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One of my favorite and most brute force methods of providing fire support

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Imagine debating over whether the Sherman was a deathtrap or how good the Lee was when we also made these things

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>>65065568
pure sovl thoug-
>hull machine guns are .30 cal

o-oh yea ..
it's garbage

SAD

anyways: have picrel in return

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the baka bratwurst

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Finland makes funny howitzers with built in diesel engines so they can drive short distances

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>>65065664

>>65065664
I know it's just being displayed for the public, but I choose to believe that a conscript drove the howitzer home to grab lunch and I will not be convinced otherwise.

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>>65065542
> OPs weapon

>>65065664
that's not super unusual, the cold war contemporary of the M198, the FH70 also had a small engine for short range relocation without a tow vehicle.

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>>65065907
The Karl-Gerats were also self-propelled, though only useful for short distances given how heavy the vehicle was. They took them apart to move them any sort of significant distance.

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>>65065542
Sauterelle crossbow chucking grenades, saw actual combat

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>"oh no advancements in tank development has left my 37mm AT underpowered"
>enter the 6.5" AT rifle grenade

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>>65066059
And then the sequel ramped it up to 300mm

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During WWI the British issued Paradox guns made by Holland & Holland--fine side-by-side shotguns with rifled chokes optimized for shooting slugs, specifically for the purpose of shooting down zeppelins. They had special incendiary shells meant for this purpose.

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>>65066104

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Ye Olde M203.

>>65066019
fully self propelled are a completely different story, in the case of those two clearly towed howitzers they're special because they still contain autxillary propulsion

>>65066034
thought this was a indoor bicycle at first

>>65066115
I see what you mean now, you're not towing a Karl without taking it apart and putting it on road trailers. The only way it's moving when assembled is under its own power.

>>65066064
how is that a paradox?

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>>65065664
they also have (had?) this hand-towed wheeled recoilless rifle nicknamed musti:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_S_58-61
the finnish reserve infantry in wargame red dragon has these as its anti-tank weapon.
they also get sako m/39 mosin nagants. in the 90s.

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>>65066134
yes, that's the difference between self propelled and towed artillery. now you're getting it.

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>>65066143
I thought you were simply talking about artillery whose self-propulsion sucked. Some self-propelled artillery is very mobile.

pic unrelated, but an odd weapon that was for a time issued by the British Royal Navy.

>>65066136
nvmd i just googled it

allows for shooting both slugs and normal

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>>65066136
"Paradox" was the name that Holland & Holland used for their guns of that type. It's a model name, like a Colt "Python". Other makers called their ball-and-shot guns different names. Westley Richards called theirs the "Explora". It's interesting because these were really expensive sporting guns, not your usual military issue.

Though, now that I mention it there are other examples of this. They also used dangerous game rifles to defeat trench armor.
>In 1914 and early 1915, German snipers were engaging British Army positions with impunity from behind steel plates that were impervious to .303 British ball ammunition. In an attempt to counter this threat, the British War Office purchased sixty-two large-bore sporting rifles from British rifle makers, including four .600 Nitro Express rifles, which were issued to regiments. These large-bore rifles proved very effective against the steel plates used by the Germans. In his book, Sniping in France 1914-18, Major H. Hesketh-Prichard, DSO, MC stated they "pierced them like butter".

>Stuart Cloete, sniping officer for the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, stated "We used a heavy sporting rifle - a .600 Express. These had been donated to the army by big game hunters and when we hit a plate we stove it right in. But it had to be fired standing or from a kneeling position to take up the recoil. The first man who fired it from the prone position had his collar bone broken."

That's quite impressive as a .600 Nitro is not a very effective armor-piercing round. It's a huge, heavy, slug that's not moving particularly fast, it must have been brutally wrecking those plates with pure kinetic energy, not icepicking a neat little hole like a modern AP round.

>>65066149
For mutineers I believe

>>65066158
Another interesting example was the Luftwaffe M30 survival gun.

