Drones didn't exist in the 90s.

Hope this helps

>>65200206
>RC cars and planes didn’t exist in the 90’s
Not true.

>>65200202
You're brown. Iran killed more of its people than the feds ever will. Go die in a ditch turdie asshola!

>>65200202
they would eventualy use a helicopter or something to blow them up, but the incendiary tank would have cooked its crew instead of lolies
>>65200228
>starts the war by killing 150 school lolies

>>65200202
It wouldn't helped at all if anything it would of hurt them.

>>65200233
Should of killed more till the whole generation was sent to mudshit paradise.

>>65200258
Based. Total brownie turdie death

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>>65200209
They existed back in the 80s even

>>65200258
>turdie
the average iranian/israeli is whiter than the average mutt.

>>65200233
They were shotas, actually. Get your facts straight.

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>>65200233
>they would eventualy use a helicopter or something to blow them up
God bless the Philadelphia Police Department.

>>65200202
No. The Feds had decided to kill thrm all and destroy all evidence as soon as they realized it would be proven in court that they fired first.

>>65200228
Eat shit, bootlicker tourist scum.

>>65200296
there is a chance they could jam a drone in the helicopter, weve seen it done in ukraine too.
though that depends on the drone pilot skills and coordination with the others

>>65200202
>If they stockpiled a decent amount of drones, could they have beat the Feds?
Serious answer: it'd come down to politics, and thus is impossible to say.

Backing up, as a technical/purely power matter, no that's impossible. The whole point of drones is that they're cheap consumables, like bullets, that aren't individually as effective as fancy weapons costing hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars but that you can spam with enormous flexibility and numbers and do a very solid job on the cheap, forcing your opponent into an unfavorable material exchange. But that only works if you can actually do the mass production bit. If all you have are some stockpiles, those will get consumed just like anything else and then you run out and lose. They're also easy to make, but they don't like, grow out of the ground. You need SOMETHING industrial. An entire country with a distributed manufacturing base, even a country that's much tinier than its opponent, can make this work. But a commune (or single base) is just too tiny. At that point you can just get blapped conventionally.

In a highly mobile militia situation, drones would certainly be a force multiplier, though not infinite. And there you may be able to get stuff off the black market that'd substitute for your supply lines. But again that's not unlimited, and here they were a single fixed point which is the worst from a defense perspective. No ground to give.

Now, they definitely could have fought harder with drones. But how that works out is down to soft factors and I don't know how it'd have gone. Maybe bloodying the federal nose more would make them pull back, or draw more attention and public outcry. But conversely maybe actually killing federal officers would promote a massive negative response. People were a lot more serious back then.

>>65200311
>maybe actually killing federal officers
Also yes technically the atf counts I guess but that was also the result of their own retardedly done raid, and atf didn't have any particular great public rep back then either. I was more thinking FBI agents or even national guard or something more photogenic at the time, and at long range vs right at the compound. Drones might even have prompted fears about LE CULTIST THREATENING CIVILIANS since they have significant range.

>>65200298
Cops fire first all the time. Get better cope.

>>65200206
You are extra retarded. The Q-12 drone development started in 1962. This was the drone that was launched from an SR-71 at a speed of Mach 3.2.

>>65200360
>I'm right
>I'm coping
Pick one.

>>65200504
Yes. In the first count, firing first is entirely normal for law enforcement deadly force encounters. You are coping that this would be any different.
In the second count, the half of the door that was retained proved that both sides fired. You are coping that the other half of the door would have proved anything other than "there was even more shooting".

>>65200510
You are thinking in today's climate.
In 1993 the public still considered it unacceptable for LEOs to start shooting at people merely because they didn't let them in and detain them on questionable charges.
Also sauce on the door.

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>>65200202
No. Next question.

>>65200524
It may not have been normalized on the civil side, but fucking Bonnie and Clyde got shot first, and they all walked. If their testimony had been "I saw a gun come out and I started blasting", that would have been just as defensible as "they shot first".
I'm not going to go to the trouble of digging up court transcripts, so here's the oldest damned thing I can find on the surface web, being a collection of news article transcripts.
https://www.cesnur.org/testi/waco95.htm
under "surprised by gunfire". The Dallas Morning News archive is down for maintenance, but if it ever comes up, then it should be easy enough to verify the article is real.
https://archive.dallasnews.com/

I commend your originality, "catastrophic fuckup transitioning into malice" isn't one I hear much, but I don't see a reason why they would feel the need to conduct that complex of a cover-up.

>>65200589
>I don't see a reason why they would feel the need to conduct that complex of a cover-up.
Janet Reno.
Never understimate the malice potential of a woman.

