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I have no idea and that information is difficult to find.

>>65065683
Oop, cropped my shit wrong.
That's 75 aircraft losses for Desert Storm's 5 week campaign.

>>65065683
Nigga there is literally a wiki page devoted to all US air losses since the end of the Vietnam War. No, I will no include it.

>>65065738
The fuck is your point retard did you even open the pic or read my self reply.
Are you a shitlips retard.

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>>65065750
>"I have no idea and that information is difficult to find."
>Posts how to find it
>Proceeds to mald like a little bitch
lol (lmao)

>>65065818
>doesn't understand sarcasm
damn, you're autistic as hell

>>65065837
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

>>65065871
So are you saying Muhammid didn't get his brains fucked out in the desert by dark skinned bvlls or is that still true?

>>65065648

1 MQ-4C yesterday too.

The US did very well military wise but did not win. Regime is still there and oil markets are fucked.

>>65065648
How about manned aircraft lost to enemy action?
>5
Wow

>>65065818
Ok you are retarded. Have a nice day.

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>>65065648
RIP little guys...

>>65065683
>>65065688
>iraq downed 75 us craftback before a stealth fighter was a mainline operations unit
>iran got less than 40, most of which were just drones meant to be in a position to be hit
>almost 10% of the iran war numbers were freindly fire
>a huge amount of the not drones damage were parked tankers
>1 (one) stealth fighter hit with a short range IR AAM and still flew back to base.

>>65065648
Yeah I'm thinking the US is doing unfucking believably well when the perspective is all taken into account.

>>65066500
>Yeah I'm thinking the US is doing unfucking believably well when the perspective is all taken into account.
This is true, but Trump is going to surrender in a week anyway because he's a fucking retard.

>>65065936
>Regime is still there
this was never the win condition

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>>65066561
>t-t-t-trust me bro!

>>65065648
Did we ever get confirmation on the F-35, or just a video with no thermal gradation across the plane and its afterburner plume?

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>>65066561
Good. We don't need to be needlessly prolonging wars. We aren't Russians. Afghanistan was considered a loss despite the United States having the overwhelming military advantage throughout the war. If Trump can cook up some half-baked deal with the Iranians I'd say let the bastard do this. All prolonging this shit is going to do is give seething thirdies more ammo in their petty culture wars

>>65066590
It *would* be a nice-to-have. And, frankly, the country may devolve into a mess anyways given that they were teetering on the brink economically to begin with, and it's questionable as to whether the regime can afford to both pay its pet terrorists/regime enforcers *and* provide enough power and water to keep mass casualties and a revolt from happening.

>>65066590
what was?

>>65066609
Pretty sure CENTCOM confirmed an F-35 pilot suffered shrapnel injuries, though I don't recall seeing any reporting on what caused it and where.

>>65066635
>removal of long range missile capacty
>removal of fleet
>removal of proxy networks
>removal of nuclear enrichment

Rubio literally said this on day one, but modern 4chan is literally worse than reddit when it comes to actually reading past headlines.

>>65066635
Control over the Strait of Hormuz and convincing Iran to stop funding terrorist groups and bombing their neighbors unprovoked. Which are goals that are still theoretically on the table. UAE and friends are apparently still continuing their campaign against Iran even during the ceasefire and Orange Man insists that there is increasing military buildup close to Iran's borders

>>65066642
>done none of these things

Mission accomplished

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>>65066642
Moshe

>>65066642
this.

I honestly don't get the ceasefire.

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>>65066748
Trump needs to speculate more, well see more bombing today and tomorow and then hell slowdown as usual

>>65066757
>TACO posting
boomer libshit slop.

>>65066760
this is what we used to call "he mad"
you can just not post bro

>>65066748
He doesn't want to commit to war because he doesn't want to harm his legacy and further damage the economy, call it chickening out or whatever but the fact of the matter was that it was ultimately a kneejerk response to engagements between Iran and Israel that escalated, he well and truly didn't want it to last more than a week and was hoping it would just be a quick military operation like Venezuela.

