Not really. Socom did double in size, but the mission profile and reach expanded too; plus a lot of the perceived bloat is support personnel rather than shooters. Yes they would be useful in the same way they were used in Vietnam. I realize that Senezh leaf suit shit is a sensitive topic for Ukrainians, but that behind-lines logistics harassment, ambushing and sabotage is literally one of the core roles of SOF going back to MACV, that's what your SOF units would be doing much more of in a peer war than training thirdies. And as you can see in both Vietnam and on both sides in Ukraine, that's a job with a very short life expectancy so its good to have a few hundred more guys on tap to replace losses.

>>65177470
It's really more that Delta became an even higher tier unit and thus represents the only true Tier 1 unit, with everything else being lower.
>inb4 seething euros claim their SF units who never do anything are totally on Delta's level
>inb4 seething russians and chinktards claim their actually trained non-meatwave soldiers are totally on Delta's level
>inb4 seething SEALtards

They did amazingly well during the Maduro raid. They raided so fast Maduro couldn't close his escape room door.

>>65177539
I heard on a podcast that the operator barely stopped him from closing that door with the barrel of his rifle.

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>>65177528
Russia could have easily captured Zelensky if they wanted to.

>>65177561
I love that they're astroturfing spetsnaz being massacred in Kyiv trying to do that exact thing. What was that Russian term for lying but we know they're lying and they know we know they're lying?

>>65177677
blyat!

>>65177677
"Vranyo" is the word you are looking for.

>>65177677
>I love that they're astroturfing spetsnaz being massacred in Kyiv trying to do that exact thing
I dont understand this, and as a result I dont think astroturfing means what you think it means.

>>65177470
Delta, besides all the rigerous qualifications you do need legit combat experience compared to seals or special forces which some kid can make their mos from the get go.

>>65177470
I wonder if governments get scared about concentrating and equipping hundreds of men into apex tier killers. Like what kind of safeguards and monitoring is in place to ensure loyalty.

>>65177528
This is facts. Well them and the extremely weird esoteric SFO groups we have kicking around that barely anyone talks about like TSO who we don't even know who the commander is due to that being classified information. You can look up who runs the NSA, but you can't find out who runs TSO without the right clearance level. In general though, I agree with you, specifically because these weird ass groups all seem to be Frankensteined together with dudes from all sorts of different branches and backgrounds.

>>65178774
The only people afraid of that are dictators since you can't topple even a weak government like that. You need cultural issues and corruption that baffle the mind, a strongman style government, and general incompetence in the military that is a feature and not a bug. Think Arab militaries.

>>65178569
Day 0, 1, 2, and 3 of the war, Ukraine caught a metric fuckton of spetsnaz and FSB agents in Kyiv. Some were marking targets for airstrikes (most of which never came because of MANPADS and Ukrainian jets contesting airspace and such) but others were directly hunting for Zelensky and possibly other VIPs. By the end of day 1 it was so widely known that random guys violating curfew and acting suspiciously were essentially getting lynched, or beaten half to death by local police if they were lucky. Since the whole operation was a massive failure, Russkies just act like it didn't happen and I think anon is implying that they're astroturfing that narrative indirectly

>>65178854
That isn't anything new man. The FFL tried to perform a coup decades ago. It doesn't work like that, and your retarded LARP will just get you a knock on the door.

>>65178648
>do need legit combat experience

No. Anyone can apply. Cooks can apply.

>>65178835
Oh I doubt delta have a clue when it comes to mindnumbing bureacracy and office admin found in government, but something like a los zetas situation.

But I just realized the US specifically dont have to care because any former delta guy doesnt need to resort to overt crime because he can probably slide right into a significantly better paid and legitimate job on retiring because the us mil industrial complex is rich enough to do just that, so nvm

>>65178774
That's what happened with Unit 777. Delta Force trained them, came back a few years later and couldn't find anyone they trained. Turns out the Egyptian government was scared of a competent force and replaced them with family members. That's why the EgyptAir mission was such a huge fuckup.

>>65178569
fucking tourists...

>>65178926
Cooks fight hard against hunger and malnutrition

>>65178985
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_684
About the only thing I can recall.
>SK wants to copy Blue House
>make suicide squad
>mission gets scrubbed
>squad thinks they will get liquidated
>goes rogue

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>>65177470
>Did so-called Tier 1 special operations units in the US and NATO become bloated during the Global War on Terror?
Not really no, they were just the ones doing the heavy lifting in Asymmetric Warfare.

>US Army Tier 1 units:
Delta Force/ACE/CAG
Intel Support Activity
75th RRC
Aviation Technology Office

>USAF
24th STS
AvTEG

>US Navy
DEVGRU/Team 6

>US Marines
MARSOC or whatever they're called now

>>65179895
marsoc isn't tier 1

>>65179899
They've been trying to become something other than what they've calling themselves. I think by now they've just given up on it after integrating Force Recon.
Marines don't know what they want.

>>65179895
>literally any of those being equivalent to Delta
lol

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>>65177470
Daily reminder all western specops ubermen operate Glocks while /k/ fat brownies shit on them constantly.

>>65179895
this reminds me that the US ambassador to mexico is former CIA paramilitary, who was previously an army SOF colonel. trump wanted him to tackle the cartels.

>>65179895
Never understood wolf hound squad weapon/gear choices. Why AK's and a PKM? If you're running covert deniable ops that require tac gear, The L3 Harris quad tubes immediately give them away as Western forces. So why dick around with anything other than the weapons they already train with stateside?

>>65179997
>Why AK's and a PKM?
They were operating in Eastern Europe at the time, and the only forces that seem to be against them are the BSAA BOWs. The AKs were probably just a local budget thing, but Umber Eyes does have an AR10.

>>65179997
putting more thought into it than designers did

>>65179932
Name one that uses stock glock
>its so good they change 90% of it!

>>65178848
I think neither of you know what astroturfing is.