>>65200593
Sensible chuckle.

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>>65200589
They'd been fucking up for years, getting bad press and sometimes outright loosing cases when they tried to entrap people. Koresh was a libtard faggot and wasn't racist but he was associated in their minds with separatism and white nationalism. Nobody in the cult broke ranks when a previous member who'd had issues with Koresh accused him of shit. Nobody complied with their CPS shit and nobody would make any statements about abuse even those who didn't like Koresh. Nobody would rat them out on gun charges directly so they had to get a warrant based on supposition. Basically the FBI failed to get dirt on them for a year, then fucked up the attempt to serve a warrant, then got outshot and humiliated by hippies with bolt actions who even let their glowniggers go rather than gun them down as they fled. They were totally humiliated, they felt that if they didn't make an example of these hippies who knows what actual skinheads or somebody who was actually political would do to them.

They didn't even cover it up well and got raked over the coals in congress, but the media being libtards and the target of the FBI not being a designated victim group ensured that part didn't become widely known at the time. They made like 3 shitty TV movies trying to persuade the public that the hippies were ebil or something.

>>65200202
yes anon, the feds would just go home and say 'you win bro'.

>some sort of legal 30 day siege time limit before they had to draw down.
this is correct, feds are only allowed to enforce the law for 30 days. after that you win.

>>65200330
the fbi took over the operation and had koresh talking on the phone in 15 minutes apparently. then he decided to say fuck it.

that could be the fbi throwing the atf under the bus. we don't know.

>>65201318
maybe they decided it was a good chance to end this potential threat, imagine if they survived and were still around being retarded

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The cops used a robot with a bomb strapped to it to kill that black guy who became a meme after killing some cops, remember? 2016 Dallas police shooting.
If the cult used drones, they would get droned in response.

>>65200589
>Bonnie and Clyde got shot first, and they all walked.
they got killed on a highway in the south, what are you talking about?

>>65201340
i think the idea that the feds would give up and go home is the funniest shit ever. or that you if kill enough feds and get the high score you win against the federal government or something. that's pretty hilarious when you think about it.

>>65200589
>>65201344
nevermind. apparently i can't read.

>>65201347
That's possible in countries where the State is weak enough though, see latin american cartels.

>>65201352
while this is true, the us is not that country. you may be subtlely implying the op is brown?

>>65201347
I mean the Bundy ranch standoff ended up with the feds getting tired and going home instead of outlasting a bunch of boomers camping out on a bridge, and they only snatched anyone way later during a different and pre planned ambush. Feds aren't the military, their goals are entirely dependent on political will and not a greater national interest, so if they can neither force a confrontation or a surrender they are just using up budget and being unhappily "deployed" until it starts to look bad on the news.

>>65201388
NTA, but that's something of the exception that proves the rule. The list is short enough that you can practically name the number of times they've broken a siege, and the number of times it's happened after shots fired is near-zero. Waco suffered greatly from lacking the tools and doctrine for dealing with schizos that pretty much every local PD has today. So consider that my response to >>65201042, as well. Because up until the fire breaks out, there's nothing really unique about it beyond the sheer size of it.

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>>65200202
No, when the Feds can't beat something they usually escalate to the Air National Guard, and if they aren't on the phone they go straight to the AF. Try to rebel at 3,900 RPM, motherfucker.

>>65201417
Waco was done badly on purpose. Kotesh went out to shop regularly and was seen in town all the time, they could have arrested him wherever and whenever and avoided a confrontation with the entire Branch Davidians, but the point was always a show of force to go in and catch them all in the 'act' of whatever they might have been doing wrong. It was shock and awe for feds who were desperate to support the dangerous militia narrative Janet Reno was pushing which was the main thrust behind gun control efforts in the 80s and 90s. The Branch Davidians' activities and Koresh himself never mattered in the grand scheme of things, the federal government just threw a dart at the wall and landed on them as the ideal gun nut jesus freak target to make an example of. They thought it would be easy.

>>65201388
>I mean the Bundy ranch standoff ended up with the feds getting tired and going home
it ended because a federal judge found marlarkey and stuck his fist up the bureau of land management's ass.

>>65201417
>schizos that pretty much every local PD has today.
the local sheriff actually got on well with koresh and wasn't told the atf was doing what they were doing. the issue was a federal one with the atf, not the local cop.

>>65201549
This, additionally it was a passover sacrifice.

>>65201549
I don't, strictly disagree. The extrapolation that he would have just played nice and told them all to come out falls into "are you ready to bet lives on that" territory, though. My point is that once they were into that standoff, the pattern of behavior is nothing special and does not evince a specific loosening in the rules of engagement, especially after Ruby Ridge DID, and they got fucking hammered for it.