>>65065648
Yeah, they were all accidents or hit on tne ground....I mean how much brown cope about being shit do you retards have to post? Iran got reamed.

>>65066775
I think they are just giving them a few weeks to gather intel and hammer them again

>>65066652
>did all literally all of those things in the first week

cope and seethe sandnigger

>>65066609
no
>>65066636
they haven't reported anything about shrapnel injures

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>>65066775
Samefag here
I just wanted to clarify, I don't think there's any shame in the Orange Man wanting a peaceful way out to protect his own ego. It's senseless to want to prolong needless violence and give seething thirdies more excuses to be annoying retards on the internet

>>65065956
Man, you really are a whiny bitch.

>>65065818
>>65065874
Are you actually retarded

>>65066636
>>65066815
Source for shrapnel injuries was a news agency, I think NYT. Only official statement on the event was "hard landing" and "pilot is in stable condition." Iran didn't claim the shootdown until after the US statement, so it's entirely possible they weren't even involved. It could have been a bird strike, or shrapnel injuries as a result rather than a cause of the hard landing, with the root cause being a mechanical malfunction or inflight medical emergency.

>>65066775
Didn't Iran walk into the most recent negotiations with the us before this conflict and declare that in ten days time it would have enough enriched material for a dozen warheads?

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>>65065648
>Iran has already fired as many SRBMs and MRBMs as the Pentagon told Congress were estimated to be in the Chinese arsenal last year.
>“Iran has launched roughly 5,156 drones, 2,181 ballistic missiles, and 59 cruise missiles since the war began, according to JINSA data.”
>According to Pakistan, they have an inventory of 15,000 ballistic missiles and 45,000 drones
I wonder what are the real number for both Iran and China: https://x.com/policytensor/status/2042827236013744563

>>65065871
Is that AI? Kek.

>>65066500
>1 (one) stealth fighter hit with a short range IR AAM and still flew back to base.
Was this claim ever confirmed?

>>65066590
Regime change was key to the Israeli pitch to trump and his cabinet that fomented the war
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-before-war-top-us-officials-told-trump-that-netanyahus-regime-change-plan-was-bullshit-farcical/

>>65066610
>Afghanistan was considered a loss
Gee I wonder why?

>>65066942
Source?

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>>65066961
Unlike with western countries were you need €€€ to buy missile iran can just have people build them for free

It's missing a MQ-4C Triton

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Why do Irate-ians fight worse than the GLA from Command and Conquer Generals?

>>65065954
Are you a bot or genuinely retarded?
>>65067009
>times
>of israel
Please, kill yourself.

>>65065648
How did they lose those tankers?

>>65067605
Two collided midair when attempting to land at a base.

>>65066590
>parroting Trump
ah yes and it's the biggest most victorious victory ever the USA ever had because ww2 took 4years for America to win it but Trump won in Iran in a couple of weeks

>>65065936
>oil markets are fucked
Man if only the U.S. was the number one producer of oil and has suzereignty over the nation with the largest proven reserves.

>>65066880
I dunno, but you keep throwing (you)s my way.

>>65066642
/K/opers turning into triggers lmao, but they never were that different were they.

>>65067605
2 collided, the rest were taken out by Iranian Ballistic Missiles and drone strikes while parked in Saudi Arabia

>>65067584
Ofc its always some retard taking issue with any newspaper ever. It was reported by NYT too (which you would see if you were capable of reading more than a paragraph at a time) but I'm sure that's not good enough for you either you actual moron

>>65067889
And it caused no end of thirdie shitposting. To this day its still reported on twitter as "breaking news".

>>65067725
Too bad it's priced globally and new extraction and refining capacity takes actual years to set up and the USG isn't mandating higher production either so we'll have to wait for market incentives to shift too. This is not something the US is insulated from feeling, at all

>>65067930
I guess it's all relative. Oil spiked higher under Biden, but I guess it's only unacceptable when a republican is in office.

What strikes me about the Strait is no country is less dependent on it than the U.S., yet America is expected to open it on behalf of the rest of the world.

