Bet?

>>65205215
Bet.

>>65205212
>2 hellfires just for funsies.
Couldn't just throw another APKWS pod on it?

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>>65205285
M-SHORAD predates APKWS, those are Stinger missiles
Picrel is its modern counterpart

>>65205285
Pretty sure the newest version is just 8 Stingers.

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>>65205285
>>65205289
But also, yes, it's modular.
It can also fit rails to launch AIM-9s

>>65205285
The 2 Hellfires got fucked by vibrations so were pretty useless. They got removed in 2025 and replaced with another 4 pod of Stingers. Like >>65205307 said.

>>65205315
Wait how do they function on helicopters than?

>>65205334
>Mounted externally on the Stryker chassis, the Hellfires were subjected to constant vibration, environmental exposure, and rough terrain, which led to wear and tear on the missiles and raised safety concerns
Guess OSHA got involved.

>>65205334
By getting a maintenance check after every mission. The vibrations issues on the Stryker were from multiple-day deployments and harsh roadmarches plus terrain crossing.

>>65205289
>>65205315
Needs APKWS and Stinger. Stinger is arguably overkill for aome threats.

This shitbox won't be able to do anything against modern FPV drones

>>65205377
Because?

>>65205212
Shhh let the stupid Chinese toy drone niggers keep their delusions

>>65205381
Have you seen the modern footage of how drones are used?
They are too small to be targeted with a missile, which is one of the main reasons why russian Pantsirs fail in shooting down drones btw.
The small size also fucks up any change of easily identifying them visually. Thermals don't help either, unlike with Shahed type drones.
They are too agile to easily shoot them down with an auto-cannon with manual targeting. Automated targeting can theoretically solve the issue but once again it comes down to the fire control system, ammo, radars and everything like that. Some AA systems can't even track the cannon fast enough to deal with how agile FPVs are IRL (vs staged demonstrations).

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>>65205371
the stryker lrds in that pic has an APKWS pod
>>65205396
>They are too small to be targeted with a missile
that's what the gun is for

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other stryker based SHORAD/C-UAS platforms are available

>>65205406
That's the point, the demo video doesn't show real world drone flying.

>>65205411
I'm fairly confident that a radar cued turret could get an airburst 30mm round close enough to an FPV to knock it out of the sky without much difficulty. It doesn't have to be a direct hit, or even a near miss. It's a lot of boom for such a small target.

>>65205417
You're seriously underestimating just how agile and fast those little bitches are. To the point that if would be able to do laps around the AA system and the gun won't be able to catch up to the target.

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>>65205423
Which is why you do everything in your power to shoot it before it can get that close.
At that point you're probably relying on your APS and armor

>>65205423
So we put a separate CROWS with a 240 on top of the CROWS with the Bushmaster.
Rotational speed just doubled.

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>>65205431

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>>65205423
>the gun won't be able to catch up to the target
I think you're also vastly underestimating how fast you can move a remote turret. A Phalanx weighs a hell of a lot more than an M230

>>65205417
>Switch on radar
>Now everyone knows where you are with a valuable anti-drone asset
>500 drones co-ordinate to overwhelm your defense within 20 minutes
You are seriously underestimating how many fucking drones are going to be on a peer battlefield in 5 years. Ukraine and Russia are two clapped out retards fumbling at each other and they are chucking thousands of drones of all types at each other daily. Maybe tens of thousands.
Call me a dronefag if you like.

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>>65205612
That's why you put the datalinked turrets on literally everything from pickups to MBTs
Radar also isn't the only acquisition method they have

>>65205212
The US should seriously look into purchasing at least 700 of those to build some surplus in case it needs to donate some to allied nations.

This kind of casual arrogance usually leads to very humiliating hubris.

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send it to the israelis so we can see them shoot themself with it.

>>65205285
They actually replaced the Hellfires for more Stingers because troops were having difficulty lugging the Hellfire missiles to the top of the vehicle.

>>65205212
The Stryker is the coolest type of ever and I've been in love with it ever since MW2's mission 'Exodus.'

>>65205663
the pot calls the kettle nigger.

>>65205690
May we see how it performs in an actual drone-heavy environment? Isn't it a trend to send stuff for field testing in Ukraine, both NATO and chink gear?

>>65205212
I am reminded of footage of wheeled vehicles such as the stryker struggling to move across a ditch while a tank treaded vehicle traveled across it without issue.

