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>>65072913
Expecting your soldiers to behave like professionals and not cannibal niggers is a western mindset. You wouldn't get it.

>>65072913
>If you're fighting a counter-insurgency against guerillas
The way you win is how the British defeated the Boers. Round them up and starve them out. Scour the damn countryside until everyone capable of fighting back is either dead or in one of the concentration camps. They call that "Genocide" these days, though.

>not get involved in such wars?
Don't start a war is the first rule of foreign policy. Unfortunately, that's not a policy choice available to Israel's most loyal golem.

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>>65072913
The primary means of defeating insurgents is through infiltrators and garrison forces. Guerrilla forces are to be cut off and defeated through conventional means. Utilizing the local elites working for you to bring order.

Afghanistan and most other western adventures into COIN fail because:
>There are no strategic objectives
>Poor to nonexistent integration of local elites
>No elites mean no HUMINT which means no ability to figure out whos a civvie and whos an insurgent
>Ideologically led thinking that instituting democracy will magically manifest stability when the role of the COIN/sponsor should be that of a dictator reigning in the elites who are willing to cooperate and destroying and replacing the ones that don't
>Thinking that setting up a platoon sized combat outpost and conducting presence patrols where soldiers hand out MRE's and water bottles will get people on your side

You only butcher the populace when you're an empire looking to colonize a new region or when you have royally fucked up the COIN operation but you also have to still win. tl;dr it's not about being more violent for the sake of violence, it's about not being an ideologically delusional retard and understanding the realities of what COIN and warfare and general are.

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Reminder, literally all the dude had to do was shut the fuck up, and he would've gotten off scot free. The media storm passed, and nobody cared anymore until he tried to sue the news groups that'd covered the story years ago.

>>65073037
Yep, yappy cunt

>>65072913
someone stupid enough to videotape themselves doing crimes should be charged regardless of opinion on the validity of the law. just too god damn dumb to go free.

>>65072913
Absolutely. But discretion is crucial, because even if you or I know and understand that the unarmed faggot with the radio who suspiciously hangs out by the road to the FOB is the one coordinating attacks on your patrols, factually your average joe does not see the distinction or nuance and for you to take the snitch out would in his eyes be a callous and indefensible act of murder. So you should approach it as the imprisonable crime which it is. That is to say, you don't kill him right in front of foreign pilots who don't necessarily know the score, you don't take gopro or you switch it off beforehand, you don't mention it in AARs or if you do you say they were armed, you don't make any mention of it in books or on podcasts; and if it ever comes up you deny everything. The British army had an unwritten shoot on sight policy towards locals in Basra carrying phones and nobody ever got charged, because everybody had the good sense to keep their fucking mouths shut; something apparently lost on the Australians.

>>65072913
oh shit! this is the first time I see the clear version. typically the executioner's head is blurred out.

>>65073019
The best way to defeat insurgents is to not be such a massive cunt that the population tolerates an insurgency. The gap between popular expectations and authority's demands has to be small enough that nobody rational is willing to risk everything to try and fix it with violence. This is the only moral answer.

>>65073093
That implies legitimacy of government comes from the people. History says otherwise. Ideally they like you more than the insurgents, but even if they don't, it doesn't matter. Elites are what matter because elites are the ones with power. You can say the same thing about the mafia. A lot of people were terrorized by the mafia, did that stop the mafia? No, why? Because the mafia had power.

This nation as an example was not founded on some bullshit liberalism concept of by the people for the people. That was the rational afterthought to make the reality seem prettier. This country was founded by men willing to commit violence and had the power to do so and usurped the ones in control.

a lil cringe to make the same thread on two different boards, an hour apart.

>>65072998
>Don't start a war is the first rule of foreign policy
>foreign policy never fails
Boohoo.

>>65072913
Maybe
But as anons above said, he talked too much about it so he had to be made an example of

>>65073019
>it's about not being an ideologically delusional retard
The people attempting COIN these days can't even build their own nations nondysfunctionally let alone other people's nations

>>65073093
Imbecile.

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>>65072913
Accidentally clapping a civi happens, executing kids on the ground them dropping radios on their body to claim they were spotters is not the same.
I'm an aussie and want to see these cunts in prison 6 years ago instead of the lawyer that reported on it.
>treat POWs well
>get lots of surrenders
>take less casualties
>have to fight less

>execute civilians
>the whole world finds out
>ScoMo government says it's fine
>no one would ever surrender to us
>we take more casualties
>we have to fight more

Have a meme I saved 6 years ago.

>>65073019
Video game logic. Do this then that happens. Expecting everything to fall neatly into place.

>>65073363
>Accidentally clapping a civi happens, executing kids on the ground them dropping radios on their body to claim they were spotters is not the same.
You can't control the narrative. Everything you do is regarded deliberate and turns the populace against you.

>>65073363
Have you considered that maybe it's because of sissy homosexuals like you that we lost the war?

