>>65196057
The french had pantry-stable dehydrated wine called vinogel in the Indochina War. Nicknamed it tiger blood when drank straight.
If only we had a decent beer in the ration pack.

>>65196057
Slim-Jims, twinkies, pop-tarts, and meth.

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freeze dried milk, payday candy bars, pepperoni slices, 100% medium roast arabica coffee, big league chew

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>>65196106
That's not bad

>>65196057
A main protein in sauce soup, but optionally cookable pan fried. Then a soldier could "bbq" kinda if things weren't that hot.
Side is a veggie and starch paste in either "fries" or "mash" but that gravy component is going to work for both.
MRE bread is the bomb but an unflavored sponge cake corn bread is a thought. Secondary crackers.
Fruit paste.
Nut paste.
choccy bar
coffee
water purifying tabs
gum
sewing kit

>>65196057
One thing I've noticed is that a single high quality element tends to leave people with an overall positive impression. So Id put the absolute worst slop dogshit, like a can of minced chickens feet and a plank of hard tack; but also include a bar of folded-1000-times grass-fed milk chocolate; people would love it.

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... and half a freeze dried ham and cheese sandwich.

>>65196057
could i..have that chestefield now?

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>>65196120

5 gum

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>>65196057
Can't fix perfection.

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>>65196166
my mouthing is watering thinking about that

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>>65196057

>>65196106
The Bills Brew dehydrated coffee is actually quite decent for being freeze dried coffee.

>>65196166
Mid tier at best. But does come with the chocolate energy rice crispy bar

>>65196193
finally, a ration for dolphins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxDk1OcdrM
MREs are infinitely better than /k/-rations. setting aside the fact that this is an e-celeb reviewing a reproduction of the k-ration (though AFAIK the reproduction is *fairly* faithful to the original), I cannot imagine eating this thing for a lengthy period of time, and even this larper basically wanted to an hero after 3 days eating this shit

>>65196057
There's no real need for them anymore since everyone is airborne and mobile.

Rations like that are for troops out on tour for months at a time away from base/supply, etc.

It's just another example of how all military is always behind the times.

>>65196166
Unless they vastly improved it in a later version, that's probably the worst non-vegetarian MRE for me.

Besides, I thought it was universally acknowledged that Chili and Macaroni is the King of MREs.

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>>65196057
Pizza but in a can

Coffee black with hardtack.

>>65196057
Ham and meth in a can

>>65196303
Chili mac fags get the rope.

>>65196267
In ukraine some soldiers stay in bunkers for a long time, so they do need them..

>>65196267
Months? MREs are just shelf-stable meals, you use them any time you're going to be away from a kitchen and not in a position to use your own cooking gear. A particularly long drive would qualify.

>>65196057
Very few people like smoking these days. The the cigs are not even useful for bartering with civilians.

>>65196267
>candy bars and crackers are obsolete because helicopters exist
goddamn the absolute horse shit you hear on this board is fucking unreal

I have no major changes to make, just minor gripes and complaints
>every main meal has a weird vaguely plastic aftertaste, maybe try to find a new preservative that gets rid oft that
>drop the dogshit protein powder that comes in some of them and just put in some commercial shit like Gold Standard or whatever, the macros on the current stuff are horrible
>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of water in more meals, like the Zapple sauce, good for rehydrating/recarbing on the move but unfortunately uncommon in all MRE menus
>caffeine pills in each meal, nothing crazy but like 50-100mg
>a cheap dental pick/floss combo in each meal, along with the wipes and salt packet and other shit
>make the spoon a bit shorter so that the whole MRE, when eaten, can be crushed down and rolled up with the spoon sitting horizontally in the bag, saving space when packing trash into a ruck
>delete the taco filling menu, its literal diarrhea

>>65196609
>>every main meal has a weird vaguely plastic aftertaste, maybe try to find a new preservative that gets rid oft that
They spend an absolutely bonkers amount of money on MRE development actually, taking years and years to make them maximally resistant to both time and environment. Taste is something they've only gotten around to in recent years, cut em some slack https://www.war.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/4366460/its-all-in-the-packaging-the-engineering-behind-mre-freshness/

Agree about the zapple sauce though, that shit needs to be in every fuckin MRE

>>65196202
Bills Brew is the fucking goat on its own, but I like to experiment.
I get three or four together, dump them into the chocolate protein powder, add one whole packet of dried hot pepper flakes.
Been trying to think up a name for it.
It's a spicy meat-a-ball, let me tell you what. Really gets the blood pumping.

>>65196205
>>65196166
I don't even think mid tier, that one is third from the bottom for me.
Only two below it are plain pizza slice and the goulash meal (something about the way it smells and tastes turns my stomach).

>>65196303
My personal favorite as a whole meal is the maple sausage patty and hash browns one.
Chili mac ain't bad by any means but I'd rather have 4 or 5 other menus over that one.

>>65196609
>caffeine pills in each meal, nothing crazy but like 50-100mg
a good idea in theory but far too easy for people to overdose on. coffee at least stops retards from downing heart-stopping amounts of caffeine by requiring you to drink a fuckton of it. the average dumbfuck might just stash away enough of them to unintentionally overdose, or at very least get jumpy enough to the point they're useless in combat.

>>65196723
how about this: each MRE comes with a caffeinated energy bar, but it tastes like sawdust and is really dense so that you feel like total shit if you try to eat more than like 2 in a short time period

>>65196057
Pork loaf?

