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>>65075436
And a front view of the new CIWS set up.

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>>65075449
And rear VLS confirmed for land attack/anti ship missiles. Two more under construction, the new ones will not have the deck gun, Kim decided instead it needed more CIWS and missile tubes, the smaller corvettes will carry deck guns as escorts.

Well shit, miscounted. TEN twin turrets not eight.

Is 14.5mm adequate for point defense? Assuming it is tied into the radar on that gattling gun they are firing alot of it.

>>65076124
I imagine that it would work alright against suicide speedboats and flying lawnmowers, at the very least. It probably *won't* work alright against real AShMs, which is a bit of a problem given that NK's current and potential enemies have plenty of those.

Why focus on destoyers and not frigates, they'll never match China, Japan or Korea in firepower. At least with frigates you can churn out more at a cheaper price and patrol more of your waters

Trip on

>>65076144
>real AShMs
That is what the Pantsir is for and supposedly some of the things inside the boxes are a naval APS. Really curious about the 14.5 rotary gun since that is more or less entirely all their own design. It might be a mediocre choice but that is a shitload of 14.5mm.

>>65076157
They have a frigate design as well, this is being altered for more firepower in future versions by ditching the deck gun for more missiles so the frigates get the gun. They claim to be working on a cruiser, they want to have a Blue Water fleet. They explicitly said they intend 'freedom of navigation' patrols off the US West Coast. They seem very serious about it; for example, they are putting alot of effort into whatever this is intended to be, it might very well be a fleet tender: https://www.38north.org/2026/04/sinpho-south-shipyard-unusual-ship-repurposing-effort/

>>65076232
>They explicitly said they intend 'freedom of navigation' patrols off the US West Coast
Very ballsy lol, wouldnbe easier to just do it against Japan desu but dream big i guess

>>65075436
stop stealing norktard job nigger I hate you I hate you I hate you give me back the crazy pyromaniac walking explosive barbarian

>>65076144
14.5mm minigun could take out a light tank, its probably just fine against a missile if it can aim

Is this the one that fell over last year?

>>65076398
14.5 has twice kinetic energy of 12.7 and half of 20mm.

>>65076381
I'm OP fren, worry not.
>>65076398
I think it is more an issue of range although 10 guns plus a minigun per side is alot. Combined with the Pansir, APS and presumably the H/PJ-45 copy it seems creditable.

>>65076237
>ballsy
Nah, this is just ambitious. Bally is being serious about their manned space program.

>>65076144
>>65076398
Terminal range is the problem. Even the vaunted Phalanx CIWS (20mm, approx. twice as energetic) cannot reliably defeat high-supersonic or high-mass missiles before a shotgun of debris strikes the ship and in all likelyhood disables some of the sensors actively defending it. That's why virtually all top-end antimissile systems have moved up to medium/high caliber autocannon (35mm Skyguard, 40mm Dardo, 76mm Strales) or are themselves missile-based. Stopping the inbound at 4+km is a world of difference from the 1-0.5km effective range of classic systems.
The norks are working with much less engineering margin in their intercept system to start so given the caliber choice I do not think they expect any significant antimissile capability from them.

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>>65076464
>North Korea gets to the Moon before Poland

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>>65076537
>Russia can't into space any more !!!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-sanctioned-chinese-tanker-transited-strait-of-hormuz-despite-american-naval-blockade-shipping-data/

>>65076537
Not the moon (probably) but a man in space? They could absolutly pull that off just by sheer willingness to risk life.

>>65076498
Pretty much this. They clearly are throwing everything they can at the issue (each side is protected by 2x30mm, 10x14.5mm plus the minigun, APS and the 130mm) but even if they stopped a missile it is still probably shotgunning them. Only the Pantsu and 130mm are going to hit anything at further than very close range.

From the speech where Kim dictated the addition of more point defenses they are concerned about smaller threats like drones and semi submersible.

If they are getting rid of the forward gun to add more VLS (how many freaking missiles can they fit?) i'd be curious to see if they got rid of the torpedo tubes as well, that was hinted at. They seem to intend the frigates to serve as escorts to handle those roles, in theory with these acting as escorts for the cruisers which sounds suspiciously like a proper fleet.

It all feels Kreigsmarineish to me, a nominal High Seas fleet that consists of overgunned ships meant to be a threat in being; the issue of course being in this case if there is a real war they have about half a hour to fire ze missiles before they are all sunk.

>>65075436
I won't be satisfied until I see best Korean using infantry laser weapons.

>>65076587
>If they are getting rid of the forward gun to add more VLS

Ahh i was wondering how they fit 88 VLS on that "destoyer". No forward gun is very sad

>>65076594
>Ahh i was wondering how they fit 88 VLS on that "destoyer"
It's not so unusual, the OHP's had 72 missiles on a 4000 ton frigate hull and that's with a fucking arm launcher.
Modern compact VLS, with varied lengths for strike/defence purposes? Easily fit 80 on a 5000 ton hull.

>>65076594
The current versions have 88 tubes AND the gun, the next two under construction will not have the gun so they can have more tubes.

>If the next two destroyers rival a Ticonderoga what will the cruiser look like?