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>>65065664
Russians have a 125mm anti tank gun that can drive about 50km at a slow running pace

>>65066163
soviet doubling down on large towed AT guns is something else

>>65066163
would be kindo if it could drive like 100 mph

otherwise whats the fucking point?
some "in case nuclear war happens"-equipment?

>>65066229
ah
apparently the gear can be holded up

thought it was like some kind of wallmart-hellcat

>>65066236
>holded
folded*

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>>65066163
Looks like a Broce Broom

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>>65065542
I refused to believe these weren't some kind of paintball vehicle the first time I saw them

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"Ampulomet" emergency antitank weapon, used by the Soviets for a brief period in '41-'42. It was essentially a simple black powder cannon that fired hollow glass balls that were filled with a mix of red phosphorous and sulfur. The mix would (probably) ignite on impact after the glass broke and (hopefully) blind or disable the tank.

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>>65067278

>>65065664
Is that picatinny rails on a howitzer?

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Double-barreled stocked pistol things

>>65067290
yes
for the underbarrel grenade launcher and PEQ-15

>>65067315
A common facial expression of Chauchat users.

>>65067315
>fist battle rifle of the free world
The Americans fail in their attempt to replicate it
>second battle rifle of the free world
The Americans refuse to use it

Have they been trying to tell us something all along? =)

>>65066169
They are still operating under WW2 doctrine so that makes sense

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Airacuda my beloved

>>65067266
never beating the slanted eye stereotype

>>65066158
is it just me, or is that bullet accuracy kinda shit?

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Howtar. 107mm chemical mortar mated to a 75mm pack howitzer carriage.

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>>65069346
And the moritzer.
115mm rifle revolver rocket launcher thing.
Two very different conceptions of the same idea in the same era but iirc they weren't competing

>>65069365
Video of the xm70e2 being fired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bJ-XNYux_M

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>>65069365
>>65069375
Cool. seems similar to the 2B9 Vasilek

i remember quite a while ago there was a thread about artillery or something, and in it there was some (french i think) towable artillery guns, that were absolutely tiny.
full, proper wheels, tow-able set up, but like, no bigger then a somewhat large school backpack? if i had seen it today i would of assumed it was some a.i generated joke.

anyone know what im talking about? it looked like you could just...pick it up and carry it. one handed.

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>>65069501
eh, maybe it was just this, the Granatwerfer 36? still, just something so tiny that it was just carried by hand, but on a full proper miniature carriage, like you were going to tow it in a bicycle or something.

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>>65069522
Wasn't this was it?

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>>65069574
no, the wheels in that image are taller/bigger then the entire mortar in the image im thinking of. like, it was SO comically small. like this hacked together 40mm grenade launcher from ukraine apparently, but imagine this with wheels and dials and everything

>>65069750
You're referring to the WW1 37mm French field gun/infantry-gun.
That's as small as they ever got.

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>>65069767
Fugg
>adopted
How about a .50 with underslung mortar?

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>>65069758
>WW1 37mm French field gun
this thing looks like? or is it "cannon"
lmao its so adorable. "3.7 cm Infanteriegeschütz M.15"

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>>65069790
that tiny carriage, its adorable

>>65069790
Made redundant the instant mortars got more popular.

>>65065548
The videos of these things putting in work in Hue City are great.

>>65069790
>>65069794
That's the Austrian version. Bit smaller than the French cannon.

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>>65065548
Hell yeah

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>>65069574
>have the most advanced rocket propulsion tech on the planet
>make your light rocket AT a small artillery piece until Amis show you it works just fine from a 20 pound sheet metal tube
>make your artillery almost exclusively drawn instead of putting them on trucks like the Soviets did (which the Waffen SS just straight up copied)
>make most of the ones you did put on trucks fixed racks with no fire control
>be absolutely hellbent on making dumb-fire A2A rockets work (they didn't)
It's downright comical how hard Germans armed forces fumbled their implementation of rockets.

