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Finland orders 112 more K9 howitzers in $635 mil. follow-up deal 04/09/26(Thu)13:34:38 No.65061825
Finland orders 112 more K9 howitzers in $635 mil. follow-up deal 04/09/26(Thu)13:34:38 No.65061825
Finland orders 112 more K9 howitzers in $635 mil. follow-up deal Anonymous 04/09/26(Thu)13:34:38 No.65061825 [Reply]▶
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>Finland signed a deal worth 940 billion won ($635 million) to purchase additional K9 self-propelled howitzers from Korea, placing a follow-up order after operating the system for several years.
>The latest deal follows Finland’s initial introduction of the K9 in 2017, when it agreed to acquire 96 howitzers under a separate government-to-government contract. The system has since been deployed in active service, forming part of Finland’s artillery capabilities.
>Officials said the new order reflects the Finnish military’s assessment following years of field use, making it a repeat purchase based on operational experience rather than a first-time acquisition.
Spain and now Finland. K9 bros literally just can't stop winning
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Yeah, he's mad.
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>>65061873
>buy american stuff
>americans elect a retarded senile manbaby pedo jewlover
>he throws a pissfit that you're using the stuff you paid for to protect yourself against his favourite dictator and/or Israeli interests
>cut off from spare parts and munitions
>there is a chance of this occurring every four years
yeah idk man
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>>65061825
Knowing that Finns do amazing trick shots with these I fully understand why they want more.
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>>65061966
I wouldn't worry abou it.
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>>65062075
>refuse to defend yourself because orange man said to
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>>65061995
Fundamentally, what the US would like is for Europe to function like Saudi Arabia - a buyer of arms, allied with Israel who's careful to make sure that its armed forces are incompetent.
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>>65061825
>People buy Chink military hardware to avoid buying from America
>It proves to be useless
>People buy Russian military hardware to avoid buying from America
>It proves to be useless
>People buy French military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Still useless
>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Also useless
>People buy Korean military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Hasn't been properly tested in combat yet
How do you really think this is going to end? The only military on the planet is the American one. The rest of them were never even players.
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>>65062432
>People buy French military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Still useless
>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Also useless
>People buy Korean military hardware to avoid buying from America
>Hasn't been properly tested in combat yet
>and yet, all of the above is plenty capable of turning russians into fertilizer, as events from 2022-2026 have shown
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>>65062442
You're missing the underlying point that the entire purpose of buying Korean, Chinese, Russian, French or Swedish is to avoid buying from America. Ultimately, the only reason to not buy American is if you plan to face off against America or pursue your own interests over the interests of the collective West, which means if your platform is not capable of facing American hardware, it is useless, as the USAF or USN can just come around and pound your ass into dust.
That's the fundamental issue with all of this, its not bought to fight the Russians, its bought to try and buck American imperial hegemony and its not up to the task. There's no situation where the Finns end up fighting Russia, Russia is about to die fighting Ukraine all by itself.
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>>65062432
>>People buy Swedish military hardware to avoid buying from America
>>Also useless
Mk 110 57 mm cannon, AT-4, Excalibur guided 155 mm and ground launched SDB are swedish products. Of these, the AT-4 is the only one that isnt crap.
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>>65062463
>is to avoid buying from America.
Normally, such military procurement contracts are financed by a gaggle of additional business exchanges, so buying American would deepen your economic entanglements with somebody who's not a reliable business partner for the the next decade or so.
Never mind that they won't even deliver on time.
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>>65062546
>Do business with Not-America
>100% of 0% effective platforms delivered
>Rise in combat capacity 0%
>Do business with America
>25% of 100% effective platforms delivered
>Rise in combat capacity 25%
The math still works out in America's favor. A few burnished platforms that work are better than a million platforms that are just rolling or flying deathtraps. Every war in contemporary history has proven that over and over again.
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>>65062652
>The Norks
>Conveniently forgets that French Rafales have been shot down in war against the Pakistanis lately, as well as Chinkoid AAA failing to work in Venezuela and Iran
Anon, the issue is all of Not-America being incompetent at war because all the relevant nations in Not-America have been either avoiding war like the plague for the last 80 years or actively suppressing any talent or wherewithal in their own nations because they might become a threat to the Supreme Leader.
