>>65070572
Drones threaten the relevance of infantry in warfare and that offends many people on an emotional level. Anyone looking at it rationally could have told you they would be important in 2022 and even way earlier.
That said, drones are a case where the drone is cheaper and easier to field than the countermeasures. Ukraine has few of those. Future wars between first rate powers will have more.

>>65070572
>>65070579
Samefag OP.

Your drones didn't save the Ayatollah so scuttle on back to /pol/

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>>65070581

>>65070579
>>65070581
>>65070583
I wasn't even talking about the iran situation, because I don't know much about it. I was talking purely about ukraine.

>>65070572
>blockaded the strait of Hormuz against the US military will
Trump just announced that the US will be the ones blockading.

Are drones actually relevant to blocking the strait? Seems to me normal missiles can do that just the same.
I know ukraine has had success with seaborne drones, does iran have similar things?

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Drones are irrelevant to DEW equipped militaries.

>Ukrainefag shills are now arguing with Jewish agitprop shills
>the goblins are infighting with the gremlins

>>65070608
They are relevant insofar as it means that Iran can assemble munitions capable of locking down the strait in someone's back shed, instead of needing advanced electronics and an entire factory to manufacture something good enough for the job. This is a very useful capability when the US is bombing every strategically relevant target with impunity, because it allows Iran to disperse its drone manufacturing enough that the US can't shut it down entirely.

I hate thirdie shills, but I hate smug American as well. Hard to know who to root for.

>>65070617
Gonna be interesting. Defeating recon drones will be really useful. Attack drones on the other hand may be able to fly too low to be defeated in time.
And DEW can also defeat artillery and the likes. Is that the way for tanks to come back into the game?

>>65070624
Good point.

>>65070600
its his plan all along, someone has to buy the venezuelan oil

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>>65070624
>instead of needing advanced electronics and an entire factory to manufacture something good enough for the job.
You need pretty advanced factories to produce these electronics (they are in USA though so America can't bomb them).

>>65070664
Does china produce comparable electronics?

>>65070681
They don't make anything in the same class as the FPGA. They make comparable chips to the rest, but in very small numbers. China's entire semiconductor industry combined would add up to be the fifth or sixth largest foundry in the world, they don't actually make many chips.

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>>65070572
>completely stopped the Russian military advance
The Russian advance was stopped by artillery, ATGMs, etc. with drones helping finish off abandoned vehicles to prevent them from being recovered and repaired.
Once the fight became more of a stalemate and both sides reinforced their positions, the drone became more and more relevant.
>blockaded the strait of Hormuz
This was done with missiles, mines, etc and basically increased insurance rates.
It's not that running through the Hormuz will get you killed by drone, but the risk is high to the point no shipping company wants to do it without insurance coverage.

>there were a lot of anons here (majority maybe even) who claimed that drones are an afterthought
Retards who have no idea about real war, clutching to the old way. Simple as.

>>65070579
Who operates the drones though?

>>65070579
I'm sure drones are going to put an end to the use of infantry just like artillery, machine guns, tanks, airplanes, etc all did.

>>65070579
Military systems aren't made obsolete by being vunerable they are made obsolete by something else being better at their role or their role no longer being required.
Nothing is anywhere near being able to fill the role of infantry and the role isn't going away any time soon.

There will be a heap of drone defences built, some will work, some won't and ultimately the infantry will continue to serve in a more dangerous enviroment with more threats.
Same happened when bi-planes started dropping grenades on infantry and today infantry is still pretty fucked if they are spotted by ground attack aircraft.

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>supremacy

Wrong. >>65062297

>>65070617
We need more and better versions of it.

>>65071531
Not really. Russians initially tried to do the massive armor pushed, which were fucked up by drones, AT weapons, artillery and so on. Pretty conventional overall. Then they've ran out of armor to continue such attacks and switched to wider human wave attacks and those specifically got fucked up by the newer FPV drones.

>>65072067
>which were fucked up by drones
They dropped grenades in the open hatches of static armored vehicles. Abandoned but likely to be recaptured and repaired during advance. Mines, artillery, missiles, the mud, etc stopped the armor, the drone only finished them off 90% of the time.

>>65071961
>limited by rain, smoke, dust, clouds, fog and other atmospheric interference which scatter the beam.
>significant amount of energy to fire, 60-120 kW
>range of 5 to 6 miles in ideal conditions

>>65072091
>significant amount of energy to fire, 60-120 kW
Only for a couple of seconds, though. It's only a problem for Burkes which have extremely limited power generation.

>>65072090
Not only, remember the initial pushes: a ton of shit was blow up by missiles from TB-2s. Also, the grenade drops killed a lot of manpower.

>>65070581
US/Iran has no ground sustainment, it is a war destined to fail as air supremacy isn't enough unless you can bomb every car and building in the country.

>>65072090
>Abandoned but likely to be recaptured and repaired during advance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No. Most of the losses nowadays are from drones even with the huge amount of netting on the new tanks.

>>65072091
Seems perfect for drone swatting desu

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>>65070572
>>blockaded the strait of Hormuz against the US military will

>>65070579
maybe intelligence gathering infantry and other long range specialist roles, drones are just better at those. still need regular infantry to occupy territory, at least until someone invents a cheap robot to do this.

>>65072112
I am sure Iran can survive without water and power.