>>65205612
>500 drones
You have no idea how drones work, retard. There's this thing called 'bandwidth congestion'. You can have 6-8 in an area, not 500. Show me a single attack in Ukraine, by either side, where 500 drones attack a single target at once. It should be so easy to find since it's so easy to do, right? I mean you just said it, right?

>>65205334
By the helicopters not being Russian to the point of having withdrawal shakes.

>>65205212
>drones your rape

>>65205285
APKWS is such a cringe name, do they hire indians to come up with acronyms now?

>>65205212
This shit looks like a convoluted mess. What's the logistical trail for this thing with all these different types of ammo?

>>65205733
Cheap Russian and Ukrainian drones using manually piloted FPVs with commercial hardware have that problem.

American (and German and Chinese and other) high end drones instead put all the drones as computers on a network over manet radio and can run hundreds under the oversight of a single human commander. We know the commercial cap is about 512 with companies like Silvus or Doodle.

>>65206118
It's from 2010-2012 so it was invented before the Indian invasion took off.

>>65206173
Literally not a problem for the US.

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>>65205733
NTA but why not? They use heaps of them in those aerial lighting displays, so just because Russia and Ukraine haven't yet doesn't mean no one will.

>>65206232
Those aerial displays are typically preprogrammed, not streaming data. They have nothing to do with military use.

>>65205212
I truly don't believe there is a chance in hell these things would survive in a Ukraine war like condition. You have at most 4-8 missiles on standby, chain gun, and EW, ok.
Now defend against 20 FPV's coming at you all at once, and now they have AI terminal tracking.

The burnt out heaps of these things will be lining the roads and defense megacorp suits will be scratching their heads going "well uhh in testing it shot down the drones just fine!"

>>65205285
I’m glad that they tried putting the hellfires there, because that thing with hellfires tends to be pretty overpowered in the like three RTS games that include it, just because it can cheekily pop a tank if it has to. In real life that’s definitely not nearly as necessary, and it didn’t seem to work very well.

>>65205334
1) hellfires stay mounted to a helicopter for a couple of hours of flight maximum, as opposed to being trucked through the desert for weeks or months at a time
2) helicopters are ideally not being constantly blasted by dust and “heavy” debris (rocks)
3) helicopters remain a much smoother ride than an IFV, as evidenced by rich people flying around in helicopters and not tending to drive around in IFVs (someone post that one soviet luxury BMP)

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>>65205396
>>65205411
>>65205423
Good thing even old-ass Bradleys have laser track. FPV pilots are limited by camera FOV and battery life, they can't afford constant evasive maneuvers nor can they see and elude every target at once. Be it star forts, 5"/38 VT or the mechanized platoon seen here, mutually overlapping fields of fire make an assault far harder than whiteboxed 1v1 scenadios indicate.

It seems that the ability to deflection shooting will not be enough to intercept drones that scurry around like flies.

>>65205733
OK this is really silly. For one thing, a huge percentage of quality, dangerous drones America would reasonably encounter are going to be fiber optic, not on any sort of bandwidth. The US was actually attacked by hundreds upon hundreds of small drones across their recent conflicts, and had almost no issue with them because they were wireless in the US is really good at jamming things. Post Ukraine though, everyone now knows that fiber optic is the way to go as long as you can afford and support it, so those are going to be the ones presenting the greatest threat. Secondly, even if this wasn’t the case, it takes like a trillion million drones to completely white out a locations bandwidth. The real issue with this sort of extreme saturation attack is that who on earth is going to be sending that many drones at a stryker or Bradley? Certainly no insurgents. Certainly not Iran. Maybe if we land invade China this could be some sort of a problem, but even then that seems extremely wasteful. Russia wants to win Ukraine about as badly as anybody could want to win anything and we’re not seeing Ukrainian vehicles get swarmed by more than like two drones at the same time

Ignorant question: are there any blindspots in the lower periphery, and would a drone be able to fly close to the ground to approach one of these? I've seen quadcopters get pretty low when chasing mobiks, but I wouldn't know if the ordinance those FPVs carry would be enough to threaten something like this.

>>65205212

Gun: 200 rpm, 30 mm chaingun that fires 30x113 at 800 m/s. No water cooling. So overall, very poor burst and very poor fire endurance.

Missiles: stinger (manportable very short range ground to air) and hellfire (1980s laser marker guided missile).

Armor: nonexistant.