>>65066743
Where the aftermath and explosion?

>>65067937
Did you notice how egg price posting went away? Its because its at a 10 year low. No one cares about these things, its all just convenient political points to smack about the head of your opponent in this gay ass neo green-vs-blue team-fight bullshit. It makes me want to tear my fucking hair out.

>>65065936
>Regime is still there
and over there, and there, and some up there

>>65067920
>NYT is quality journalism.
And you have the audacity to call anyone else a moron.

>>65066802
>>did all literally all of those things in the first week

>removal of long range missile capacty
Still intact and still was firing right up until the ceasefire
>removal of fleet
Only their large ships were sunk not the thousands of speedboats with antiship missiles
>removal of proxy networks
All of their proxies are still present and operating in their normal areas
>removal of nuclear enrichment
They still have intact nuclear plants as well as their enriched uranium

>>65067920
It's more that the Times of Israel is owned by the party oppositional to the Likud party which is run by Bibi and thus has a vested interest in talking shit. For the record I hate all jews and want them all dead but Likud is the party which panders to the ultraorthodox and expansionist voter bases while the opposition wants to act more like Jew York jews and not stir the pot. After about half money Likud was throwing around in Gaza got funneled towards their enemies they've been on the shit list even for other ultrazionists.

>>65067937
>Oil spiked higher under Biden,
Give it time. Tankers move at the speed of a bicycle and take months to transit so many are still en route. If this continues at pace the actual supply crunch will be felt by everyone on the planet
>America is expected to open it
"You break it, you bought it"

>>65068094
The prices have little to do with supply and are more dependent upon what commodity speculators think they can pump it up to. I wish the oil companies got paid directly by the consumer instead going through jewy middle men, but I'm a petroleum geologist so that's only natural.

>>65068061
I dont like it any more than you do but being the paper of record for 100 years comes with its privileges like being the first with insider level insight on world events. If you cant suspend your criticism to consider new information nothing I can post will be amenable to you besides whatever Twitter anons you're mutuals with, which is the modern say newspaper for morons like you.
>>65068075
I only posted that article because the NYT one was paywalled. Information sources with clear biases can still be parsed for insight. You should be reading everything critically anyway. The point is that regime change was a focal point of discussion from the very beginning

>>65068103
>The prices have little to do with supply
That can't possibly be true, remove 20% of something valuable from a market and its price will adjust upward. This is basic economics

>>65066757
This concept died with Maduro's cuban guard.

>>65068068
>Only their large ships were sunk not the thousands of speedboats with antiship missiles
Well where are they?

>>65068094
>give it time
That's all you retards say. I'm sick of the-sky-is-falling predictions from biased morons.

>>65068119
That explains nothing about how or why a price "has" to change.

>>65068188
>anon with a goldfish tier attention span and room temperature IQ gets mad when things dont happen immediately in front of his stupid face
Many such cases!

>>65068205
>prices change when demand outstrips supply
Whoaaaa

>>65068207
Just like
>raising tariffs
>closing the border
>cutting taxes and regs
>deploying the nasty girls to inner cities
>bombing drug boats
>yoinking maduro
Maybe if you right about anything you'd have an ounce of credibility

>>65065648
when did the MC130Js get destroyed?
When did the 4 MH6Ms get destroyed?

>>65067889
were the 4 that were parked actually confirmed beyond a bad AI image?

>>65068278
During the rescue of the F-15 WSO last weekend

>>65068278
Got stuck on a farm field and were destroyed.

>>65068205
In simple terms, person A is willing to pay more to get it while person B wont/can't so person B loses supply. Have you never done business before?

>>65068278
They were destroyed by withdrawing American forces to prevent their capture by Iranian forces.

>>65068278
I legit don't think they ever intended to even get the Little Birds out. They are (relatively) cheap and simply not worth the effort to try and recover.

>>65068528
The little birds were in the C-130s.