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>>65179997
it looks cool

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>>65179932
>be western specops ubermen
>use glocks
>lose war in Afghanistan to pedophile worshippers using the Martini Henri

>>65177528
>>65178648
How can Amerifats on /k/ keep getting confused between regular Navy SEALS and DEVGRU?
You are aware that Delta Force, and DEVGRU are both tier one units and both on the same level right? I’m not even American and even I know this.
>>65179918
They’re all on the same level as Delta you dumb Delta fanboy. You know Delta isn’t the secretive unit you still think it is. Many former Delta operators these days are getting drunk on podcasts and blabbering on like incoherent retards and starting fights online like all your country’s other Special Operations units are.
The only true quiet professional Special Operation unit you burgers have left are ISA, you literally never hear anything about them.

>>65177561
So the gloves still didn't come off after more than 4 years of this shitshow? Russian patience seems to be infinite.

>>65181829
>The only true quiet professional Special Operation unit you burgers have left are ISA
And the 24th STS

>>65177528
To me it feels like everyone else became less competent and Delta was merely the one to escape the brain drain.

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What about the Spartan II program?

>>65177470
In 2003 C Squadron invaded lraq from the West then had part of Abrams tank Company flown into a captured airfield to support their attack all the way to Tikrit.

>>65182290
What brain drain?
24th STS for an example are just as elite as Delta Force, the only reason why you would think otherwise is because you are a zoomer faggot fanboy who has grown up with the le operator fags posting their gay cqb videos all over social media.
Also at least the 24th and ISA dudes don’t run their mouths like retards and have meltdowns on podcasts like your precious Deltas have been doing in recent times.

>>65183620
Not that anon, but to be fair, most people don't even know that the USAF has special warfare

>>65179914
>integrating Force Recon

Force Recon was never integrated. It remains a separate entity.

>>65185442
I meant that they were trying

>>65177528
>AND THEY HATED HIM, FOR HE TOLD THE TRUTH
theyre still a bunch of bisexual junkies though.
>t. guy who moved into their old drug dealers apt and had them knocking on my door begging for street drugs for 3 years till I moved. goddamn I hated fayetteville.

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65185794

>>65177528
Prior to 9/11 only a tiny handful of Delta guys had ever even fired their weapons in combat, and they were old guys who had served in Panama or Somalia 8-12 years earlier. John Shrek Mcphee said the first time he was in combat was Tora Bora despite the fact that he enlisted in 2001. Jamie Caldwell saw combat the first time in Tora Bora despite enlisting in 1994. Chris Vansant enlisted in 1994 and only saw combat for the first time in 2003 in Iraq. Mike Pannone was in Delta from 1997-2000 and before that he was a Green Beret for 20 fucking years and he's said on livestreams how the only time he ever saw combat was working as an advisor with Asymmetric Warfare Group attached to a Marine infantry unit in the mid-2000s in Iraq. You can cope and seethe all you like, but mutts had ZERO combat experience going into the GWOT while basically everyone around them had extensive experience.

A British SAS guy in 2001 had either come directly from Kosovo, Sierra Leone in 2000, or Northern Ireland prior to 1998. Every single person in his chain of command had killed multiple IRA gunmen, and most of the SNCOs fought in the Falklands or participated in the Iranian Embassy Siege.

The Australian SASR operators who were directing airstrikes in Tora Bora in 2001 had been deployed non-stop since 1999 doing deep penetration jungle COIN operations in East Timor. The NZSAS guys who arrived in Afghan at the same time were in the same war in East Timor.

A Russian SOF guy in 2001 had Abkhazia, Georgia, then 2 Chechen wars and his leadership were all in Afghanistan from 1979-1989

>>65186728
>basically everyone around them had extensive experience
>lists 3 guys

lol

>>65186728
>proves him right

>>65186785
Cope
>>65186875
>yeah we had no combat experience against an actual competent enemy prior to 2001, but we started killing these useless incompetent ragheads in pajamas post 01 so that means where le better than you
Weird cope, but whatever helps you sleep at night my muttoid friend.

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>>65186728
Surely nobody in the US military's most elite combat unit in 2001 would be a veteran who served in one of the many operations of the late 80s and early 90s

>>65186942
Correct.

>>65186785
Are you retarded? the guys I listed were all Delta operators who were in Delta prior to 9/11

Of the Delta operators who fought in Mogadishu in 1993, Paul Howe left Delta and the Army in 1994. Dale Comstock was in Panama with Delta but he left in 1999 and was in CIA Ground Branch after 9/11.

amerimutt 'tier-1' units were falling out of helicopters on Takur Ghar and dying in droves because literally none of them had ever been in a gunfight
>>65186942
yes this is precisely my point

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>>65177496
>literally one of the core roles of SOF going back to MACV
> training thirdies
They were doing both btw

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>>65177470
They got mogged by niggas with PKMs for years, no wonder they're all addicts now

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>>65177547
link?

>>65179932
Glocksuckers will tell you that you need to replace every stock part except the frame and then tell you it's a good gun.

>>65179876
Unit 684 was such a idiotic idea.
>Want to copy Nork's Unit 124
>Norks chose volunteer officers with two decades of experience
>ROK decides instead to grab random civilian thugs off the street and beat them up them on a island for 3 years killing seven of them
>Tell them it is called off but they are still stuck on the island probably forever
>Surprise! They break out and go on a rampage

>>65186728
Shut up faggot

>>65187220
>seething mutts hate hearing the truth
Typical

>>65178774
Not first world governments (except for Europe).

>>65179876
>>65187189
>be ruthless Best Korean super death squad
>get discovered by two brothers out fucking chopping trees
>wut do
1.Kill them.
2.Tie them up and continue mission.
3.Read Marx to them and let them go after they pinkie promise not to tell the police.
>they immediately tell the police which alert the ROK and US Army
>entire force gets wiped out except for 2, one knocked out by injury and captured and other solid snaked back to Best Korea
What the fuck is it with special forces and getting found by random ass civilians?

>>65187279
>truth
>US special forces repeatedly sneak into other countries and kill/capture HVT's with no casualties
>meanwhile
>veedeevee and spitznutz get wiped out walking 200km within their own fucking country
Cope and seethe.