Putting manpads on a vehicle is almost as dumb as putting a mortar on a vehicle. That IR guided iranian missile they fire from tiny toy trucks is several times larger than a stinger and has double the ceiling.


This entire vehicle is a fine testament to the lack of engineering ability in America.

>>65205212
Gee, why didn't Ukraine or Russia just think to use the autocannons on the metric fuckton of IFVs both sides have to invalidate drones? How silly of them.

>>65205212
There are air, land, sea surface, under water and soon underground drones. Anything that is not a drone, is not a military vehicle. It is a target.

>>65205411
>That's the point, the demo video doesn't show real world drone flying.

Pointless to explain to those that do not understand. I've seen a similar idiot video of "drone defeating" on swedish government TV. It was a tridon naval turret firing at a hovering FPV drone. Its desinformation for the rubes along the lines of "look, we have anti drone capabilities" so FPV drones wont be a problem for us like they are for the ukrainan monkeys! Sweden bought about 70 air cooled tridon turrets on pallets for about 900 million dollars. Complete waste of money. We also bought 40 new tanks for 2.2 billion dollars. An even worse waste of money.

This grift makes more sense if you realize that these weapons are only for show, they are never meant to be used, and the people who are supposed to be impressed by them are equally clueless civilians, both foreign and domestic. They just have to look cool and imposing. The problems start when the civilians in your government actually believe their own lies and decide to go to war somwhere. Then the corpses and wrecks start to pile up as these turn out to be just stage props sold at a massive mark up cost.

>>65205733
>You have no idea how drones work, retard. There's this thing called 'bandwidth congestion'. You can have 6-8 in an area, not 500

So these chingchong videos of several hundred drones doing coordinated air manuevers as a kind of drone fireworks are just fake computer animations? You may not realize it but the ukie-russian drone war is done with civilian toy gear. Low end civilian toy gear. They use simple shit antennas similar to those on your wi fi router .

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>sends another drone

>>65206850
>So these chingchong videos of several hundred drones doing coordinated air manuevers as a kind of drone fireworks are just fake computer animations?

are you retarded? these are pre-programmed flights. and even if they aren't, having your drones do set maneuvers to awe bystanders a lot different than having them kill people.for the record, I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or not, but you must have been dropped on the head to think what you said was useful at all.

>>65205612
>>65205411

Perfect illustration of how deluded dronefags are lmao
>somehow the enemy has 500 drones
>all of them charged and ready to go
>all of them close enough to hit the stryker
>just waiting there
>not being used for anything else
>also the stryker is alone
>also theyre super fast and you can't hit them
>also they have an anti-everything shield so you cant destroy them WAAAAHHHH

>>65206889
>are you retarded? these are pre-programmed flights.

The drones in these displays are acting as voxels (3d pixels) controlled by a central computer. Do you think a hundred chinks manually program waypoints into these drones? Its just one chink at a computer. These drones use packet switched data networks, the single channel low end toy trones that the ukies and russians use are not designed to be used in a signal congested area. They also use very low end civilian antennas that beam everywhere.

Look, how do you think your cell phone works? In a city there are thousands of cell phones per tower antenna sector. How do all these cell phones manage to provide datalinks at the same time? How fucking daft are you when you dont even know how your phone works?


>for the record, I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or not, but you must have been dropped on the head to think what you said was useful at all.

I like your attitude. That is why am wholesale for NATO intervention on the ground in Iran or Ukraine. We have too many stupid males with small brains, big egos and big mouths stealing air and making noises irritating better people than them. I want to have the worst of them culled. A ground invasion of Iran is just what we need. Uuuuh-raaaah!

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Well, we're waiting. Wasn't Israel supposed to have stuff that made drones obsolete like a decade ago?

>>65206965
>somehow the enemy has 500 drones
You have no idea about the realities of the battlefield. Just like individual people do have 40+ mags with them. People do have 500 drones as a units operating in an area.

>all of them charged and ready to go
Yes, that's how people prepare. Nobody charges a drone under fire in a trench.

>all of them close enough to hit the stryker
"Close enough" is an oxymoron for FPV drones. They can be 10 miles away and will easily cross the distance in no time at all because of their speed. You do realize they easily go over 100 mph?

>just waiting there
>not being used for anything else
Yes, some of them are even already laying on the battlefield propped up and ready to go. The so called "ambush drones".

>also the stryker is alone
If it's "not alone", then it just means there are more targets for drones to hit.

