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>>65185815
Can you imagine the smell in there?

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>>65185815
Probably the crappiest modern tank that isn't just fictional like the Armata.
But the all-time winner still remains the Valiant.

>>65185848
>driver tries to shift gears
>he breaks his legs in the process
what were bongs thinking?

>>65185860
Crashing this tank design, with no survivors!

>>65185884
It has to actually exist first anon.

>>65185848
It was at least a valiant effort in tank experimentation

>>65185815
Add insult to injury by naming its weapon system
>120mm penetration CUM blast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8IJntjKnsA

>>65185948
I just like how they demo it like it isnt tech that was around in the fucking 1800s

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>>65185815
Hey, I've seen this thing before.

>>65189456
>Doesn't have the poop stain on the road
Are they even trying?

>>65189456
The real was a choke hazard as well

>>65185894
Overrated as fuck? Absolutely. Actually bad? Eh, it was ok

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>>65185815
I see a septic tank.

>>65185815
Why is it the worst tank ever?

>>65189684
It can't do the needful.

>>65185929
Booo get off the stage!

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>>65185889
It is real in some rail yard outside of Moscow.

>>65185815
QRD on the Arjun's flaws? It looks like a fairy typical early 80s tracked brick.

>>65185815
>the only tank with CUMBLAST
>worst
you benchod bitch bastard

>>65192953
>It looks like a fairy typical early 80s tracked brick.
saar..it entered production in 2004

>>65185815
>Pakis started rumoring bad performance assumptions abroad to sully the Arjun
>Arjun has never actually seen combat so it's not possible to know how it would perform
>Specs higher than Leopard 2 and Challenger


It might be Indian but you can't just assume it's bad based on propagandas

>>65185826
His pants are still on. This is retarded turdie b8.

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>>65193942
>>Specs higher than Leopard 2 and Challenger

>>65193975
More armour and heavier than Leopard 2. More modern tech and more new rifled 120mm gun than Challenger my English bro. It is. Just a bit slow.

>>65194215
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>SAAR IT IS HEAVIER, THE GUN IS NEWER, THAT MEANS IT IS BETTER
Worst korea, israel, even china blows this poo shit out of the water. I would buy a roach tank before a jeet one.

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>>65185815
Italian ww2 tanks were all kinda crap, but the M11/39 one takes the cake:

>Riveted armor (somewhat acceptable in 1939, but still...)
> Anemic 37mm gun
>Cannon is in the hull, but still has a machine gun only turret so it isn't even low profile
>3 man crew
>shitty engine (less hp than a current VW golf...)
>Shitty suspension
>No radio

This shit would have been acceptable in the 20, but the fact it was designed AFTER the Spanish civil war makes it unforgivable

>>65194346
It's like an even more budget M3 Lee, somehow.

>>65194315
>I would buy a roach tank
Roach tanks are just rebranded American tanks. Literally, they inherited old factory equipment from us to make them.

>>65194366
The Altay has nothing to do with American tanks. It shares parts with the K2.

>>65194315
When the Arjun premiered it did indeed have better armor than the Leopard 2A4 and better tech than the Challenger 1. But that was 36 years ago and the Leopard 2 and Challenger family have since been extensively upgraded.

Is the Arjun really worse than the Type 99 when that tank has been shown to throw road wheels when pressed to maneuver more stringently than a parade field?
Or the Ariete. whose protection suite hasn't been updated since the 21st century?

>>65189603
Throted?

>>65194441
Where are you getting 36?
>>65194465
You meant 20th Century? They approved to upgrade to C2 a couple years ago. No idea how many have yet been refitted.

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>>65194364
>>65194346
Calling this one a tank is wrong even if it was designated as such. If it was treated as a self propelled gun it would've been better off, and its mg's could also be put to good use.

It was a rushed job to field something at least of passing utility before europe kicked off again, they quickly replaced its production with the M13/40, with the same suspension and engine.

In essence, just like the M3 lee but from rock bottom (in comparison).

>>65185815
They should have just gotten licence and tinkered with the design enough that they could gain knowledge and built a better tank.


The aurjun is the perfect example of the indian mindset and society. There curroption there shameless hubris made them design a tank that took ages to just design and when it came time to produce its technology was years behind. Even there native rifle the insas is bad.