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>>65071961
They''re coming. They are working on 600 kw
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/08/us-navy-and-missile-defense-agency-megawatt-lasers-by-2023-2024.html

>>65070608
Not for the reason people think they are.

The only reason the strait is "Blocked" is because none of the ships (Ignoring Iranian or Chinese one) are insured. So they won't risk going through and getting hit with no insurance.

There was 1 company that insured all ships that went through the strait (Lloyds of London) but were basically pressured by their government to stop insuring the ships because of how many Muslims live in the UK that they don't' want to piss off.

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Autonomous drone swarms are the future of warfare. Imagine a 1000 of these things being released at the same time onto a platoon sized element holed up in a trench or something. There's literally nothing you can do.

>>65073216
Except destroying them at their origin or in transport, you brainlet.

>>65073232
Yeah no shit retard. If you drop a nuke on a tank factory tanks become obsolete as well. I obviously meant on a tactical level.
Right now in Ukraine, soldiers (from both sides) are reporting that drone spam is by far and away their biggest annoyance. Even if they so much as go on a simple patrol they get harassed by drones literally every 5-10 minutes. If you could magically 10x those numbers with an overwhelming technology and material advantage, it would basically shut down infantry movement completely.

>>65070572
Yeah

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>>65073216
>PGMs your staging area because you were stupid enough to mass a thousand of anything in the same location
Your move, dumbass.

>>65072117
>nowadays
not the time period being talked about
most drones were dropping the RGD5s in 2022
they weren't doing the FPV with RPG-7 warhead thing

>>65070581
keep seething, foreskin-muncher. the strait is closed

>>65072209
>jidf shill trying to convince anyone that the strait was never closed

>>65073204
distinction without difference

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>>65070572
Non-Americans effectively use drones because they're used for close air support.

Americans suck at using drones because they use them for "strategic bombing," ie budget B-52s.

The independent Air Force was a mistake.

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>>65070579
>Drones threaten the relevance of infantry in warfare
Even worse. They threaten the relevance of mechanized infantry and armor. Maneuver warfare doctrine post-WW2 is as out of date as colorful uniforms, muskets, and drummer boys.

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For all bipedal drone targets what are the most effective methods for not getting FPV'd?

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>>65072091
>>significant amount of energy to fire, 60-120 kW
Modern school physics education is atrocious if it's victims believe that 120 kW is a lot in the year 2026...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangwang_U8

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>>65076329
the amount of cope that comes out of you seething retards is really something to watch.

>>65070581
you ok, Ivan?

>>65072209
odd cope

>>65070572
drones are only relevant because because nobody takes war seriously anymore. for example, ballistic missiles are several times more cost-effective than shahed-type drones, but manufacturing them at scale takes much more time to get going so nobody can make enough

>>65079803
I don't think you understand what cost effective means. Like PRSM missile is 70 times more expensive than Shahed

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>>65076334
>Maneuver warfare doctrine post-WW2 is as out of date as colorful uniforms, muskets, and drummer boys.
Objection

>>65070572
>that drones are an afterthought
Incorrect and a strawman, people made fun of thirdies that kept insisting it was a dreadnought-moment wumderwaffe that would replace everything else and make other conventional weapons obsolete, and it did not.
>blockades the straight of hormuz
They haven’t, the bigger issue is genuinely the mines.

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>>65070621
>and other fantasies i cook up inside my deranged contrarian head

>>65079978
This doesn’t have anything to do with my post anon.

>>65079981
There is clear from mines path you can sail.

>>65079966
They waited for a decade until the Syrian regime rots away and russians got bogged down in Ukraine, so it's not a maneuver thing, it's a "just kick open the door and the whole rotten structure will come falling down" type of thing.

>>65077060
physics tardation aside, that is a hideous suv.

>>65080029
>that is a hideous suv.
As most modern and/or chink things are.

>>65080002
Point is maneuver warfare is possible of you have overmatch over enemy. If anything drones actually make maneuver capacity of superior side even better.
Before drones if your run light force on technicals and you run into bunkers and tanks you got problems. ATGM (but they themselves are kinda of proto drones) partially solved this problem but not fully.
Today if you sit in T-55 parked over hill or in a bunker you aren't gonna stop rolling drone armed force, they would just snipe your fire point from 10 km away with drone that fits into car easy peasy.
This is what happened with Syrian army.

>>65080029
It's gypsy gaudy. Like 3rd worlders like their cars (aka 90% of potential buyers have such mindset). Needs more gold plating though.

>>65080168
>This is what happened with Syrian army.
Does not help either that the syrian army rotted away very hard. The combat footage that I remember the most from the 2024 syrian rebel offensive showed 2 rebel tanks followed by 2 BMP-1's physically running over syrian army technicals on a road and the goverment troops looked like rebels since they all had random uniforms or plain t-shirts while the actual rebels looked like army troops since they all had somehow standardized military uniforms/gear so they all looked professional.

The Rebels also had very cool looking FPV ground launched v1 looking cruise missiles that they used to hit army positions.

>>65075533
>>65075551
>>65079079
>>65079082
Take it easy, niggerfaggot.

I wonder if there’s a place for a small prop plane with guns to score gun kills on shahed size stuff. Not a total solution but it seems like large interceptors have trouble getting close enough/slow enough for gun kills. Sure, they could just use a missile, but that’s very expensive. Doesn’t Ukraine have guys in little Cessnas shooting drones down with mk18s? lol.