>>65068210
that. doesn't. explain. why. it. happens.
>>65068470
That's not an explanation for why a price needs to go up.
In the case of on demand production industries the price goes up when they cant sell the same volume because they have fixed costs and income requirements.
So if Company only has 80% of the oil delivery available, just to meet their same costs as before, they need to increase the price by 25% (0.8 times 1.25 = 1) to not lose money or go into debt.

This is not connected with nor has anything to do with social-demand pricing, which is a situation where supply and demand have limited to no actual effect on a company's financial needs and a product leader arbitrarily sets a price floor or ceiling regardless of their true costs and requirements. Like Nvidia's GPUs, or the RAM and SSD/HDD manufacturers.


I specifically asked for an explanation, an actual explanation. I did not ask you to repeat the useless shit you've heard your entire unthinking life.

The loss rates aren't that low considering how many sorties have been flown but the US should be concerned that the losses that there are skew heavily towards strategic aircraft, especially tankers. The KC-135 fleet is creaking at the seams with KC-46 rollout being agonisingly slow. A crucial E3 destroyed with its replacement likely years away thanks to dysfunction in American military procurement.

>>65068569
Aren't that high I mean

>>65068548
What evidence do you have that oil is dictated by social demand pricing? Also, I believe a easy way to picture the current situation is to imagine a “quantity ceiling” to the left of the equilibrium, which would obviously mean higher prices due to shortage.

>>65068569
>the US should be concerned that the losses that there are skew heavily towards strategic aircraft, especially tankers
One E-3 destroyed that's being replaced next year, two KC-135s destroyed out of 376 in service

>>65068546
No they weren't. Look at the photos/video. They were clearly seperate and showed no signs of attempts to disassemble.

>>65068569
You're right to say that these losses are not inconsequential, but you are incorrect to present them as an existential concern.
Hyopthetically: If the meta strategy here was to remove Iran off the playing board before a showdown with China, this was a shrewd move and was done on the cheap.

>>65068119
>Be US
>Be net oil exporter
>Foreign supply is constrained
>E.G. competition is lessened
>Now I have to charge more for my product, despite not having to incur any more costs.
It's greed and (((bankers))) And economics is gay and not a science. It's akin to psychology.

>>65068610
Two confirmed destroyed but I think it more likely that all 8 are destroyed. But while even that isn't a drop in the bucket on paper it's the manner in which these aircraft are being destroyed that's concerning. Most hit on the ground parked on the open - parking tankers and AWACS in the range of enemy ground-launched munitions is just stupid. The KC-135s that were definitely destroyed were likely mechanical failures because these planes are ancient and overworked. If this is what we get in a war with China it's going to be really bad, not only will these old planes be subject to a much greater workrate and strain that comes with it, but they're also going to be hunted by Chinese fighters. If they're also parking them in the open within Chinese missile range than these planes will be depleted extremely quickly. A war with China won't be anything like the war with Iran.

>>65068650
>its CONCERNING
Its not.

Shut the fuck up, Chang.

>>65068637
But Iran isn’t off the playing board? They still have military assets that are keeping the strait closed, giving them leverage in the upcoming negotiations. Assuming negotiations are successful, this would necessitate continued monitoring and military counterbalancing unless we want to give up all geopolitical standing in the Middle East.

>>65068656
If they dont play ball, we will just keep killing them.

>>65065648
Losses are minimal all things considered, and this conflict really is a testament to the true strength of American airpower.

However this war is a strategic blunder that was very poorly thought out and has not left America with any material benefits that couldn't have been achieved with a far more precise strike or simply not starting the war in the first place. It's fucking up a large part of the global economy. Between American bumbling and lack of forewarning for its allies will tarnish the diplomatic legitimacy and security of America for a while to come.

I am glad to hear that India is melting down over the oil and fertilizer prices however. That was a pleasant surprise, and I hope the war continues until India is forced to declare bankruptcy

>>65068654
I'm British so it's not really any of my business. I mean, I'd rather Taiwan not get taken over by China and I don't want yet another fucking global economic shock. But I can't tell America what to do. If you guys want to blunder into a conflict in the Pacific without being prepared I can't stop you.