Theres a story about the indians wanting to make Aks it would be cheaper and they would get a better product from russia but they decided to get it made from some eastern European countries the specifications the indians want were so old and outdated the company didnt even make them anymore.


India is just terrible. There was some rumour that said the indian army's doesnt have that many jets and only handful can actually work cos no one does maintainence or works on them. The whole country is sick

No ones talked about the australian tank bob sample or something it was called not even emus could take that thing down

>>65193970
>human being is having a meal in the poo shrine
>"This is completely normal, bro."

>>65194465
Not sure but I reas about the aurjun years ago. Its design phase lasted for a long time decades. They also wanted a tank to operate I'm the different types of terain India has. It was suppose to operate in desert mountainous humid snow and normal mud conditions. This resulted in a nightmare. When they finally decided to make the tank the technology was decades behind. It's not bad for the first tank they made ai it's a learning curve. Am not sure how it is like now but its probably better. I am not sure if there were problems with ma ufactering and its overall performance. Also one big draw back of the aurjun is its size tanks have been trying to get smaller and lighter the aurjun does the opposite is big heave.

>>65194635
Its eugenics in action some news report was saying how skunk smell spray doesnt work on Indians.


Indians will be immune to all diseases if they keep living like that

>>65194626
Semple was a NZ tank, and though its internal layout was pretty terrible, it was at least competitive with the average Japanese tank that was likewise rated to only block rifle fire and would fill the fighting compartment with asbestos particles when spalling.

>>65194626
Australia had the Sentinel, which was a heavy, cruiser class tank with three Cadillac V8's welded together and an MG mount shaped like a penis

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>>65194346
>>65194364
>>65194584
It was meant to be used for colonial policing but a lot of design decisions makes me wonder if the Itals were boiling their pasta in LSD?

It did have a good suspension and hydraulic system, it was just that the suspension was so susceptible to damage that if you did knock out a road wheel then the whole vehicle was crippled. Plus the limited traverse of the hull gun meant that the hydraulic system while considered excellent was essentially wasted.

Interestingly the prototypes did have radios but the choice of armament was insane even for the time. Sure the 37mm was light and compact but it was one of these guns they didn't really have much production of. If they had gone with the 47/32 instead and redesigned the vehicle to accommodate it sure it would still have a lot of failings but you would have a passible SPG that could support infantry and at least deal with cruiser and light tanks up till 1942.

The engine itself was a good concept. It didn't get the desired performance but it had some pretty good features including being to start the vehicle with a cranking handle from inside which for its time was relatively unheard of.

As an anon already said if it was a 1920s tank or even early 1930s tank we would not be having this discussion flaming it but the fact they put specs out for this abomination in 1936 and it didn't really enter production till 1939 makes me wonder why they didn't just simply can it when they already knew it was comically obsolete and war was coming?

>>65194852
>why they didn't just simply can it when they already knew it was comically obsolete and war was coming?
Often the cause is bureaucracy, you got bureaucrats who stick to their contracts and don't give a shit if they stopped making sense 5 years ago, and businessmen because ultimately even in Fascist Italy there are still private companies that need to turn a profit. Even in '45 Germany there were private companies working as contractors for the government literally not caring about anything but their bottom line even though it was clear their whole state would stop existing within the next weeks.

>>65191140
>in some rail yard outside of Moscow.
why aren't they on the front line? are they afraid someone's gonna invade moscow?

>>65191140
Ukies really need to hit that, zigger seething would be legendary.

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>>65194882
oh right.... lol

>>65194465
It's kind of hard to evaluate modern tanks by protection level since we've had the "meh tanks will be killed if hit anyway" school of thought since at least the Leopard 1

>>65194907
Yeah but not a tank that can be defeated by toilet paper?

>>65194968
Anything can be defeated by a drone these days
But if the Ariete's TURMS FCS is as bad as SB Pro PE models it, it alone makes the tank instant trash

>>65193942
>Specs higher than Leopard 2 and Challenger
LMAO. It's a Leopard 2A4 you bought from Temu.

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>>65194366
>>65194437

The Altay tank and Türkiye’s tank production have no ties to the US. The tank factory in Kazan, Ankara is built entirely from scratch and it's among the largest in the world. By contrast, American tank plants today are relatively small and only marginally active.