>also theyre super fast and you can't hit them
Yes, there's a reason why it's so hard to solve the issue.

>also they have an anti-everything shield so you cant destroy them WAAAAHHHH
Most of the EW is just bullshit jamming, which is easily solved by autonomous targeting (already a thing if a bit less prominent) and fiber optic based drones.

>>65206889
>I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or not
It's technically "true" in a very specific and narrow type of shit.
Historically, FPV drones have used analogue video streams for piloting because analogue video could be streamed with the smallest delay/latency possible, since there would be no processing overhead and such. You got shitty video quality, but it made things easily to maneuver at high speed. Because the alternative was to digitize the video, encode it (big yikes), send it in digital form, decode it (big yikes again) and then finally display it for the pilot. And well, analogue video takes up a ton of frequency bandwidth, so it's hard to have more than a handful of streams active at the same moment. I.e. this is only or the video stream, not for drone control or anything else. And this doesn't mean it's an unsolvable issue.
For once, digital streams are no longer that big of an issue like they were before. How do you think long-range drones operate? They do digital streams instead. Fiber optic drones also do digital and don't give a shit. But even more so there are ways to drop the video quality and squeeze in more streams into the available bandwidth. There are also autonomous flights paths and shit, where you launch a drone and it first has to reach the battlefield, which is does by itself, and only then you do a "hot seat" swap to actually pilot it on the final approach, then you switch to another, thus the analogue bandwidth is used only during the "final hunt" part.

>a lot different than having them kill people
Not really. People already do automatic target detection and acquisition, automatic guidance (both overall and in cases the signal is lost during manual control), auto-piloting and mission planning, even obstacle avoidance and maneuvering is being coded in right now. Just because they don't share all the details publicly doesn't mean the state of the drone things are the same as they were in March of 2022.

>>65205212
wunderwaffe n. 457.
will end up like the other 456 ofc.

>>65205396
> Because Russian can't do somethings..
That means nothing.

>>65205643
He's russian, that's far beyond unknown technology level to them.

>>65205431
What is the difference between being identified and acquired?

>>65207151
Acquired here means aimed at. That onion is missing quite a few rings as well, for eg missing seen before identified as something targetable, missing targetted between identified and acquired etc.

>>65206349
Why did they mount Hellfires and not Javelins? There's already a Stryker ATGMV we don't need to outrange it, it just needed a little more Anti-ground and AT punch

>>65206786
Absolutely, if they aren't jammed by the thing and there are other decoy drones higher up, it can come in low and fast and strike.
IMO US vehicles need to abandon CROW'S and MBT buttoned up auto HMG setups for a mini HMG and Laser CIWS system in a CROWS profile - can.be manually slaved for ground engagements, but is otherwise left in AUTO mode and attempts to intercept drones and incoming munitions

>>65206799
These are newer strikers with V-shaped hulls and the late GWOT applique armor package. The Slat armor is still an option for these.
It's not great but it's not BTR or BMP bad

>>65205423
>To the point that if would be able to do laps around the AA system and the gun won't be able to catch up to the target.
Drones are nowhere near fast enough to do that. Radar AAA systems were designed with the rates of apparent motion of low level jets and helicopters in mind. Even an old ass Shilka has a horizontal traverse rate of 70 degrees per second - even an extremelty fast attack drone can only offset faster than that inside about 70 meters, and frankly that's a stretch.

>>65206799
We've been putting Stingers on vehicles for a long time (Avenger, Linebacker, PIVADS) and your right, it is fucking retarded. We entirely gave up on ground launched Sidewinder (Chapparal) and blew off the AMRAAM HMMWV for NASAM's which was *barely* fielded

>>65207356
My brown friend, take the distance into account. Those helicopters were targeted from a big distance, so their speed was easy to overcome. Drones are not only more agile, but small AF, so they'll be able to close the distance without being targeted.

>>65207370
My extremely brown, inbred and ignorant friend, FPV drones are fucking slow compared to aircraft. An F105 during the Vietnam War had a higher apparent speed to a NVA radar AAA crossing at 1km than an FPV drone does in 2026 at 100 meters.

>>65207392
cool. how fast can it do a 90 degree turn?

>>65207392
Your F105 couldn't turn on a dime or rapidly change altitude. You don't have any idea of how agile and fast those drones are, retard.