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I ordered two K-rations and a C-ration reproduction while I was deployed and had it shipped to my parents house and they FUCKING LOST IT! THEY LOST MY SHIT! MY FUCKING SHIT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

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>>65196609
How dare you Taco filling is my favorite.

>>65196057
ultra condensed nutrition bars design to be as flavorless as possible
flavored paste tube to make it palatable
electrolyte mix
coffee
caffiene gum

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>>65196065
>lmao powdered b-
>it's real
Fuck me. And of course it's from fucking germany, invented apparently in a fucking monestary of all places.
https://shop.klosterbrauerei.com/Bierpulver?srsltid=AfmBOortoE2z3-bnUr5QkiaeEsOpV7Iqs3C0w9vXb_vplIt7kNjev3vA

Alright, the technology exsits, are we putting it in?

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>>65196057
gonna repost my idea again: I'd design an assault ration meal that delivers 1200 calories split 50% carbs, 25% protein and 25% fat, as follows:
>two 60-gram meat bars (600cal)
>one 120-gram vegetable granola bar (300cal)
>one 60-gram chocolate bar (300cal)
The meat bars should be made a little more tender and moist compared to jerky due to higher fat content. The granola and chocolate would also have some fats, but their main purpose is to provide fibre, carbs, and a sugar boost.

Each 24-hour special assault ration would have two such meal sets; and one more normal MRE meal made up of eat from the bag whole food, a jerky snack bar and a pressed fruit snack bar, totalling maybe 3500 calories.

This kind of ration would be perfect for the crucial first few days of an offensive when troops might not actually have time to eat or would often be manning their weapons and vehicles. We've all heard stories of soldiers surviving off snack packs and candy bars, or eating cold MREs because nobody has even to wait for the ration heater to warm up the MRE; under such circumstances, this would be a more nutritionally complete option.

An approximation of this ration would be:
>Assault ration x2
Meat bars: 10x Slim Jims
Granola bar: 1x Whole Earth & Sea Vegan Green bar
Chocolate bar: 1x Snickers / Mars / Milkyway
>Normal MRE meal x1
Chili Mac MRE
3x Slim Jims
3x That's It fruit bars

the purpose of this meal is simply to provide something that can be eaten on the go with absolutely zero prep time.
alternatively, the Assault ration can replace half the Slim Jims with an FSR Sandwich (300 cal).

Remove MRE heaters and only issue them for cold environment MREs. They're pointless and the meal tastes fine cold.

>>65196609
>>65196693
Maybe add another internal layer made out of something like a corn husk or seaweed wrap. It can soak up the plastic taste

>>65196609
Just cut the spoon in half with your multi tool or c wire cutters
>>65196784
This is enemy subversion

>>65196106
>payday
I prefer Mars / Milkyway
>pepperoni slices
they won't keep

>>65196120
>sewing kit
why do you need one of those in every meal?

>>65196267
>Rations like that are for troops out on tour for months at a time
wrong, even in WW2 rations were only to be eaten for less than a week straight
troops only ended up eating them for "months at a time" because of supply fuckups

>>65196404
they should be given proper field kitchen supplies then

>>65196609
>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of water
agreed

>>65196057
>sweet potato 'fries'/biscuit OR corn bread
>pemmican (target 40g or more protein muscle maintenance) with a large amount of blue/black berries and a selection of herbs designed for full spectrum trace mineral coverage & immune support OR canned fish
>low glycemic citric electrolyte drink mix, with stevia + enough xylitol to facilitate shitting (and boost good oral bacteria) + the major B vitamins for energy (methylated)
>instant black coffee which needs the 'creme brulee' to turn milky
>mystery desert rotation ('creme brulee', lemon bar, cinnamon apple pie)
>2mg nicotine gum
>generous antiseptic wet-naps

Variety is overrated. Give them nutrition, enough calories AND protein not to lose muscle mass in a form factor that makes skipping meals less harsh, and a system that encourages trading.

>>65196136
Governments need to stop being pussies and bring this back.

>>65196586
>bartering with civilians
Use your gun for that

>>65196814
>+ enough xylitol to facilitate shitting
This is a really good idea. Put xylitol beverages and sweets in the ration, to prevent the notorious constipation issues.

We need preserved foods that can satisfy our craving for fresh vegetables and fruits.

>>65196776
Just add vodka?

>>65197117
Are you Russian?

>>65196057
Replace all items with canned cheeseburgers.

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>>65196609
>>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of water in more meals, like the Zapple sauce, good for rehydrating/recarbing on the move but unfortunately uncommon in all MRE menus

These aren't bad.

>>65197282
>need water
>here have electrolytes
anon...

>>65197288
Just include some dehydrated water.

>>65197288
Its what those in the field crave

>>65197288
Worked for me. Yeah, still need water but it's got what plants crave.

>>65197159
>prevent the notorious constipation issues.
The notorious constipation issues are caused by dehydration.
If you're drinking enough water, it's not a problem at all, I've burned through three complete A+B sets the past 6 months and didn't have constipation once.
The trick is to drink a gallon of water a day, which you should really already be doing as it is.
If you actually put laxatives in the meals now, all it would do is induce unreliably periodic bouts of gruesome bowel movements, and realistically FURTHER dehydrate people when they need it most.