>>65195169
>Türkiye
are people unironically using this spelling now?

>>65195172
Yeah they lost the lawsuit to the flightless birds over name copyright.

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>>65195169
>American tank plants today
>plants
>plant[s]

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>>65194869
>>65194852

Don't forget corruption. LOTS of corruption. It's not a tank, but the CR 42 is a perfect example of how things went on in Fascist Italy.

As you can see it's a biplane. It had an open cockpit, weak armament, it usually didn't have a radio and it only entered production in 1939, which meant that right from the start it had to face Hurricanes and Spitfires, who ate it for lunch.
Despite this it somehow it stayed in production until 1944. Why? Because Fiat didn't want to switch their production lines to other aircrafts. It would have been too expensive.

Now I know what you are thinking: It's an old school biplane, it looks like it's made out of wood, at least it was cheap to build right? WRONG: the plane structure was made out of chrome-molybdenum pipes with a duraluminium exterior. It was more expensive to build than a BF109, and it took a lot more time to build than one too. By the end of the war only around 1780 were made, and despite that it was still the most produced Italian plane in the war, which is interesting because it was relegated to secondary duties only as early as 1941.

The fuckers even tried to put a DB 601 engine in one to try and improve its performaces, Because Fiat was that determined not to switch its tooling to build Macchi MC202s or other more modern planes. In another country they would have been forced to quit their bullshit, but in Italy FIAT has always had absurd lobbying power, so no one complained at all.

Sorry if I got a bit ranty, this story pisses me off like you wouldn't believe...

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>>65189541
Not even overrated, just talked-about too much. (Some song on radio playlist overdone to death) Also contributing to that, lore-wise was during the post World War II years Allied veterans of Europe would generically mention in combat experience as having encountered or seen
>"a tiger tank"
when in reality they saw-fought against a Panther, or Panzer IV etc. Not a denigration of veterans, that's just the nature of wartime personal anecdotes and memory. Those war stories 'legend' of "THE TIGER!" as amorphous sasquatch contributed to it being proportionally and rhetorically overplayed in military and technological history of the war in Europe.

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>>65195466
>FIAT CR 42
Because they were desperate for fighter planes, and because the Italians were among the few countries willing to export fighter planes to a neutral party in '39-'40, the Swedes bought a few dozen of these things.
Because these planes were already obsolecent when they were brand new, the Swedes ended up stationing a lot of them way up in the far north, where they weren't expected to see combat.
Let's just say that the open cockpit design wasn't popular among the pilots, especially during the unusually cold winters of the early 40s where the temperatures in northern Sweden hit a record low of -53°C, that's raw temperature without accounting for wind conditions.

>>65194315
Credit where it's due, the Turks were able to develop an impressive arms industry in the same time it took to produce a single Arjun.

>>65195466
>WRONG: the plane structure was made out of chrome-molybdenum pipes with a duraluminium exterior.
Yes, it had a surprising amount of tech put into it, for how conceptually obsolescent it was.

>>65195466
>weak armament
For 1939? Not really

>>65185948
This could never be fielded because the boots would never stop laughing about it.

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>>65194779
We swear it's just because of the Vickers.

>>65195559
It wasn't terrible but certainly wasn't forward thinking.

>>65194626
NZ, and with what they had Bob himself put it best
>I don't see anyone else coming up with any better ideas.

>>65195172
Turks do, but no people yet

>>65185815
The M46 and M47 Pattons were both very quickly outclassed by British and Soviet designs.

>>65194885
>Their one change to prove themselves against the master of disguises
>He pussies out in the last minute
>Now they're faded to be neverware and to rot forever in a shit heap.

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>>65193942
>Arjun
>No APS
>DATRAN 1500 engine because a MTU copy was beyond them
>Can't into missiles

Imagine having access to all that western technology and still getting mogged by a nation less than 1/50th your size.

>>65185948
India also has the SUPER SUCKER CUM JETTING MACHINE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeBG6jLLhk

>>65197749
Yeah but that doesn't make them bad? They could still put up a fight against older tanks notably the T-54.

