yeah

Wrong, stop buying garbage AR9s from bubba.

>>65061857
Didn't know the scorpion, stribog, and kuna were all technically an "AR9 from bubba", TIL!

>>65061858
I didnt know you could afford any of those you seem like a BCA guy, maybe PSA for Christmas.

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>>65061864
Imagine being a snob over a $2000 hand grenade

>>65061870
Imagine being a fox calling the grapes out of his economic reach sour.

>>65061871
Economically secure people don't e-peen over a shitty gun that explodes on you. Did you buy it on Klarna or did you just take out a payday loan for it?

Lol, Klarna boy is a Nissan driver too >>65061880

>>65061881
Again here you are makong shit up on stuff you cant afford in order to self soothe.

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Should have gotten the Henry.

>>65061892
If you were really as rich as you're trying to convince us that you are, you'd be comfortable with the fact that sometimes people blow money on defective goods and you'd own up to your mistake. Instead you are coping and seething because buyer's remorse is a bitch when you couldn't really afford it to begin with but for Klarna

>>65061849
I'm not reading that

>>65061905
Youre malding out over all pccs and now are talking about B&Ts, are you such a coward that you made a separate thread instead of seething in the B&T thread? You also seem to be obsessed with buy now pay later, you arent beating the brokie allegations.

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>>65061908
>kunas are AR9s
>scorpions are made by B&T
I'm learning all kinds of new things today, cool!

>>65061910
Good luck with your mental problems bud

>>65061849
yeah, just buy an MP5. It's the one that actually works because it's the one designed for people who need it to work.

>no guns retard regurgitates nonsense for rage bait
>prouth meth wongth!
Naw, Id rather just point and laugh.

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>>65061849
>don't be OP
>buy an MP5 clone
>it just werks
>move on with your life

her tattoos are tragic. absolutely ruined.

my stribog 45 is fine. A bit front heavy, wish it came in a 5" model. index finger mag release is a meme but you have superior paddle mag anyway so w/e. also wish there was a shorter mag available.

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>>65061849
> Either it OOB's on you when you don't whisper sweet nothings into its ear every morning or it hides an extra round under the bolt as a prank so you can ND it later, or there's only one mag allowed and it breaks all the time.
never encountered these issues. Perhaps you need to strengthen your faith in the machine spirits.

>>65061849
git gud

>>65061849
Please just buy literally anything but an ar9 or scorpion. They suck.

This is a funny sentence:
> Either it OOB's on you when you don't whisper sweet nothings into its ear every morning or it hides an extra round under the bolt as a prank so you can ND it later

>>65062134
There are girl coded and guy coded tattoos. I despise it when girls get sleeves or a random patchwork on their calf or something. But those chandelier/dreamcatcher things they get under their tits aren’t unsightly. I’d prefer the girls bare, but I’m pretty close to indifferent on female tattoos so long as they’re not the male coded and they don’t cover tits and ass.

>>65062177
Dubs for the omnissiah

>>65062177
Never heard of these issues on any mp5 clone or cx4 or even on henrys.

>>65061849
she's cute, how do I get a gf like that?

>>65062580
earn money and don't be a whiny bitch.
that's literally all it takes.

My stribog went 850 rounds suppressed withoit cleaning before it started to do funny things with bullets. Taking the suppressor off removed all reliability issues from grime and I cleaned it at 1000 rounds.

>>65062583
well shit, I'm out

>>65062597
>850 rounds suppressed without cleaning
shooting more muck than bullet at that point, i'd wager.

>>65062583
sounds gay

>>65061849
>16" PS90
>longer than a M1 Garand
Into the trash your opinion goes.

Seems like the verdict is just get an MP5 or a clone thereof even though the ergonomics are from the cold war. But wouldn't a clone be just as unreliable as one of these new eastern european reddit guns?

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>>65062177
>spends all that money on a copeP-5
>Doesn't have money for handrails on the stairs
Pottery

>>65062711
Turkshit mp5s are okay but Ive heard some people reporting sloppy stamping resulting in crooked guns

>>65062722
>describing the money required to buy a copep5 as 'all that money'
that's some deep, generational poverty you just described to me.

>>65062735
Post your SP5 bro

>>65062735
I don't know why you're trying to act all superior when you're running a holosun.

>>65062740
>>65062745
oh babey, two angry little (You)s from the poors, for the price of one!