>>65073376
You might want to be a nation that acts like thridies, I would rather not.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/sas-soldiers-allegedly-plant-gun-on-dead-bodies-in-afghanistan/12452964

>>65073382
Has bombing schoolgirls opened the strait?

>>65073385
If Trump was in control of the army during Afghan war he would have won the war in 2 years because he's not a sentimental faggot like a guy like you is. The White race has way too many queers

>>65073382
NTA but we owe it to ourselves to be better than our enemies.

>>65072998
The boers were like two families with a shotgun

>>65073389
>TACO Trump
>winning anything taking more than a few weeks
NTA but lmao come on son

>>65073392
We weren't better than our enemies. They literally won the war. Taliban controls the country?????

>>65073394
He would have won because he's a psychopath and we need guys like that in control. Not retarded SJWs like you

>>65073382
soviets bombed the shit out of Afghanistan, did a few massacres and still lost so that obviously doesn't work retard

>>65073373
I believe scientists call that cause and effect anon.

>>65072998
>The way you win is how the British defeated the Boers
Guerillas require foreign aid or major enemy weakness to succeed. The Boer area was isolated from foreign aid and the British occupiers were not weak, boasting a ridiculous manpower advantage. Scorched earth was entirely unnecessary, especially to the maximal extent seen there.

Entirely avoidable excess of questionable worth.

>>65072913
I know it's real, but that gun looks so much like something AI made.

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>>65073382
Squad Designated Sissy (SDS) when?

>>65073389
Trump was in charge for more than 2 years and he surrendered to the Taliban.

>>65073398
He had his chance from 2016-2020 when he was in charge of the war and instead gave the country to the Taliban in secret negotiations instead. Weird.

>>65073426
>>65073434
Fuuuuck I remember that, he actually had leaders of the Taliban invited to camp David, a few months before handover to Biden admin. What a fucking loser.
Then when the pullout went rough because no planning had been done and Biden made the stupid call to follow Trump's retarded timeline instead of pushing it back, they caught the flack instead of Trump lol.

>>65073422
I don't remember Ella vid where he looked like that. Sauce?

>>65072992
Expecting human beings to act like perfect robots in any situation, let alone conflict, is an idiotic delusion meant solely for the masses. It's a thin veneer; an artificial facade meant to enable compliance in the unthinking masses, not an attainable ideal that's pragmatic or useful on a societal level. Instead of setting realistic expectations, understanding the limits of your of capabilities, abating consequences, and achieving the best possible outcome, you fall victim to the the very emotions you imagine that you're capable of transcending. Even now, I do the same. The difference is, my folly does not degrade the Western psychosocial paradigm. But by all means, join the Communists in their identical fantasy that sterile ideals are worthy of aspiration.

Cute picture. You'd make a successful politician.

>>65073576
Not him, but
>Expecting human beings to act like perfect robots in any situation, let alone conflict, is an idiotic delusion
Yeah that's alright
Lots of things are missed out by the system
That's the "bye" that people get, which you describe here

The real problem is this stupid cunt bragged about it for years
Which is tantamount to making the same mistake over and over and over again

>>65073576
>immediate bad-faith hyperbole
Stopped reading after the first sentence. Like I said, you just don't get it.

>>65073418
If it had helped save ONE British life, it was worth it.

>>65073576
>Expecting human beings to act like perfect robots in any situation, let alone conflict, is an idiotic delusion meant solely for the masses.
No one does. It's why we have an entire system of imposed discipline in militaries, right up to having an entirely separate class of serviceman whose principle function at junior ranks is to be ethically and intellectually separate from those they command to enable them to recognise and intercede to prevent the ethical deviance and degeneracy that will inevitably happen in war if left unchecked.

But those checks were all subverted in this instance. I have said since day one that the people responsible for allowing all of the safeguards to be subverted should have faced responsibility for what happened as a result, and that it calls into question the ethical fitness of pretty much every officer who served in the regiment for many years either side of the alleged events. By absolutely no later than 2009 it was common knowledge that ORs were running selection to keep out of the regiment any officers that would actually hold them accountable in any way, and I assume it was well known before then as well. By 2011 at the latest it was reasonably common knowledge in, at the very least, everywhere even vaguely adjacent to SF that Ben Roberts-Smith was a titanic thundercunt and a loose cannon, but crucially, that other titanic thundercunt of the period, LTGEN David Morrison practically attached himself at the hip to BRS and the two literally toured around the Army endorsing each other. Well before all of that it was known that SASR was super duper incestuous and that, even compared to 1CDO, 2CDO and IRR (as it was called in the bad old days) NCOs and WOs weren't posting in the way that military units need them to if you want Big Army to have any kind of influence on regimental culture.

I cannot possibly emphasise just how much the entire thing was not a surprise at all to anyone who had any dealings with SF outside of a HQ.