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lot of OBSESSED in this thread, obviously money is tight in europe and they're jealous that our oldest weapons basically make their newest ones look like a 15th century trebuchet
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>>65062760
You see these bots randomly bumping the thread. Seen more and more posts like this (not directed at anyone, random inflammatory statements) since the Ukraine war started.
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>>65062652
>Norks
If they bought from the Norks they would already have their weapons and better stuff than their old cold war shit.
>They aren't ordering artillery shells
That is exactly what they are doing. Think about it: If you were in charge of Finland what sends a better message to Moscow; buying a few hundred K9s or the same number of Koksans at half the price and +50% the range?
There would also be a major victory in terms of the 'WTF' factor of who Finland just bought weapons from and the political humilitation Russia would experiance when they realized they were so dependant on the DPRK that they couldn't do a damn thing about it.
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>>65063387
>What new production weapon systems has NK delivered to anyone in triple digit numbers to anyone?
Koksans, KN-23s, half of Russia ballistic missiles, heavy MLRS, most of their ammo and the only troops that have that are worth anything. Also tactical guided missile systems like Bulsae which Russia has no equavalent of. The DPRK is doing the heavy lifting for Russia, Russia will collapse without the DPRK and both Kim and Putin know it.
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You want to know how fucked Russia is?
>A former super power of 145 milliom relys on a nation of 26 million for half it's ammo
>The DPRK can make new tanks while Russia cannot
>The DPRK can make new advanced naval vessels while Russia cannot
>Russia's navy is disintigrating, the DPRK is building a Pacific Blue water fleet
Russia is a fucking joke.
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>>65063788
Yesh they can, it is sort of a meme at this point.
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>>65063788
35 years and Russia could not make a new tank hull but she is.*
*Theoreticaly it is a T-62 variant which brings up even more questions about Russian incompetence
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>>65062463
>There's no situation where the Finns end up fighting Russia
motherfucker, unless ukraine wipes it completely of the map and annexes its cores, Muscovia entire history consists of constantly chimping out at everybody and everything surrounding them. Like a malicious cancer, or feral pack of niggers, trying to turn everything into the same shit as they are. Pic related is what it originally started out as
even when they fail in ukraine they will try and attack the baltic states next as revenge chimp out. If they succeed they will be bombing poland and finland from the occupied lands next. The wars wills never stop as long as monke breaths and it completely depends who the next czar will be if there will even be a pause after that turd
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>>65063846
I mean the part about russia can't make new tank. Its Kinda hard to believe. I mean how hard can it be to make new tank hull? Especially for a nation that is known for its land force.
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>>65063872
>annexes its cores
go back, throwkoen1
>>65063882
depending how different you regard a Challenger 3 and Leopard 2A7 compared to the originals, nobody in the West has made a new tank in quite some time
and no,
>how hard can it be to make new tank hull?
they do, they have a T-90 factory but new production is reportedly quite small, supposedly about 1 a month pre-war
it's also thought that they might have the ability to make T-80 hulls, but it's hard to assess because they talk a lot of shit and then go do something else. in this case, the T-80 chassis makes up a lot of their artillery and support vehicles so it actually has a wider user base (so to speak) than the pre-war* T-80 tank numbers suggest but all we've seen so far is refurbs
*four years on, T-80s are just about extinct now
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>>65063887
Sorry that whatever buthurt shill collective you work for didn't inform you but my only loves are Trump, the USA, the DPRK and Juche. Anything that does not advance a US/DPRK alliance i just ignore. I am invincible and i am always right in some weird way.
Fuck off.
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>>65063906
You idiots don't even see what is happening.
Two dead Iraninan leaders and no KNCA announcment? No official statment from the DPRK? Not even a flower basket? Trump praises Kim for his restraint and mentions that he is a friend?
It has already happened, the USA and DPRK are de facto allies. All that is left is we pay him more than Putin.
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>>65063923
Calm down man, I know you're pretending to be retarded here but you NEVER go full retard.
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>>65063152
Im the other one. Just dont want to give (you)s to spammers. And theres nothing imflammatory there. If you are an American and feel insulted perhaps you should take a look at the mirror. American MIC is losing its slice of the pie and customers because America and its products are trusted less now than 5 years ago.
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>>65064064
sometimes it's just a matter of having manufacturing capacity while being Good Enough(tm) for most applications
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>>65064047
When it comes to the USA/DPRK alliance i'm full retard all of the time. I even have a few DPRK/USA friendship coat pins.