>>65062177
For real wtf is up with those death stairs?

>>65062755
new construction, ain't had them installed when I took the pic.

>>65062545
>coded
STFU, you stupid zoomer faggot.

>>65062960
What fucking ever. What would you call it?

>>65062757
Post proof there are handrails now.

Tbh though out of all the PCC out there the ar9 kits and psa akv have the worst records of bad quality control. Even the rugher pcc charger with all it's mag issues and ruger QC can have good ones out there.

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>>65061849
>have 2 pccs that I shoot
>one is my home build garbage rod that is half AR9 and half AR15 that I use for testing attachments and made out whatever the cheapest things are that I can get my hands on
>the other is my LelKek sub2000 gen 2 that I have owned since it was the newest thing on the market
>neither have ever had a OoB or a FtE

I think you have a personal problem OP

>>65061897
Mine broke after 2000rnds. The action bars sheared off, but they sent me new bars for free though.

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>>65061849
I just think they're neat

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>>65063132
Noice

>>65063012
This…

>>65061849
>stribog with a factory mag instead of GP USA ones
NGMI

>>65063085
What’s that gif from?

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>>65061897
I need to do a Ratslayer only run in New Vegas now. Thanks.

>>65062711
>>65062733
>>65062722
Man, them is some digits. At this point the mp5 design is approaching 1911 status: there are so many people making them for so long that it's actually surprising when they fuck it up. Also, you can get a HK BRAND HK SP5 with a good suppressor, an HK BRAND HK SP5 collapsible stock, an SBR stamp, 6 HK BRAND HK SP5 mags, laser/rails/lights, and a good quality optic for about 7k total. It's more than I would put into a PCC, even for a home defense gun, but its not exactly the 'infinite dunk on poors' this one guy seems to think it is.

>is it cheaper than a 10 year old Lexus?
>probably not a bragging thing.

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>>65063132
As do I. OOB’s are practically a feature.

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Let me guess, you need more?

>>65063574
A pajeet film called RRR

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>>65061849
>oob
once every 3k rounds, not an issue
>hides an extra round under the bolt
non issue, the KP31's bolt is too fat
>only one mag allowed
God's chosen suur-suomi drum magazines and coffins never falter
>cycles for 2k
1.5k into mine, no issues save for tne coffin mag I have to load to 48
>estonian accessories
Replaced the springs, cost me like 16 dollars
>nfa items
16 inch barrel and full wood stock.
>sell at a steep loss
Suomi prices on gunjoker continue to go up

Suomi is the best PCC, a man's PCC. Be a man.

>>65064361
My only issue with soumi and russian equivalent guns are just how overbuilt and rough they shoot. They are bricks.

>>65062757
I admire your taste in flooring

>>65063972
On the one hand, every board seems to think a product that costs more than my electric bill in July is an infinite dunk on poors

On the other hand, $7k for one gun is getting into $1000 sneakers territory. I'm sure it's better than a scorpion but can it really be THAT much better?

>>65064537
Scorpion is kinda bad, they are the only modern production PCC without a recoil mitigation system in place. You pay 900 dollars and up and get blown out by cx4, clone mp5s, kuna, pmx, and nearly every PCC in modern production. The CZ is has no recoil reduction in the evos on OEM parts. You are paying a premium for a worse user experience.

>>65062630
You are the reason US birthrates are down.

>>65061849
>cuck legal PS90 if you don't mind having something longer than a garand
Wdhmbt?

>>65062545
>I’m pretty close to indifferent on female tattoos
Wrong, you are not. You hate girls with tattoos because you are bi at best. You just cover by whiteknighting tattooed WHORES!

>>65064512
A gentleman with br dignity.

>>65064500
the overbuilt nature of the gun reduces recoil and makes them practically immune to breakage

>>65064361
yeah great an oversized unergonomic piece of soviet junk designed to be given to conscriptovich for a trench assault he was almost certain not to live through

>>65064565
>say I’m indifferent to tattoos
>this means I hate girls with tattoos
>which means I take dicks in my ass

I am not following any of the steps of your logic

>>65061849
PCCs are a gang of compromises. Thats why, even the military ones with full auto are junk.
FULL SIZE RIFLE IS KING.