>>65187308
>They got caught due to them not acting like Americans and sparing innocents
Truly the most moral army on earth.
>solid snaked back to Best Korea
Pak is still around, he is kinda a big deal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pak_Jae-gyong

>>65187311
>burger misses the point like always
What does any of this have to do with Brit and Aussie SF having more combat experience than American SOF prior to 2001?

>>65187174
I heard it a couple weeks ago. I don't remember the names.

>>65187086
The guys in the Maduro raid had no combat experience either and experienced 0 casualties.

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>>65178553
>Vranyo
I thought you were kidding
Holy kek

>>65187313
>sparing innocents
Kinda what went wrong with Red Wings.
>muh moral army
Orders of magnitude better than yours.

>>65187322
>prior to 2001
>what is Veitnam
>what is Grenada
>what is Panama
>what is Iraq
Go slither back into your sewer you fucking worm.

>>65187539
The KPA is turning out to be surprisingly ethical, half the Ukraine drone kills were them trying to save wounded guys and they are the only army involved that hasn't committed any war crimes that we know of. Not only that they have had war crimes committed against them by everyone including their own allies, if the Ukraine war ever had International Criminal Court trials for everyone involved they would come out untouched.

>>65187543
You forgot Somalia and about 8 different South American nations, among all the other places that we were never recognized to be operating in.

>>65187543
SAS were actively doing hits on IRA safe houses and long range recon and surveillance in the countryside all the way up until the Good Friday agreement in 1998 and even afterwards because IRA factions were still bombing people even after the ceasefire. They then went to Kosovo in 1999 and then to Sierra Leone in 2000 and fought deep in the jungle against African militias. By 2001 the most recent combat experience anyone in SAS had was 12 months ago at the latest.

Delta in 2001 sent A squadron to Tora Bora and the last time anyone from A squadron was in combat was 1989 in Panama. Shut the actual fuck up you pathetic retarded faggot. I know more about your own army than you do

>Bongs unironically think Northern Ireland is comparable to Afghanistan

>>65177528
I feel like Delta would be more like a Tier 0 at this point if there is even such a thing. The SEALs consistently fucking up in their ops thanks to the Obama admin having a boner for them, did not help their case and at one point it became even more practical to send in Rangers in most operations in where the SEALs used to deal with.

>>65187431
Your average Delta new guy is late 20s to early 30s, meaning the newest hypothetical guy on the Maduro raid enlisted in 2016 which was early enough to see combat if they were a Ranger which most CAG guys are. The entire rest of Delta in 2026 is full of guys who joined in the last 20 years which was when the GWOT was in full swing. Tier 1 units are full of old guys and you're completely fucking retarded. Australian SASR recently lost a Warrant Officer in a parachute training incident and the guy was 50 years old, enlisted in 1994.
>>65188706
4000 fucking people died in NI, that's 1000 more than 9/11. There were literally thousands of bombings and attacks done by the IRA with thousands of active members and tens of thousands of civilians directly involved in aiding both sides. The IRA had the best bomb-makers in the entire world, plastic explosives, stinger missiles, mortars, RPGs, belt-fed machineguns, and were successful in assassinating multiple British HVTs, lords, nearly killed the Prime Minister and the Royal Family.

The British experience in NI put them fucking leagues ahead in both Afghan and Iraq in terms of EOD you absolute fucking retard. The last time a mutt soldier even saw a landmine prior to 9/11 was Vietnam.

>>65177561
Russia wouldn't be able to capture Zelensky even if he was airdrop hogtied in the middle of Moscow.

>>65178826
Honestly what freaks me out more is the people that they deploy to secure UAP crash sites for retrieval of tech and corpses and the people Majestic uses to silence anyone who comes close to divulging anti-gravity tech.

>>65179997
You're trying to make sense of what goes on inside the minds of Japanese airsofters at Capcom. It's a futile exercise.

>>65188720
It was a period of 30 years of terror attacks. Your euro faggotry is showing

>>65187136
Well, to be fair, the PKM is Mikhail Kalashnikov's most brilliant creation and the western world has been failing at coming up with something like that for the past 60+ years.

>>65187728
Norktard, put your trip on.

>>65188720
>The British experience in NI put them fucking leagues ahead in both Afghan and Iraq in terms of EOD you absolute fucking retard.
okay, buddy

>>65187543
>what is Veitnam
No one from that war was operating in 2001
>what is Grenada
No one from that war was operating in 2001
>what is Panama
No one from that war was operating in 2001
>what is Iraq
Barely any operators from 91 were still in during 01.
I understand your American reading comprehension is fucked up, but how can you not understand this. I’ll make it easier for you:
British SAS were operating in Northern Island only a few years earlier and in Sierra Leone only a year earlier, which meant the guys going into to Afghanistan had more recent experience than American SOF.
Australian SASR had been operating in East Timor for the past two years, which meant they had more recent experience than American SOF.
Do you get it now?
>>65188126
>You forgot Somalia
Once again barely any operators from 93 were still in by 01.

>>65188720
>4000 fucking people died in NI, that's 1000 more than 9/11.
Man I can't believe that the 30 year long insurgency has a higher death toll then a single terrorist attack
Also
>The SAS doing surveillance and counter terrorism operations in Northern Ireland somehow translates to fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan against the Taliban

>>65188788
>>The SAS doing surveillance and counter terrorism operations in Northern Ireland somehow translates to fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan against the Taliban
Literally yes. SAS, SBS, SASR, and NZSAS were in Afghanistan in 2001 and all of them had extensive combat experience in Ireland, Sierra Leone, or Timor.

Meanwhile mutt "tier 1" operators in DEVGRU were falling out of helicopters and dying and giving themselves MOHs for getting BTFO by a handful of illiterate afghans who then killed an entire Ranger Regiment on the HLZ whilst having no night vision and a few rusty AK47s.

mutts lost like 7000 KIA during the GWOT while other anglo countries like NZ lost like 3 people in one IED incident and Australia lost 40, mostly to helicopter crashes

>>65177528
It's difficult to tell the difference between bait and mutt arrogance, Poe's law and all that, but the leaks one of your Discord zoomers shared clearly showed that the SAS were the most prevalent on the ground operators in Ukraine

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>>65188770
>what is Grenada
>No one from that war was operating in 2001
>what is Panama
>No one from that war was operating in 2001
>what is Iraq
>Barely any operators from 91 were still in during 01.