>>65073653
>that other titanic thundercunt of the period, LTGEN David Morrison
And can I just take this moment to throw one final piece of shade on the career of this absolute careerist piece of shit.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and you, you absolute motherfucker, were so busy lecturing the Army on the tenets of postmodern morality and trying to stamp out any holdouts of regimental culture, that you spent every day of your worthless fucking tenure walking past a slew of war crimes. Your successors had to unfuck everything you did, proximately to this conversation finding the literal fucking atrocities committed while you were responsible for the Army, but much of the damage will prove permanent.

You are and always were a monumental sack of shit, and I sincerely wish a court could pretend you were CJOPs and grow a spine long enough to Yamashita you into gaol.

>>65073679
>proximately
*proximate
Holy fuck that man makes me so angry these days, it's unreal. Like, the more time that passes, the less reasonable everything about his tenure becomes and the fewer excuses you can find for him. It's just insane what a sack he turned out to be.

>>65073653
>>65073679
Where can I find more details about this?

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>>65073790
>Well before all of that it was known that SASR was super duper incestuous and that, even compared to 1CDO, 2CDO and IRR (as it was called in the bad old days) NCOs and WOs weren't posting in the way that military units need them to if you want Big Army to have any kind of influence on regimental culture.
Just to clarify, it's this part I don't understand, can you explain a bit further?

>>65073790
>>65073792
One of the reasons that armies post anyone with rank in and out of units on a frequent basis is so that units don't develop their own culture, norms and practices that deviate too much from what everyone else does. If all the NCOs, WOs and Officers spend more than half the time posted elsewhere, then there's going to be a lot of elsewhere's ideas and culture being mixed into the unit on a continuous basis. The rate that NCOs and WOs were posting out of SASR was too low for that to be happening, and the effect was that Army didn't really have much of a stake in how the unit's culture evolved over time. On paper, officer postings were filling that role, but in practice, based on my understanding, officers had very little influence over much of anything in SASR and were really kept on a leash, having been selected partly for the ability to be leashed to begin with and then given a career structure where precisely that preponderance of external postings would mean they'd never have the internal credibility necessary to be a dominant hand on the tiller of unit culture and trying would just see their career ended.

Basically, SASR was every OR's fantasy about a unit that was run by a CPL and SGT mafia where officers have no say and where you could tell DSCMA to fuck themselves when they tried to post you out of the unit if you wanted to. A unit where NCOs would never post out of their incestuous playground and where officers and support staff literally couldn't be posted in without being hand selected by those same NCOs. A unit that even in peacetime was 3000km from the nearest headquarters and had no supporting or peer elements that didn't effectively answer directly to them.

Oher SOCOMD units even in that period (high op tempo put a lot of pressure on SF manning) were still posting NCOs out, and did more stuff with SFTC etc. So when something in 2CDO started to go off the rails it was spotted pretty quickly and put back on. Not so SASR.

>>65073790
>Where can I find more details about this?
And short of being in the Army in the period, the Brereton Report. Idk if it's publicly available, but there's also the report that Crompvoets did on SF culture for Campbell and Sengelman (notably both SASR officers from a time before the unit went off the rails).

>>65074092
Sounds similar to what was happening with the SEALS at the same time. I think the root of the problem is they took special forces and turned them into full time death squads without fully understand what the effect was going to be on the men in those units. And by "them" I mean Stanley McChrystal and David Petraeus and Michael Flynn.
And there's growing evidence that Flynn ay least was just literally just a religious psycho who could only get erections by reading reports of his troops killing muslims,

>>65073385
>Has bombing schoolgirls opened the strait?
No, but it made me feel better so it improved something. Also why are Muslims mad we stopped women from learning how to read? Don't they know that if they get literate they start asking for rights?

>>65073653
>>65073679
Not to be a dickhead, but Aussies referring to their 25,000 man force as Big Army is pretty funny. My friend, your entire Big Army wouldn't fill up a quarter of the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

>>65074724
We'll be sure to follow the internationally recognised metric of MCG seating capacity in future deployments

>>65072913
99.99% of civilian kills don't get prosecuted because there's some sort of plausible deniability, you only get charged for blatant chimp outs.

>>65072992
fpbp

>>65073576
>soldiers can only either be chimps or robots

starting to see why your 3 day special military operation has entered year 5, ivan

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You need to understand that dropping this cunt wasn't the problem. It was quite alright, in fact.

The problem was that he said it on camera and some shitlord got hold of the footage and sent it to a news outlet.

Historically, the number of cunts who have been dropped is literally immeasurable but taking video cameras on operations is a relatively new thing.

>>65075128
He also did the equivalent on complaining to the police that your drug dealer scammed you by trying to sue over the news coverage years later until the government was gay and retarded enough to decide to make an example of him.

>>65072992
Western militaries are so strict on stuff like this because they know their troops would start acting like cannibal niggers the instant they thought they could get away with it

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>>65075163
It's almost like the government just used him to do their dirty work and then tossed him in the gutter when he stopped serving their interests.

>Yvan Eht Nioj.