>>65070108
>No mention of V2 initial meant to be used to explode inside bomber formations, but Hitler wanted a terror weapon
Casual.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOkO8Sh2xs
fuck it, shoulder arty

>>65070108
>make your artillery almost exclusively drawn instead of putting them on trucks like the Soviets did
That's because the Nazis didn't have enough trucks to begin with and couldn't produce enough either.

>>65070230
And they had an even bigger shortage of mobile artillery, which is why they started putting Wurfrahmen on trucks and some of the old tiny tanks that had little frontline use otherwise

>>65066229
It's just a little engine to help move it along when untowed. Plenty of other countries have the same concept you ignoramus.

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Albrecht mortars were a series of low-cost heavy mortars mass produced for trench warfare by Imperial Germany during the first world war.

The gun tubes/barrels were made of hardwood staves which were glued together, similar to traditional wine barrels.
The wooden barrels were then coated in glue and tightly wrapped with galvanized steel wire as a reinforcement.
These mortars typically had large wooden blocks acting as baseplates and were usually equipped with a simple metal frame allowing the crew to adjust traverse and elevation.

The bore size of the various models ranged from 10-18".
The weapon was muzzle loaded with loose black powder loaded into the weapon before the projectile.
Projectile weight was up to 50lbs. The projectiles were essentially large sheet metal cans with a handle on top to make loading easier.
The projectiles did not have any kind of stabilization features and would tumble through the air, often landing backwards or sideways, so the projectiles were fitted with pyrotechnical delay fuses (like giant firecrackers) rather than impact fuzes.
Various explosive fillers were used, all manner of scrap metal objects were also packed in with the explosives to from shrapnel and improve lethality.

The maximum range was around 650 yards and accuracy was poor.

>>65070108
>make your artillery almost exclusively drawn instead of putting them on trucks like the Soviets did (which the Waffen SS just straight up copied)
They made various nebelwerfer trucks and even some light tanks had rockets mounted to them.

>>65070554
They had two mid-late war Nebelwerfer trucks with less than a thousand made between them and various vehicles with fixed launch frames for their 28/32cm rockets

>>65069767
This weapon is hilarious. And probably the only reason it was invented, was some guy witnessed one too many industrial accidents involving rotating machinery, and thought this should be weaponized.

>"i've seen five guys killed by being to close to this rotating thingy throwing bits and pieces at them, imagine the damage we could do if it was intentional"

>>65065548
It's tank hunter though

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>>65070500
that's more or less the "hell cannon" of it's day

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>>65065542
Unguided 215mm antitank rocket launcher

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>>65069790
>>65069794
That is one of the greatest weapons ever conceived by man.

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>>65071778

>>65070702
>less than a thousand
By WW2 German standards that's a lot.

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>>65067278
>>65067281
Looks like the Northover projector, a UK last resort launcher for the home guard when they thought the invasion is imminent
Notorious for being a piece of shit that tended to explode and injure crew

>>65072025
>The Northover projectors arrived without the requisite propellants. But, this did not act as any deterrent to the Home Guard. Their innate gift for improvisation quickly showed itself. Propellants containing as much as 180 grains of black powder were made of anything from silk stockings to cardboard. And, the drill having been learnt in a very short space of time, those units to whom the projectors were issued were able to have gratifying if anxious moments when they fired beer bottles and other missiles ejected through the projectors by means of their home-made charges.

>The Home Guard of Britain by Charles Graves

>>65072158
Another great quote from that book:
>One man, noted for his slowness in grasping a subject, after having fired his first dummy no. 36 grenade from discharger, in all sincerity looked quite aghast when could not find grenade in discharger after firing same. Furthermore, on being told to return his empty case (ballistite), said: "I canna, as I've just fired it"

>>65066059
These things are in call to arms, and their on paper pen stats are ridiculously goddamn amazing and then you actually build one and the range is like 24 feet.

