistics can't go there, there's not much use for vehicular artillery either. A basic dirt road infrastructure with temporary routes through the woods is well within the capabilities of the off-road trucks used for artillery vehicles.
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>>65067834
>Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed. Shooting while scooting is the definitive move foreward and the best way to make every shell count
Stopping for less than a minute to let some shots off makes zero difference for survivability and is well worth the reduced cost and complexity.
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>>65071474
Your logistics don't need to go to the firing positions of you sph, they can stay in the protected rear and let the sph come to them.
Also, these dumpers are massive and have enormous wheels (should be about 160cm to 180cm / 5ft4in to 5ft11in in diameter). That's way largen than even "offroad" trucks like the one the K9MH is mounted on.
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>>65061873
jew worshipping subhuman
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>>65063151
give it back, thief.
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>>65061988
Americans also did this without Trump and Euros do this too. Euros are just being forced to learn thanks to Trumptardation how the world is outside of the Western(tm) bubble. There is no alternative to producing your own weapons if you want to be a “real” country (bar some meme countries that can set up crazy leverages but actually you need both even).
t.urk who remembers how germs tried to ban selling us leopard parts or how canucks banned selling us their FLIR because we droned the wrong syrians, only to now come running back for muh cooperation after we made our own FLIRs and it turned out the wrong syrians became the right syrians and started shaking hands, and many such epic stories of retardation
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>>65067754
>map includes different definitions of rape, and only includes reported cases
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>>65073397
>Tomahawks
Would be kinda funny tho
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>>65073501
All this map tells me is if I meet a girl at a bar and we fuck and later she regrets it because I'm not chad, it's riskier to do that in michigan or arkansas than in california or wyoming because california girls will just shrug and move on but arkasas girls will be like "reeeee it was weinstein and cosby all over again raaaape"
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Russia uses drones well. Thats all I know

الله أكبر
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Fascist countries are great. But what else do you need to know
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Fascist countries can lead great thats why.
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"fake cock" is better than the word "rape"

*
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>>65062432
Korean air defenses are working fine for UAE against Iran
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>>65073853
>>65073845
>>65073839
>>65073823
Wtf kinda Temu-tier shitbot is this?
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>>65063073

Finns play the long game. US presidents come and go, Finnish military storage caves in the bedrock are eternal. Just the way they circumvented the artillery limitations from Paris peace accords show they know how to prepare.
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>>65070315
>Considering the Ukies decided to make the 2S22 Bohdana a wheeled vehicle
the reason is manufacturing capacity and money
they can buy truck chassis in Europe more or less off the shelf and bolt the gun platform on it
if they wanted a tracked chassis, they'd have to either make them or get something existing (e.g. stocks of broken tanks) and rebuilt it, either way bottlenecking production and taking more money
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>>65073397
>sign contract saying Y may happen if X happens
>X happens
>surprised Y happened
you and whoever made the article are retarded
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>>65073539
Also rape in underreported in the EU because they dont want to send the message that mass migration was a mistake
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>>65074937
so true sister
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>>65061873
maybe threatening invasion, siding with the enemy and szarting rezarded wars that ruin entire eceonomies some mkre will make that turdie eurocunt respect you, yes?
death to israel and death to the idf and its ghoulish backers in america
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>>65074937
nope, rape is more thoroughly reported in western europe with eastern europe still suffering the "based and trad" way where they make their women shut up about beinf raped and laugh/dismiss them out of police stations
subhumans like you believe nothing and stand for nothing
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>>65062432
>>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>>Also useless
America buys Swedish equipment though
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>>65074843
burgers are so shameless but I guess that's a prerequisite for their low self-esteem and self-humiliating worship of Jews.
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>>65075419
Counter point: You're brown.

Also, sign better contracts.
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>>65061825
I hope Finland follows Poland's gun lust and stays armed to the teeth
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>>65075419
I don't know why you posted that image, its the exact same situation as the swiss
these nations signed the contracts knowing the terms that the US may divert orders for US needs, you're retarded
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>>65075486
>if you deliver late and provide shit customer service even when it's legal this won't effect future purchasing decisions
as OP's deal shows the US isn't the only seller on the western market anymore and the others do deliver on time and don't provide shit customer service.
more broadly this comes down to the US not assuming good faith in contract law but needing it to be explicitly included. the global norm is that if you are going to take an action of your own volition and that action will effect your contracting party you should try to avoid said action or minimise the effects there of in relation to your contracting party.
the US just says to hell with it. that is in turn one of the reasons why the US is losing global market share for military products.
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>>65076470
>the global norm is that if you are going to take an action of your own volition and that action will effect your contracting party you should try to avoid said action or minimise the effects there of in relation to your contracting party
no its not, most arms manufacturers include these diversion-to-others clauses
it happened to russia when they failed in ukraine, and it happened when the US diverted orders for ukrainian aid packages
you're retarded
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>>65077130
and if you exercise that clause.. then keep their money..
guess what, you lost a fucking customer, especially when you were the more expensive option in the first place
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Holy shit this thread is either bots or browns screaming at and baiting one another. What a disgrace this place turned into.
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>>65077207
the order is still there and the customer signed knowing the terms of the contract
again, you're retarded
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>>65061825

>current year
>investing in anything artillery or tank

i guess you need to dump all the stock somewhere
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>>65077238
party A and B sign a contract
in that contract party A whom is the privileged party inserts a clause allowing it to delay delivery if A's own stockpile gets to low.
party A then goes and sells form it's own stock pile to other parties C D ect.
having done so it then turns to B and says it will have to delay delivery.
party A has acted in bad faith in that it chose to take action it knew would allow it to invoke the clause and then chose to invoke it. A acted with the intention of screwing B over
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>>65063747
why is it okay to buy stuff from israel and alike, but not okay from north korea?
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>>65077294
>its bad faith to enact a clause in a contract that says if X then Y, that both parties knew about and agreed to
you're retarded
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holy shit eglin working overtime here
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>>65077380
>I sell you my home, we agree that in the case my new home burns down I get to stay in my home until my new home is rebuild
>I go and burn down my home for the insurance and take my old home back from you
>this is all okay because the contract didn't explicitly ban me from burning my new home down
parties agree to if X then Y
parties don't agree to I'll deliberately cause X so I can Y
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>>65077294
so patriot stockpiles are actually low?
those iranian drones & rockets did a number on you. good thing it wasn't china, those guys would've absolutely raped you off the planet.
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>>65077835
>so patriot stockpiles are actually low?
That's russopho... I mean that's americaphobic propaganda
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>>65075232
TDS claims another thirdie
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>>65077835
>so patriot stockpiles are actually low?
No one actually knows outside of a select few people. But it's being surmised through publicly acknowledged rate of production and domestic procurement that anytime a significant number of patriot missiles are fired you have to start eating into older stockpiles instead of using new production. Between Ukraine and the Iran stuff, new production Patriots are basically empty and now the US is forced to use stockpiles of older stock.
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>>65061825
Is there a JAGD version? Haha.
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>>65063565
I came here looking for this post. thank you for making it. my morale is lifted.
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>>65075427
>we jewed you
>now "buy" more american hardware
Fellas, is the American MIC just another rugpull?
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>>65061825
artillery vs drones
who wins?
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>>65073378
>Also, these dumpers are massive and have enormous wheels
The Swedish Archer artillery system is built on the Volvo A30 chassis.

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