>>65075165
As a volunteer force a lot of people would leave the military if it was full of rapists and murderers.

>>65074383
Maybe the Americans didn't, but we knew. It's like I said, militaries (at least Commonwealth ones) are structured to contain it and correct it because it's inevitable. The problem is that SASR had removed itself from that structure, and then restructured itself internally, and told everyone it was so special that everything would be a ok. SEALs probably did have the same issue of absent control structures because no infantryisms were to be seem.
>>65074406
>Big Army is pretty funny
Nah yeah you're right.

>>65075301
>Nah yeah you're right.
Meant for >>65074724

>>65075289
murdering people is the military's job, and it is full of rapists
do you think they make everyone watch the rape is bad powerpoints just because?

>>65072913
>isn't dropping the odd cunt inevitable?
Yes. A civilian that ignores escalation of force and appears to be a threat is a good shoot.

Car behind convoy, convoy uses the green laser to get back. Car ignores and accelerates towards convoy. It can be a good shoot.

Cop tells suspect to stop and raise hands, suspect grabs their phone and wallet from their pocket and enthusiastically offers their identification to the cop. In the moment the threat can appear credible. The legal standard is all the information available as perceived by the officer at the time of force used.

>>65075598
Yes, this definitely applies to what we're talking about, an unarmed teenager lying on the ground who has been mauled and is still held by an attack dog, detained by a man standing on his chest with a rifle pointed at his head, who then asks someone under no pressure at all if he should execute him and is told to go for it, so shoots him three times in the head and plants prepared fake evidence on him to make him seem like a combatant, all as part of long term conspiracy by a group of sick puppies to turn their tours into Afghanistan into human-hunting-safaris.

The lengths that people will go to just to make vague excuses for what is objectively the most obviously and absurdly heinous shit ever are comical. Like, no, none of this is "Innocent mistake under pressure, he ignored escalations, seemed shady and reached into a pocket", it's "Lets have ritual murders of people we know are innocent where we force the new guy to execute someone so he's bound to our conspiracy by the atrocity and then cover it up, then head back to the back and drink beer out of the prosthetic leg we looted off an old cripple we executed by handcuffing him and throwing him off a cliff" shit. Anyone who ponies up to make excuses for this stuff is just making an utter fool of themselves.
>>65075571
Murder isn't in the job description. Killing is. They're not the same thing and shouldn't be conflated.

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>>65072913
>Do you want me to drink from this cunt?

>>65075655
Pedantic fag. War is killing and rape, always has been. They're called INFANTry because the minute they aren't watched like a toddler they can't be trusted to not murderhobo the rest of the campaign.

>>65073019
Fucking cherry ass slick sleeved faggot. You have no idea what went wrong in Afghanistan. You can’t turn the populace against the Taliban because they simply don’t care. You roll into some dirt poor village in the mountains with the red beards and say you’re there to fight Taliban. They say okay what can you give me? Would you like to stay for dinner so I can show I’m not trying to kill you? And the answer is always nothing because it’s a dirt poor worthless hamlet of no real importance in fuck off mountains not worth the cost of building them a road or a school. Then the Taliban sneak across the paki border with their foreign fighters (we killed pakis and Chechens on the fucking reg) and threaten to kill them if they don’t hide them and feed them to which they shrug and comply. Then we take fire from the hamlet. Sweep it. Kill a few faggots in fatigues and New Balances. And they invite you to stay for dinner. It is a perpetual cycle played out since Vietnam. We kill the fuck out of the enemy and then they just hide behind the line we’re not allowed to cross and send in meat waves of unimportant retards to die so they can say they’re still in the game. It’s fucking political bullshit. You want to defeat “insurgencies”? You stop giving them a fucking place to hide. You say fuck it were torching the Ho Chi Minh Trail and fuck anyone who says shit about it. You run massive bombing campaigns in Pakistani villages where contrary to popular belief the nuclear armed state we sell weapons to doesn’t particularly fucking care about some tribal hicks in the fucking mountains. Fuck the Geneva Convention. Fuck politicians. Fuck every border that isn’t ours. That’s how you fucking win in Afghanistan.

>>65073037
You're thinking of Ben Roberts-Smith.
Dude in OP's pic is some other goon named Oliver Schulz
>He has plead not guilty

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>>65073382
Uruzgan province, where these guys were acting like fuckwits, surrendered to the Taliban by phone.
Not a shot fired.
The Afghans neither knew nor cared what we had to offer them, and no amount of debasing themselves changed this.
These freaks belong in cells.

>>65072913
No.
BRS was an animal killing people for fun because he liked it.

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>>65074137
>the Brereton Report. Idk if it's publicly available,
https://www.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-10/IGADF-Afghanistan-Inquiry-Public-Release-Version.pdf

>>65076276
Maybe they surrendered by phone because some cunts went round murdering people the locals knew were not involved with the Taliban so they were receptive to the Taliban's message

>>65076129
Go away Robert, your entire platoon turned you in for being an ugly freaky weirdo

>>65076295
Anon, do you know how to parse full stops?
>. Idk if it's publicly available, but there's also the report that Crompvoets did on SF culture...