>>65207402
>>65207400
Neither of these have anything at all to do with the claim I responded to at >>65205423 that a drone can just outpace the traverse rate of AAA. As it happens, those turns on a dime are not a relevant way to measure how well a target can jink fire - the relevant measure you're groping for is just plain old g loading. You need to be outside the CEP+lethal radius of the shell in the time it will take to get to you, and your g loading is the measure of your ability to change your motion vector. Drones cannot load more g's, either instantly or sustained, than jets, and you propose that they should operate orders of magnitude closer to radar AAA than the jets those AAAs were designed to defeat did, so the rounds will get there orders of magnitude faster.

Radar cued guns can absolutely kill drones, even small ones. There just aren't enough cheap and decent ones in service anywhere that were designed with anything like drones in mine.

>>65207429
>Radar cued guns
first you need to capture the drone on radar, retard

>>65205345
Im not a russian, OSHA when it comes to missiles is OK with me

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War... has changed, it's no longer about human grit and brilliant maneuvers, it's now about the best algorithm and mass production of cheap efficient robots, it's about presenting the enemy with an ever more complex logical puzzle and whoever solves it faster wins.

>>65205212
Yes?, show us footage.

>>65205411
I would be really difficult for the camera to get a clean shot of the round airbursting (the entire point of the demo video) if they did

>>65206968
>Do you think a hundred chinks manually program waypoints into these drones?
no. they do the animation on a computer first and then have the computer program the drones with the waypoints
duh

>>65207434
rotor drones are far more visible on radar than other objects of their size thanks to the rotors
Fixed wing drones give the same radar returns as any other object of their size I.E so easy for a radar to detect that they (non drone drone sized objects like birds) have to be actively filtered out to avoid confusing operators

>>65206118
What would you call them? Smart Hydras?

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The best defensive position is no longer MG dugouts with interlocking fields of fire, it's a hive of drones buried in the ground.

>>65206984
>Just like individual people do have 40+ mags with them.
Show me one. Specifically on their person.

>People do have 500 drones as a units operating in an area.
500 drones run into radio interference issues. Drones end up picking up eachother's control signals and getting confused. You run out of channels for all of then,

>Yes, there's a reason why it's so hard to solve the issue.
Lots of videos of drones being shot down, especially by shotguns.

>Most of the EW is just bullshit jamming,
Drones have to be modded to be hacking immune and jamming resistant. Usually, jamming resistance is with frequency hoping. This is less effective the more drones are in an area.

>which is easily solved by autonomous targeting (already a thing if a bit less prominent)
Only good for terminal guidance.

>and fiber optic based drones.
Fiber-optic lines are vulnerable to being cut, either by blast waves or continuous rod warheads.

>>65206877
>>65206877
>>65206877
>>65206877

>>65207666
Look at this faggot bitch midwit trying to defend his retarded position.
>No you can't use drones because.... there's too many bandwiths! The drone bandwidth is not a big truck it's a series of toobs
>No you can't solve that with high end manet radio because... you just can't ok!
>No my ELITE supersoldiers will be able to shoot down hundreds of drones a minute with shotguns because they train from child at skeet shooting. Also I'm going to pretend there aren't far more videos of soldier firing at drones, missing and being immediately BTFO. That doesn't exist in my personal reality OK?!
>Fiber optics will be cut immediately by explosions 5 kms away, also my aforementioned elite shotgunners will carry crabs in their pockets and thrown them into the air, HAH SNIBBET SNABBITY DRONEFAGS! I WIN AGAIN! AL WAYS WIN EVERY ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET HAHAHA!
Just take the L you tiresome cuntwaffle retard faggot bitch dicksuck, Jesus Christ. Your dad's never coming back, no matter how much you argue online. Also he left because of you.

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>>65205698
>Isn't it a trend to send stuff for field testing in Ukraine
sure is

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>>65206232
>>65206850
What about those videos of these drone shows getting jammed and the drones just dropping out of the sky?

>>65205423
>>65207429
Watching thirdies beg AI to fill their posts with technical jargon so they can pretend temu drones will stop the US is the only reason I still come to this fed-moderated shithole.

>>65207772
Drones already use solutions to have a lock on target before hitting it where there's no remote control. Built by ukranians so its super cheap, is massproduced, already being used it the war. It rapes old military tech not because of sophistication but because its super cheap - no way you would shut down all of the drones that equal something as low as 1/1000 of the price of your armored vehicle.