>>65200202
>could they have beat the Feds?
They lost because they thought they could negotiate when in fact the feds decided to straight up murder all of them. If they understood that they would have had a better chance. They let FBI set up three sniper locations who kept shooting at them, their water supplies and power generators. Then the special forces flew over in helicopters and repeatedly strafed them with machine gun fire. Then the special forces moved in on the ground with a tank and set the place on fire and they rolled off APCs and gunned down the women and children trying to flee the fire. All this is well documented and the FBI had a plane circling overhead video recording everything. Also the audio tapes document the FBI negotiator telling them not to come out (before the tank rolled in to burn the place down). The army will not hesitate to gun down civilians including women and children trying to flee a burning structure.

>>65201549
>they could have arrested him wherever and whenever and avoided a confrontation
The day of the shooting Koresh went for his regular morning run on the street and when he came back he saw the AFT and they saw him and said nothing to Koresh, they waited form him to go back to the building. Then the feds came in in trailers and pile out with their guns and the dogs started barking and the feds opened fire on the dogs and Koresh opened th front door and the feds shot him. That is when the Dividians grab their guns, not before. The feds were just blasting away and the davdians were defending themselves and feds were shooting each other by mistake. The feds asked for a cease fire and the Davidians stopped and let the fed gather their dead and wounded and retreat.

>>65201615
You forgot the part where the feds filled the building with CS gas(flammable) before shooting incendiary rounds into the house.

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>>65200277
Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you reeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>65201624
>Anonymous 06/02/26(Tue)00:33:34No.652016
Would have been more amusing if the Davidians were illegal gun runners with AP4 and shot all the glowniggers in the back after saying they'd let them go. The 90s really was a different time, these days it seems like the feds walk around on tip toes in case somebody is packing tungsten cores for their .243rem and is itching to ventilate some Langley-based jew-lovers.

Tungsten for .243 is fucking awesome by the way punched through a full inch of steel like shit through a goose.

>>65201667
Literally shake and baked them, Jesus lmao. I can’t think of a worse way to die

Shooting insane cultists is s good use of guns IMO

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>>65201417
This is some fucking clown-shoes shit right here, notice how they depict the glownogs breaking through a fucking picket fence while spraying an extinguisher as if to say "we didn't mean to burn down the place and kill those chillins via smoke inhalation, honest".
https://youtu.be/1wyV01wJiTI?t=4821

>>65201759
I mean they weren’t really insane. Everyone that met them liked them well enough and they were pretty well liked by their community

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>>65201750
>>65201667
Crashed a tank with a robot arm to dispense the CS gas into the building then fired smoke canisters at the cloud of gas because clearly they needed more obscuring smoke to cover them when you couldn't see shit through the CS. It's pretty obvious that they glownigs were butthurt about being made fools of earlier and deliberately tried to fuck shit up as much as possible.

>>65200202
no, feds would have hit them with artillery or air strikes.
a JDAM if they were worried about losing.

>>65201759
It's too bad the Davidians didn't kill more of the insane cultists.

>>65201775
Ya seethe? KWAB

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>>65201762
>>65201759
They were a bunch of hippy pussies, in fact the only recording of Koresh saying crazy shit is in fact just him mocking some other local asshole he had a land dispute with, they just cut out all the context before airing it on TV. He's just the usual cult leader, a cult being any closed religious body, he wasn't even new at it his family had run the cult for fifty years with no real complaints by anybody.

They weren't breaking any laws so the FBI's only means to get a warrant was to credence the claims of abuse by an estranged cult member residing in California. I really do wish they had raided the Aryan Nation instead, not because I dislike the Aryan Nation but because they had some actual crazy excons around who would have slaughtered the feds and I'd get to laugh at their deaths on camera whenever I like. Instead a jew with government connections sued them for six gorillian dollars because they transferred funds in a way the government didn't like but which wasn't directly forbidden by existing statutes.

>>65201761
>3-month production made while events are still ongoing is schlocky exploitation
Yes, and?

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>>65201801
Nigger it was made with the direct cooperation of several faggots who oversaw the operation and the video distributor was owned by a relative(jew) of one of the head organizers. This is just some incestuous CYOA bullshit why are you covering for it? You faggots just cede the narrative to your political opposition and seem to be more mad at those who point it out rather than the bullshit itself.

ATF was incompetent, and HRT was full of warmongers. Only the FBI's negotiating team was working properly.

>>65200209
>>65200495
>durrr semantics
in a modern sense drone is shorthand for "fpv drone"

>>65201811
Sauce, please. Near as I can tell, the owner of WIN at the time was its founder Larry Gershman, and a cursory JFGI is failing to show the last name in relation to Waco.
>why are you covering for it?
Because the only thing worse than the enemy is the retard on your team.

