>>65190492
Yeah

>>65190492
not really. they stalk their prey, require lots of food and pets, and while being massive wouldn't be very good at the one thing you'd probably use them for which would be stealthy assassinations in jungle ops.

>>65190492
Short answer, no. Unlike horses, tigers eat meat. Much more expensive to procure and transport than hay and if you can provide that much meat you might as well use it to field more infantry.

Also, Tigers tend not to get along in large groups. If you try to field a unit of tigers there's a good chance they'll kill each other before the enemy.

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>>65190492
Yes

>>65190492
A gentle reminder that seating multiple people on an elephant fucks up its spine, and using them as draught animals is the most severe form of animal abuse

Also based tigri fucking up his oldest enemy

I could see using one to go behind enemy lines to kill people and fuck up logistics, but a dude on a horse would do a better job.
On the field, probably not.

>>65190492
Nah, they aren't the kind to charge in when outnumbered and they will abandonee a hunt if they think it's too risky.
Rinos & Hipos are the true GOAT of attack animals because they will pick fights they will lose and rarely back down.

>>65190579
what about lions? They're social.

>>65191349
Arguably a better choice but you still run into the meat issue. Unrelated males also tend to fight for territory.

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>>65190499
fpbp, chkd

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>>65192996
You just know...

>>65193008
imagine the belly rubs
imagine it grabbing on and biting down on your arm as it starts kicking like a cat does

>>65193008
>>65192996
God's perfect murder machines.

>>65193036
Disclaimer:boomerposting
Back in the day when I was young and in shape, I got to handle a pair of tiger cubs for a modeling shoot.
I expected them to feel like chunky house cats, but boy was I wrong.
Underneath all that loose floppy puppy-skin they're absolutely rock solid, nowhere near the semi-liquid texture of domestic house cats.
Big cats are nothing but muscle, bone, teeth, and claws.
Even as babies they're true apex predators. Murder machines to the core.

>>65190492
>Lion sees dude on elephant
Woah that's a really big elephant
>Tiger sees dude on elephant
LMAO imma get that little dude with his lil whip.

Why are lions considered king of the jungle if they've got room temp iq?

>>65193091
Lions are pack animals and the females do the hunting. Women can't do anything right. On the other hand... wolves. Those are some smart motherfuckers that will take down a fucking moose.
Solitary big cats are clever. I got stalked by a fucking mountain lion one night when I lived in the pnw. Wasnt armed (of course that was the night) and walked backwards the last quarter mile home.

>>65193060
photographer?

Lions and Tigers jobbed hard to guys with spears in arenas, the problem with them is that they lack the retarded courage a dog may have because they're too smart to charge humans with pointy sticks working together. They're opportunistic killers who are only really maneaters because they take advantage of malnourished 4 foot 6 tall Indians.

>>65193116
>Lions are pack animals and the females do the hunting.
The females do most of the hunting, but not all of it.
Males step in sometimes too, but their job is mostly to fight of rival males and to produce more lion cubs.
But yeah, as far as pack hunter go, lions are pretty shit.
They regularly get mogged by hyenas, sometimes by packs of painted dogs, or even singular honey badgers rushing in to steal fresh kills with nothing but psychotic aggression, a complete lack of self-preservation instincts, and zero hesitation against multiple apex predators 20 times their size.

As far as pack hunters go, wolves are absolutely SSS-tier, mostly because of intelligence, communication, and actual teamwork.
In that regard they're leagues above any cats. Wolves need to be smart, because they need to plan and communicate to hunt effectively.

Solitary predators don't need to be smart.
They can get away with dumping all of their stat points into stealth (like crocodilians), or shear brute force like, polar bears.
Solitary big cats belong firmly in this category. They just split their stat points evenly. They're stealthy and they're physically powerful, but they're not very smart.

>>65193091
We'll look at top boxers and MMA fighters. It doesn't take IQ to fight

>>65193141
You'd never believe it if you saw me now, but I was a professional hunk model in my youth.
The tiger cub photo shoot was part of a scantily clad advertisement for particularly tasteless faux-silk bedsheets.

>>65193150
>but they're not very smart.
were going to have to agree to disagree on this point.
>>65193168
i dont like where this is going

>>65193150
>Solitary predators don't need to be smart.
Portia would like to have a word.

>>65193150
>polar bears
Now these guys would actually be good war animals if they could be trained.

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>>65193333
if you're talking about jumping spiders, absolutely fucking based. had one as a pet. those little fuckers are so awesome! ill see if I can find a pic of maleficent.