>>65074852
Don't get snippy, cunt. USAF AMC could airlift the entire Australian Bog Army with one trip.

>>65075165
>People talk of their enlisting from their fine military feeling — all stuff — no such thing.
>Some of our men enlist from having got bastard children, some for minor offences, many more for drink;
>But you can hardly conceive such a set brought together, and it really is wonderful that we should have made them the fine fellows they are.

>I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they frighten me

>>65076306
>Maybe
No. They simply don't care. Whatever happens tomorrow is not important to them.

>>65076390
If that's true why did they fight an insurgency for 20 years?

>>65076393
You mean Taliban? Money, drugs and shitslamic delusions.

I don't know why retards always think that just one more massacre will stop thr guerrillas. Just fucking don't act like niggers and treat the locals well, it's that simple. French marshal Suchet's part of occupied Spain didn't really have an insurgency since he forbade his troops from mistreating the locals and respected local Spanish customs. Whenever guerrillas tried something he was easily able to defeat them since the locals weren't interested in helping the guerrillas. Meanwhile in the rest of Spain the French were exterminating entire villages while their troops were flayed and burned alive when captured. Suchet only left Spain when his fellow marshals were driven into France, he himself defeated several Anglo-Spanish armies sent against him. When he died of old age the locals in the areas administered by him even held wakes to honor his memory.

>>65076401
>locals in a country you occupied hold a wake for you
Every commander needs to have this shit drilled into them, this is what winning hearts and minds actually looks like and the result is victory where it's applied.

>>65072913
Read up on the Malayan Emergency. 90% of the Chinese in Malaya rebelled and supported the Communist guerillas. These guerillas hid in the jungles and received aid from Chinese shanty towns and farming villages on the outskirts of the jungles.

So what did the Brits do? They forcibly removed the chinese settlers to fenced "New Villages", essentially concentration camps. BUT, this time, they gave them modern houses, sewerage system, clean piped water, electricity and food rations. The last one, was ingenious. The food rations were clearly marked, so if they fell into the communists hands, then it can be traced. Giving these relative luxury to the Chinese, made them stop supporting the communist guerillas. Hence, the "Hearts and Minds" strategy was coined. It worked. There was even an amnesty to communist guerillas if they peacefully surrendered.

>>65076326
With or without the MCG though?

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This is OP of course, making their daily war-crimes thread.

>>65076401
>>65076408
I mean, that's all well and good but the thing was Suchet was an early practitioner or hearts and minds, fighting people who hadn't fleshed out guerilla tactics and theory yet, they were just pissed off at the French being cunts.
A modern day counter insurgency needs to deal with the fact that the guerillas are aware of his playbook and will do whatever they can to subvert it
You build a power plant - they blow it up
You create a police force - they infiltrate it
You manage to identify and win over a respected local to your cause - they murder him
You protect a respected local - this isolates him from the population and respect declines
You control your soldiers - the insurgent does whatever they can to provoke them against the population, sniping from within crowds, suicide bombing them while they try to hand out sweets to kids etc.

>>65076401
You're just retarded and have no idea how war works. If Napoleon just told his generals to massacre the Spanish harder then the Iberian peninsula would've been easy peasy and occupied in months.

>>65073019
Doesn't traditional siege warfare also work against guerillas? By securing all basic necessities like food and water, you can force the local presence into compliance over pain of starvation, even if it isn't fast or fancy.
Though, it of course requires you blockade the enemy by attacking any of their trade partner's caravans, which can get... Politically dicey.

>>65076491
Well no, the issue with let's say Iraq or Afghanistan was that America left governance to corrupt natives and then spent billions blowing up random weddings or cars. Natives don't give a fuck if you built a well when you blew up half his extended family at a wedding. Shit, I read an article about the Taliban making fun of a local that convinced people to support the Americans and then his entire family was blown up by a hellstrike missile since their car was "suspicious". Suchet personally administered his territories and oversaw the troops. He didn't hand over everything to the spooks and corrupt strongmen while he blew up carts at random with batteries of cannon.
But Suchet is an outlier, all the other marshals stationed in Spain ruined their reputations with defeats and growing insurgencies, Suchet earned his marshal's baton in Spain.
>>65076506
Fuck off Massena.

>>65075571
>>65075655
Technically speaking not even killing is in a soldier's job description, just taking and holding ground, which often requires killing to do with current technology.

>>65073093
>The best way to defeat insurgents is to not be such a massive cunt that the population tolerates an insurgency.
The British raped the entire India and most of Africa and yet they couldn't fought back and eventually had to wait for the British to leave. The American were nice enough to the Vietnamese, North Korean and Iraq, but these cunts love to exploit this and keep attacking. When the Yank said "fuck it, I will rape you", they will cry to the international stage to gain some sympathy.