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>>65200206
>>65200209
Before she became a movie star, Marilyn Monroe made a living working in a factory assembling drones for the US air force.

There also was a secret US kamikaze drone program during WW2, which made it all the way to combat deployment.

What didn't exist were cheap and reliable drones. RC cars and planes were an expensive hobby and radio control was absolutely rank.

>>65200209
High quality optics that make civy drones useful were not available in the 90s. Yes this is a major blocker on their effectiveness as would the lack of HE

>>65200202
If they had committed to an offensive stance the fed casualties would have been ten times higher, they however fought an exclusively defensive battle, even letting pinned down feds go at one point thinking that feds had some kind of honor or humanity.

>>65201347
>>65201355
That's literally how the united states came into being.

If they magically pulled out fpvs with proper explosives on them in the 90s theyd likely just get BTFO by the air national guard as the feds panic.

>>65202087
With massive outside aid from a rival great power, though.

>>65201877
FPV DRONES R TARD
YOU THINK YOU'RE CUTE YOU THINK YOU'RE SMART
STUPID FUCKING ANIME

The real question is how many bricks the feds would have shat if the militias they were so scared of actually existed and showed up to protest outside their perimeter throughout the whole siege. Guns in front and guns behind them, they probably would have sperged out hard and started a firefight with them too.

>ITT Defending a pedo cult
At least MAGA is consistent.

>>65202683
>Defending a pedo cult
Whos defending the feds here?

>>65200202
With 90s drone tech (RC planes with 2-stoke engines) they could have done a lot of damage with a surprise attack but I would expect a lot to be shot down in followup attacks once the cops expected them.
With modern drone tech and counter drone the cops could borrow from the military it would come down to how prepared the Davinians were. A truck microwave would fuck drones within it's cone but would be easily killed by a flanking drone. Then the main advantage is unpredictable 3d flight making the drones way harder to shoot down and them being so much cheaper you can afford hundreds instead of dozens for the same outlay.

>>65202683
>>65202691
Guy both sides can be shit, not everything needs you to take sides.
The Davidians were a pedo cult and the feds "rescued" the kids by burning them to death.

>>65202721
The davidians set the fire themselves, and stayed inside to burn to death because they were fanatics. These are just facts.

>>65202741
Another fact is David Koresh left the compound several times a week and went into town, the feds could have picked him up there and avoiding the seige completely but they wanted a fight and to make an example.

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>>65200202
As if they didn't already suffer the full wieght of the empire? They would have been Death Starred even harder.

>>65202741
Yet more gov.gov LIES.
>>65202749
>yeah, so let's just start shit in Ruby Ridge o prove our point

>>65202087
>That's literally how the united states came into being.
1. The British Empire was a foreign power, with the majority of its troops and forces for the war being sent in. Yes it had some local sympathizers, but it still had to deal with a lot of the disadvantages in terms of logistics, local knowledge and so on that come with that. It was up against a popular domestic revolution that it had fucked up the politics on significantly. A civil war is a lot messier, as we ourselves proved.

2. The 1700-1800 is not the 2000-2100. There has been a radical change in the difference in power of an individual vs an organization, in every single sphere. The entire dynamics of humanity worldwide have shifted, in terms of, again, basically fucking everything. Where people work, how people get fed, how people can feed themselves vs being dependent on an industrial supply chain, geopolitics, communication, the works. It was also a unique moment in time unto itself in terms of the global situation and how that pulled on Britain.

3. It was still a near-run thing. I'm sure there are endless alternative universes where it's remembered as Washington's Rebellion or something and was successfully put down. This is easily forgotten, but we have a lot more revolution and insurgent efforts to look at through history vs the American Revolution and part of what makes ours memorable is precisely that it worked out so well, when typically they don't. And not just in the conduct of the war, but the aftermath in maintaining it. And we effectively had to fight a second one decades later to finally forever close the door on Britain at least partly denying our independence.

>>65202683
>Defending the Clinton administration
Survivors and people who left early said only Koresh was banging 14 year olds. The rest of the adults were just braindead cultists like you and >>65202741.
>inb4 maga shill
-inb4 zigger
Nope

>>65202721
This
It's worrying how nobody understands nuance anymore.

>>65200228
>>65200275
>brown
>turdie
Your antisemitism will not be tolerated here.

>>65201549
>It was shock and awe for feds who were desperate to support the dangerous militia narrative Janet Reno was pushing which was the main thrust behind gun control efforts in the 80s and 90s
also to fix the pr for the ATF after Ruby Ridge, iirc.