>>65072337
eww no-guns, no one cares about your video game

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>>65072440
Oh my apologies, feel free to tell me what the real 3.7cm Pak 36 that you totally do own is like to shoot with the HEAT grenades you definitely regularly use it with, niggerfaggot.

>>65072956
>can't take a joke
bet you can take that thing up your ass tho

>>65073049
>merely pretending

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>>65065542
Quiet Special Purpose Revolver
S&W Model 29, cylinders bored out to 0.528" and a 10mm .40cal smoothbore barrel and the shell was caalled 10mm QSPR which was essentially a small 410 shotgun shell in some ways full of 10ball. Used for Vietnam by tunnel rats and they managed to get the noise down to about the same as a .22LR with some degree of better point-blank hit potential over the 1911 in fist-fight ranges underground with the VC.
Made by AAI Corporation, the same nutcases that made things like flechette assault rifles, OICW and the LSAT

>>65073481
>Sir, the Soviet SMG has twice our magazine capacity!
>Mein GOTT! Add a second magazine to our SMG and make it over complicated!
>Wait, doesn't our SMG fire about half the soviet's rate, and thus time of fire is about the same anyways?
>And then the gun was shitcanned

>>65067978
>is it just me, or is that bullet accuracy kinda shit?
Just you. For a shot pattern in the late 1800s that was very decent. The modern era of free float barrels and trivial high precision manufacturing is, well, modern. Even then, I'll note a LOT of "oh yeah totally <0.5 moa" claims are cherry picked horse shit if you dig into it much, and/or conceal a lot of asterisks when it comes to anything but slow shooting from the bench with specific loads.

>>65073511
You also have to look at context. That's not a rifle, it's a double-barreled side-by-side shotgun firing slugs with shit aerodynamics. And those test groups were surely fired from a standing position as that was standard practice at that time, you would get different results fired off sandbags.

I find it *very* impressive that there's no obvious difference between where the left and the right barrel shoot.

>>65070500
Damn, I didn't know they were so short on ammo they were using dogs as ammo.

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>>65073662
People don't like to talk about it much but that was a dark age of warfare.

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>>65070783
It seems to crop up every now and then

>>65066163
Peak example of a making a weapon for the last war you fought and not the future
Im sure this would had done great in WW2

>>65072301
>...exercises with the regular Army were being held all over the country. Here is a report of a typical tactical exercise which brought out qualities in the Home Guard Battalion Commander of which he was wholly unaware:
On one Saturday morning at the start of harvesting he was informed that part of a Battalion of Regular Infantry who were encamped near a town twenty-two miles from his Company H.Q. intended to march towards the Thames estuary. This party wished to billet in barns, etc, for the night in the area of one of his Platoons. To make the scheme more realistic, the enemy commander asked if could attack the defence system of the Platoon concerned, at the end of his march, and attempt actually to capture the barns in which he proposed to billet his men properly....
The day was a very hot one. The Home Guard were in their defended locality at 20:30 hours, when operations were timed to commence. At 20:46 hours their scouts reported that the advanced units of the enemy were assembling under cover of the railway opposite their centre. They came under fire from the Home Guard flanks and center, but came in, without any pause, towards the oast-houses where they were to billet for the night. Nothing would stop them; the only umpire was unheeded. Their 'casualties' advanced even further than the rest of the attackers, and the standing corn (out of bounds) was about to be entered. The Home Guard Commander acted instantly. It was no use firing blank, so Northover projectors were loaded up with green apples hard as stones and fired into the advancing enemy. The enemy certainly paused, but the apples being uneatable and the enemy wearing steel helmets, the advance continued. It was only a matter of keeping the head well down. One projector was moved to a flank but the enemy were now practically invisible in the standing corn.

>>65074654
...A quick decision was necessary, and it was made. Molotov bottles were thrown high in the air, and the Platoon Commander burst them one after another with a 12-bore game gun and No. 8 shot. The light wind carried dense smoke directly into the advancing enemy. The position became electric. The enemy's right flank was under fire from Northover projectors firing apples, their left flank was receiving small early potatoes from another Northover, and they were met in front by a blinding smoke-screen, accompanied by broken glass and a few stray pellets of No. 8 shot. They also inhaled a most devastating mixture of sulfur and kindred matter. It marked the end of a perfect (summer) day, and they surrendered.