>>65066748
Most of the military targets are gone, so what's left? A cease-fire now is a bit like a time-out. Both sides are re-assessing their own situation and their opponents'. The US is presumably studying who's left in command, where they are, and where to strike next if the peace talks fall through. The IRGC is trying to consolidate power over the government, and the various surviving government officials are trying to stay on top. We're not going to know a lot of the details of what's happening behind the scenes for a long time--and will probably never know all of the maneuvering happening across the various factions (and even individuals) within Iran.

In the larger picture, however, Iran is still facing an internal deadline of sorts as its economy circles the drain. The mismanagement of the drought, the inability to provide reliable power and water, the outright theft of some of what little money Iranians had left in the bank in order to pay off the IRGC and its regime-enforcement pets, it's all worse than it was a couple months ago, and it won't get any better. The Iranian president was warning that another three weeks of combat would break them, and they might break anyway. The IRGC, meanwhile, has imported some of its pet terrorists from Iraq to use as palace guards. Will the Persian people revolt, or knuckle under, especially against imported arab enforcers? There's a lot of stuff that nobody knows for sure, and everybody is trying to make their own position look better.

This is the backdrop for the peace talks. Whether they succeed or fail, and who "wins", is yet to be determined. At the very least, however, Iran is short on missiles and *may* be short on missile and explosives production (the US probably knows, but obviously isn't talking about the details). They have basically no navy and may not have much of their irregular navy left. Ditto their air force. The rest? That's classified--for now.

>>65068660
Yes, but will we be able to kill them dead enough that there is full certainty that the strait is safe for cargo to pass within a reasonable time period? The only way I see that playing out successfully is with a ground invasion which is dumb or WMDs which are really, REALLY dumb.

>>65068665
The UK no longer has an active navy. Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>65068689
Strait being closed is not a problem for the US.

>>65068650
>Two confirmed destroyed but I think it more likely that all 8 are destroyed.
Are you fucking retarded? Two of those 8 collided with each other midair, we have photos of the one that returned to base and it's clearly not a total loss.

Another was destroyed in the same attack as the E-3s, and the last five were damaged in a separate strike and it's been officially stated that they were being repaired soon after it happened a month ago. They're probably flying again already.

>>65068094
>"You break it, you bought it"
...only seems to apply to the US, for some reason. Never to any other nation.

>>65068094
>Give it time.
>If this continues at pace the actual supply crunch will be felt by everyone on the planet
You're literally retarded. Oil is traded like any other commodity. Prices are down across the board.

>>65068115
Not him, but given that they've never even apologized for Duranty or handed back his Pulitzer, why should they have any claim for being the "paper of record"?

>>65068650
While I agree with the others regarding the numbers, you do have a valid point: we really, really need to be building hangars, including in CONUS. They don't have to be massively hardened, but enough to withstand multiple small drones impacting on the same spot trying to cut their way through. It'll be expensive, but it needs to be done, because if the PRC goes all out, they'll likely be using saboteurs within the US armed with drones. Obviously, whatever good anti-drone systems (not just jammers) are in the works need to also be sped along, put into mass production, and deployed to all major bases.

>>65068751
>we really, really need to be building hangars
We're not allowed to build whatever the fuck we want on airbases we don't own, though.

>>65068779
I meant the ones we *do* own, of course. And if we offer to pay for them, a lot of countries will accept free hangars on their bases. But, yes, you're correct about the Saudis being reticent in this case.

>>65068656
Can you define the word "hypothetically" for me, please?

>>65068795
>Graciously pay to install hardened shelters on a Saudi airbase
>Destroy your relationship with them when you insist that they pull their aircraft out during wartime so you can store yours
Sounds like a lose-lose to me.

>>65068637
>Hyopthetically: If the meta strategy here was to remove Iran off the playing board before a showdown with China, this was a shrewd move and was done on the cheap.
That was in fact the idea of this war, but it was a stupid idea from the beginning because Iran was a tougher opponent than China would have been. We should have have done it in the opposite order.

