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Why do most American and Russian nuclear ships directly drive the propeller instead of using turbo-electric drives if the latter is supposedly quieter and more responsive?
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>>65077880
If the prop/shaft stops for any reason you get a turbine trip and will probably need to scram the reactor and vent the secondary loop
By using a turboelectric drive you can just disengage the clutch and keep operating the reactor as normal
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>>65077880
Where can I buy a Toz-34 in the United States?
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>>65077880
The kind of machinery required for full high-speed turboelectric drive (>30 kt) is big and heavy. Plus there are conversion losses, as anon >>65077916 mentioned.
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>>65077880
>Why do most American and Russian nuclear ships directly drive the propeller instead of using turbo-electric drives if the latter is supposedly quieter and more responsive?
b-but they don't???
all Russian icebreakers have nuclear Turbo electric powertrains (which is the only relevant / working vessel Russia makes today)
new Columbia-class will be turbo electric as well
the major argument for the old US GE reactors + turbines was passive circulation
which was incredible quite for a nuclear propulsion at the time
and they just reused the same design everywhere...
also electric propulsion only got good in like the last ~20y
before that big electric motors were pretty shit in literally any metric (due to under investments and no use cases)
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>>65078215
>before that big electric motors were pretty shit in literally any metric (due to under investments and no use cases)
I think some industrial electric motors have been quite efficient for a very long time, but those could typically only run efficiently at one speed dictated by the load, the AC frequency, their internal construction and stuff like that. Not ideal for a vehicle, especially since the vehicle would somehow have to generate that exact AC supply, too.
Modern power electronics have gotten very good. Not surprised to see them finding more applications.
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>>65078258
>I think some industrial electric motors have been quite efficient for a very long time, but those could typically only run efficiently at one speed dictated by the load
Correct. That kind of setup was pretty common for cargo ships going back to the 1970's, same with diesel-electric locomotives, and the colossal scale earthmoving machinery like the big draglines and mining shovels. It works well running at constant speed, it's not good for much of anything else.
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>>65078258
>I think some industrial electric motors have been quite efficient for a very long time
it's not the motor efficiency directly but everything around
e.g. ABB Azipod was a pretty big revolution in the 90s and it only got actually good around the early 2000s (thus my ~20y)
added like ~10-15% cargo capacity
and like you said, better power electronic got way more efficient as well
modern maritime AIM or PMVM motors also got extremely small, light and robust
and most of the development happened in the last 2 decades
for the future
HTS Motors are like 2-5y away from the first commercial model
and bigger fully battery electric ships with tiny, effectively maintenance free DC motors also started to hit the market in the last year
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Electric generators, motors and circuits are much better just in the last few years, but they're at car scale and not ship scale. Supercritical CO2 turbines are slowly becoming a reality too.
Upgrades take time and military tech needs some reliability testing before they cancel the project and continue to use the same 60 year old equipment.
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>>65078344
Ironically, if civvie nuke propulsion becomes a thing, it would make military nuke propulsion (for smaller surface ships) more attractive. Yes, there were attempts in the past, but only as limited series.
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>>65078815
There aren't a ton of alternatives. If you have patience for dealing with Craigslist tier bullshit and about 3/4 of all people you deal with on those platforms being scammers then good deals can be had.
>>65077972
They were imported briefly by Remington as the "Spartan" series. I don't recall what their model designation for the O/U was or if it was specifically a TOZ-34 but all of those were made by TOZ. They also had SxS and combination guns (rifle over shotgun O/U in different calibers/gauges). Neat stuff, not super well known or sought after, but not cheap either.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1167319639
Looks like the SPR310 is pretty close, although it is a single trigger design rather than double.
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I want to get my brother a crossbow as a birthday gift. He has plenty of experience with handguns and rifles, has a larger build(6'2" 220lbs), but no experience with bows/crossbows. He would use it for deer hunting, possibly some birds.
I don't know much about them either. What's good? What sucks?
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>>65079180
I got a G36 from S5 and only have a little bit of time but it's okay so far. The receiver had a lot of overmolding on the seams that I had to file down and the bolt seems to chew on the follower of the pmag it comes with, but it's running and shoooting fine besides that.
My digging into TaA suggested they simply build guns off the S5 receivers and US parts kits. It also seems to be run by an old /k/fag if that matters to you.
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>>65077880
Mainly the weight and size required for 4 87,500HP motors is not insignificant and you still need a reduction gearbox on each.
>>65077999
Please provide a source, I'm an industrial electrician and would be amazed if weights have fallen by more than 10% in the megawatt class, these aren't permanent magnet motors like brushless drone motors that have improved a lot.
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>>65080070
He doesn't know it, he's talking out his ass. In fact he's too stupid to interpret the OP diagram. Notice the clutch between the output gearing and the prop shaft.
With a turbo-electric drive there is no clutch, you would simply switch off the motor instead.
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>>65080016
>Please provide a source, I'm an industrial electrician and would be amazed if weights have fallen by more than 10% in the megawatt class
https://prod-edam.honeywell.com/content/dam/honeywell-edam/aero/en-us/ products/power-and-propulsion/elect ric-power/honeywell-1-megawatt-mw-t urbogenerator/documents/hon-aero-n6 1-2229-000-000-1mw-generator-brochu re-en.pdf
And it's 19000 rpm so its direct drive to gas turbine no need for reduction gears (and for these rpms gears suck a lot).
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>>65080307
My post >>65077999 was specifically about generators that they improved the most because of the solid state power electronics progress (at these RPM generator produces 1267hz nobody wants, but thanks to modern thyristors rectifier turning that into DC weights only 60lbs).
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>>65079004
Well does anyone know the import name of the TOZ 34?
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>>65080851
How about a nuclear jet-ski. Divide the nuclear plant into two loops. One small loop powers the feedwater pumps & a general service generator. The main (open) loop simply boils the feedwater and shoots it out the back in a steerable nozzle.