>>65202864
>The British Empire was a foreign power
anon, that's fucking retarded. Americans weren't some rnadom indian tribe that inhabitated the eastern american coast. They were British subjects settling on land that was owned by the British Empire. The entire revolution started because their rights as British citizens to representation in Parliament were not being respected by the government.
Sorry to nitpick like that but that phrase activated my autism like nothing else.

>>65202683
>>65202721
Post your gun with timestamp if were supposed to take your shit opinion seriously.

>>65201761
>Fed Ling Lager
It never not tickles me to contemplate that a century+ American beer sounds like a chinaman.

>>65206502
>Demanding post gunz from a 30 hour old post.
>Seething this hard.

kek

>>65206566
That's what I fucking thought outsider

>>65206502
I'm >>65202721 and I'm the aussie that can't own guns because I was caught making explosives.
I have been here since 2007.
You can learn new things and change you opinion, I use to be fully with the Davidians but since then I have learnt more about them and Karesh had it coming but they should have picked him up in town on his own with pedo charges instead of the ATF bullshit.

They will always escalate force if you are winning. The best they could have done was inflict more casualties before an air strike was used or the building was demolished with tanks or heavy equipment with them in it.

>>65206848
>because I was caught making explosives.
Can you please make a thread and greentext this (preferably fresh prince it for old time's sake as well) and post a link here.
>t. also ausfag here since '07 (maybe '06, I'm a little hazy)

>>65206859
I've told it a few times over the years.
>be space flight autist
>fucking love rockets
>start making solid fuel rockets at home
>learn more about rocket fuels
>learn more chemistry
>realize HE is just really well mixed fuel
>make HMTD, nitrocellulose, nitroglycerin and ETN
>come up with a pretty cool bridgewire > thermate > aluminium > powdered ETN > cast ETN detonators
>work in mines
>get phone call while on other side of country
>housemate broke up with crazy gf
>crazy gf said he was a drug dealer
>he wasn't
>cops raid & find shed turned lab
>think it's a meth lab
>call in cop chemists
>cop chemists realize it's explosives and evacuate neighbours
>fly back home
>get told to do to federal cops for interview
>spend 4 hours talking to 2 guys that are clearly ASIO about my political and religious beliefs
>lead detective is a bro, recognizes my autism and writes a letter to the judge saying I should walk
>walk with no public record but have private record excluding me from guns

It was a lot of fun and I would love to keep doing it but the risk is just too high because there is no way I walk a second time.

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>>65200311
>But conversely maybe actually killing federal officers would promote a massive negative response.
It did, though, didn't it? They killed four, with bullets. Another 16 feds were wounded by gunfire. The Branch Davidians lost five, but two of those were killed by their own guys after being wounded. Eh, I think you're right though that the overall situation wouldn't have been fundamentally diferent.

Fundamentally, what I think it comes down to is that going up against the U.S. federal government is a losing proposition. The state is just too well organized for that to work out in the favor of any cult or insurrectionary group. I don't think introducing drones will change the overall "situation," although you will probably see drones eventually used in terrorism. But really it will be just the technology that changes, not the underlying structure of violence that we've seen in the U.S. historically. For example, contrast the U.S. with Colombia, which is now seeing "dissident" armed groups using drones. But they've had those armed groups for decades, and the reasons why are more political and also geographic -- there's enough people in rural areas who cooperate with the guerrillas, and the guerrillas can also simply run off into the rainforest to evade detection. But no militia in the U.S. can realistically hold out in U.S. national parks like you can in Colombia. Some tourists will turn you in.

I have a family member who lives in a neighborhood abutting an ICE facility in Texas that got raided by an anarchist group last year. They shot a cop (who survived) and then got hounded down and arrested. The feds put so many guys with rifles around that area afterwards, it was crazy. I saw some of them because I went to visit and we were hanging out, and I dropped him off at his place and we had to drive past their checkpoint. The anarchist group that did that were acting out of their minds, just doomed from multiple angles if you look at it rationally.

>>65206892
>walk with no public record but have private record excluding me from guns
Frankly, it sounds like you should go and apply to have that removed/quashed. I don't think a decision maker would have an easy time defending the decision to consider you an unfit etc person in a court if they were forced to.

>>65207145
I don't have the money to lawyer up but if I did they might drop it, no charges before of since and it's been 10 years.

>>65207150
The first step in stuff like that almost never involves lawyering up, and amounts to writing a letter to whoever is in charge of the list asking them nicely to take you off and giving all the reasons why you're not/never was/are no longer unfit.

>>65207167
Thanks anon, I'll give it a go.