>>65065818
Misquotation.

>>65068847
That seems pretty far-fetched on its face. Would you care to explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

>>65068905
He's a retard. China is obviously a far larger threat. Military power aside, the U.S. economy is vastly more interdependent on China than any pressure point available to Iran.

>>65066764
anon is right only total faggots use that meme it's the fastest way to identify you as one of them.

>>65068805
I was responding to the stated hypothetical. hypothetically if this was a successful plan then yes, it would have been a shrewd move. But the hypothetical was that this was a plan to disable Iran, which is something that has simply not provably happened.

>>65068905
China is a food and energy importer and the US has de facto control of their shipping lanes. They've only had a real military for about fifteen or twenty years, and most of their hardware is implessive clones of American hardware that will be of little use against the real thing.

Iran is, of course, an energy exporter, and actually a food exporter as well despite the fact that it makes no financial sense for them and they've destroyed their country to do it. They have de facto control of some of the most strategically important straits in the world (Hormuz and Bab al'Mandab). They've been preparing for a war with the US specifically for fifty years, and a lot of their tech is designed specifically to be quick to produce and effective against a more technologically advanced adversary. They also still have living veterans of the Iran-Iraq war, not to mention ongoing minor regional conflicts. Institutional knowledge is an important factor, and China's institutional knowledge of war consists of human waves half a century ago and whatever they've learned from playing COD and watching action movies.

>>65068751
>>65068650
>chang samefagging

>>65069023
>which is something that has simply not provably happened.
bait

>>65069023
That wasn't a rhetorical question on my part.

>>65068847
>because Iran was a tougher opponent than China would have been.
This is beyond the most retarded post I've ever seen here.

>>65069031
Is there anything that can be said to you or show to you that would convince you that you have a misapprehension on the state of things? If so, what?

>Losing 2 AWACs to some third world brown hole in a 2 week skirmish
Yikes

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>>65065648
Now let's see the iranian losses chart, I'm curious to see one.

>>65069214
No internet, no OSINT BDA possible. How convenient.

>>65069256
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2042818268742697383

The fact there's nine minutes of targeting pod footage of CENTCOM is telling.

>>65069194
Yes, surely China's non-stealth aircraft would have been more effective than Iran's. Surely China's HQ-9Bs would have been more effective than Iran's. Surely China's toy navy would have been more effective than Iran's.

Oh, but China has more factories than Iran! Let's see how much they'll be producing after each taking a precision Tomahawk strike.

>>65069262
I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

>>65065648
isn't it 5 F-15E's? 3 shot down over Kuwait in one day, 1 shot down by a Kuwaiti F/A-18, one downed in Iran.
>Stratotankers
Two destroyed at PSAB, one turned into a charred wreck and the other had its entire nose section destroyed, possibly 4 others damaged at the same strike, 1 more damaged in the air collision (along with the one that crashed).

>F-35
one definitely hit and damaged, one possibly crashed in eastern Saudi, one implied damaged and landed with the pilot "in stable condition".

not mentioned in this graph:
one F/A-18 damaged by MANPADS to its ass

Ground losses are too massive and overwhelming to count, but pretty much every American base in the eastern gulf region is either complete rubble or heavily damaged.

>>65069335
Obviously Iran has suffered pretty horrendously based on what has been publicly released. Considering 1) it's just the tip of the iceberg and 2) it shows the extent of US air superiority.

>>65069338
>complete rubble
Come the fuck on.