False.

>>65188802
>The countries that had less troops in theater had smaller causality rates

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>>65186728
>A British SAS guy in 2001 had either come directly from Kosovo
Delta was also in Kosovo you retard

i'm not sure some people realize how active US SOF units have been in small foreign operations for the last several years.

>>65188829
NTA but
>I'm going to reply to a longer comment with a basic bitch, short ass counter comment and pretend that I'm more intelligent
Pick it apart, nigger

>>65188843
See
>>65188844
Explain. Don't make other people do your work for you, as mutts normally do

>>65188802
>Literally yes. SAS, SBS, SASR, and NZSAS were in Afghanistan in 2001 and all of them had extensive combat experience in Ireland, Sierra Leone, or Timor.
None of those conflicts were on the same scale as GWOT and bringing up Northern Ireland is absolutely retarded because as said earlier most of what the SAS did there was low-vis urban operations

>>65188844
>No I took a really long time to write this reply, stop making fun of me

>>65188867
I do expect you to put effort into picking apart somebody else's argument. Well done for noticing

>>65188881
:)

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>>65188770
Dale Comstock was in all of those except Vietnam.

>>65188851
can you not google? i just did.

>>65188826
Dalton Fury was a high-up officer in Delta and never shot anyone or personally saw combat. Pete Blaber was nearly at 20 years when he went to Tora Bora in 2001 and has said he never saw combat there either.
>>65188836
Not A squadron who went to Tora Bora.
>>65188854
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
28 killed in an IED in 1998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonoe_ambush
4 IRA ambushed before they could light up a police station with a DsHK HMG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush
8 IRA gunmen
Hundreds of thousands of soldiers participated in Operation Banner, it was one of the largest COIN operations in military history.
>>65188898
He left Delta in 1999 and was in CIA after 9/11

>>65188963
In Dalton Fury's book he talks about the experience of the men on his team and the men on his team had been in all those conflicts.

>>65188963
Dale Comstock was a contractor, but he was never in the CIA.

The delta dick riding this board has for them is shill tier

>>65188968
If some Delta guy in 2001 was an embassy guard in Vietnam in 1975 at the age of 18, he would be 43 in 2001 and likely an E9 sitting in a tent watching a screen. The idea that Delta in 2001 was full of 80yo men like Billy Waugh or MACVSOG guys in their 60s is completely and utterly retarded.

>>65189115
Note that I didn't quote Vietnam in the previous post.

>>65189115
The average combatant age in the Ukranian Army today is around 40-45 yrs old. It isn't far fetched to imagine that the cream of the crop of Delta Force was around 40ish during the early years of the War on Terror.

>>65189121
You're a completely disingenuous faggot.
>Grenada
fighting was over in 4 days, whole conflict ended by the end of the week
>Panama
fighting only lasted 15 hours
>Desert Storm
fighting lasted 100 hours
>Mogadishu
fighting only lasted 18 hours

If in 2001 a 45 year old Delta Operator had somehow miraculously been in Delta and deployed to literally all of those conflicts, he would still have a combined combat experience of less than 1 week.

Now compare that with Operation Banner which lasted 38 years. Kill yourself

>>65189198
See >>65188706

>>65188881
>I do expect you to put effort into picking apart somebody else's argument.
Because it's a dogshit argument
>Militaries that contributed less troops and saw less combat had lower casualty rates than the Americans who outnumbered them 10:1
Wow no shit Sherlock

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>>65189198
It's not my fault you didn't read carefully. Also there was more than 1 combat operation in Somalia. BHD was the most famous event, but they were taking out dudes for weeks before that. Howard Wasdin talks about it in his book.

>>65189198
>it's a redditor
Tip: 95% of this stuff is not on wikipedia today and 50% of it never will be.

>>65189245
>they were taking out dudes for weeks
The task force went for less than 2 months.
Which is longer? 6 weeks or 38 years?
>>65189211
IRA were literally near-peer adversaries with modern SAM units and billions of dollars worth of munitions from Gaddafi. Taliban were 60IQ savages in mud huds

>>65189274
>The task force went for less than 2 months.
>Mogadishu fighting only lasted 18 hours
>You're a completely disingenuous faggot.

Irony.

>>65189284
Yeah literally zero kinetic operations right up until that operation. Tom Satterley talks about shooting one singular person once prior to the battle of modadishu. I'll revise the 18 hour number to 18 hours and 0.1 seconds to account for the flight time of the 5.56 round fired from less than 100m on one occasion.

Set yourself on fire and livestream it

>>65189289
See >>65189245

>>65180058
They don't, you are in the right

>>65188826
>>65188898
>b-b-but what about those two guys
One was a high ranking Officer by 2001 and was far away from any danger and the other wasn’t even in the Military by 01.
You mutts are really getting desperate now…

>>65189624
>One was a high ranking Officer by 2001 and was far away from any danger

He was an O-4 and on the ground with his troops.

>>65188706
>>65188854
We know both wars are not comparable, but that’s beyond the point. Because at the end to the day it was still experience. The average British SAS had recent experience, the average American SOF didn’t, simple as.

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>>65189274
>IRA were literally near-peer adversaries

is it possible that the delta operators who had actual combat experience in the leadup to iraq/afghanistan are guys we simply don't know of because they weren't allowed to talk about it in public?

>>65189222
If it's so shit then it should have an easy time countering it

How does one even objectively measure what 'tier' an SOF unit is?

>>65190648
Tier is just a funding term. Tier 1 means they get priority funding which is the most. JSOC units are tier 1, but other units can temporarily be tier 1. Like if Delta needs a battalion of Rangers on a mission, that battalion will be tier 1 for the duration of training and deployment.

>>65189856
That guy is just being a selective idiot.

>>65189657
>he was sitting back at base, looking at a screen and sending his men on missions.
FTFY

>>65191408
Nope. Read the book.

>>65179997
I think its not about them getting spotted but about what they leave behind which optimally would only be bullets. If those match the arsenal of local forces then you're good. AR10 might futz that theory up tho.