I still have two full A+B sets left that I'll get to at some point, but the incredible salt content pushed my blood pressure up high enough that it's a little concerning, so I'm taking a break. :/

>>65196774
Taco filling (basically beanless chili) is one of the best mains IF you can get it really hot (i.e. you have the time and means to boil it instead of using the FRH). Of all the good mains it probably suffers the most from being served lukewarn.

>>65196696
>maple sausage patty
I'm a big fan of that one too because--like chili mac--it's one of the few "every component is tasty" MREs. Of course, that can be difficult to judge since the same MRE's sides can vary greatly from year to year or even day to day depending on what the factory happens to be short on (I've mentioned before a cursed crate I got where all the cheese spreads were replaced with peanut butter).

>>65196057
>1g loose marijuana flower
>1g loose tobacco
>5 mini rolling papers and a single cone
>50 mL vial of everclear with 10 mL markings
>hard tack
>beef jerky
>dehydrated lemon
Wham bam shit in a can

>>65197254
Rational

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>>65197576
>a cursed crate I got where all the cheese spreads were replaced with peanut butter
Good fucking God that's just about the most terrible MRE crime I've ever heard perpetrated.
I'm going over the meals that I know have cheese in them and imagining getting it replaced with PB, it makes me angry just thinking about it.

>>65196404
>In ukraine

anon do you know how poor ukraine is?

>>65196267
>we don't need shelf stable food, because everthing can be delivered just in time
That's not even true for the civilian economy you absolute retard.

you want to have a mix that covers nutrition, snacking, morale
>electrolyte drink oowder
>caffeine pills 2x100mg
>nicotine gum
>protein drink
>instant coffee with sugar and creamer
>crackers with PB or cheese spread
>skittles or m&m’s
>dehydrated main dish that doesn’t rely on an FRH - it could be rehydrated via cold soak or rehydrated quickly with boiling water. Tho would allow the user to dial in the right texture and not just have a pile of slop in a bag.

>>65196696
It's weird to me that the chili mac is so highly praised. It's not bad, but the maple patty does blow it out of the water. I'd like to see more of the hot sauce powder all around, it makes the bland items more palatable. .

>>65196057
>The original was canned meat, biscuits, coffee, chocolate and cigarettes for about 1000 kcal.
Swap the canned meat out for smoked sausage, the coffee out for some kinda fruity drink mix, and the smokes for some multivitamins and you might have something.

>>65198005
They should honestly just put a pack of the hot sauce powder in every meal.
It's gotta be what, 2 cents to include per MRE?
Fucking just put it in there, let the grunts figure out whether they want to put it in the main or not.

I've heard that in the next round of MRE manufacturing, the maple patty meal is getting the axe, and it makes me so angry, they could just toss a coin on which pizza slice gets cut and it would be no problem.
Whatever they replace it with (I've heard some kind of east Asian meal or something?) better be fucking worth it.

>>65198959
>the maple patty meal is getting the axe
>some kind of east Asian meal
had to cut it, MRE's not diverse enough

>They should honestly just put a pack of the hot sauce powder in every meal
they really should

>>65196057
Same but with 2 packs of cigarettes.

>https://www.army.mil/article/288659/what_to_expect_in_the_next_iteration_of_mres

>in MRE 46, they plan to replace the beef taco filling, pork sausage patty and jalapeno pepper jack beef patty — all of which were not rated high among surveyed service members — with a Cuban-style beef picadillo with vegetables, buffalo-style chicken, and a Thai-style red curry with chicken and rice
"with vegetables" and "rice" are red flags for me
I've never had any instant rice that tastes any good, or any vegetables that aren't token freeze-dried little bits

>More protein-filled snacks will round out the MREs, including new s'mores recovery bars and freeze-dried chocolate peanut butter bites
meh

>caffeine is one of the least consumed items in the MRE," Edwards said. "Previous generations were big coffee drinkers, but the newer generation of Soldiers are not
>As replacements, researchers looked to develop new beverage options, as well as energy chews, energy gels, caffeinated gum and even caffeinated jelly beans
no doubt army coffee is not single-origin enough for Gen Z warfighters
shitty taste profile and all that

>they have to still be edible after spending six months in 100 degrees Fahrenheit and three years at 80 degrees Fahrenheit
what astounds me is that other nations' combat rations AREN'T required to withstand this

>she said it's been a challenge to find snacks — aside from nuts — that provide 10 grams or more of protein. Many of them have a chemical reaction over time that gives them an unappetizing appearance. She used beef jerky as an example
> it has a very short commercial shelf life," Edwards said. "What happens to jerky over time is it gets dark in color and becomes unappealing. So, we had a challenge of finding jerkies that meet our shelf-life requirements.
TIL

>One service request was to include more plant-based items
notice how it is carefully phrased to avoid saying "the troops wanted it", instead of some vegan DEI pen pusher from California oblast

>>65196065
>>65196776
They should make a special holiday pack with vinogel and beer powder, sell it through the PX or something.

>>65198959
>>65198967
Fuck me they're cutting three decent ones:
>beef taco filling
>pork sausage patty
>jalapeno beef patty
What they're saying new menus will be is:
>Cuban-style beef picadillo
>buffalo-style chicken
>Thai-style red curry with chicken and rice.
Also, and this is turbo fucked: no more coffee.
They're instead going with caffeinated jelly beans and gum.
Fucking grim IMO.