>>65193339
im envisioning a battle of hoth with polar bear riding rebel warriors

>>65193308
speak for yourself.

>>65190492
Domesticated and trainable for mass combat are actually two separate things, cows are domesticated but difficult to train for war. Across hundreds of generations obviously you can breed almost anything for anything, so I understand what you probably meant.
Tigers bred for war for hundreds of years would probably be better for scouting (like helping a scout not reporting back themselves obviously) and skirmishing action than for mass combat. In a large group of men you'd probably use them mixed in with men in a staggered formation, grabbing enemies and dragging them out of formation while they were engaged with your own men. Dogs were used in some places like this, I believe.

I have no idea how much Tigers eat, or if the logistics of keeping them alive would make Dogs more reasonable, but if you had war-tigers on hand that's probably how you'd use them.

>>65193441
>Across hundreds of generations obviously you can breed almost anything for anything,
Nope. Horses, dogs etc. are by evolutionary accident genetically easy to domesticate and breed variants. Their genes are "plastic" in the sense that small changes create huge phenotypic differences. That's why we have lots of horse and dog breeds that look so different from each other despite being the same species. No such plastic genes in big cats have ever been found and they can"t be domesticated unless you start doing genetic engineering.
>bbbbut but housecats
Housecats self half-domesticated themselves and essentially parasitize humans.

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>>65193528
>Housecats self half-domesticated themselves and essentially parasitize humans.


Fair trade though

>>65193528
has anyone ever not sounded like a big faggot saying the word "Nope"? Is it even possible?

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>>65193539
>not having a rabies resistant army of ponsums
ngmi

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>>65193539

>>65191346
hippos don't lose fights.

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>>65191376
The neat thing about people is they're made of meat.

>>65193091
>Tiger
Hunts his own food, like a peasant.
>Lion
"Lioness, bring me food. I am going to stay here, relaxing in the sun, and talking with my bros. Oh, and don't take too long, your king is hungry".

Which of those sounds more 'king like' to you Anon?

>>65190492
>good war animals
In what way? A tiger eats a lot of meat and loses a fight against one twink with a shortsword. A 600lb tiger losing to a 100lb peasant with a 18in knife is not winning you wars.

>>65195464
>Tiger loses to 100 pound faggot
People thought Dogs were useful in war.

>>65194905
The bad thing about war is that is mostly just marching around.

>>65193060
And then they get Sneaky. Seriously, how does a 300 pound animal get away with being an Ambush Predator?

>>65196805
Their role is usually not direct combat.

>>65195451
I'd prefer to be the unmatched badass hunter tbqhwy. Tigers are really unmatched in the animal kingdom sans something like a polar bear. I wouldn't call what polar bears do "hunting" in the sense tigers do it either.

Always liked leopards over lions for that reason as well. Lions are sort of mid being both an 800lb cat AND needing to hunt in a big ass group? Retarded imo.

>>65190579
>Tigers tend not to get along in large groups. If you try to field a unit of tigers there's a good chance they'll kill each other before the enemy
What if you trained them as snipers and sent them off on their own or in mated pairs?

>>65197578
You run into IFF issues where Tigers neither know nor care about which side is which. They'll just pick off any human they catch lacking, rack up an AMAZING kill count, and do as much damage to your side as your enemy.

I mean, I suppose there's a use case but onlu if you don't mind getting eaten by tigers.

>>65197369
Where in the OP did it say they needed to be in some kind of Homogeneous cavalry charge against prepared infantry?

War is lots of things, retard.

>>65197725
So airdrop starved tigers in the enemy's rear.

Maybe you could even drone drop them

I'm no big-game safari guide, but wouldn't you want a poking stick and not a bonking stick?

>>65197725
>IFF issues
What if you sprayed the humans with the urine of the tigers who were operating in that area? The tigers would be able to smell who was friendly and it would be very cute and morale boosting for the soldiers who get face rubs instead of throat bites after being pounced on.

The issue with big cats is that they're primarily ambush predators. Seriously, if you handle them you can never turn your back on them, otherwise you're getting mauled, even if you have good rapport with them.

Now wolves, and canines in general, have a history of hunting and warfare with humans. I've read some speculation that our ancestors taking the first steps domesticating wolves was a big defining part of neanderthals going extinct.

>t. Exotic animal handler.

>>65190492
Everything you're thinking would have made them a battlefield asset is exactly what made them impossible to domesticate. To make them domesticable, you have to take away everything that makes them tigers.