>>65189856
No. Pete Blaber and Tom Greer, both Officers in Delta, wrote books about their time in Afghanistan in 2001. There was literally no "secret" people who weren't allowed to talk, they've all literally written books and done multiple podcast circuits.

I think you fundamentally don't understand how the military works. The Sabre squadrons in Delta aren't populated by 50 year old men hobbling out of the helicopters on zimmer frames being commanded by someone who fought in WW2. The smallest unit is a 6-man squad. The guy in charge is in his mid-40s at the latest and the newest guy is maybe 28-30.
In Tora Bora, maybe 1 or 2 of the senior NCOs were veterans from Panama or Iraq and maybe they did absolutely nothing while they were there. The Officers in charge of them weren't on the ground in any capacity either, they were present in the country but spent their entire deployment in front of a screen holding a radio.

If you're a regular boring infantry officer in an active warzone your likelihood of even firing your weapon in combat is almost zero. You're so far behind the FLOT that you don't ever see any of the actual fighting taking place, and if you are close enough then you spend the entirety of your time talking on two different radios and looking at a map while sitting behind a rock. Now imagine you're an Officer at Company HQ even fucking further back from the fighting. The idea that Pete Blaber or Tom Greer were doing CQB and personally shooting people is hilariously delusional.

>>65191478
BTW this info came to me in a dream.

>>65189856
>mutts are getting so desperate for their super special deltas, they’re now making up fictitious operations just to make themselves feel better
All this simply because you fat retards can’t accept that in 2001 the 22 SAS and the SASR had more recent combat experience than Delta Force/DEVGRU combined. And I’ll be the first to say that it’s not the case anymore, but 25 years ago, it was.
All in all pretty pathetic effort from you burgerfags.
>>65191494
Just like your make believe Delta operations that were totally real and definitely way more extreme than anything the 22 has ever done, but we don’t know about them because…uhhhhh it’s le super hecking secret and uhh reasons…

>>65194748
Try reading some books instead of getting your info from ChatGPT.

>>65194755
Which books are these? You mean the ones where your country’s ‘‘‘‘‘operators’’’’’ exaggerate or just straight up lie about operations they went on?
Go on post the books that show even the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that your precious Delta Force were engaged in more combat within the 5 years prior to 2001 compared to the 22 SAS or even SASR, I’ll wait.

>>65197229
>your country’s ‘‘‘‘‘operators’’’’’ exaggerate or just straight up lie about operations they went on?

Try applying the same skepticism to yours.

>>65189245
I read his mediocre book and his experience was nowhere near as intense when compared to what Delta Force was getting up to in Somalia.

>>65177561
People forget that the reason Venezuela went off so smoothly was that someone in the Venezuela govt.assisted the US.

>>65178826
What is TSO?

>>65177470
>so-called Tier 1 special operations units in the US and NATO become bloated during the Global War on Terror?
They got comfortable focusing on high value target direct action missions. Any infantryman can do a HVT raid, especially a preplanned raid with more than a week to practice and prepare.

Special forces is about more than cowadooty raids. They're about infiltration, influence and training friendly rebellions in the enemy's back yard.

>>65197709
Task Force Orange AKA ISA

>>65197765
Disagree that any infantryman can pull of hvt raids. I do agree that sof got hyper focused on it and it's going to result in people dying in a near peer conflict. The good news is everyone seems to know it so I can imagine they're pivoting away from it and cross training with Ukrainian sof rn.

Problem for them is going to be continuing to pull motivated recruits since large war sof duties are a hell of a lot more boring than doorkicking every night.

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I was embedded with JSOC on TF 626 back in 2003-2004 working for OGA. Pretty cool stuff. My TL called the SF guys the Armed Amish Resistance for their beards and flannels. Will post some pics.

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>>65198221
As a tea drinker, I liked having the Brits there.

>>65198221
that white ak is pure sex holy shit

>eurofag conveniently forgets about ussocom involvement in the balkans from 95-01
>and haiti before that in 94
>and somalia before that in 93
>and desert storm before that
>and so on and so forth
that being said, delta and the sas have been tight since the 60s you fucking nigger
they regularly cross train and exchange personnel for work ups and actual ops

>>65198436
There was also South America stuff hardly talks about.

>>65197290
Oh please no other country is as bad as your country’s SOF when it comes to embellishing everything. 22 SAS only have a few former guys on podcasts, but without all the gay drama and crying like your country’s SOF units do. While the SASR and NZSAS aren’t even on anything.

>>65200642
But you know so much so obviously they do talk. You keep contradicting yourself.

>>65198436
>>65198455
Ok and you have evidence that says Delta Force saw MORE combat within the previous 5 years prior to 2001 than the 22 SAS and SASR?
Remember that’s what this whole thing is all about, we’re not talking about today, we’re talking about 25 years ago. But you fats can’t seem to accept that Brits and Aussies were at once stage more experienced than your own.
>delta and the sas have been tight since the 60s you fucking nigger
Delta wasn’t even around back in the 60s you dumb fuck, I know more about your Military than you do. That’s the thing you lot are new to this game, Anglos aren’t…never forget that.

>>65200671
Talking about their experience is fine. Having entire meltdowns and lashing out against their your own former teams online on the other hand is fucking retarded and petty and your country’s SOF (even your beloved Deltas) have been doing the latter a lot recently.

>>65200696
I wish I can talk back but I know so little about SAS because I don't care. No one really cares outside of UK lol. You're so obsessed with another country.

This fag is crying about combat experience and old dudes not being in the fight because he doesn’t know what AWG is. Not sure what they have rebranded to because I haven’t bothered to look but Asymmetric Warfare Group was essentially the retirement home for tier one operators. A bunch of E-8s/9s and O-5s that were too old and broke down or couldn’t make the next rank with 205+ years under their belts already. They are kind of like the DARPA of operators testing out new technology, coming up with ways to deal with emerging threats on the battlefield, plotting cartoonish schemes that are often mission specific, and then helping integrate them into training and doctrine. I got to work with them when I was stationed at Meade. They were posted up at the old jailhouse (super confusing place to walk around the inside of supposedly to prevent prisoners escaping) and they still had the old hanging gallows. They taught a weapons course on the base which was extremely based and my trigger finger has never fully recovered from. I also got to work with them while testing out the effectiveness of drones at AP Hill after some early use in Syria. Seen and heard about some other secret squirrel shit they had going on but yeah just because these dudes aren’t on the line doesn’t mean they aren’t still there contributing and shaping doctrine and battle planning. Their knees and backs are just too fucked to be of use anymore kek.