>>65198992
>I've never had any instant rice that tastes any good
Texture is utterly fucked too, all MRE rice inevitably turns into gloop. Not a problem if it's supposed to be risotto, big problem if it's supposed to be anything else.

>shitty taste profile and all that
Zoomer soldiers are used to covfefe coming with 3 different toppings.

>what astounds me is that other nations' combat rations AREN'T required to withstand this
Some nations tend to have specialized rations for different terrain (polar ration, tropical ration etc.).

>instead of some vegan DEI pen pusher from California oblast
I'm pretty sure it wasn't DEI, but rather penny-pinching (vegshit, especially s0j, is cheaper than actual meat), mixed with a vigorous dose of agricorp welfare.

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>>65196696
>hating on goulash, the best menu

>>65196057
>white rice w some flavor packets (big portion)
>some spicy chicken or beef variant, well flavored
>vegetable portion, maybe something compact enough like carrots or something
>replace the overbloated biscuits/chocolate stuff with extra meat or veg
>for more cals include some chips or something maybe poptart-like
>electrolytes and water
>sugary drink of some sort

Yes I realize I probably described 90% of modern Asian/European rations.

>>65199031
>the best menu
This man's olfactory sense is broken.
I've never smelled and tasted anything that I could immediately identify as the epitome of "Sopakco" until I cracked open that main.
I have to tilt my head back, squeeze my nose shut, and just hork it down, it's gruesome.

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>>65196057
Mashed potatoes
That's it
The entire ration is just dehydrated mashed potatoes
Fun fact, milk+potatoes provides every major nutrient the human body needs to survive, so theoretically a man could live indefinitely off nothing but mashed potatoes
Eat your fucking potatoes, potato boy.
Fuck you.

>>65198995

Apparently the German powdered beer is non-alcoholic. I don't think you want that.

>>65196723
A cup of coffee has 60-80mg of caff.
You can take 600 a day for years if you drink tons of water and stay active. 300 a day is safe perpetually.

The fuck are you scared about

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>>65199008

>>65196781
>2400 calories for a 24hr assault pack.
Double that, and you have a decent base load out that could be stretched to two days if circumstances dictated.

>>65199499
>two such meal sets; and one more normal MRE meal made up of eat from the bag whole food, a jerky snack bar and a pressed fruit snack bar, totalling maybe 3500 calories

also, am I the only one who's ever wanted to just eat bars and go to sleep?

>>65199008
I thought they were making America great again

Someone send this info to the president so he can unfuck the MRE situation

>>65199205
>Apparently the German powdered beer is non-alcoholic.
Aww... ;_;

>>65196057
Lard. Lots and lots of lard. Shelf stable and extremely high calorie count per ounce. That's your base.

Then you mix in a bit of whey protein and what amounts to crushed up multivitamins and add corn starch until the texture is no longer vomit inducing. Why corn startch? A, gluten free and B, we have just SO MUCH CORN.

Anyway, a pound of lard is about 4000 calories and you typically need about 2000 just to live. I figure all the additives will drop the meal down to 3000 cal which should be enough for a man in combat.

>Sounds miserable
You asked for maximum performance, not maximum morale.

>>65198992
>>65199009
Honestly I think coffee is just a woman drink for gen Z. I don’t know any men my age or younger who drink coffee except the Cubans who drink exclusively Cuban coffee and turn their nose up at American style coffee and Central Americans on construction sites. White dudes certainly don’t drink it and I don’t think I’ve met any black guys that do.
That probably changes based on where you live though.

>>65199579
>That probably changes based on where you live though
Shocking

>>65199579
>White dudes certainly don’t drink it
where the hell do you live lmao
my German ex-boss even told me a story of company-wide coffee poisoning

>coffee is just a woman drink for gen Z
ironically, it used to be considered a woman drink by boomers also, especially before Starbucks, carrying the connotation of gossiping women having their kaffeeklatsch and coffee-and-cake
alternatively, it was associated with quitting alcohol or sobering up
when I was very young, in my house, only my grandmother drank coffee
even the men disdained it because "MEN don't need no liquid stimulants other than alcohol! besides, tea is more classy and traditional!"

funny to think I've seen the rise of Starbucks, then specialty coffee, and now what seems to be the beginnings of the fall

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>>65199579
>>65199579
It's more common in colder regions where ANY warm drink is a good drink and urbanized regions where circadian rhythms are shat on.

>>65196057
>>65196057
Why not do what the indians do. Just make normal food that has a good self life like for weeks not months, just cook them and hand them out? No need for something that not healthy.

>>65199609
>Why not do what the indians do.
>steal military rations and sell them off-base

>>65196057
What about something like a billion cube or portable soup nake a candy bar like shaped block that looks like a snickers bar. Put everything thats needed in it. Make it extremely calorie dense. One bar thr size of your thumb would have enough calories to last the whole day or week. You shave it down add it to some water and drink it like soup or just cut a little bit if it and eat it in it's own.we could make different flavours of it. Also make different variants. For special force make it so it is even more calorie dense for normal workers and civilians make it have lower calories etc.