>>65197365
I read somewhere that, because they have so much muscle instead of fat, they get great control and can step really quietly. Compared to fat ass herbivores

>>65190492
Almost all animals are bad at war. You can domesticate a tiger for the most part. The ones that eat their trainers are a small percentage and your house cat is more likely to attack you.
But give up on the idea of animals in war.

No cats spend most hours sleeping or resting, eat all expensive meat, and are almost as vulnerable to gunfire as a human.
Even dogs are adapted to digesting some grains and can metabolize them, cats need all meat.

You cannot fix it either. Part of what makes them such great predators is saving up all those neurochemicals sleeping and resting to concentrate their use in the few hours they are active to be the ultimate alert graceful stealthy killer.
What makes them vulnerable to gunfire is they are entirely offense oriented extreme killers but have zero armor or bulk.
Their muscles all for agility and offense, not carrying anything even body armor which would damage their frame and throw off their balance. Minmaxed to be what they are.

War by contrast is 95% tedious slow work driving, hiking, building defenses, carrying heavy things, digging defenses, filling sand bags.
Being mediocre for long hours, not being supreme for 3.

>>65198642
Definitely a war crime, also not very effective. The tigers will end up chomping down on civilians entirely unrelated to the war effort simply because they're easier targets.
>>65199255
Hard to say. Tigers use urine to mark territory, not friends. Having multiple scents on a person might just muddle the scents in general or possibly piss the tiger off.

Depending on how good you could train it they are obv not a good war machine but to have one in a spec ops team that might be a nice fit. Sneaky sneaky cat at night I can see that work.

>>65193091
Its more that
>Tiger sees Indians abusing elephant
>Decides needs to do something about it
Tiger is the hero of this story.
>>65193168
Well we're down the rabbit hole already. I am going to regret this but pics?

>>65190492
They were pretty good in Narnia

>>65199457
>pics?
I don't have them. It was just a quick one-day job 40 years ago, I don't remember all the details and I may be getting some stuff wrong.

Just imagine a sleazy mid-80s ad featuring a guy who looks like knock-off Fabio, and a girl who looks like knock-off Grace Jones, laying on top of a bed wearing little more than "Conan the Barbarian"-style loincloths and playing with tiger cubs.
The text trying to convince the customers to buy this crap said something about the shitty animal-print bedsheets "unleashing the wild and primal/animalistic within", clearly trying to sell these crappy sheets as having aphrodisiac-like properties.
I think these ads were mostly printed in German and Dutch mail-order catalogs but I don't know much more than that.

>>65199450
>I_require_head_pats_and_belly_rubs.webm

>>65194740
An ancient post

>>65190492
>If tiger could be domesticated
Every animal can be domesticated if you try hard enough.

>would they have been good war animals?

If you trained them well enough, absolutely.

But it didn't happen because it's hard. And people with a sharp stick are more cost effective.

No.

For war you want animals that work well in groups and ideally have natural social structures of hierarchy that can be used by humans to accept humans as pack leader.
Tigers are solitary animals who don't work in groups and don't accept humans as pack leader. Thus they can't be used in any organized way which makes them borderline useless for almost every kind of fighting force. In fact they would largely just be a very expensive hinderance in almost every possible situation.

The only reason it works in fantasy is because of shit like mind bonds or magic mind control to more or less make the tiger do what you want and ignore all of it's natural inclinations towards being actively anti-social in every sense of the word.

You are better off with war dogs, or if you are going fantasy, war wolves.

>>65201397
>No.
I disagree, it is possible but difficult and unrewarding.

>>65190492
Fuck that, which larger animal would be the best pet if they could have been domesticated?

>>65201410
Rhino

Apparently they're very nice when bred in captivity and not horny,

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>>65201418
Huh, neat. Side note, I've seen hippos and in captivity online and plenty are surprisingly docile and even doglike. Side-side note: is that a Casio?

>>65201293
And everything can be a dildo. Doesn't mean you should though.

>>65201670
>hurr look at me being smart

Read the last sentence there you namefag colossal goddamn hateable pos fuckbag.

>It's hard, there are more cost effective solutions.

>you can
>but you can also do X much easier
>ergo, just because you can doesn't mean you should or would

Fucking broke it up so your "i'm going to go to an anonymous imageboard and HAVE A NAME" assing ass could get that you just said what I said in the most basic bitch way possible because you are such a fucking basic bitch.