>>65203949
>They were British subjects settling on land that was owned by the British Empire
Yes and if the American ruling class says "fuck you we're not brits anymore", then the brits need to ship in guys from across the ocean, which is a massive pain to do. The British empire was a foreign power, they were not the rulers of the nascent US.

>>65201811
>blue helmets
You know, I never really get the fear and hate of the UN, treating them as if they're the global army of the WEF when they couldn't even stop a genocide or fight against ooga boogas so I ask:
Why the hostilities against the blue boys?

>>65208854
There’s an element of typically American, but it’s spread elsewhere Protestants (7th day Adventist being one of the biggest purveyors of this) that think some kind of one world government, or order is a sign of the end times, the sign of the Antichrist, or some other such thing. So in their revenge fantasy LARP shit, it’s the blue helmets they think they’ll be fighting.

>>65207027
Taliban and Viet Cong show the best method against the Feds is waiting for public support to dip against sustained martial response while hiding out in caves and foxholes. Which used to be unthinkable for insurrections happening within the US's borders, but we see ICE itself having to withdraw after a sufficient duration now, with no followup from the armed forces like what would typically happen when the alphabet agencies fail to contain an issue.

>>65208854
They are armed foreigners who are allowed to some theoretical extent to enforce law upon US soil. That is part of what made the US secede from the Commonwealth. The fact they often use US equipment to do so makes them feel like a twisted skinwalker version of our own armed forces.

>>65208854
needed a new boogeyman after the soviets weren't around anymore

>>65208884
lmao what are you smoking
has even one ICE officer been KIA?

>>65200233
No proof except irgc sand people's lie.
And using a human shield is a warcrime, hitting a human shield is a tragedy but no one really sad about it.

they were 90s era doomsday preppers. all they knew how to do was amass regular guns and beans.

>>65208887
Meds now.
UN troops have no law enforcement authority, doesn't matter where they are.
The US was never part of the Commonwealtrh.
The reasoin why UN troops use American equipment is because i9t gets sold to the participating countries and many of the troops are in fact members of the US armed forces.

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>>65208878
It's only a Protestant thing because Catholics and Orthodox Christians can't be bothered to read the bible for themselves and their priests never read them the uncomfortable and inconvenient bits. Picrel verses 5-28 - verses 1 and 2 just say when, how and to whom the prophesy revealed, 3 and 4 just say there were four beasts and the first one was a lion. Verses 13 and 14 are the most directly relevant. Post 1/2.

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>>65208996
Actually 2/3 because I remembered Revelations 13 as being short enough to be on one page and made a bad assumption.

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>>65208996
>>65208878
>>65209016
3/3

>>65208878
>>65208854
>>65208909
>>65208892
Post your gun with timestamp. /k/ is and always has been a pro civilizational collapse board.

>>65207027
The BDs could have scored ten times the kills and casualties. Feds shit themselves over single digit casualties, their recruitment pool is not in fact bottomless. If it had been a bloodbath for the feds, they would have been limping and crying for decades.

>>65200202
No, because it's a domestic siege operation, and that would've given the feds a real excuse to start firing

>>65210019
>a real excuse to start firing
They fired on them so much there were fucking piles of casings tripping people.

>>65200202
Waco is to Feds as Holocaust is to Jews.

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>>65200206
>>65200209
>>65200277
And technically RC drones have existed since the 50s. I have NO FUCKING CLUE how this thing works but yes it is or was available. More communications and surveillance than anything but fuck me I can't believe this existed.
>U.S. Navy 1950's Drone Airplane Beechcraft Model 1001B. Turbot super charge.
>15 feet long
>12 feet wing span
>126 H.P. engine
>~$5k
https://www.sarcoinc.com/u-s-navy-drone/ (if this page even still exists)

>>65200202
Yes, if they stockpile 10000000 nuclear tsar bomb drones they may have been able to blow up the death star

>>65208854
Belgian Rape Gangs

>>65215559
>Belgian Rape Gangs
>rape
annon, it was prostitution at the worst
the "roasting" of a nigglet over an open flame was true tough, but you to scare the ever living shit out of a thief
we'd also not touch your women Christ I've seen plenty of them an not the one I'd touch with a 10 foot pole

>>65200206
>>65200209
>Um ackshully RC planes existed in the 90s therefore the branch dravidians could have dropped hellfire missiles on the feds
and this is why any attempt at serious discussion here is pointless. niggers being wilfully obtuse for zero clout.

>>65208996
In the context of Christian theology, Daniel is generally considered to be one of the extensive historic accounts of the Israelites, like much of the old testaments. It is not meant to be read as prophecy in any way beyond the way it exists in the historic context during which the work was written.