>>65200949
They disbanded some years ago.

>>65188720
Overwhelming majority of 11bs in 75th, whether 1/2/3 did not see combat in that time frame

t. H2 anon in that time frame

>>65200979
From my understanding they rebranded and moved under strictly JSOC and dropped the big army shit.

>>65200713
I accept your concession.

>>65200949
>all this seething
I’m not reading your retarded rant dude.
Anyway the 22 SAS and the SASR still had more combat experience than your little Deltas prior to 2001.
The end.

>>65201088
>Seethe
No I’m laughing at you
>Im not reading that
Because it directly refutes everything you have to say. This is what willful retardation looks like and it is rampant in bongland.

these guys would die just as quickly as any other soldier in Ukraine.
they're trained in hostage rescue and some firefights with hajis trapped in a room.
they have huge logistics behind them.
without all that support they don't mean much.
snipers could be useful.
roided crossfitters not do much.

>>65198365
It was taken off a high level Zarqawi sheik who chose to shoot it out with ST3 and got shot and survived only to reside in a black site.

>>65197594
It was probably Maduro himself desu. Bringing his wife along was part of his asylum deal.

>>65188982
It's pretty weird and sad.

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>>65177470
What does /k/ know about the unit?

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>>65177561

>>65179914
> Marines don't know what they want.
As is tradition

>>65179997
It's funny

>>65201974
More than most, less than some

>>65201124
You’re a faggot of epic proportions who has been rolling around on the floor pissing and shitting yourself for the past week over the fact that your precious Delta were sitting in the US with their dicks in their hands until 9/11 happened.

You faggots had no combat experience, all your gay podcast bros literally described on camera how they had no combat experience until the GWOT happened.

SASR and NZSAS were in Timor 1999-2001. SAS were in Sierra Leone in 2000.
Delta shot ZERO people since 1993 in Somalia and you suck hairy nigger cock.

Kill yourself

>delta had less combat experience 30 years ago aaahhhh aaiiieeee i must chimp out for a week of my life over this
Who cares?

>>65188720
Also to add, the IRA received materiel support from the mutts. Never relax.

>>65202317
Kek I’m not reading all that. Fag.

>>65201124
>Because it directly refutes everything you have to say
>What it says: Muh le Asymmetric Warfare Group
No one cares about that you fucking nerd.
Did Delta Force have more combat experience than the British SAS prior to 9/11…NO.
Well that settles it then, you precious little Delta boys weren’t as battle hardened when compared to the SAS.
You can now go cry in the corner about it.

>>65203635
Tell us about these battles they were in.

Isn't the Ranger Reconnaissance Detachment considered Tier 1?
Back in the day a dude from there used to post in /meg/. Wonder what he's up to now.

>>65177528
DEVGRU is tier one. Sorry you failed selection for the joke unit of SOCOM, MARSOC.

>sennybridge washout still going on about pre 9/11
lol its like the fat retards that still talk about their glory days playing high school sports lmao
did some cross training sasr when I was youngerz though. chill dudes, not uptight fags ranting about the 90s

>>65200949
Asymmetric Warfare Group was founded in 2006 you lying faggot. Former US Army Green Beret and Delta Operator Mike Pannone served in AWG and he has said on multiple podcasts how he never saw combat during his entire military career prior to 9/11 and he was in Delta from 1997-2000. He went to Iraq with AWG with a conventional Marine unit and got shot at from a few miles away and that's it. I mentioned Mike Pannone and AWG fucking hundreds of posts ago but you're too much of a faggot cuck you can't even read.

>he's still going

>>65178774
That is basically the story of the Praetorian Guard.
Usually the answer is to move them around a lot, I guess.

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You just know this seething Bong is a fat brownoid who couldn't make the cut for guarding a fucking depot so now he jacks off to his cucked country's "SF". Sorry 'mate' Captain Price is a fictional character and your nation is overrun by mentally handicapped rapists.

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>>65205068
>your nation is overrun by mentally handicapped rapists.
we're still talking about the UK, right?

>>65205095

>b-but you have immigrants too!

Yeah except unlike you queers we can just kill them with the guns and knives we own, and we can also post things on the internet without worrying that some fat cunt will get her feelings hurt and send us to prison for 120+ years. Seriously, y'all are so pathetic it actually pains me to see my fellow white men lower themselves like this.

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>>65205128
>xhe thinks im talking about the immigrants

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>>65205138
> Lives in rape capital of the world
> Cries about America

>>65203635
>>65204808
BONGONGONGONGONGONGONG. Seethe more kek.

>>65203659
It was literally mentioned by me and another guy in multiple posts from earlier, if you took the time to actually read what you were crying about instead of just constantly seething about everything, then you wouldn’t need to ask.
But here it is fag:
22SAS constantly fought in Northern Ireland for decades until 1998. After this they went on to fight in Sierra Leone in 2000.
SASR and NZSAS had been fighting nonstop in East Timor for the past two years prior to 9/11.
So as we can see the British SAS, Australian SASR and the New Zealand SAS all saw more combat than the entire American SOF combined within the 5 years prior to 2001.
Keep crying muttoid faggot.

>>65205997
Oh so basically nothing. Gotcha.

>>65205997
Why are you bongs so angry all the time? Is it because your “empire” fell apart?

>>65206037
Timor was a near-peer conflict. The enemy were literally Indonesian soldiers in civilian clothing who crossed the border into Timor and carried out Company-level operations in the jungle against the Australian and New Zealand Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aidabasalala
6 SASR vs 60 pro-indonesia militia, only unlike Redwings Australia didn't crash 2 helicopters, get 30 people killed and make a movie about it.
>>65206125
the strait of Hormuz is still closed you buckbroken ziocuck migger

>>65206769
Wow that is intense. I stand corrected. Australia #1!