>>65207784
Well its actually more pathetic than that. In theory these drones with White pilots that are highly motivated do good work, see NATO exercises where they invited Ukrainian drone units to show off their skills. These exercises are why the US is starting to take drones seriously. Now, because there's a skill requirement this means that browns are going to naturally suck and not be able to be as stealthy or agile, meaning their drones will get swatted out of the sky by the dozens.

>>65207784
>pretend temu drones will stop the US
They did stop US from winning against Iran though...

>>65207810
Yeah but if the US just decided to do Total Iranian Death tomorrow and bomb out the whole country with B2s they wouldn't be able to do anything.

>>65207817
No balls

>>65207831
Unfortunately the US wants to play World Police not World Empire.

>>65207908
>Unfortunately the US wants to play World Retard
sad fix

>>65207817
two more weeks yank
the donald will raise the eyebrow and gloves are coming off

>>65208022
Lol no one was expecting the US to just flatten the whole country like they don't give a fuck about the civilians. However if it was a life or death situation things could change, for example if the US has to start doing some national interest stuff with petrochemicals in the next few months.

>>65208022
kek
reading MIGA cope posts reminds me of ziggers back in 2022
deja vu

>>65207767

That would be the 50 mm cannon that uses a necked out 35x228. It should have a muzzle velocity of about 750 m/s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM913_chain_gun

In other words, your picture is just pure marketing bullshit for the clueless rubes. 5x the range by going to 50mm?

>>65208029
Cardboard status?

>>65207772
>What about those videos of these drone shows getting jammed and the drones just dropping out of the sky?

Thats not jamming, they are under control and sent to land. The takeoff and landing videos of these firework replacement drones are pretty impressive in themselves as the drones take off and land in huge numbers without colliding.

>>65208055
Russia never was in a position to just strategically bomb Ukraine into submission without losing things they can't replace or they already would have. The US in comparison did the decapitation strike with minimal losses, its been the subsequent stalemate where things have broken down because clearly something went wrong. Russians were delusional for fucking years when most in the US saw it wasn't going anywhere in the first month.

>>65206842
nothing wrong with using those naval turrets against larger drones and/or low flying aircraft

>>65208127
Okay sure I've heard this a bazillion times from buttmad shills. Go cry about your cardboard.

>>65207699
>having a melty this cheesy
NTA but lamo.

>>65208156
Yeah okay your worship a canonical pedophile who raped girls younger than Epstein victims why are you crying?

>>65208060
>its been the subsequent stalemate where things have broken down because clearly something went wrong
The same issue that defined the entire GWOT and beyond, the West has no answer for regimes/factions/groups actually willing to expend their entire population to maintain power

>>65208068
>nothing wrong with using those naval turrets against larger drones and/or low flying aircraft

They are only useful as point defense against shaheed propeller drones that arrive in small numbers. They should be able to handle cruise missiles too if they pass above the turret. Against FPV drones as shown in the TV they would be utterly useless.

>>65208202
Shasneeds (and similar flying mopeds) are a considerable problem. They're cheap and carry a big payload. So having a weapon which can knock them out cheaply is very good.
For anti-FPV defense, you need something like an ACS Bullfrog or GR Pitbull turret with a .50 cal, mounted on pretty much everything. Sort of like the .50 cal mounted on everything during WW2.

>>65208254
I have an idea, call it project Kestrel. Take one of those zippy super fast drones that looks like a rocket meets a quad motor and put an anti air payload on it. When shasneeds are nearby human operators release them which then intercept the shasneeds using rudimentary target identification protocols that guide them onto any flying dorito in the sky. If the drones could achieve a 90-100 mph terminal burst of speed they could potentially intersect with the flight path of a low flying sneed in time.

>>65208156
>everyone i dont like is a pedophile
Sure buddy.

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>>65208180
>expend their own population to maintain power
The US had a strategy just for this!

>>65207699
>No my ELITE supersoldiers will be able to shoot down hundreds of drones a minute with shotguns because they train from child at skeet shooting.
https://youtube.com/shorts/fRkjjpgnSL4?si=OR1OyrHfiDmf3Z4s

>>65208267
I think Baykar is working on using their MALE drones as motherships carrying interceptor drones, but dont quote me on this

>>65208464
Now do that 500 times a minute

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>>65207554
I have a solution to this Ukraine thing

>>65208464
Yeah, that's one drone.

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>>65205212
Metal boxes?