>>65196130
I went camping with scouts food never improved moral or anything. Does food improve moral on grown men? The hot food you got wasnt even that good. I use to day dream having burgers from mcdonalds or something else. Most of the time the food was crap so food could just be seen as not that important unless it's something really nice like burgers or pizzas

>>65199622
>grown men
How old do you think the average private is?
it's not called "the infantry" for nothing

>>65199614
Doesnt the us military do the same. Theres so many stories of how when mres and other equipment come in the military has to destroy them so the quarter masters go in an sell the stuff. Curroption is everywhere wait till usa falls it's goingto be hell especially with diversity in effect people will be supporting there friends only

>>65199632
>Doesnt the us military do the same
Not nearly as much.
>Theres so many stories
"Stories" is right.
>wait till usa falls
Two more weeks, eh

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>>65196398
It is old reliable, hot or cold.
Speaking of hot I used to love the chicken and pesto pasta heated with the seasoning mix, but it was downright near inedible cold, and the smell cold was gag worthy it was definitely a must heat. They got rid of it due to how terrible it was cold

>>65196586
Read survival manuals of the time. Soldiers could eat the cigarettes sd the nicotine knocked out parasites in water.

>>65196723
They used to have shock-o-lots - chocolate covered coffee beans I think the whole bag was around 30-50mg

They can do a zapple gel that's caffienated, or even better do a electrolyte + caffiene tablet like a Nuun sport

>>65196784
There were and are several mains that taste like shit cold. Chicken Pesto got removed because it was absolutely terrible cold

>>65198005
It's because Chili Mac has been old reliable decent all around since the goddamned brown MRE bag 80's

>>65196793
>eventually get shot by an enemy sniper while distracted cutting your spoon

>>65197212
There is alcohol powder so you could theoretically make it alcoholic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder

>>65199732
Alcohol is already a liquid at STP. Makes as much sense to powder alcohol as it does water.

>>65199732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vPxt7qN24

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>>65199745
>he doesn't know

For /k/ ration there should be beef jerky, a tiny single shot .22 and a brick of 500 rounds for plinking

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>>65199579
You're a fucking idiot.
>>65199599
You're twice or even three times the idiot he is.

>>65199850
You don't impress me, phoneposter.

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>>65199574
>here's your pound of lard for the day, private

>>65199609
>Why not do what the indians do
The question answers itself.

>>65199881
Ok, how about this.
>Just make normal food that has a good self life like for weeks not months, just cook them and hand them out? No need for something that not healthy.

>>65199882
The US has an expeditionary military that depends on godly logistics and you think we should throw a monkey wrench into that for the sake of providing "healthier" meals when we have something now with five year shelf life and scientifically adequate nutrition? That's as stupid as counting on Private Fuckwitjeet to consistently make something that will keep that long under harsh conditions.

>>65199882
Because Indians apparently do it.

>>65199882
They already do, and have always done so.
As with logistics, it's the last mile of emergency rations, the "what do we send when we can't send a field kitchen", "what do we stockpile when we need it to last for months if not years", that they are concerned with.

>>65199878
We'd tell you to enjoy but we know that's not possible.

>>65199882
That's what we do when we have time to set up field kitchens. The problem is what do you do with troops have to camp out in the field, miles away from the nearest mess hall?

>>65196136
7pbp

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>>65199574
thats called pemmican.
Also question for this thread why arent pemmican is used by militaries.

>>65200252
>thats called pemmican.
If you swapped the whey powder and cornstartch for jerky, yes.
>Also question for this thread why arent pemmican is used by militaries.
Seconding this question. It was good enough for American Pioneers, why isn't it good enough for US soldiers?

>>65200252
>>65200269
difficult and costly to mass-produce, and is relatively unappetising
think of the amount of tallow and berries that would be needed. as it is, you fellas do know that tallow is priced too high for common use, right?
and pemmican actually doesn't taste great. yet you propose to feed it to soldiers who turn up their nose at MREs? they won't stand for it

>>65200252
Beef hard tack.

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>>65196057
Baked goods made with lard for maximum caloric density and shelf stability. Meat is also necessary for happy soldiers. Skip vegetables who cares when you are in the field and need the largest possible amount of food energy per gram carried.
Ideally the MRE should have a ballistic rating and be able to be easily affixed to some hardpoint on the uniform so it can do double duty as shrapnel protection.

>>65200375
>hardtack rated STANAG 4569 Level 0.1; able to stop 50% of soldiers' teeth at point blank range, 450

>>65200375
>Skip vegetables who cares when you are in the field and need the largest possible amount of food energy per gram carried.
Because no one fights like a soldier with indigestion. Well, until the scurvy kicks in at least.

>>65200375
>What is it with dead people and their obsession with Lard?!

>>65196130
Sewing kit in every meal covers shit bag gear from a low all contractor. Stitches wounds. Trade item. A thousand reasons you need some thread and a needle- but don't over think it, very minimal. Pre threaded even.

>>65200454
why not just issue soldiers a sewing kit, like it's the 1790s Royal Navy

>>65196781
Good idea. I love nutripacks and nutribars. Food cubes forever!

Fuck food. I just want one pill that provides me with 2000 calories and all the micro macro nutrients.