>>65065674
that's some jacobs shit from borderlands

>>65075185
That was the first percussion handgun ever adopted by the U.S. Military. It was an actual service weapon.

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>>65070783
>probably the only reason it was invented, was some guy witnessed one too many industrial accidents involving rotating machinery, and thought this should be weaponized.

>tfw it's actually psychological weapon, a Jericho trumpet of the modern times, designed to strike the genetic fear of lathes in the heart of every Chinaman

>>65071778
very nifty

>>65067978
I don't think it's too bad for what is essentially a smoothbore shotgun with an integral rifled choke.

>>65067266
this vehicle is in wargame: red dragon
it's ok if you need cheap fire support

>>65074658
kek

>>65072158
>>65072301
>>65074654
>>65074658
I have just ordered this wonderful book on eBay. I never previously knew it existed. God save you and all your good works.

>>65067266
If only you knew...

>>65073166
This thing is cool as fuck. Are they legal now?

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>>65069365
The moritzer? How would that stack against the howtar?

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>125 posts
>still no kraut space magic clockwork

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>>65065542
Austria was into smth else before Paul Luger and Gadton Glock showed up

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>>65077805
I don't rightly know, they only made as best I could tell, maybe 25 or 250 of them and the 3 remaining guns are in museums that anyone knows about. So its one of those things like the gyrojet guns and pistols, but probably even rarer.

>>65077862
All but actually issued, got shitcanned at the last step of adoption

>>65077765
You'll love it.
>The improvisation, not to say scrounging, was particularly necessary in connection with weapons. The 49th Lancs. Battalion Home Guard borrowed a quantity of old Snider rifles from the Belle-vue Zoological Gardens, Manchester, which had been in the Crimea and Indian Mutiny. The 55th County of Lancaster Battalion Home Guard armed each man on duty with a 6 ft. spear and a heavily weighted truncheon made by employees of Manchester Collieries Limited, who formed a large proportion of the personnel...."J Zone"....records the acquisition of many strange fowling pieces and blunderbusses, together with twenty-four cutlasses which led to the formation of a Cutlass Platoon commanded by an old Naval rating.

>On May 15 the 9th Somerset (Wells) Battalion had sent twenty patrols of two men each on to the Mendips and foothills. These patrols were issued with shotguns, sporting rifles, elephant guns, and a couple of Snyders; and when firearms were exhausted, two patrols went out armed with pikes from the H.M.S. Victory which were actually used in the Battle of Trafalgar.

On an exercise I asked a man guarding a closed road what his job was. He said he didn't know. The following then took place:
"Who put you here"
"Don't know, sir."
"Who is your platoon Sargeant?"
"Don't know, sir."
"Who is your platoon Officer?"
"Don't know, sir."
"Who is your company Commander?"
"Don't know, sir."
"Who am I"
"Don't know, sir."
"How long have you been in the Company?"
"Three Months, sir."
"How often do you drill?"
"Five nights a week, sir."
Note: discharged later, mentally deficient.

>>65077862
>be anon
>OP posts literally one single fucking sentence thread theme
>can't make it to the end of the sentence
Holy shit you absolute fucking monkey tier retard anon you fool you blithering moron. Hang your head in shame.

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>absolutely terrific gun Hugo
>now put a Luger mag on it

>>65078083
right right, my bad.
by the way, could you remind me when was this one >>65074029 adopted into service?
or this one >>65073464
i also wanna say this one >>65073166 but then this was technically "deployed" for combat testing. dunno if this counts as adopted
or this one >>65071023 cause i dunno is fucking hamas does field trials and formal adooptions and shit, ykno
or this one >>65069365

in conclusion, suck my dick

>>65078114
To be fair, the snail drum was the only 9mm mag they had which could give the weapon a high capacity. They dropped it as soon as they could.
Always found it amusing how the side magazines on SMG's looked annoying to deal with, until you realize most soldiers using them blatantly fired from the hip at near-pointblank targets anyways.
As long as it shat out a lot of bullets quickly and was light weight that's all that mattered.