>>65064923
>full size rifle is king
That’s the point of an assault rifle. It is the next gen of smgs. The benefits could not be ignored any longer so they were incorporated into a universal infantry rifle. Smgs are obsolete now. What little niche roles they can still fill are better served by a 300 blackout sbr. I’ll apply an exception for mag-in-grip SMGs for where compactness is of paramount importance. intermediate cartridges can’t do that

>>65064923
>>65064963
Yeah but you don't need an intermediate caliber for close quarters combat

>>65064968
Didn't need Kunetsov either.
14-10" rifles won.
Anything else is cope or a situation who's improbability defies logistics.

>>65064963
>i derive my understanding of firearms from vidya and moeeevies
lol

>>65064890
>oversized
shorter than a mosin
>unergonomic
AR-15 style charging handle in 1931, weight is of no concern if you're not a bitch, magazine changes are smooth, iron sights are quick to acquire, and has a quick change barrel.
>soviet junk
Finnish, and is made of exceptionally high quality machined steel and arctic birch. Clearly still superior to plastic trash embroidered with american flags, considering it can actually get through several magazines without a stoppage.
>conscript blahblah
KP31 was issued to the best men of each finnish squad, and used to great effect on many waves of bolsheviks.

>>65064919
>I am not following any of the steps of your logic
This is how confused you are, seek help. Go straight.

>>65064361
How are those TNW Suomi conversions? I heard some models are finnicky or have horrid triggers.

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>>65061849
My Stribog hasn't given me any issues, but admittedly I did install a short-stroke buffer and replace the lower receiver pretty early on.

SP9A3S and the 10mm one seem to be the best versions.

>>65065275
I have no idea, mine is a indy ordnance build with a lot of tuning and custom springs, trigger is somewhere between an AR15 and MP44. If you're interested in a KP31 definitely get the indy tube/bolt and a kit, the TNW's are known for being kind of shit.

>>65065279
Nice 'bog, m8.

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My local reservist club has a ADC PCC and it jams at least once every fucking time we have a shooting event. Makes me wanna hatefuck it with a cleaning rod.

>>65065348
>ar9
into the trash. get a mp5 clone.

>>65065349
I am not gay

>>65065387
But I am

>>65065397
i'm also a girl btw :)

>>65061849
>with the terminal effectiveness of a 10/22
oh boy, here we go again

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>>65065279
>cmore
Patrician.
>SP9A3S and the 10mm one seem to be the best versions.
Yes.

>>65065399
No, but you're daddy was.

>>65065460
>"n-nuh uh"
go to bed, boomer

>>65061849
She annoys me

>>65063987
Runs just fine on my machine :^)

>>65064552
Both the CZ and the PMX are straight blowback are they not? I'm not saying that's good but they seem pretty similar in that area, what am I missing here?

>>65065411
he's right though

>>65066125
NTA but I have a PMX and there's a little spring-loaded ball bearing that interfaces with the bolt carrier. I have no clue if it actually does anything to delay the action, though.
That said, there was a time where Beretta was dumping all their PMXes and selling them for cheap and that's what I assume anon was talking about.

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>>65062177
Peak MP5 aesthetics there, how they were setup on my old job.

>>65061870
Aero procession vs H&K guys

>>65064029
It has so many ergonomic flaws, but it shoots great and is reliable. You can't beat that.

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>>65066723
MP5 A2

I don't have any relevant MP5 pictures, so have a totally safe, not at all problematic German wonder weapon of the Second World War.

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The Linda was perfection.

>>65065279
if that's not junk I'll take it

>>65066843
>The little tard propeller at the front, to generate electricity I assume
It was such an oddball flying coffin.

Anyway, MP5SD or suppressed AR (.223) with subsonic rounds? Which is gonna give me better ballistics.

>>65066983
>suppressed AR (.223) with subsonic rounds
You're not going to run an AR with subsonic rounds, the only .223 subs are designed for bolt actions and won't cycle a semi auto.

>>65066983
isn't that what they made 300 blackout for?

>>65066831
Didn't aero go banquarrota?

>>65067002
Ok well actually have a bolt .223 already so I guess I can have that for sub funzies and the AR for super funzies.

>>65066404
The 2 rod springs and stopping block prevent damage to the receiver and make it a bit more comfortable. The scorpion does not come with one. You have to add an aftermarket one through some modification. The Beretta cx4 used the same but without the ball bearing and the stock semi autos only have the single rod and spring, they work. Pmx is overpriced but it is actually doing something for felt recoil out of the box, not the case for scorpion which comes with nothing for some reason.