>>65200496
Then start buying complete nutrition shakes faggot, it was a huge fad in the 2010s and they're still around

>>65199311
negro I know grunts and how retarded they are. I'm not scared of someone dying, but you can easily overdose on caffeine to the point that they'd be practically incapacitated, especially if they've been saving them prior and thus aren't accustomed to suddenly high doses of caffeine. even if they don't get to that point, it'd be easy for someone to consume enough caffeine to be unfit for combat, both psychologically and physiologically. an exhausted soldier popping 10 or more caffeine pills to stand watch isn't going to be an effective soldier, they're gonna be shaky and anxious. a soldier popping that many prior to an assault might amplify their anxiety and break down easier in the face of tough opposition. Coffee, caffeine-containing food items, etc. are fine, it's hard to amass enough quantities and consume enough in one sitting to get to the point of being combat-ineffective, pills etc. on the other hand aren't particularly appetizing and soldiers would be far more likely to stash them, and then consuming a bunch at one time.

>>65200544
Everything you said comes from a guy who thinks a cup of coffee is lethal.
300mg over 10 hours is fucking nothing.

1000 all at once is stupid, but 99.9998% of the time the result is bad withdrawal for about 12 hours. Someone with a tolerance and consumi g that 1,000 over a full day won't notice anything at all.

You people dont know anything. I'm amazed you can read.

>>65200477

Check out nutriloaf, it's the stuff they serve prisoners to make sure they hit their daily caloric requirement by law

>>65196057
I'd give soldiers a joint.
Back, knees, interest level to detail your kit and maintain your weapon, less misery, (very minor) mitigates hearing damage and some other things because anti-inflammatory. Appetite support. I can think of 100 other reasons the prohibition is retarded.

>>65199472
He needs no food. Just an extraction point.

>>65200881
>result is bad withdrawal for about 12 hours
>this is not an issue in a combat scenario
>you're retarded for thinking this, and the immediate symptoms of consuming a fuckton of caffeine all at one are bad for a soldier's combat effectiveness
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>Someone with a tolerance and consumi g that 1,000 over a full day
yeah over a full day, I never said
>hurr durr get rid of all caffeine
I said, specifically that caffeine pills could easily allow soldiers to consume excess amounts of caffeine in a short period of time, and that it'd affect their combat effectiveness, especially if they're not used to such high doses. They're not gonna die from the caffeine, but I'm sure the army would prefer not having a bunch of grunts all hopped up on far too much caffeine twitching like they have parkinsons.

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>>65196057
Presented without comment…

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>>65200966

>>65199008
>No coffee
Facking younglings

>>65200962
The other .00002% of the time 1000 miligram of caffeine would give an epileptic a siezure. These are young fit men we're talking about here. The lethal range for our subjects is significantly higher than the LD10 of the gen pop.
Here's a report of a 23 year old who ate 6,000 mg.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8824417/

I have consumed 3 300mg energy drinks in a work day multiple times. The headache is all that happens if i cold turkey the next day.
Stop fucking talking about shit you dont understand.

Give the kids caffeine tabs.

>>65201065
Caffeine and Nicotine are gay stimulants. We already have the liver metabolizing amphetamine in Vyvanse so that you don't get cracked out redosing, that's a better one.

>>65200327
>difficult and costly to mass-produce
mainly this. Recall the heydey of Pemican use by the white man was when there 80 quadzillion bison roaming the American plains. Plus a properly prepared pemican utilzing modern vacuum packaging and other preservation techniques would last far longer on the shelf than a modern contractor would find acceptable to their business plan.

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>>65200375
>Baked goods made with lard for maximum caloric density
all fat has the same caloric density jackass

>>65201118
>would last far longer on the shelf than a modern contractor would find acceptable to their business plan
what are you expecting, something for nothing?
if the customer wants a 3-year lifespan, the customer will be charged for a product that lasts 3 years; if the customer wants a 10-year lifespan, the customer will be charged for a product that lasts 10 years, simple as
all this manufacturer-blaming horseshit is merely customers trying to shift blame for their own shitty purchasing decisions

>>65199574
>If the soldiers die of heart attacks before their term is up we won't need to pay disability
Genius!

>>65199574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssM7e-HiRg

>>65201453
The emphasis was on "with a shelf stable natural fat" as opposed to baked goods with little fat or some bullshit like hydrogenated palm oil. Lard is also a nice mix of saturated and mono-unsaturated fat.

>>65202016
Lard isn't fully shelf stable, it goes rancid like most other fats. It's more shelf-stable than veg shortening, but it still goes off in the end.

>>65196193
Needs a little squeeze tube of mustard and some crackers, perfecto

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>>65197212
To the powdered beer??
That is the kind of potion that I will absolutely not sell to anyone under any circumstances.

>>65202652
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boot_(cocktail)

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Simple. Remove any and all unnecessary flavoring or nonessential luxuries from the ration. As a member of the armed forces, you are not a person, you're a piece of meat who will follow orders, and you WILL eat what is provided to you.
Soldiers should be provided with universal rations similar to Nutraloaf, with additional calories and nutrients added as needed to provide the full complement of daily nutrition. This Nutraloaf ration should be made as cheaply as possible - the average prison meal, for example, is designed to cost less than $1. By reducing daily meals down to Nutraloafs, we will be able to significantly reduce the costs of feeding our armed forces. This will provide us with spare capacity and funds so that equipment may be purchased and donated to places such as Ukraine. They need shells and Bradleys far more than peacetime troops need ice cream and jalapeno cheese.
Nutraloaf rations should be made as tasteless as possible. The goal is not to make it taste bad, just bland. This will prevent overeating, which will satisfy the additional goal of eliminating obesity within the armed forces. There will be no more Meal Team Sixes, not unless they are willing to eat multiple tasteless and bland nutraloafs.
By removing luxuries such as candies or fruit drink mixes or sauces and condiments from the ration, we will also be able to simplify the construction of this ration. With a single highly-preserved universal Nutraloaf as the sole element of the ration, we will be able to eliminate packaging and further reduce costs. This has the added benefit of totally killing off ratfucking. There will only be a single universal item to eat, so there will be no picky eaters.
A hungry enough soldier will eat anything, even a vomelet. Ignore complaints. Once hunger sets in, they'll eat the Nutraloaf.