>>65069262
>9 minutes of blowing up empty stuff, trucks, abandoned TELs, random empty buildings, useless AD systems
>Has to chalk it up as a win because he can't actually win

>>65069344
>we didn't need those TELs or AD systems anyway
lmao

>>65069348
>we didn't need the strait anyway
>now ceasefire please and send help
lmao

>>65069344
>if you fly over your enemy's country and bomb them with impunity they win

>can’t keep (((transnationals))) from poisoning the well
>pay them lavishly instead
>can’t kick Arabs off a stretch of beach
>will be paying them instead
So this is the power of ZOG

>>65069352
>if you turn your enemies to a regional power with claim over one of the most strategic straits in the world, you win

>>65069351
>ayatollah dead
>new ayatollah (gay) maimed
>navy gone
>air force gone
>Burkes sailing through the strait
>Israel still mauling Hezbollah as we speak
>Shake JD Vance's hand anyway
Total thurdie humiliation

>>65069357
>Iran is a regional power because it can drop a couple mines into the ocean
This is some delicious cope.

>>65069338
>1 shot down by a Kuwaiti F/A-18
That was just a different angle of one of the three.

>one definitely hit and damaged, one possibly crashed in eastern Saudi, one implied damaged and landed with the pilot "in stable condition".
These were all the same event. There's circumstantial evidence that it was damaged by Iranian fire, but claims that it crashed were outright lies.

>one F/A-18 damaged by MANPADS to its ass
There was no evidence of damage.

>every American base in the eastern gulf region is either complete rubble or heavily damaged.
ror, rmao. Vely implessive.

>>65069359
>ayatollah dead
Regime change failed.
>>new ayatollah (gay) maimed
desperate reaching
>>navy gone
useless deadweight gone, now Iran can focus on what works; drones, underground rockets, and a low-cost speedboat based navy.
>>Burkes sailing through the strait
on Iran's permission.
>>Israel still mauling Hezbollah as we speak
strange you bring up Israel in this, are you sure you're American?
>>Shake JD Vance's hand anyway
it's good they shook his hand instead of blow off his head, thankfully they're not perfidious jews.

>>65069361
>you have a deadline of 2* days to open the strait
>*subject to extension
>also please send help
>and ceasefire please

>>65069368
So why would the ceasefire hold if Iran was so clearly winning and killing all the American pigdogs?

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>>65069362
>but claims that it crashed were outright lies
Chinook did SAR in eastern Saudi Arabia right after reports of a damaged F-35.

>ror, rmao. Vely implessive.
asshurt troon, go beg china to help you open the strait of Hormuz. maybe even beg them for a loan to help you rebuild your wrecked bases.

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>>65069364
>useless deadweight gone

>>65069373
Because you're begging for it, unfreezing their assets, lifting sanctions, and signaling submissiveness. Why would Iran not take that?

>>65069364
>we didnt need it

>>65069376
It's a good thing that sneed only took out some of the computers inside and not the actual radar arrays. It might have been expensive to fix otherwise.

>>65069049
>>65069023
You know, I really should have checked the news today. Strait is open I guess lol.

>>65066802
So why haven't we gone home yet if we already accomplished all of objectives?

Friendly reminder that the Strait of Hormuz is an international waterway under the Law of the Sea Convention and the shipping lanes are actually outside of Iranian territorial waters. There's no way for Iran to sustain its objective of having the Strait placed under its sovereignty. That requires recognition the international community will not grant and cooperation from the US Senate which will never materialize for even a bilateral a treaty with Iran.

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>>65066594
>>65066500
>>65069361
>1 month

still has not recaptured Hormuz

>>65069406
I don't think the Iranians are going to give two shits about International Law seeing how Israel openly violates it with impunity. They have the military means to enforce their ownership of the strait, and now tangible justification to invoke that claim.

>>65069384
So Iran is listening to a weak enemy instead of destroying them? Doesn't make much sense. Sounds... Jewish.

>>65069406
International doesnt mean shit, though.

Trump and Bibi already called quits, and the Euros are too weak and cowardly to go to war with Iran.

Therefore Iran wins.

>>65069417
>They have the military means to enforce their ownership of the strait
Eh, not really
>and now tangible justification to invoke that claim.
Definitely not.

>>65065648
Now how many Iranian aircraft were lost? I don't really see anyone talking about Iran's losses

>>65069406
Iran isn't an UNCLOS signatory, they aren't bound to respect free passage. It will come down to the willingness of other countries to enforce it, and if Trump signs a treaty saying the US won't enforce the right of free passage through the strait, no one is going to. The frogs and chinks are cucks and no one else could do it if they wanted.