>>65076401
They don't care about stopping the guerrillas, they just want to do a little massacre.

>>65076627
Brown fingers wrote this

>>65076522
Maybe that's true if you are in an omegacuck army that has never known the objectively correct way of doing Army things (ie the Commonwealth military tradition).
>The role of Infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture them, to seize and hold ground, and to repel attack, by day or night, regardless of season, weather or terrain.

It was originally a shit fight between unit members who all wanted glory and tried to get each other court martialed.

The army covered it all up because they couldn't imprison men who had run black ops for oligarchs in Australia, the men now discharged tried to run back to the oligarchs and run for politics, having avoided the hague only months before, at which point the media, under order of the oligarchs, tried to have the men pilloried.

There were no less than four miscarriages of justice in a row as the oligarchs tried to sue each other's men, then the courts got sick of this and layed criminal charges against serving military personele which is totally unconstitutional, a doubly jeopardy issue where men had already been tried for the same offence by military tribunal, and where the courts had no territorial jurisdiction, and the plaintiff had no right to lay charges.

Then the army took the extraordinary measure of striping a whole regiment (?) Of honours for war crimes individual units had only just been cleared of, leading to a revolt in the ranks.

So now we have the situation where a Victoria Cross winner, guilty of war crimes, cleared of war crimes, perjured, mistrialed in two miscarriages of justice is mistrialed a third time in an unconstitutional criminal case, on the orders of a jilted former comrade who's now an opposition party figure, and two Australian oligarchs, two newspapers, and the talibans.

Feel free to correct me on the details here but basically it's just onion layers of fucked up and should never have seen the light of day.

>>65076729
Absolute schizopost hours.

>>65076627
Britian didn't rape all of India and Africa though; the main enforcers of the Raj were themselves Indians who would rather live with the benefits of civilization over the caste system, even if it meant making an example of their neighbors.

>>65075655
>an unarmed teenager lying on the ground who has been mauled and is still held by an attack dog, detained by a man standing on his chest with a rifle pointed at his head, who then asks someone under no pressure at all if he should execute him and is told to go for it, so shoots him three times in the head and plants prepared fake evidence on him to make him seem like a combatant, all as part of long term conspiracy by a group of sick puppies to turn their tours into Afghanistan into human-hunting-safaris.
So you are saying accidents never happen and whenever a civilian is killed it is because the soldiers are just bloodthirsty killers?

>>65072992
>serve in western military
>they crucify you for it
just another reason to never enlist if you live in the west

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>>65077108
You are frustratingly retarded and I'm not even the Anon you are responding too.
No he was clearly not saying that. He was saying that a specific incident, that was fully filmed from start to finish and happened exactly how he said it did, verifiably, is not an example of an ambiguous shitty and tragic situation that you can give the benefit of the doubt to the soldiers during the chaos of war.
Jesus Christ, you have to be trolling me.

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>>65073545
https://www.tranny.one/view/1077823/
No homo

>>65076461
>relative luxury
They were straight up concentration camps with rampant disease and malnutrition whilst the Brits ethnically cleansed the population that was giving them trouble. The Malayan Emergency is the textbook example for why modern COIN doctrine is so awful because the actual tactics employed were the exact opposite of what "hearts & minds" doctrine suggests. - The whole system was built off of the propaganda take on the conflict and not the actual conflict itself.

>>65072913
>Helos too heavy we can't take him
>No problem *pop pop*
>DID YOU JUST HECKIN KILL A TERRORISTORINO?!?!
Americans are retarded. Dumbest guy there is the one with the camera though.

>>65077559
Those are Australian SASR operators you absolute fucking silly billy.

>>65077568
He means the American helicopter pilot who couldn't handle a little banter and feigned (maybe, who knows) war crimes.

>>65072913
You could try what literally every expert recommends but we never fucking do and treat insurgencies like the mafia and break them up with cops instead of soldiers.

>>65077589
What do you do when the local police have been infiltrated by the insurgency anon? They're not some local organized crime gang. The Taliban for example outside of major US bases were effectively the government. Taxation, arbitration; these motherfuckers would openly drive around in trucks with full battle rattle in areas with low US presence. You don't just "send the police" after them.

>>65073396
Afghan war was a weird one because we only started nation building after the fact. Our motivation was being pissed about 9-11 and wanting to make an example out of anyone who got in our way. Then we calmed down a little and realized just leaving would make us look bad so we had to come up with something.
If we'd found bin ladin by 05-06 we probably could have just pulled out and every American would have called it a victory.

>>65072913
>choose to serve ZOG
>get shafted
oh no, anyway

>>65077546
Actually you're both wrong. There were model new villages that were absolutely relative luxury compared to what they'd had before, and there on record as saying that. There were also really shitty ones that had practically no utilities and services and did have rampant disease.
They also didn't ethnically cleanse the population, so that's a brown leftoid lie. I really think neither of you has opened a single book on the Malayan Emergency because the New Villages were a single, small, part of how they fought the communist guerillas

>>65077605
bin laden was found in 2001 and deliberately let go, almost as if someone stood to benefit from a prolonged and very expensive war of occupation

>>65077833
How does this retarded nonsense propagate?