Soldiers are there to fight, not feast. We should feed them as such.

>>65202723
I know this post is satire and bait but commies and some neverserves genuinely think this way

>>65196106
There’s literally no reason why we can’t engineer this. We’ve gone to space, we’ve master nuclear fission, I want a pizza I can eat on the field and won’t make me fat

>>65203847
>I want a pizza I can eat on the field and won’t make me fat
Pizza won't make you fat.

>>65196609
>make the spoon a bit shorter
why not just have a fucking mess kit and get rid of the utensils in the ration
even if the main use of the ration is intended to be handing it out to afghan children they can scrounge up their own fucking spoons

>>65201065
.t on track for a heart attack in his thirties

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>>65196166
That aint it chief

>>65203145
Some McNamara in the making is working on this idea as we speak, because "troop morale" is an unmeasurable intangible, so we shouldn't care about it.
Real talk, though, you could probably actually feed people Nutraloafs as long as you gave them insane amounts of hot sauce and jalapeno cheese to soak their Nutraloafs in. Hell, you could probably feed people hardtack and bully beef if you give them enough jalapeno cheese to drown the weevils with. Make shit spicy enough and people won't care what the shit they're eating tastes like. Any /k/ ration should come with a mimimum of something like 6 packets of very spicy hot sauce and 6 packets of jalapeno cheese for that very reason - if you don't like the taste, just make it spicy enough so you can't taste it.

>>65205033
>they can scrounge up their own fucking spoons
I can't remember which minimalist philosopher it was who exclaimed that he had needlessly used a spoon all his life when he had a perfectly adequate eating utensil attached to the end of his wrist

>>65205083
>"troop morale" is an unmeasurable intangible, so we shouldn't care about it
IAS 38 explains very well how to measure intangibles, and yes, we should care about, insofar as it provides measurable results at a measurable cost

>Real talk,
MREs are a teensy tiny part of the whole military system and ceased to be a war-winning factor by the time everyone adopted C-rations or equivalent

>>65196057
Each individual ration packet (1 gallon heavy duty zip lock freezer bag) shall contain the following: 2 each Pemmican, Just Fruit, Chocolate, Oatmeal with Raisin, Chocolate chip, SPAM, Ramen, Mac and Cheese, Tuna salad, and Ex Lax bars.

A metal camp cup topped off with instant coffee, tea bags, sugar, creamer, and Gatorade packets with a snap-on plastic lid.

And an accessory packet containing baby wipes, tooth brush, spoon, Bic lighter, Esbit cooker, Water purification tablets, small roll of 100mph tape, sharpie, tampon, 1 meter 550 cord, single edge razor blade, medicated band aides, and aspirin. Now you have pogey bait to trade with your squad or barter with the locals for whiskey and smoke.

That's it. Move out smartly, troop.

>>65199008
I don't get why they wouldn't cut chicken chunks if they wanted buffalo chicken. I actually like the chicken chunks alright (althought the more recent ones I've gotten came with mayo instead of bbq sauce, which is not ideal), but buffalo chicken would just be a straight upgrade. Or rather than go through all that rigmarole, just include a lil Tabasco bottle with the chicken chunks. It's actually a little surprising that they didn't already think of that.

>>65199205
Turns out powdering alcohol is really inefficient.
Just add pure ethanol to taste.

>>65207920
To make powdered alcohol they just bind ethanol to refined sugars.
That means a given volume of powdered alcohol is significantly greater is mass and volume than plain old vodka.
Powdered alcohol is a pointless gimmick.

And ethanol + sugar is a liver killer.

>>65202723

You forgot about that whole "morale" aspect

>>65196267
>Rations like that are for troops out on tour for months at a time away from base/supply, etc.
You fucking moron. Those are what field kitchens are for. Rations are for the "in between" times like when troops are actively fighting in a foxhole but still need to eat or on the move during an offensive. You shouldn't be using rations for more than 3 days at a time.

>>65196057
Oats, PB and deenz. You also get a mini tin of Zyn, a sugar free Rip-it and a packet of Valentina Negra.

>>65208579
>Oats, PB and deenz
Congratulations on coming up with a more repulsive combo than the lard anon.

>>65200327
>you fellas do know that tallow is priced too high for common use, right?
Lard is actually pretty cheap. Should do the same job for a lower price.

>>65207642
They all come with Tabasco from the factory. They have just been masterfully ratfucked by the time you get them.

>>65209369
would be interesting to know if anyone can actually do pemmican with lard

>>65209380
Tabasco was removed from MREs for over a decade, from 2011 to 2022. They put in a powdered hot sauce mix, but it wasn't the same. It wasn't until during COVID where the Army was unable to source a cost effective foil layer to make the hot sauce pouches that they went back to the bottles.