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>>65065319
>>65066875
>>65065438
I tried like 5 different brands of mags, the only ones that didn't work well were the ETS ones. Magpul justwerks though so I'm sticking with those.

It's the ideal 2-stamp range toy imo. I've considered making it my home defense piece but honestly there's good reasons to stick with a handgun for that.

>>65068215
It's a good looking gun for what it is but I really wish they would ditch the Stribogsteiner Imperial Dunkelweiss Extra IPA labeling, it looks so out of place and weird. I think if i got one I'd have to file it off or something.

>>65063132
What rail is that? I've been thinking about one for my own 633 clone and I wasn't sure which ones were short enough to fit.

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Where flaw?

>>65068347
>non removable sights that add additional cost
>no lrbho
>trigger meh
>barrel too long
>no attachment points on rail
>no optic rail
>big $
>dude just spend another 1k and -
No.

>>65068347
Nowhere. PCC perfected right there.

>>65068347
I can't mount my red dot

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>>65069556
A problem solved with a <1 oz aluminum part is not really a problem.

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Couldn't be me.

>>65068323
I might paint it eventually. It's a very light laser engraving, you can barely feel it with your finger. It wouldn't be hard to get rid of it. I'm not a big fan myself but honestly you stop noticing it pretty quick when you're not just looking at photos on the internet.

>>65063012
nta
you're posting proof you're an insecure poor right now
only rat race types care about this shit

MP5fags what kind of silencers do you recommend?

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>>65061849
>5.56mm AR pistol

>>65072208
Go to PewScience rankings, filter 9mm, sort by composite rating, and pick any of the top 10. You won't really notice the sound difference.
Narrow your options by your choice in weight, cost, aesthetic, back pressure, and if you're going to use it on pistols too.

then why are the flux kits so reliable? both p320 and p365

>>65064890
>soviet
retard

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>>65064500
the suomi runs miles ahead of the ppsh
pic rel is a zero test of it, left is semi auto and right is full auto, 100 yards
with its compensator you will not find a finer gun to shoot

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>>65061849
Just get the columbine carbean

>>65064968
Wouldn't you be better off with a shotgun though

>>65061849
yes they're not fully automatic

>>65073137
Does back pressure really matter on a mp5 tho?

>>65075956
Its a called an FRT, I have the rarebreed drop in trigger for my SP5 and the fire rate is exactly the same as a real full auto, its insane.

3 positions, safe, semi, and FRT.

What more do you want? This is as close as we are getting to legal machine guns.

>>65062177
that's because you bought a submachine gun (tool for cops and soldiers) not a PCC (toy for funko pop collecting redditors)

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>>65062177
>>65061916
>>65066723
>>65068347
>>65071042
why is it that after more than a century of development there is still only one carbine form factor autoloading gun in 9mm that just werks

>>65078260
MP5 is a legend and they not have drop in FRT cassette triggers that offer full auto cyclic rates, mine is 100% reliable with FRT, literally never once jammed on me. Krauts made em proper.

Never once felt bad for spending $2500 on my SP5.

>>65078220
It really makes a difference with how much crap comes back at you.

It would also matter if you had a FRT on the shorty version.

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are these kits any good?

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>>65061849
Does this chick have down syndrome or FAS or what?

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>>65068404
>has lrbho
>has attachment points on rail
>has optic rail
>in god's chosen caliber
how come they don't want me man?

>>65061849
The PCC market is dogshit. Most things are ridiculously overpriced even though they are just straight blowback (costs basically fuck-all to make let alone 1-3k). There are cheap PCCs but most people treat them like Funko Pops, showing off an expensive MP5 clone or something like that and coping as if it's a transferable machine gun.

Even if you don't overpay they don't make much sense. I have a KT Sub2000 that runs fine but is collecting dust because I can just shoot a regular rifle or pistol instead of the worst of both worlds.
>>65075814
They are cheap, but annoying to take apart if you have to clean or fix something. Plus Hi-Point magazines.
>>65079538
Ugly and expensive. Plus 45 is expensive to shoot compared to 9mm.
>>65079331
Could be FAS or just pulled the short straw on the genetic lottery.

>>65063126
Honestly that's not terrible.