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>>65189684
>made in 2004
>rifled 120mm gun
>First gen APFSDS has worse penetration vs first gen 105mm apfsds
>Second gen APFSDS has penetration on part with 90s 105mm apdsds
>Tank optic is a massive weakpoint as unlike the Germans the Indian didn't put the same amount of armor behind the Optic. see pic
>Indian

>>65197894
This is as bad as the Arjun. Likely worse because they're probably not even real. Choke on piss

>>65198520
Eat a dick. We've seen them rolling, firing on the move, testing the APS and we know the missiles work better than expected. Besides, it could be a clapped out T-55 and it still wouldn't be crewed by Indians.

>>65198558
Fuck off you mentally ill piss drinking propaganda shill


https://youtu.be/-48KY4pFxGs

>>65198558
>Eat a dick

Projecting your fantasies again? Not everyone likes sucking on piss dispenser

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>>65193942
Something tells me this poster might be indian, hmmmmmm

>>65195459
I know the US stopped making new Abrams a while ago but what about Bradleys? Strikers? those new M10's?(Yeah i know they got cancelled but they build some amount)

>>65192953
Look for Red Effect's video on the Arjun.

>>65193942
>It might be Indian but you can't just assume it's bad based on propagandas
It's bad because the Indian army prefers to build more T-90 tanks than building Arjuns.

>>65197894
North Korean tanks carry missiles because their FCS is dog shit and their tanks can't hit a damn thing over 2 miles.

>>65198379
I've just noticed that the hatches look like toilet lids? Was this intentional?

>>65199312
It's for the designated shooting jeet

>>65185929
oh brother
this guy sticks

>>65197894
MTU Engine was outdated pos. And Arjun would unironically rape the leo-2a4 and challenger with it's penetration cum blast warhead.
>No Aps
It has Laser Warning receiver and soft kill capabilities something most Leo and Challenger variants don't have.

>>65195441
>Flightless
>Im-fucking-plying

You ever have a 25 pound 'flightless' bird fly just over your truck while you're doing 55mph down a windy back country road, son? Shit wakes you up.

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>>65198379
Forgot no isolated ammo stowage in the turret

>>65198340
Anon, Shermans and Panzer IVs could take on T-54s. The biggest upgrade between them and the T-34 was the fact they were mechanically reliable almost to a fault, but they pay for the big gun in the form of having sup-par firing rate, target acquisition, and accuracy, while suffering from all-or-nothing syndrome to keep a thick glacis plate for a 36 ton tank.

>>65201396
>Shermans and Panzer IVs could take on T-54s
That's completely insane, the fielding of the T-54/55 is what resulted in the Brits to make the renowned L7 gun and us to make the M60

>>65199677
how do you say implessive in hindi?

>>65201396
The T-54 has more armor than an IS-2

>>65201396
I'd like to refer to anons pic here >>65193975

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>>65201396
>Anon, Shermans and Panzer IVs could take on T-54s
What kind of sherman and panzer 4? The Jews decided to upgrade all their shermans with a french long 75mm that has the same performance as the panthers 75mm gun and then later supplement the sherman fleet with french medium velocity 105mm gun firing HEAT rounds that can penetrate up to 400mm of armor, twice then the T-54 hull armor line of sight thickness. They clearly did not have the confidence in keeping the original 75 or 76mm guns in their sherman fleet in the 1950's and beyond.

I dunno how you delusional you have to be in thinking the panzer 4 can take on a T-54. The fucking germans did not think it could take on the T-34 and KV-1 forever, it is the whole reason why they made the panther. To replace the panzer 4 and 3 as the main medium tank for the german army and to fight the current T-34 and KV-1 and any future russian tank at ranges further then what the panzer 4 can do and the T-54 is a way harder target to defeat then a T-34, the T-54 has more armor then the IS-2.

> but they pay for the big gun in the form of having sup-par firing rate, target acquisition, and accuracy
The T-54 is objectively the better tank then the T-34 which is also suffering from all these problems that you mention during world war 2. German tankers remarked in interviews and memoirs that russian tanks are slow at targeting, firing and struggles to hit shit at long range so I fail to see how this a special T-54 problem and not just classic russian tanker experience.
>suffering from all-or-nothing syndrome to keep a thick glacis plate for a 36 ton tank.
What does this even mean in the context of tanks, why are you using a naval term for ground vehicles?