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>>65076614
>Even more missiles
Arsenal ships are coming true

>>65076614
>If the next two destroyers rival a Ticonderoga what will the cruiser look like?
>ChingChong2028 class
>250 VLS of varying size, 6 Pantsir CIWS with even more missiles
>About 30 14.5mm gatling guns for some reason
>20 thousand tons displacement
>Somehow outcompetes the Trump class battleship on half the tonnage

>>65076648
>Pantsir CIWS
And that's why the chinks will NEVER outcompete the USN.

>>65076659
What's wrong with the navalized Pantsir? It's an improvement over the Kashtan which seemed fine enough as CIWS.
Better than the fucking Phalanx at least.

>>65076670
AAA and Soviet-derived air defenses are each a joke on their own. Combine them and you get a hilariously worthless cope.

>>65076685
The only Soviet lol-fail CIWS is the AK630, which to be fair is also the first CIWS they ever made.

>>65076690
The concept of AAA as anything but (maybe) c-UAS is a lolfail.

>>65076735
Missiles aren't aircraft, and CIWS is not AAA.

>>65076741
However you choose to cope, guns are worthless for air defense.

>>65076781
Guns shoot down missiles all the time, what are you talking about?

>>65076781
This is true, it is why over the last month half the US navy was destroyed.

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>>65076659
>>65076690
The Norks are slowly making their own CIWS tech tree. The mystery 14.5mm rotary CIWS is a clear decendent of their glorious 14.5mm (pic related) field battery, you can trace the various versions over the years. Their current SPAAG is a modified AK-230, the sort that was meant to be retrofitted to smaller ships and it has a AK-630 variant that we haven't seen yet, the rotary gun just drops into the 230 mount much like the rotary 14.5mm drops into a ZU-2 mount*

The bolt on twin 14.5mms are very new, they were probably added after Kim's last speech as this ship is a tech test bed. Presumably they are indexed to the rotary 14.5mm and it's mini tilt drum radar when in automatic mode. Norks love Tilt Drum for some reason, probably bacuse they can make several versions of it some of them quite compact.

Later ships will probably have multipule versions of the SPAAG AK-230 variant, i strongly suspect a deciding reason will that they and their radar are designed to be powered independantly so the CIWS and their radar can operate if the ships main power goes out. There will probably be a 630 version of this.

*The 14.5mm mini gun fits into a twin KPV mount so in theory ALL of their light armor that uses those twin 14.5mm turrets can be retrofitted with them. DAKKDAKKADAKKA!

Personally i think they should just swap one of the KPVs for a 30mm AGL but gattling everything is cool as well.

>>65077480
14.5mm is way too small for anything but anti-drone purposes. Although for that it would probably be pretty effective.

>>65076790
>all the time
May we see them?

>>65076961
The US Navy wasn't destroyed because they got shot at with GLONASS-guided shasneeds that couldn't have hit them unless they dropped anchor (and maybe not even then), and missiles that were intercepted by other missiles.

>>65077497
It will destroy almost any missile it hits. The real issue is the range is limited enough that against anything supersonic the missiles engine is still hitting you and i am resonably sure that any significant damage will make that ship explode spectacuarly.

On the bright side if the guns are up and running small/medium drones, sneeds and unmanned surface vehicles they might as well be charging the Battlestar Galactica. Also a hilarious bitch fight if somehow the Independance LCS got too close for them to use their missiles.

>Nork H/PJ-45
Do we have any information on this at all? China made it because they thought the Russian 130mm sucked, i know it can have timed/airburst shells and is supposed to be decent or at least not Russian. Doesn't matter in future context as those are going on the super krivaks (or nothing at all since those have OTOs) but still curious.

>>65077552
>Also a hilarious bitch fight if somehow the Independance LCS got too close for them to use their missiles.
Why would the LCS ever close and not just fire off a NSM from 150nm out?

>>65077713
Well first off the Choe Hyon's missiles massively outrange it; if the claims of Hwasal-2 being able to target ships are true by about 1000 miles and possibly with a nuke. Kumsong-3 is roughly equavalent to NSM in range however.

Second off while some Independance LCS class ships are equipped with them the Independence itself wasn't. It would have to get behind it to avoid the 130mm gun and try to disable the pantsu with it's 57mm (which it could probably do) while eating dozens of Bulsaes (it probably doesn't carry enough RIM-116s to stop them all) and desperatly praying that their torpedo counter measures work. The Independance could probably 'kite' it if it had a really good pilot since it moves fast enough to stay to the rear but it would be inevitable that the 130mm would come into play then it's over.

>Retarded scenario!
Escort mission or blockade where they are facing off, something like this could very well happen say with China.

>>65078360
>the Independence itself wasn't
What a retarded fucking argument. Obviously no one is talking about LCS-2

>>65078400
But i clearly was when i made the joke? And just in case no one had a sense of humor i then pointed out why NSM wouldn't necessarily be the answer.

Besides, AK-360 based CIWS do actually work sometimes on the rare occasions the operators bother to turn them on and the ship has power enough for the radar to work which is admittedly a rare occurance. Moskva was neither seaworthy nor functional by western standards when she was sunk.

Anyway; the Norks are makng a creditable attempt at having a blue-water navy and anyone who ignores it is a idiot.