>>65206769
That changed from brits to aussies real quick when you realized brit SAS experience after WW2 was almost entirely literal police work for the RUC that is on par with the swat team of any American city with dark skins, I notice

>>65207144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_Kingdom_in_the_20th_century

SAS were stacking bodies in Korea, Kenya, Egypt, Oman, Yemen, Malaya, Indonesia, Northern Ireland, The Falkland Islands, Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, then Sierra Leone.

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>>65205997
>>65206769
>one skirmish
>fighting nonstop in East Timor
lmao based retard. Reminder that the tactics the SAS employed in NI also failed utterly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>65207331
>the tactics the SAS employed in NI also failed utterly in Iraq and Afghanistan
Are you unironically claiming that the SAS went around in civilian clothes trying to make friends with Al Queda in local Afghan/Iraqi pubs?
>"oi mate my name's nigel al ackbari from Ramadi, you haven't seen any WMDs have ya old chap?"

CIA Ground Branch got Mike Spann beaten to death in Afghanistan in 2001. Then DEVGRU fell out of a helicopter and died, then John Chapman got killed by 3 guys on a mountain with no night vision and a rusty AK between them. Then two Chinooks crashed and dozens of Rangers died in Takur Ghar. Then Pat Tillman got killed with friendly fire. Jessica Lynch got taken POW and another 7000 mutts died in the GWOT before SEALs got BTFO in Redwings and 30 died and 2 chinooks got shot down. Then DEVGRU Gold Squadron got wiped out as another 40 guys got killed in one helicopter crash. Finally the mutt war in afghanistan ended with hundreds of Marines getting suicide bombed to death at the fucking airport.

>>65207353
>Finally the mutt war in afghanistan ended with hundreds of Marines getting suicide bombed to death at the fucking airport.
i know that nothing will remain in your brain but it was ~13 US personnel killed and then like 200 civilians

>>65177528
>>65179895
whatt's the story behind seal team 6 ? how is it different from other seal them and why ?

>>65206769
>Indonesian soldiers
>near-peer

lmao

>>65188720
you don't need +30 year of combat experience to train to raid Maduro's residence with a life size replica for +30 days, after having more than a year of intense selection and formation in every aspect of combat.

>>65207626
They're in JSOC. They get the most funding, so they get the best training, the best gear, the best resources, the best personnel, etc. Which means they're most likely to do high priority missions like the Captain Phillips rescue.

>>65207353
You're so desperate for a win you have to bring up fuckups from other groups when you were originally talking about Delta lol.

>>65207643
ok but why ? aren't seals in general supposed to do SO ?

>>65207653
Anyone off the street can be a SEAL. To get into Team 6 you have to be a proven operator on the regular teams first. Only SEALs with good reputations are allowed to try out and more than half fail selection.

>>65207353
>and dozens of Rangers died in Takur Ghar
??????

>>65207818
Like all his info, it was revealed to him in a dream.

>>65207627
Yes, Company level patrols by the Indonesian Army which is trained in jungle warfare and issued with with modern weapons counts as near-peer when the Australian and NZ contingents were small forces of Peacekeepers. The NVA in Vietnam were near-peer. The Japanese in the Pacific were near-peer.

But somehow soldiers from Panama are equivalent to Delta right? Disingenuous faggot.
>>65207647
You've been BTFO literally hundreds of times in this thread so far.
>>65207818
Two fucking chinooks got shot down by goat herders with no night vision killing multiple Rangers and wounding far more. Meanwhile the two SASR operators who infiltrated on foot remained undetected throughout the entire battle and coordinated hundreds of airstrikes keeping your worthless mutt asses alive.

Perhaps because they had combat experience prior to 9/11 lmao

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>>65208398
>Indonesian Army
You keep saying this despite the fact that sources you provided literally state they fought against local militias
>modern weapons
LOL, LMAO even

>>65202586
>>65204308
>>65205068
>>65205251
>>65206125
All this seething simply because you fat retarded mutts can’t accept that the British SAS had more combat experience than Delta Force prior to the GWOT. The 22 SAS have been around far longer than your Delta, so of course they were more experienced.
Are you obese homos such shills for your beloved Delta that you take telling truth to be an insult against your favourite SOF unit? You plebs are fucking lame.

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Uh oh
It looks like someone is having a melty

>>65208516
This is near-peer for Australia. Please understand.

>>65206037
Still more experience compared to what you burgers had.
>>65207144
What the fuck are you talking about? Can’t you read? (of course you can’t you’re a mutt) Aussie SASR has been getting constantly mentioned for over a week now you retarded burger.
>>65207331
Explain?
>>65207647
What was mentioned about Delta earlier wasn’t their fuck ups, but instead that they were far less experienced compared to the three SAS units, you would know this if you could read.
>>65207818
>>65207857
They got btfo

>>65208531
Have you ever considered converting to Sikh so you can carry a tiny knoife instead of having a melty on /k/?

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>>65208600
>They got btfo

>>65208398
Your story changes every time but we're the disingenuous ones.

>>65208629
Why are you trying to change the subject you faggot?
>>65208641
>if you win a battle that means you didn’t get embarrassed throughout the battle
Retard take.
>>65208729
Explain?

>>65208805
The most recent lie is dozens rangers dying. Stop exaggerating.

>>65208729
>Your story changes every time
No, the story is Delta did jack shit prior to 9/11 and you can't accept it

>>65208805
Oh my god you have considered it havent you? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>65209144
There you go exaggerating again.

>>65208805
In this post >>65189115 you brought up Vietnam even though I never said anything about it and then said I was disingenuous.

>>65186728
>The Australian SASR operators who were directing airstrikes in Tora Bora in 2001
The SASR wasn't at the battle of Tora Bora. You are probably confusing it with Anaconda, where the only one calling in airstrikes was the American CCT attached to the SASR team. Oddly enough whenever one of those 22 SAS vetbro youtubers were asked how the SASR compares they talk about them as if they were less than, I remember one guy even referring to them as tier 2 and claimed that the kiwi SAS was superior to the aussies.