>>65196057
first i would get rid of the goyslop, so that means throwing out that entire thing
replace it with a nice serving of chick fil a sandwiches
yep

>>65196067
I developed a taste aversion to pop tarts during my deployment because they were the most effective way to get enough calories to stay awake

>>65196057
Nic Pouches (wintergreen), GFuel or GSupps packets totalling 300mg of caffeine, 1 (one) Caloriemate box: 400 calories (Maple or Chocolate), preserved fruit e.g banana chips, and Chicken or Beef jerky unseasoned with tajin or chili seasoning packets included in the bag

>>65209565
You can but it doesn't solidify like tallow. I'm hoping whey powder will help firm it up but it's probably going to be eaten out of a tube or pouch.

>>65209600
Mayo is not a preservative.

>>65210306
>should do the same job
>doesn't actually do the same job
every fucking time

Rip-It/Zyns in every ration with clear labelling and a cut out that shows the Rip-It/Zyn is still in the packaging. Beef Jerky. Crackers. Jalepeno Cheddar spread. Small bottle of Tabasco. I'll take 200 million dollars Mr. Hegseth.

>>65207948
I used to think I didn't get hangovers until I got blasted on rum and cokes once, took days to feel better.

>>65210310
You just aren't using enough salt and seed oils.

>>65210362
>Beef Jerky. Crackers. Jalepeno Cheddar spread. Small bottle of Tabasco.
I would suggest the Vegetable Crackers instead of the regular ones, since they're basically just Better Crackers.

>>65200924
If you were giving marijuana to soldiers you would want high CBD, low THC gummies.

>>65201658
Post nose.

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>>65196057

Chef Boyardee
Beef Jerky
Coca Cola
Coffee

It was good enough for WWII. It's good enough for your fat asses. Trade out the biscuits for Pop Tarts if you're gonna be modern. Or look at the MCW menus because they're just Mountain House products.

Seriously though, looking at the MRE menus they are fucking weird shit you've never heard of.

why are these threads so reddity and unfunny? you get a couple of good posts, then the rest are the same kind of shit you'd see on the youtube comment section

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>>65196057
I make mine with my freeze dryer and off the shelf accessories. You can buy milkshake spoons on Amazon by the hundred for cheap. Compressed towels and alcohol wipes for hygiene and a katadine tablet or two and it's ready for a camping trip or go bag.

>>65211032
I'm sure you give your employer way better value than he pays for in your job

>>65196106
fat fuck

>>65211285
It's 4chan. Most threads are like that.

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>>65213376
Pretty decent survival kit, tbdesu.

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>>65196057
Honestly I'm surprised that they aren't just handing out protein bars and chewing gum.

>>65213386
Yeah especially the meth.

>>65196797
>sewing kit
You will not believe how many groins, pockets, and other clothing items get torn in the field anon.

>>65213618
I had a lot of M85 pattern lose the side of a knee stitch or something just like that. I really man 1 needle and 20 feet of basic thread, I imagine that though not all will need it, enough will always be around.

>>65213407
I just got a B box today and I'm overjoyed. I love rations and the luxury of picking them apart because nothing ever happens. I even like the very mid mains so even though I save them for last it's not leftover shit I don't want either.
Fuck I'ma have me some Bill's Brew right now.

>>65196057
something like a protein bar. easy to eat, calorie and nutrient dense so that it's small iand light, no frill or bullshit, fuck your flavoring, no FRH required.

>>65203847
there is a pepperoni pizza MRE but i can promise that you wouldnt like it. imagine a cafeteria pizza square that's been pushed to the back of the refrigerator for 4 months.

>>65215084
>there is a pepperoni pizza MRE but i can promise that you wouldnt like it. imagine a cafeteria pizza square that's been pushed to the back of the refrigerator for 4 months.
If anything that's too kind. I'm the kind of weirdo who enjoys square cafeteria pizza and the MRE pepperoni pizza is still the only non-vegetarian main I'll just throw away. It's a bad roll (all MRE bread is bad and they should stop trying) with tomato sauce and bad cheese and a token amount of shredded pepperoni (which still makes it better than the cheese pizza, I guess).

>>65199008
Zoomers think coffee gives you ass cancer
Or something equally retarded i dont know i made it up but it sounds right

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>>65196057
OOPS, ALL METH

>>65205038
I'm already in my 40s, close to 50 actually, and aside from my injuries my body dont give no fucks. Yeah yeah sure absolute peak performance has naturally reduced like 7% but in reality the body doesn't fucking care and nothing has changed. If anything I've continued to get stronger and better.

>>65216639
Sure thing

>>65199008
>Thai-style red curry with chicken and rice.
Honestly sounds really fucking good.
>no more coffee
Suicide rates among active US service skyrockets, morale at an all time low.
Brass is clueless as to why, despite every single enlisted man outright telling them.

>>65216649
You do know that for most people who dont need to be peak athletes or cardio maxed foot grunts, the body just makes gains for many decades right? We're a species that optimized ourselves to survive for a minimum of 6 decades.

>>65216631
>source
>i made it up
Sounds like bullshit but I believe it.

>>65196166
>warfighter

this is one of those words that are gayer than 2 dudes literally fucking each other in the ass

>>65196057
Add multivitamins to it

>>65205038
Learn when to greentext a .t
>>65216649
Post body.

>>65216651
So...business as usual?