>>65069443
>Trump signs a treaty
The president doesn't ratify treaties.

>>65069446
He can still refuse to do anything about the strait for three years. Even if Congress pulls their heads out of their asses long enough to formally declare war on Iran, the military can't do anything about the strait if he tells them not to.

>>65069459
That is already failing to materialize

>>65065648
Where's the graphic about the ground asset losses? Several THAAD radars were hit, and the PAVE PAWS too

>>65070088
>Several THAAD radars were hit
Only one would be on the list of US asset losses.
>and the PAVE PAWS too
Not American either.

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>>65065818
The Ayatollah and his regime are winning because they're willing to actually fight and die to control Iran.
By contrast, the Shah's son is a lazy NEET, and he and his followers are cowards who want to watch from the comfort and safety of the west while expecting *other people* to risk it all so they can benefit.
In fact, there are probably more LGBT+ redditors who've volunteered to fight for Ukraine than have Iranian Americans expressed any real willingness to fight and die to take back Iran.

>>65065936
>>65065648
as stated beforehand, the minimal losses and the lack of actual achievement is the result of meager forces involved, compared to Iraq at least.
1 carrier vs 5
11000 sorties vs over 100000.
shit intervention which was designed to fail.

>>65069417
Since when has Iran given a shit about international law? That's half the reason Soleimani got whacked, because he was a dumb terrorist nigger and deserved a lawn mowing.

>>65066642
You can do all of that and they will just rebuild it.

The truth is that Anon is right and you retards have no win condition. You've put yourselves in a losing position and now even escalation makes you look weak. Absolutely retarded from start to finish

>>65065648
Did Iraq take out any AWACS on the ground? Stratotankers?
Stealth Fighter Jets?

>>65072592
I know they snuck onto a base during the early days and took out some Apaches. Other than that only think I know about is just light damage from mortar attacks. I never read or heard anything about any total losses.

>>65072304
They never allowed inspectors full access as they promised they would.

>>65066500
Be fair. Stealth drones should be having a field day, but have a Hugh mortality rate. That's unexpected.

>>65065648
just call it "OP aipac fury" ffs
put those freedom fries in the bag man

>>65070313
israel is a dumb terrorist nigger and deserves lawn mowing all the more if your reasoning is consistently applied, you slimy rat
but yeah, fuck the irgc, bunch of cunts
death to israel

>>65069364
>drones, underground rockets, and a low-cost speedboat based navy.

yeah lol just go all in on chariots, surely that wont backfire.

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>>65076517
A chinese ship went through the american blockade already

>>65076524
>A chinese ship went through the american blockade already
Source?

>>65076524
a chinese ship that wasnt heading for iran, yes. that last bit of info is missing in every thread and tweet even tho people link the article that says so.

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>>65066775
The war crime threat was clearly a bluff to try to get Iran to cave and agree to the 15 point American plan and when it was clear that wasn't going to happen, it was TACO time since trump agreed to Iran's 10 point plan, which he was rejecting for weeks, and the cease fire. Of course that deal would amount to trump surrendering to Iran, which is why he immediately broke the cease fire to try a blockade now.
Also god knows how much war profiteering trump has been doing through the poly and speculation markets.

As for what happens now? Your guess is as good as mine, Iran just needs to survive and keep prices up until the midterms. Meanwhile trump is stuck in a spot with no good options since he just found out that going out of your way to antagonize America's traditional allies does you no good when you need their help. He could follow through with the war crime threat of bombing iran back to the stone age. But then the iranians would go 'Upgrade!'.

>>65076509
Holy shit that's brutal, this is a blue board, anon. Bring the boys home, if Iran is capable of that, all US forces should immediately withdraw from the region.

>>65069441
Not sure but they still have operational fighters and attack helicopters, as they proved by flying them over Tehran during the ceasefire over the past few days.