I sense a disturbance in the interwebs.
It is as if billions of thirdies posted in outrage and fear, and were suddenly droned.

>>65078095
Do not redeem drone saar!

>>65078079
why did they make it look like a big black dildo

>>65078379
Its meant to fuck your enemies!

>>65078079
Is that a tall man or is zelensky short?

>>65078424
both actually

>>65078379
>make vaguely dick shaped object pink
>OMG, WTF, WHY DID YOU MAKE IT PINK
>make vaguely dick shaped object black
>OMG, WTF, WHY DID YOU MAKE IT BLACK

>>65078079
>thread about drones AND modern German equipment
This thread is going to be a complete shitshow, I can already tell.

>>65078435
>>65078463
Good morning saar

>>65078424
Friedrich Merz is 1.98m
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is 1.67m

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>>65078424
Merz is tall and Zensky is short.

>>65078463
Sir, you're not supposed to vape windex.

Why the fuck does everyone ape the dorito?
It's only good for its compactness, short wings suck dick for range ie. efficient flight

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>>65079712
Compactness makes launchers easy.
Alternatives are
Folding wings, expensive and takes much time to develop.
Detachable wings, takes time to prepare launch and crew can fuck up drone when attaching wings.

RuMoD and Medvedev already seethed about “muh legal targets in Urop, aaaaa, stop supplying Ukraine or we nuke U”

>>65079766
Yeah but nobody actually launches like that nowadays.
Just give it some long slender detachable wings and you could upload the payload, range, or speed for free.
>Folding wings, expensive and takes much time to develop.
>Detachable wings, takes time to prepare launch and crew can fuck up drone when attaching wings.
Folding and/or detachable and/or multi part wings are a very basic engineering problem with numerous tested and true solutions.

>>65079712
Not him, but are there advantages for using propellers over rocket boosters?

>>65079809
>, but are there advantages for using propellers over rocket boosters?
What are you talking about? Shaheds have piston engine driven propeller for flight and rocket booster for take off.

>>65079786
I think optimal solution would be top wing and make it one piece detachable. Flat top of the drone and attach it via 4 big bolts. Minimal and simple work for ground crew.
Aerodynamics of sausage body plus long straight wing indeed would have better drag/lift ratio.

But it still massively cuts drone launch numbers from single platform and extends preparation that is concern if your launch sites are under attacks.

>>65079852
Yes that is one solution
However, an efficient wing will be 4 meters or more long so it would be better to disassemble it into two or three parts.
>But it still massively cuts drone launch numbers from single platform and extends preparation that is concern if your launch sites are under attacks.
I really don't think that should be a concern since a launch site can be anywhere your launch van decides to stop and it's deep on friendly territory.

>>65078079
>mini-Shahed
not really
it has a slightly lower payload than a Geran 2, and a little less range (per spec though)
i doubt that there will be operational differences (other than the German/Ukraine one actually working every time)

even better
>Germany just announced 4billion€ defense grant for Ukraine
>mostly to be spend on German Ukraine joint venture production in Germany to be delivered to Ukraine
even crazier, the price for the Auterion/Airlogix is about ~39k€ produced in Munich, the most expensive German city
which is lower than russian domestic production kek

also skynode is genuinely cool tech

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>>65078079
Kek. This is like when Ming dynasty China adopted samurai swords and called it a wodao.

>>65079884
>However, an efficient wing will be 4 meters or more long so it would be better to disassemble it into two or three parts.
Unnecessary complexity and weight (single solid part is stronger). Until you length is above 6 meters (cargo length for euro medium trucks) you don't really need shortening.

>I really don't think that should be a concern since a launch site can be anywhere your launch van decides to stop and it's deep on friendly territory.
There is plenty of videos of Ukrianians drones hitting lancet teams when they erect launcher on technical and put drone on it.

>>65080005
Yes, we're quite americanized indeed here.

>>65080696
Sorry our #1 Song is a country song about Texas now. Euros are once again 10 years behind the curve.

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I still dont get the hype around these things when you could just buck break these slow flying, what are essentially, target drones.

>>65079712
More space to stuff fuel I guess.

>>65079922
Wut? The Germans are Japan in this case.

>>65080893
They fly high and go for civilian targets, not stuff defended by AA of any kind.

>>65078079
>to its rightful inventors.

the south african one is the OG anon

>>65078079
Range on these things and warhead? Too lazy to google

>>65081329
Probably comparable to shahed. The physics of it are the same in germany, russia or iran.

>>65081327
>the south african one is the OG anon
??
which would be?

to my knowledge Dornier DAR was the first one that looked like this

>>65081329
>Range on these things and warhead?
20-40kg warhead (vs 30-50kg Geran 2 with a 90kg option but rarely used)
1500km range (vs 2500km Geran 2, with heavy warhead it's only 1000km)

price will be similar
targeting, GNSS and comm should be significantly better

production will start at ~1k/month (Geran 2 is speculated at ~30k/month)
but planned to quickly ramp up to ~5k/month

>>65082705
>to my knowledge Dornier DAR was the first one that looked like this
the dar came 5 years later to the ard 10
people just dont know about it because it never went to production they only had 5 prototypes

>>65081144
No. They'd be the Chinese in the analogy. The Yamato came from the mainland with Chinese swords. They eventually developed nihonto endemic to their culture. Chinese then developed their traditional dao into wodao after seeing what the Japs were able to make.

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>>65078424
He tall.

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>>65082982
>the dar came 5 years later to the ard 10
uhh absolutely not...

Dronier DAR was formally presented in 1985
Project start was in 1980
which came from the LOCUST program, started in the 70s
also joint program between the US and Germany (mainly Dornier and Northrop)
pic related is 1977

the Kentron ARD-10 was a secret until it's sale in 1989
and even if Germany knew (due to under the table relations), the development of the ard-10 started in the mid 1980s, likely at the same time the Dornier DAR was formally published

so stop talking bullshit
Dornier DAR was the first.

>>65083149
Kinda hard not to feel like the Übermensch when you're surrounded by manlets.

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>>65083199
2/2 more designs

if you're more interested
>https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/us-german-harassment-drone-locust-dar-designs.29312/
which are the only images you can see online

otherwise just visit
>Dornier Museum Friedrichshafen
if you ask nicely they let you look at old records, they have a big archive with drawings / technical documents
no photos though
they actually have a bunch of drawings of the DAR dated on the early 80s
>t. been there twice

the other option
>Bundesarchiv Abteilung Militärarchiv
it's in Freiburg
the cool ones are
>Bestand BV 5
>Bestand BV 7
they're very stingy with the 60 year classification
and you have to make an appointment
otherwise free unlimited access as German citizen, not sure how it's handled for foreigners though

>>65083199
>Dornier and Northrop
Why can't these two ever be just normal?

The only way to make this worse would be to resurrect Blohm & Voss.

>>65083199
>Kamikaze-Einsatze
huh, someone already described them as kamikaze drones in 1977? can we drop the term one-way attack drone already, it sounds gay as fuck.

>>65083247
>someone already described them as kamikaze drones
yes
but they were also described as
>Einweg Fluggerät
so one way drone

the differentiation always comes because there were versions for surveillance that flew only one way completely and should be picked up on landing "somewhere"
kamikaze were the versions that actually exploded
the AD saturation variants were also designed for reuse