I'm not LARPing, i honestly think it is the best long term alliance for world peace.
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>>65062463
>Ultimately, the only reason to not buy American is if you plan to face off against America or pursue your own interests over the interests of the collective West,
No, it's to hedge supplier risk. Americans have demonstrated with this admin that you're completely capable of going full retard. Hedging away from USA reduces risk that 4 years later after the deal is done, some other narcissistic crackpot leading the USA decides that you know what, you won't have your howitzers because it hurts Russkie feefees and Putin's a good guy actually.
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>>65064186
Not /biz/ and not investment advice nor is it one of my portfolios but i suggest buying as much LAC and DNN as you can with every spare penny you have. This screen shot is not mine nor is it investmet advice.
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>>65064209
LAC will become one of the biggest top 100 companies on earth mining lithium in about 18 months once the Thancker Pass mine gets working, GM and the US government are already invested.
One of the things that are great about these companies is that they can's fail and i don't give a fuck bacause i don't pay taxes. DNN mines Uranium and Vandium btw, vandium is really important for /k/ related reasons..
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>>65061825
wondering how long it will take to refurbish all of them, because they are buying decomissioned ones and not ordering newly built ones. I guess delivery is super fast then, but they are also integrating their own command suite into them
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>>65061873
1. US is an unreliable partner, you don't need to be a turdworlder to acknowledge that
2. US fucked up all of its modern artillery plans since like the 90s, so it doesn't have modern arty at all.
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>>65064987
alright, fixed to suit your autism
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>>65061873
Daily reminder that both israel and the us are brown, shit-skin majority countries.
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>>65065133
ACKmad, stop embarassing yourself, you're losing your ugly rat face.
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New K9MH rapid fire demo released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGF-fVgtWY
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>>65065133
Top left would make a cute girl though, just cut her pp off, give her some nice tasteful C cup silicone, and feed her a constant supply of oversize estrogen pills designed for horses for 4-5 years and you'd have a voluptuous war bride you could use for barter or pleasure
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>>65063753
>t. Australian Head of Public Relation
>>65067264
Correct opinion but retarded take
>>65067726
Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed. Shooting while scooting is the definitive move foreward and the best way to make every shell count
>>65067702
I don't like truck mounted systems. Assuming that you have access to serviceable roads is a terrible strategy
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>>65067834
>Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed.
Yeah, but the thing is, you can't fire on the move with the full propellant charge, which compromises the effectiveness of the system. Basically, it's the same kind of gimmick they have already shown in Pzh2000 previously.
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>>65067834
Considering the Ukies decided to make the 2S22 Bohdana a wheeled vehicle, I'm assuming that the danger of bogging isn't excessively high with such a large-calibur gun. Granted, could be monetary restraints too.
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>>65068238
>Yeah, but the thing is, you can't fire on the move with the full propellant charge, which compromises the effectiveness of the system. Basically, it's the same kind of gimmick they have already shown in Pzh2000 previously.
Source?
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>ITT
I'd just like to inject that several mutts, CIA handlers and unironic larping browns repeatedly beat their own chests that the US does not need NATO and should return to isolation. Going by that logic buying American hardware is not even just playing into their economics, it's downright a gamble that you even get anything for your money in the first place.
Again, I call for total European re-armament.
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>>65067834
>Assuming that you have access to serviceable roads is a terrible strategy
If your logistics can't go there, there's not much use for vehicular artillery either. A basic dirt road infrastructure with temporary routes through the woods is well within the capabilities of the off-road trucks used for artillery vehicles.
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>>65067834
>Staying in one place for too long is a sure-fire way to get your material destroyed. Shooting while scooting is the definitive move foreward and the best way to make every shell count
Stopping for less than a minute to let some shots off makes zero difference for survivability and is well worth the reduced cost and complexity.
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>>65071474
Your logistics don't need to go to the firing positions of you sph, they can stay in the protected rear and let the sph come to them.
Also, these dumpers are massive and have enormous wheels (should be about 160cm to 180cm / 5ft4in to 5ft11in in diameter). That's way largen than even "offroad" trucks like the one the K9MH is mounted on.
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>>65063151
give it back, thief.