>>65078120
>my bad
You could have just stopped right here anon. You posted a gun that gets posted every single weird-gun-thread, and it was indeed really cool and I wish it had been adopted at all. But trying to have more of a theme can be helpful sometimes, and that other anons messed up too doesn't change that. Also see above, at least they posted things that rarely come up. Everyone has read about the G11 and watched the neat FW video on how the whole thing worked.

And anything that got used in actual for real combat setting, even as a trial, is reasonable enough for /k/ standards. If the CW had stretched an extra 5 years maybe the G11 would have made it to production which would have been interesting for the history of weapon dev but here we are.

>>65074658
>Molotov bottles were thrown high in the air, and the Platoon Commander burst them one after another with a 12-bore game gun and No. 8 shot.
I'm trying to get AI to generate pics of molotov skeet but it's not behaving.

>>65078024
>Note: discharged later, mentally deficient.
Refuses to spread information people don't need to know, but knows every military action he does to the letter. That's the opposite of mentally deficient!

>>65078142
>no you're not allowed to posst that gun cause it's famous
ok lil bro, my bad. i'll remember not to post it next time in case my lil bro on 4chan gets his frilly panties in a twist

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>>65078249
Hey anon, you ever see one of these? Did you know that you can suppress them!??!!111111

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Krešimir semi-automatic grenade launcher, home developed and adopted by Croatia during their war for independence. Launches ordinary hand grenades using rifle blanks. Notably arming the grenade on a timer fuse before launch, making a dud blank a very exciting experience for the user (and anyone standing nearby).

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To be fair, this was made in limited production and only ever saw use in SWAT and trials but it's a pretty odd duck.

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Japanese type 4 pistol. This is a double-barrel side-by-side 12ga. It was a last-ditch weapon for naval use, being able to shoot flares and also 12ga shells. It's difficult to see in the pic but the sights are offset over the left barrel. This is one of the rarest Japanese weapons from WWII. The last-ditch construction quality was very evident.

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>>65078814
Then on the other extreme we have the Walther SLD made for the Kriegsmarine. This is a double-barrel 4-bore aka 26mm. There was also a single-barrel variant. All the metal is stainless steel for corrosion resistance. The wood grips and forend is unusually nice, like that on a fine sporting rifle. The fit and finish is typical German autism, incredibly nice for a flare gun. These have loaded chamber indicators, cocking indicators, and a switch on the back to select which barrel is being fired. This includes the "doppell schuss" setting that fires both barrels at the same time.

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>>65078814
Pretty sure one of these got used as a prop in the Demolition Man movie.

>>65078860
That's a different Jap flare pistol, the Type 90, which was very common. The 90 was a 4-bore/26mm like the Walther, though not as nice.

>>65065655
dubs detected
imagine the concussion experienced by the pilot
foolish AI

>>65066019
watching that salty tomato sink into the ground on recoil....mmmfmmmm

>>65066019
Whatever happen to siege artillery?

>>65078249
Maybe you should stop being a seething faggot

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>>65079500
Obsoleted by rockets and missiles.

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Swedish pepperbox from 1861. I don't think these were issued but they were tested by the Army.

>>65080478
Real McCoy Space gun.

>>65080549
>i'm about to drop the hammer and dispense some indiscriminate justice!

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>>65080557
I looked this up, and it's way weirder than it initially seems.

It was designed by August Gustaf Reinhold von Feilitze, an inspector of arms at the Husqvarna firearms factory in the 1850s.
The bore size is 9.7mm, so 40-ish caliber. Pretty beefy for a repeating handgun of the day. Presumably it was meant to be a military service sidearm.