>>65066843
experimental supersonic testbed
never was a wunderwaffe
never used in propaganda
top sectet till end war
allies flew em for evaluation till mid 50s

STOP THAT HISTORY CHANNEL BOOMER BULLSHIT

>>65079538
It's just ugly as fuck. I don't care it's HK. They fuck up the aesthetics of civilian weapons on purpose I swear.
>just get UMP conver-
No

>>65066849
these things do look incredible, i'd love to have one

>>65061849
they too poor for 300 chimpout

>>65079551
Idk something like a Flux with a can seems pretty fun suppressed. Yeah it's not ideal, but they make cheaper clamshell designs for various pistols that are super compact. A pistol conversion with a can and subs seems to me like a bretty solid home defense weapon desu.

Man the butthurt that pccs generate from noshoots and larpers is crazy.

>>65080213
What is the most butthurt-inducing PCC build

Hope that new Taurus PDW is good

>>65080235
Turk mp5 Id wager.

Sp5 owner here, never had a single issue suppressed, unsuppressed, across all ammo types. Cycles HP flawlessly too

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>>65062636
t. PS90 owner

>>65062545
>coded
Modernist nu-age, subjective nihilism FAGGOT.
Bet if there was a test for it you'd score as thinking more like a female compared to men from 100 years ago.
The ancient greeks "died" when they got bored of Rationalist Philosophy and said "oh fuck it, believe anything you want it doesn't matter."
Tattoos on women are a sign that they are dogshit individuals. End of story.

>guns?
If you dont understand the gassing and recoil setup of a particular AR don't complain when random ammo choice #C doesn't work right.

>>65080273
seek medical attention

>>65079538
>how come they don't want me man?
ITA. Too expensive and too much BS involved. 45 Bog is superior as well. I have a lot of optimism for the clones though.

>>65061897
what rail is that? not loving the rear sight on my henry and been meaning to get a rail anyways

>>65079551
>Most things are ridiculously overpriced even though they are just straight blowback (costs basically fuck-all to make let alone 1-3k).
If that were true you would be seeing the price go down. Even Taurus is trying to get $800+.
>I have a KT Sub2000 that runs fine but is collecting dust because I can just shoot a regular rifle or pistol instead of the worst of both worlds.
>you cannot deploy a Sub2000 out of a reusable shopping bag, or laptop bag. PDWs (5inchish barrel) give you a substantial increase in capability vs a pistol.

>>65080418
What's the practical advantage of a 45 bog for an average civilian? The stopping power still sucks but it's at least as expensive as 5.56 or 300 blackout plus I assume you'd have to be quite picky about bullet shape otherwise you'll have feeding problems

>>65080450
Do people actually carry those things? I guess it's technically a pistol right? So you could carry a 7.62 pistol and it's still technically ok?

>>65080477
>What's the practical advantage of a 45 bog for an average civilian
It can me maneuvered and fired from enclosed positions better than a rifle. They offer considerably more capabilities over a pistol. I can travel with mine and take it with me everywhere I go. I do not leave firearms in vehicles or anywhere I'm not on control of them.
>>65080479
In my state it is.

>>65078260
>it just werks
>unless you put accessories on it

>>65080477
Pistol calibers indoors are far less obnoxious to deal with. As a civilian the only time youll likely shoulder a gun in anger is statistically indoors. Very few home invaders have the kind of fight in them where calibers would matter over shot placement.

>>65064552
Their are far more blowback pccs on the market right now than there are with recoil mitigation/delay. I think it was shots how 2023 where they unveiled like fucking 10 blowback pccs that each cost 1.5k-2k.

itt
>the mp5 is literally perfect!
>stock photo

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>>65080562
Huh?

>>65080552
buffered blowback is like 90% as good as roller delayed and much more reliable.

>>65080677
It isn't.

>>65080668
Huh? Huh? Huh?
>electrical infetterence

>>65080677
lmao nah

>>65080542
beats the dick and balls off of a gun that doesn't werk, with or without the accessories.

>>65080789
Like you're doing right now?

>>65081235
>>65080789
Ok we get it you watch the ethnically ambiguous zoomertwink and read the comments

How are the H&R/PSA 635 PCCs? I wanna get one, but they are still PSA at the end of the day.

>>65080418
>45 Bog is superior
In terms of handling sure, but they've had some durability/reliability issues in the past. While it may not have been as successful as the MP5, the UMP does have a proven combat track record which the bog lacks.