- Send soliders to Muslim country and murder people

- Act all shocked and angsty when Muslims retaliate by killing people in your country.

Oh no how do we stop this cycle of violence lol

>>65072913
If you record yourself doing it and/or take trophies that can tie you to it, you're fucking retarded and the government is doing everyone a service.

>>65078007
>muslims retaliate
a lot of people dont know this, but muslims actually fired the first shot with some shit they pulled in new york. pretty obscure, but imma let you in on it because I know youre on the level

>>65072998
Malayan emergency is a much better example of successful COIN than Boer war.

>>65075128
Posting IRA pics whilst saying "dropping this cunt wasn't the problem" is really interesting because 90% of the IRAs grievances were RUC and Brit army on riot control "dropping this cunt".

In fact it was practically the British COIN playbook, all the way back to chopping heads off in Malaya or the various attrocities in Kenya that inspired Idi Amin and probably made him as fucked up as he was in truth.

So I suppose I agree that the list is immeasurably long and cameras were really the only thing that stopped it (video is only slightly more relevant, Vietnam and Malaya both got really hampered by cameras capturing all the attrocities) but also I don't think killing civilians is a good thing. In all cases it galvanised resistance more than it weakened it.

t. Brit.

>>65078007
>send soldiers to fight a police action against random guerillas/local partisans/mixed jihadists
>Oh no they shot *male possible combatant*

>>65077546
>>65076461
I wrote a long post and goddamn 4chan ate it during the outage a few hours back, so fuck it
generally I agree with >>65077752
basically, think the Japanese internment in WW2; but nobody got their property back and the compensation was extremely inadequate.

also, Malayan Chinese were actually like 95% anti-Communist. the New Villages helped prevent Communist insurgents from extorting the farmers

>>65078480
>t. brit
Sure you are, from which oblast?

>>65078632
Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.

>>65073389

Zion Don signed the unilateral retreat without ANA or the Afghan government involved and postponed it until the next term so he doesn't get the fallout.

>>65078480
You are responding to a 16 year old, anon, he has no concept that he's just being a gay edgelord yet. He'll grow out of it (probably).
>>65078090
>the first shot
Arabs slinging shit back at you for helping kill their friends isn't unprovoked, anon. They didn't just wake up on a random Tuesday and go "Huh, let's remove the World Trade Center".

If subhuman boomers and their gen X lemmings didn't support Israel, the WTC would still be there and several thousand Americans would still be alive. We wouldn't have lost in Afghanistan, and Iraq wouldn't have been a useless quagmire. Hell, our economy would probably be doing better too if we weren't stuck spending trillions on nonsense.

>>65072913
you are incredibly naive if you think govts. deliver meaningful punishment against their soldiers for harming enemy civilians. Youve swallowed the media BS.

>>65073382
>Have you considered that maybe it's because of sissy homosexuals like you that we lost the war?
how many times in history does some fucking idiot start a war, lose it, then blame his critics. every time?

>>65073434
>>65073519
>Trump tells Taliban that the US is leaving Afghanistan
>Agree to a date for the US to withdraw
>Biden admin ignores the date and doesn't do anything to prepare to leave by said date
>Show no intention of leaving
>Taliban respond by going on the offensive
>Panic and try to rush to leave
>Listen to Taliban and bomb a humanitarian giving out water

Yeah... 100% Trumps fault and not Biden for ignoring the withdrawal. But browns are gonna brown.

>>65079326
He's right though. Although there were a myriad of issues in Afghanistan, the faggy social-engineering shit we did (and we did more than you can ever believe) really did not help. Respecting "international law" didn't help either
>we should have been operating in Pakistan from day one

>>65079312
>We
>our
>we

>>65079312
Shut the fuck up, Bin Laden's seething had little to do with Israel. He was more mad at the Saudi government than anything.

>>65079312
>Implying some dumbfuck niggas in a shithole could operate a plane and the US would be too chickenshit to blow that shit out of the sky or atleast ground it.
Definitely goyim-coded. 9/11 was done by Saudi hijackers and Israeli support. With the US government allowing it to happen.

>>65079692
>allowing
You are just as bad as the retards who say Pearl Harbor was "allowed" to happen.

I'll give you your chance. Show me how specifically America "allowed" it to happen

>>65077163
So because a few number of soldiers will commit war crimes no soldier ever should go to war?

>>65080158
Don't bother, these are the same people who will say Hitler dindu nuffin it was the Polish that started WW2.

>>65072913
>If governments have a problem with this shouldn't they, instead of prosecuting their own soldiers, not get involved in such wars?
You make it sound like things more simple than they really are.