>>65206769
So they failed a recon mission, shot a bunch of unprepared militia men (not soldiers), and ran away. I was expecting some kind of epic battle since you were boasting so much.

these are the gayest fucking threads on the board

>>65188589
>ignores all evidence to continue squealing
Go back to your sewer, you got BTFO.

>>65189676
>has to move the goalposts this hard
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>65200676
>he's still crying
LAMO

>>65177470
they lost against goat herders in Afghanistan tho

>>65212002
>lost
Yes I clearly remember the Taliban destroying multiple US armies, and forcing DC to surrender. Faggot.

haha imagine if delta was involved in an operation that wasn't publicised lol, lmao what are the odds?

>>65212339
they're not, we would've seen it on polymarket by now

Im not gonna read all this shit, but I think its worth pointing out that delta was heavily involved in hunting Serb war criminals in the late 90s. Idk if that's hardcore enough to meet the standards of 4channers, but its work.

>>65212565
They also helped in the death of Pablo Escobar.

>>65208849
>>65209457
>>65211993
>everyone I hate on /k/ is one person
I wasn’t the one who claimed that Army Rangers died in droves, that was some other poster.
But they still got shot down by some dudes in pajamas and in the end it resulted with three of them dying and multiple others were injured.
So yes they still did get BTFO, you lot can go and cry about it if you want.

>>65186728
Pic rel. is McPhee on the ground at Tora Bora. This consistent cope from Euro forces must come in large part from the fact that (discounting actions easily documented and corroborated from outside actors, e.g. Eagle Claw, Tora Bora, Absolute Resolve, etc.) literally no one but the US takes interoperational security seriously. Everything must be documented for review and disciplinary action by whinging bureaucrats. Mald.

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>>65213979
Whizzpopper of a miss

>>65188753
I will not, if i did it will give people like you a excuse to derail threads by pretending to engage with my Norktism like you are doing right now.

>>65213979
That's a typo he enlisted in 1991 in Ranger Battalion, never saw combat there, became a Green Beret, never saw combat there either, and went to Delta in 1996 and never saw combat until Tora Bora in 2001. He is literally the prime piece of evidence which proves that Delta did nothing and had no combat experience prior to the GWOT while the very SBS and SAS guys they deployed to Tora Bora with had extensive combat experience in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Sierra Leone. How fucking retarded do you have to be to not understand this?

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>>65207818
A Task Force had to bail out some SEALs. SEALs gave them bad info for helicopter LZ. Taliban and AQ target a Chinook and shoot it down, a Combat Controller got left behind by said SEAL team, a bunch of NightStalkers were killed in the crash, a USAF JTAC also died trying to coordinate a new LZ.

A this because the SEALs Commander in question fucked up in deploying people were involved in the Operation until deployment.
>The SEALs were not heavily involved in the Operation up to this point but the TF11 commander ordered their deployment as well as changing the immediate command in an ongoing operation, possibly so that the SEALs could gain combat experience.[5]

tldr Navy piss poor planning got a bunch of AFSOC and Army SOF killed.

>>65214723
>possibly so that the SEALs could gain combat experience
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA mutt faggots have been seething this whole thread about how their SOF totally had imaginary secret combat experience prior to 9/11 and it turns out they were so inexperienced they fucked up entire missions solely so they could get their nocombat neverdeployed Tier 1 SOF into a situation where they would maybe fire their weapons ever for the first time.

Fucking lmao

>>65214706
>extensive combat experience in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Sierra Leone
So you say Delta had no combat experience in the 90s and meanwhile the SAS was up to extremely intense combat in these areas, but you also pretend like Delta wasn't also in Kosovo and Bosnia doing the exact same shit? Make up your mind.

>>65214809
Sorry bud, even before GWOT bloat we had individual units larger than most countries entire SOF apparatus, when you've got 3k rangers they cant have all been to Mogadishu.

>>65214813
Zero Delta or TFO operators were killed or injured in Bosnia and they only arrived fucking YEARS after the UK. SAS and the regular UK military had been in Bosnia since 1992 and actually engaged in combat with Serbs, Croats, and Bosnian armies while intervening on behalf of the UN. Mutts literally just sat around in hotel lobbies and occasionally arrested 70 year old men accused of war crimes who all surrendered without resistance.

>Moving the goalposts again

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>>65214931
Combat experience = people being awarded CIBs. I just looked up Operation Amber Star and it turns out Delta literally never arrested one single war criminal. Not one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Amber_Star

>Resorting to ChatGPT
AHAHAHA

i cant be the only one who uses chatgpt to try and decipher esoteric reddit speak sometimes

>>65214931
>>65215217
You lost mutt, the Anglo posters have curb stomped the fuck out of you.
Time to hang up the old hat and call it quits, it’s pretty obvious that Delta saw no combat during the lead up to 9/11. All in all it’s over.

>>65215130
Holy shit mutts lie about everything HAHAHAHAH

>>65215570
>>65215562
samefag, quoting AI for "proof" to boot

>>65215130
>Soldiers with no law enforcement authority executed the enemy rather than arrest them
imagine my shock

>>65216416
>literally states SAS arrested a war criminal
b-but d-delta can't because t-they don't have a-authority

cry and seethe more you fanboy cuck

>>65217401
>arrested
>delta just killed them
Seems like Delta was more effective.

>>65217422
Name one single person indicted for war crimes who was killed by Delta.

>>65216381
>everyone I hate on /k/ is le one person
Not everyone on this board agrees with you Amerishat apes.

>>65216416
>>65217422
Delta Force has arrested people you absolute dumb cunt.

>the washout is still shitting and pissing himself that his boys from jolly fucking old are better at spreading globohomo than us zogmutts
gay and retarded thing to be proud of, honestly

>>65218326
>nooooooo I swear we didn’t really care and I was only just pretending to be retarded
Insane levels of cope, but I accept your concession anyway.

>>65218341
>my team was better than your team right up until about 2003
>then my team took a backseat to your team and ussocom has been running the special ops show ever since, in the name of globohomo
yeah I'm glad we could clear that up

>>65215562
>we're not gonna talk about gwot because we just aren't it doesn't count
lol okay