>>65197749
Thai M48s recently destroyed Cambodian T-55s and the M47 was always meant to be a stopgap. It's like asking why the T-44 isn't successful.

>>65201245
Also forgot to mention that the engine is underpowered and unreliable, and that drivetrain is fragile and prone to breakage.
Literally Ferdinand-tier mechanical issues, with the tanks being unable to make it up moderately sloped hills, and overheating constantly in hot weather.
So the Indians made a tank that can't operate in the Afghan-like climate of northern India because the hills are too steep, and can't operate anywhere else in India because it's too hot and tropical.

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>>65185894
>>65189541
>>65195484
it's not overrated, it was a great tank, just not built in large enough numbers.

>>65198379
Why not place the optics on top of turret like the abrams? Eliminated the need to cut away at the armour and pushing it into the crew compartment.

>>65201542
How do you call a fat retard who doesn't know what he's talking about?

>>65201926
i thought T-44 onwards had better armor placement, not more armor. ie. t-54 has less steel armor per m2

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>>65195466
The design would have been *okay* as a light attacker. But given the costs you brought up? nah. Italy is very assbackwards still to this day. I should know because I was working on my Shitalian citizenship until the Tajani decree went into place last year.

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>>65209463
>i thought T-44 onwards had better armor placement, not more armor. ie. t-54 has less steel armor per m2

T-44 has better armor placement but not thicker armor (90mm hull front, 75mm side and a T-34/85 turret)

The T-54 has better armor placement and more armor thickness depending on what section you are looking at. The 1951 version which has the final turret shape has a much better shaped turret and is thicker except on the rear side.

Some tank autist in poland went up and physically measured the armor on various ww2 era IS-2 tanks on monuments etc with ultrasonic thickness gauge. There are actually 4 different IS-2M 1944 upper hulls. 2 uncommon early prototype versions (120mm cast armor or 100mm RHA) and 2 common production versions (100mm cast armor or 90mm RHA). The IS-2M does have slightly better side hull armor thickness (80mm RHA on the T-54 vs 90mm RHA, 100 ~ 130 cast for the IS-2M) then the T-54 but the frontal hull + turret front and turret side armor is worse to the point that the medium tank T-54 is significantly better protected then the heavy tank IS-2M against frontal attacks (180~200mm+ frontal protection for the T-54 vs only 90~180 on the IS-2M).

The T-54 1949 version had a turret front that while was 200mm thick, the overall turret shape had sections that would act as shot traps, deflecting projectiles into the weak hull roof. The T-54 1949 hull armor is however better but heavier (120mm hull front and 90mm side hull armor) then the latter T-54 version.

https://community.battlefront.com/topic/121576-is-2-thickness-of-gun-mantlet-armor-measured/

>>65185826
Genuinely got nauseous at the concept.

>>65209492
>Italy is very assbackwards still to this day
>I should know because I was working on my Shitalian citizenship until the Tajani decree went into place last year.

Good. If anything the assbackwards thing here was continuing to gift citizenships to random Americans with no connection to the Country and no intention to come live there. Should have been done ages ago.

>>65199312
So to prevent the crew to shit in it.

>>65185815
I like how cleanly they smeared the poo on it.

>>65194907
The tank, yes. Western armies typically put crew survival above all else. That extends to offense even.

>>65195169
Imagine the erection of a WSO seeing that line up in their sights.

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>>65198379
Holy shit.

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>>65215154
And looking back to OP's pic;
As long as your windage is good a shot here is going to probably do serious damage even if your elevation is off.

>>65204811
Main issue was that resupply at that point was more hit or miss. Your spares and fuel had a good chance of being blown up in transit, if the factory itself didn't. It was a questionable allocation of resources.

>>65198379
There's also near the ready storage which is protected by happy thoughts
Shit it might be thin enough there to slip a decent sized autocannon shell through the smoke launchers and its fireworks time in the turret

>>65193970
Yeah, that makes it fine to eat off the fucking toilet floor.

>>65195169
How sick would that be to visit!

>>65191140
why don't they use them?

>>65185826
Import one of those to the US and watch Congress make ownership of septic tanks illegal.

>>65218506
Because they don't work?

>>65194884
Could be fun times.
>>65218506
Ran out of smelkalka, but given that they are planning to import 800k jeets, they might have enough jugaad to make 'em run again soon.