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>>65072913
this dutch cunt magdumped a talib at a market, claimed he was graped and had ptsd when word got out years later and he already was awarded the highest award. They worked together in Uruzgan (see the AUS 6x6s) not much of a shitstorm in Dutch media, aside from this that has blown over.

>>65078632
How was that a pro-Russian statement you fucking board tourist?
I'm as pro-Ukraine as they come you wally, one of the reasons for that is I don't like rape and torture, particularly of civilians just trying to live their lives. It's called moral consistency.

>>65079312
I do keep seeing references to Americans having IRA phases to be fair.
Also the Iraq war was justified, Saddam can go fuck himself with Satans 10ft bad dragon for reasons I listed, Uday as well. I don't buy bad faith claims from ex-Baathists about conduct of coalition forces, I'm sure some did happen but it by no means outweighs what the Baathists did for decades. People still supporting Saddam are like those guys in Uganda with Amin plastered on their taxis. The problem with Iraq was the counter-terror campaign afterwards and its mismanagement rather than the actual invasion itself.

>>65078480
Britain did horribly in Malaya when you look at the casualty ratio

It took 12 years.

Britain had over 451,000 troops and lost:

Britain 1,443 killed
Pro-Britain Malaysians 1,346 killed
British and pro-British 2,406 wounded
Australia 39 killed
New Zealand 15 killed
Rhodesia 8 killed

Communists had somewhat over 7000 soldiers and lost:

6,710 killed
226 executed
1,289 wounded
1,287 captured
2,702 surrendered


The British high commissioner Henry Gurney was assassinated.

The top communist leaders were never killed, and the same communist leaders restarted a second communist insurgency from 1968-1989, and again never got killed.

Malayan communists never had much popular support, but they managed to fight decades against a forced which outnumbered them a gazillion times and didn't lose their leadership, assassinate the high commissioner and inflict thousands of casualties on the British side.

Britain also lost the Aden emergency to South Yemeni communists.

>>65082486
Not sure what your point is, I think it's rather obvious my point was not that British tactics in Malaya played well.
You're arguing with a point I never made. Although honestly your "counter"-argument reads like nonsense. Not that I believe the tactics used by Britain were effective or morally right.

>Horrible casualty ratio
1443+1346+39+15+8 = 2851 (0.63% of forces)
6710+226 = 6936 (86.7% of forces, assuming 8000 total)

>Top communist leaders were never killed
Well generally it is the nature of insurgency that leadership is kept extremely well protected. That is part of why abusing random civilians doesn't work very well.

With that said:
>Lau Yew was killed in an ambush in Kajang by the Ferret Force teams on 16 July 1948
>S.A. Ganapathy, the first president of the 300,000-strong Pan Malayan Federation of Trade Unions (PMFTU), was hanged on 4 May 1949
>Yeung Kwo (Deputy Secretary General of the Malayan Communist Party) was ambushed and killed on 26 August 1956
>Mat Indera was subsequently found guilty and hanged at 11 pm on 30 January 1953
>Liew Kon Kim, In July 1952 he was killed and his corpse was publicly displayed in several locations around Malaya
That's just with me lazily copying what I remembered seeing on Wikipedia.

>The British high commissioner Henry Gurney was assassinated
Well yes, but using your own logic did the Malayans manage to kill the King/Queen? or the PM? it's effectively a zero sum game at that point.

I suspect a lot of your "argument" here is coming more from dislike of the British (or nationalist sentiment) because you perceived my *critique* of British COIN policy as support of it.

Something seemingly not understood by people outside of Britain is actually that the majority of people don't support our historical attrocities or view Malaya/Kenya/Aden et al as a source of nationalist pride.

I suspect the reason for this misunderstanding is that non-Brits would view it as a source of pride if it were the other way around.

>>65072913
>dude joins your organization because you told him he could kill people
>specifically train dude to go out and kill people
>send dude out
>dude kills people
>"HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN??????"
it do be like that sometimes

>>65082486
>somewhat over 7000 soldiers
>226+1289+1287+6710= about 7k

>>65072913
>not get involved in such wars?
That's actually the trick. If you're ideologically opposed to chimping out and committing war crimes, start by staying ideologically consistant and avoid starting unnecessary expeditionary wars.

>>65082893
>train guy to fight fires
>sometimes he has to light fires and backburn
>get angry because he started buring down buildings

>train guy to race cars
>get angry he does 200 on main street

>train guy to pump fuel
>get angry when he pumps the fuel out of your tank

The job of infantry is to follow orders above all else, if they fail that they are of no use.

>>65076129
That's exactly what you did to the Ho Chi Minh Trail, and the rest of Cambodia too, until it was such an unstable shithole that Khmer Rouge took it over.

>>65080858
>this dutch cunt magdumped a talib at a market
So what's the problem?

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>>65082486
>e Aden emergency

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>>65082896
Bold assumption that everyone who got killed, executed or wounded was a soldier.