The term "pepperbox" doesn't really apply to it.
The barrel cluster doesn't rotate (hence the single fixed front sight).
Instead this pistol uses a rotating hammer, much like the later British Lancaster pistols.
The hammer acts linearly and the percussion cap nipples are installed linearly along the barrel cluster, pointing straight back, to make the gun slimmer.
It's not really double action, the shooter is meant to pull the trigger with his middle finger to rotate the hammer and cock the gun, then fire by using his index finger to press the little nub hanging down from the front of the trigger.
Most interesting of all, this thing is ye-olde high-speed-low-drag OPERATOR shit, it's meant to be carried with a separate pre-loaded barrel cluster and has a quick-change system allowing the shooter to quickly reload the gun by replacing the barrel clusters.
For some reason it's also marked "Based on Colt's patent" despite not being a revolver. If I had to guess, this would be related to Colt's patent on recessing the percussion cap nipples and having some from of walls separating them to prevent chain-fires.
Another neat advantage of this gun compared to a conventional pepperbox or true revolver would be that the caps seem to be mechanically locked in place once the barrel cluster is installed, so they can't fall off, and since the barrels/chambers don't rotate, shards of spent caps clogging the action and causing jams would be less of an issue.

It was tested by the Army in 1863, but I can't find any info about how it performed.
Maybe it a good gun that was just too expensive or technologically advanced for adoption.

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>>65080866
>Pretty beefy for a repeating handgun of the day.
Speaking of beefy early repeating handguns, here is a really rare beast. This pepperbox by John Blissett, London, has a colossal .650 bore and is a proper double-action.

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>>65081032
It's also shockingly nice, I really like the contrast between the blued ribs and the barrels left in the white.

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>>65081036
Blissett is the only maker I know of who was making pepperboxes anywhere near that big. I've also seen a 6-shot .577 model by him, though it was not as nice as the .650. Honestly even this .577 is incredibly rare as most pepperboxes were dinky little pocket guns.

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>>65080866
thanks for sharing those details anon. I remembered some of them from a while back, like the bit about the replaceable barrel clusters, but I didn't know about the rotating striker, even thought that ought to have been clear from the front sight arrangement, I just never thought that hard about it.

Picrel is a really fancy coach gun by Harcourt, 18th century. It has 14" barrels, Snap-acting bayonet on top, waterproof gold-lined pans, sliding safeties, roller frizzens....

>>65081032
Yeah, back in the 1800s the bongs clung tightly to the fallacy that bullet weight was THE primary factor in terms of lethality, regardless of velocity.
So they made a bunch of large-bore handguns, but most of them were meant to be used with tiny powder charges, thus producing pathetic velocities and muzzle energy comparable to .380ACP at best.
I guess when it came to the muzzle loaders each individual shooter could pick his own powder load, but shoving 40 or 50 grains of black powder down the bore of a gun that was proofed with 30gr loads isn't necessarily the best idea.

To put things in perspective, the British army tested .45Colt SAA revolvers pretty extensively and concluded them to be crude and agricultural in nature, technologically obsolescent, and needlessly overpowered for military service by a "civilized" nation.
They (incorrectly) believed they could produce similar ballistic results on flesh with similar projectiles propelled at far lower velocities, to reduce recoil and "improve accuracy".
The 20th century arrived and things like jacketed bullets and smokeless powder were invented allowing for proto-magnum cartridges, such as the various Mars cartridges, the British military were horrified by the brute power and recoil.
So they opted to just load their .455 revolvers with pipsqueak smokeless loads, and adopt a new .38 caliber cartridge so wimpy that makes standard 9x19 target loads look like 10mm +p++ bear ammo by comparison.

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>>65081118
>So they opted to just load their .455 revolvers with pipsqueak smokeless loads
That was sad to see, when just a little earlier they were rocking shit like picrel. The Mars cartridges were no joke, they are highly respectable even by modern standards.