>>65190492
The closest we got was cheetahs

>>65201743
viable choice.
we need to finish training the dolphins, crabs, and emus.

>>65190492
Tigers are cats and cats will never do what you tell them to.

>>65201804
true but cats can also be as loyal as a k9

I just wanna hug one ;-;

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>>65193147
That's how pretty much all of predators work, the brain comes to a standstill when they encounter a prey that behaves nothing like a prey should

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>>65201986
かわいい!

>>65190492
No

>be deployed next to the tiger squad
>daily tiger piss bath
>have to feed those big fuckers somehow, otherwise they start eating your own guys
>after 2 months of utter misery (neat pics tho) you finally meet the enemy
>your cool-ass shock troops get killed, having accomplished practically nothing of value
You’d do much better off worh a single tiger as a morale booster, and a cool way to interrogate prisoners. They’re shit tier for combat and abysmal for logistics

>>65203018
>They’re shit tier for combat and abysmal for logistics
and we are supposed to believe your bullshit because?

>>65203018
>They’re shit tier for combat and abysmal for logistics
sounds more like women tbf

>>65193150
>painted dogs
Painted dogs have the highest percentage of successful hunts out of total hunts in the animal kingdom.

>Solitary predators don't need to be smart.
>dumping all of their stat points into stealth
Big cats are very intelligent, probably more so than canids. Stop thinking in memes.

>shear brute force like, polar bears
Polar bears are also very intelligent.

>>65201957
Same bro.

>if not fren, why fren shaped?

>>65203432
>Polar bears are also very intelligent.
Well they have been taking over old weather stations.

>>65203018
>shock troops
Why is it that video game brained retards can't imagine using anything outside of a monolithic homogenous blob of that one unit type?

100 Spartans vs 1000 tigers.

Who wins?

>>65203432
Incorrect, dragonflies mog painted dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_success#Kill_rates

>>65193150
Also incorrect. Saltwater crocodiles that were relocated have traveled thousands of miles to return to their original ranges.They also have socialization, they can communicate using infrasound over miles (initial findings have been made with salties but this is well documented in American Alligators) to find mates and avoid costly conflict with other adults. Also, they care for their young (who have vocalizations that change depending on threat type). Not the brightest in the animal kingdom but plenty smart. Aussies know to change their camping spots every few days because if you have a consistent pattern of going to the water's edge they'll notice and move into a good ambush position.
Also as mentioned by others in this thread, the Portia jumping spider is a solitary hunter of other spiders. That one is insane, they'll strum different rhythms on a spiders web depending on what it preys on. Also they'll take approaches that break visual contact to abseil down, pounce from behind, or otherwise ambush spiders multiple times their size.
Solitary hunters can be very intelligent because they have to make it on their own, they don't have others to compensate for their mistakes or do the tactical maneuvers that canines do.

>>65209524
>dragonflies
based. you ever see how they mate? iirc, the male chomps into the females skull, in flight, so she cant get away.

>>65199302
You can turn your back on them all day long without any issue. Maybe not leopards or jaguars though.

Tiger cannot be domesticated. Tiger too big. Tiger too strong willed. Tiger too strong.

>>65206493
Because those men didn't have fathers that took them fishing ect

>>65203444
>>if not fren, why fren shaped?
It is time you return, my "fren." You know where I'm referring to

Dogs are as good as it gets.

I fucking hate dogs. They're only good for being sold to chinese restaurants as food.

>>65190492
This makes me wonder why people haven't bred tiger sized domestic cats yet. Domestic dogs come in all shapes and sizes, but domestic cats are mostly the same size

>>65212280
Same people keep larger breeds as pets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8U8TyQoXQw

>>65211977
big furry paws with retractable claws typed this post, chld

>>65212280
Man even domestic cats have only received like 1/100th the selection pressure for alteration of temperament that dogs have. It goes Dogs, a distant second at Horses, then everything else a million years behind.

>>65190492
No. At the end of the day they're just big cats, they're not just dogs you can sic on another human even at cost to itself

>>65218334
If I recall correctly, there's also something fucky with feline genetics that makes them less prone to the diverse phenotypes seen in other domesticated animals.
That makes them ill-suited to selective breeding and means that drastic physiological changes would take exponentially more generations to force through conventional selective breeding.
This may change in the future if genetic engineering technology and understanding of the feline genome trickles down so far that hobbyists can start genetically engineering designer cats in their garages, but I suspect access to such technology will be heavily restricted before it ever gets to that point.