This is generally well understood by everyone except American protestants.

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>>65209021
The Revelations of John are more of a coded political commentary for early Christians, they're not really to be taken literally either and the historic context of its authorship is crucial here.

The bible is a set of very complex works, many of which are thousands of years old. You cannot read with excessive literalism, especially the Apocalypse. One important motif to recall, which is common in the bible is people writing about the present and the past as if they were writing prophecy. The Apocalypse is one such instance.

>>65200202
I never understood the fanboing for koresh he was a nut just listen to his broadcast tapes. I don't give a fuck abou pedo cultists be they American, Muslim, Hindu or whatever.

You have to think that like BLM, the watts riots, grooming spree shooters etc The grooming of the militias tards over waco post cold war was weak effort kremlin psyop

>>65215629
>the Apocalypse
The apocalypse is individual and inevitable.

>>65215673
You don't know what that word means and that's ok.

>>65215672
I don't think anyone will defend his personal activities or the existence of the cult. What people are angry about is the fact that the ATF intentionally avoided a swift and peaceful arrest for PR reasons and ended up burning women and children alive. There's no defending that.

>>65215629
This is an absolutely inane cope, most especially because you don't provide so much as a skerrick of an alternative interpretation that you might be forced to defend. No of course not, instead whenever any passage in the Bible or any interpretation thereof doesn't suit your world view then It's Just Too Hard To Interpret So Don't Try, By The Way Here's Some Unrelated Church Approved Scripture. Your reading of Daniel is generic and misses the point very badly: Just because most of the book is historical account, it doesn't mean there isn't also revelation in it. Similarly your interpretation of Revelations as, of all things, benign contemporary political commentary without spiritual or, you know, revelatory substance is actually just completely absurd. If that is the orthodox position on it in any denomination then heaven help them.

And by the way, American Protestants don't read from KJV.

>>65201744
>65206557
>Tip toes around because they're afraid of being ventilated

Long live Duncan Lemp

>>65215727
>your interpretation of Revelations as, of all things, benign contemporary political commentary without spiritual or, you know, revelatory substance is actually just completely absurd
Why is that?

>American Protestants don't read from KJV.
That's nice, I am happy for you. Are you claiming to be Catholic?

>>65215763
>Why is that?
It's not how people saw it at the time, and there's no known reason at all to believe it's what he meant by it. You can interpret any words to mean anything you want, but not all interpretations are equally valid.
>Are you claiming to be Catholic?
I say a creed that attests to it every Sunday, but not in the sense you mean. I'm claiming to not be American.

>>65201347
Doesn't matter. Killing feds is ALWAYS based.

>>65202721
>>65202741
Just two retards. If the government cannot nail you on what they want they will accuse you of being a pedo. Even if you end up being exonerated, your life is over.

>>65200202
Exit the compound the moment you hear rumors of a raid going down, and take all your armed men to the nearest urban center where Federal forces are gathering, take up positions and engage in battle.


They still lose, but they take away the initiative and might inflict some actual casualties.

>>65217288
>americans don't read the kjv Bible
>is the most popular and read Bible
Breaking your shins with a 9lb sledgehammer would be delightful.

>>65215629
>It is not meant to be read as prophecy in any way beyond the way it exists in the historic context during which the work was written.
It's literally cited multiple times in the New Testament as predicting Christ's incarnation, you blithering idiot

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>>65200209
RC cars and planes... Why the fuck is everyone forgetting about the simpler and more accessible idea of a fucking gun turret?
Not that it would have let them "beat" the feds who were willing to bring in tanks but it sure would have been way more effective than fucking RC cars and planes...

>>65218561
>gun turret

you mean an emplacement or an actual automated gun turret ala videogames? im pretty sure those only exist at nuclear power plants.

>>65218589
Preferably both but with the caveat that any automatic system would be fairly crude and limited but still a danger.

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>>65200206
>>65200209
Hope this helps
https://www.currykitten.co.uk/the-history-of-fpv/

>>65215672
/k/ is and always has been and always will be a pro civilizational collapse board.

>>65215672
Koresh was a run of the mill hippy retard from a long line of hippy retards, I know this may come as a shock to europoors and libtards but most of us here are not addicted to the dopamine hit you seem to get from attempting to enforce political or social orthodoxy.