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>>65061988
Americans also did this without Trump and Euros do this too. Euros are just being forced to learn thanks to Trumptardation how the world is outside of the Western(tm) bubble. There is no alternative to producing your own weapons if you want to be a “real” country (bar some meme countries that can set up crazy leverages but actually you need both even).
t.urk who remembers how germs tried to ban selling us leopard parts or how canucks banned selling us their FLIR because we droned the wrong syrians, only to now come running back for muh cooperation after we made our own FLIRs and it turned out the wrong syrians became the right syrians and started shaking hands, and many such epic stories of retardation
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>>65067754
>map includes different definitions of rape, and only includes reported cases
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>>65073501
All this map tells me is if I meet a girl at a bar and we fuck and later she regrets it because I'm not chad, it's riskier to do that in michigan or arkansas than in california or wyoming because california girls will just shrug and move on but arkasas girls will be like "reeeee it was weinstein and cosby all over again raaaape"
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>>65073823
Wtf kinda Temu-tier shitbot is this?
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>>65063073
Finns play the long game. US presidents come and go, Finnish military storage caves in the bedrock are eternal. Just the way they circumvented the artillery limitations from Paris peace accords show they know how to prepare.
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>>65070315
>Considering the Ukies decided to make the 2S22 Bohdana a wheeled vehicle
the reason is manufacturing capacity and money
they can buy truck chassis in Europe more or less off the shelf and bolt the gun platform on it
if they wanted a tracked chassis, they'd have to either make them or get something existing (e.g. stocks of broken tanks) and rebuilt it, either way bottlenecking production and taking more money
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>>65061873
maybe threatening invasion, siding with the enemy and szarting rezarded wars that ruin entire eceonomies some mkre will make that turdie eurocunt respect you, yes?
death to israel and death to the idf and its ghoulish backers in america
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>>65074937
nope, rape is more thoroughly reported in western europe with eastern europe still suffering the "based and trad" way where they make their women shut up about beinf raped and laugh/dismiss them out of police stations
subhumans like you believe nothing and stand for nothing
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>>65074843
burgers are so shameless but I guess that's a prerequisite for their low self-esteem and self-humiliating worship of Jews.
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>>65061825
I hope Finland follows Poland's gun lust and stays armed to the teeth
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>>65075486
>if you deliver late and provide shit customer service even when it's legal this won't effect future purchasing decisions
as OP's deal shows the US isn't the only seller on the western market anymore and the others do deliver on time and don't provide shit customer service.
more broadly this comes down to the US not assuming good faith in contract law but needing it to be explicitly included. the global norm is that if you are going to take an action of your own volition and that action will effect your contracting party you should try to avoid said action or minimise the effects there of in relation to your contracting party.
the US just says to hell with it. that is in turn one of the reasons why the US is losing global market share for military products.
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>>65076470
>the global norm is that if you are going to take an action of your own volition and that action will effect your contracting party you should try to avoid said action or minimise the effects there of in relation to your contracting party
no its not, most arms manufacturers include these diversion-to-others clauses
it happened to russia when they failed in ukraine, and it happened when the US diverted orders for ukrainian aid packages
you're retarded
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>>65061825
>current year
>investing in anything artillery or tank
i guess you need to dump all the stock somewhere
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>>65077238
party A and B sign a contract
in that contract party A whom is the privileged party inserts a clause allowing it to delay delivery if A's own stockpile gets to low.
party A then goes and sells form it's own stock pile to other parties C D ect.
having done so it then turns to B and says it will have to delay delivery.
party A has acted in bad faith in that it chose to take action it knew would allow it to invoke the clause and then chose to invoke it. A acted with the intention of screwing B over
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>>65077380
>I sell you my home, we agree that in the case my new home burns down I get to stay in my home until my new home is rebuild
>I go and burn down my home for the insurance and take my old home back from you
>this is all okay because the contract didn't explicitly ban me from burning my new home down
parties agree to if X then Y
parties don't agree to I'll deliberately cause X so I can Y
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>>65077835
>so patriot stockpiles are actually low?
No one actually knows outside of a select few people. But it's being surmised through publicly acknowledged rate of production and domestic procurement that anytime a significant number of patriot missiles are fired you have to start eating into older stockpiles instead of using new production. Between Ukraine and the Iran stuff, new production Patriots are basically empty and now the US is forced to use stockpiles of older stock.
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>>65061825
Is there a JAGD version? Haha.
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>>65073378
>Also, these dumpers are massive and have enormous wheels
The Swedish Archer artillery system is built on the Volvo A30 chassis.