>kremlin pysop
Black riots are caused by sub-85 blacks being given tactic permission to chimpout by the state and its media functionaries.
Several spree-shooters have indeed be groomed, but not by Russians. The FBI got caught doing it several times. They just got caught instigating and entrapping those retards who tried to kidnap a governor a few years ago. The FBI and moreso factions within the government want gun control and tighter laws in general so they start shit to try and manufacture a political impetus for there desired legislation, not working but they keep trying.
They were busting militias before WACO it was the fake and gay shit they also pulled at OKC that allowed them to crack down on the Militias, Russia had nothing to do with it and nobody claims they did. The most Russia ever did was given pocket change to impotent podcasters. picrel


>>65217306
Oh and for the bootlicking faggots in this thread, the Davidians were exonerated of all charges. They were shot at first and returned fire, there was zero evidence of child abuse not that there would be after the feds bulldozed rubble into the fire and then bleached the whole area to cover for their fuckups. The Davidians walked away with zero charges. There is a real possibility that even if they had slaughtered those glowniggers they'd still have walked away with zero charges after the congressional investigation and state court hearing.

They then tried to pass "anti-terrorism" legislation aimed at militias who had done nothing and white nationalists who had at most robbed banks so just regular crime rather than terrorism.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/senate-committee/user-clip-biden-on-waco/4901313

>>65218969
They quietly fucked up dozens of apprehensions of men who were refusing to be part of the tax system(ie no pay in or out while living below the poverty line and thus not liable for taxes anyway) throughout the 80s, and by fucked up I mean shot innocent family members instead of shoving the guy they wrongly wanted into a van while he was on the street. Fucked up at Ruby Ridge by opening fire on some dumb kid and his dog instantly. Fucked up big time at Waco. Then at instigated the Oklahoma City Bombing, and yes all the evidence does point to democharges being planted and the entire thing being an OP because the ANFO bomb was weak as shit and every demolitions expert who wrote a report(Airforce included) except the one hired by the FBI claimed that there must of been other explosives planted to create the observed effect. And the bomb killed zero(0) glowniggers who were all out doing unscheduled exercises that day. Oh and everybody around McVeigh said he'd claimed to be a glownigger himself for years by that point as well as going around to gun shows and militia barbaques saying glownigger shit and everybody telling him to fuck off. They fucked that up so bad they had to grease about a dozen randos who were investigating the discrepancies. And they fucked up those assassinations to badly that in the end they had to bury the entire thing and rely on the heebs in the media to cover their incompetent asses.

I'd say they fucked up 9/11 but that was mostly Mossad being sloppy and arrogant. Guest what faggots anybody who doesn't hate the glowniggers and thinks they constantly pull shit is now in the minority not just on this Mongolian basket weaving enthusiast image board, but also in the general public and especially the white non-libtard public. Regardless of the truth of the matter the state sanctioned narratives lost a long time ago.

>>65217288
>It's not how people saw it at the time
Yeah it is.

>there's no known reason at all to believe it's what he meant by it
The most obvious thing that points towards this in the text is that one of the beasts referenced in the text of Revelations is Nero Claudius who, as you prosecuted the Christians quite harshly.
>Revelations 13:18 (I'm using KJV, bcause that's the one you're familiar with, but they say the same thing):
>Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The key thing here is that the number is "the number of a man" and famously that number, 666 (or 616), is the gematria value of Nero Caesar. Suggesting that this passage at least is clearly a coded reference to Nero. As Revelations was near certainly written after Nero died, we can infer based on this that other parts of Revelations also reference historic or contemporary events.
I am not a scholar of early Christian history, but at least this particular instance is very clear and I don't think you can argue with it. If I knew more, I could probably find more.

>I'm claiming to not be American.
But the way you read the bible is similar to the way American protestants the bible, which is why I made the accusation in the first place.

>>65217824
Does that mean it's not political commentary?
Just because someone cites it as prophecy doesn't mean it was written with the express intent of prophecy. Again, this is a trick pulled often in the Bible, write about the past as if it was a prediction.

>>65219011
If the apostles themselves are treating it as a prophesying Christ's incarnation, then that establishes a tradition of treating it as a canonical prophetic book. Several church fathers such as Irenaeus and Jerome talk about it in a prophetic sense. It's treated as a prophetic book by just about every Christian theologian since antiquity, and even today Catholic commentaries discuss it in a prophetic light. Assuming you are a papist, acting as if this treatment of Daniel is a purely American Protestant phenomenon is retarded, and you are retarded for doing it.

>>65219190
>papist
lol
lmao
a Pr*testant

>>65219190
>acting as if this treatment of Daniel is a purely American Protestant phenomenon is retarded, and you are retarded for doing it.
Knowing the Papal backlog, he's probably anathema and excommunicated for it.

>>65215725
>the ATF intentionally avoided a swift and peaceful arrest for PR reasons and ended up burning women and children alive
Aren't there tapes of the BDs stocking the compound with flammables before, and then tapes of them starting the fire?
It is standard behavior for minnenialist cults.