>>65208180
>expend their entire population to maintain power
compete idiot trap

>>65208037
>landing by tumbling out of formation and dropping from the sky
I guess that's one way to do it. Very innovative

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>>65208539
Alright

>>65209508
It's also one soldier.

>>65205212
>>65205289
>>65205308
Man, these vehicles look so cool, like ice cold cool! Even cooler than tanks! Would it be possible to mount a big anti-tank cannon on one of these? I think it would look kino

>>65210949
Impossible. It simply cannot be done.

>>65208539
In what world do you live in where anyone is being assaulted by 8 FPVs every second, because it sure as hell ain't this one chief

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>>65210949
That is a great idea, I would infact suggest that it should be armed with a 105mm gun so that we can use the huge stockpile of 105mm guns and the ammo for it. We should also be modern and use a slim low profile turret with an autoloader to cut down the crew size to commander and gunner for the turret module crew.

Since it is not a tank we should call it the mobile gun system or something.

Only on /k/ are drones some untargetable magic weapon that travel at the speed of light and defy gravity

>>65211150
I mean, drones aren't black magic or some shit, but I agree with what I once heard from Andrew Perpetua himself: All these "anti-drone" solutions always demonstrate ideal cenarios in their demos. A lone drone coming slowly from up high and then it gets destroyed, if that's all your "solution" is capable of, then it's not enough for the modern battlefield.
Show me stuff that's is capable of destroying drones coming from very low altitudes, I mean centimeters from the ground, at very high speeds, in multiple numbers from multiple directions. Show me that and then we'll talk

>>65211164
Shotgun.

>>65211168
Unless all the guys on the ground are equipped with shotguns, the shotgunner will eventually be overwhelmed, and drones will pass through. I recall, again from Andrew Perpetua, a story of a russian soldier he saw on one of these drone videos, guy was legit a good shooter, shot one drone down, two drones down,..., but eventually he got overwhelmed and ended up a pool of bloody ground beef on the ground

>>65211164
Given what we know these kinds of automated turrets are capable of in terms of traverse speeds and angles, I see no reason to believe they would struggle with tracking an FPV as long as it can get a good radar/IR/optical lock on it. Hell, these days you could probably slave the gun to an acoustic sensor array, I bet it'd work pretty well for the edge cases when the other methods come up a little short.
Also 30mm airburst has a pretty wide area of effect, especially on something as fragile as an FPV, so its not like you need a direct hit, just need to get the round in the general vicinity.

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>>65210074
>idiot trap

>>65208060
>Russia could take the gloves off and defeat Ukraine
>Better surrender hohols!
>They will any day now!
>Two weeks maybe!

>>65207666
>Show me one. Specifically on their person.
Literally any ukie soldier who isn't just sitting in a trench? About 15-20 on person directly and 20+ in the bag on top of it.

>>65211168
Literally no. Most soldiers can't visually identify the target until it's too late. Most soldiers can't shoot down a maneuverable target.

>>65205212
I unironically want to see the the new ISV turned into a (literally) hollowed out neo-CROWS platform.
>why neo crow?
Because I don’t like the current crow form factor options.

>>65207554
That’s unironically for the cucks maintaining the grid to worry about. War is still about doing a little dance and chucking garbage at each other.

>>65212770
Identifying will always be the struggle for anything not specifically designated to watch that one approach angle.
Hitting could by improved greatly with training and a few slides. Familiarization is key.

>>65212770
>Literally no. Most soldiers can't visually identify the target until it's too late. Most soldiers can't shoot down a maneuverable target.

Yeah very few people on this board have encountered drones in the wild. They are very hard to spot, even if you hear them. You just hear the whine. And there are drones with flexible propellers now that are much more silent. No, I was not at the front in Ukraine, I was in a natural preserve in Europe. Its actually easier to spot drones in Ukraine because they have a lot of wide open spaces, if the drones are behind tree canopy they are effectively invisible.

The thing with fiber optic drones is that they are not affected by any kind of radio shadow or radio horizon, so the pilot can fly at hip level trough woods and when he pops out to attack your stronk aa truck he comes not from the sky but from the shrubbery 25 feet to your left.

America is far ahead of rest of NATO when it comes to anti drone protection.... and it has pretty much nothing that is a game changer. Just mechanical cope. Euros are much worse. Here it is just bluster and shameless grift.

>>65207352
>These are newer strikers with V-shaped hulls and the late GWOT applique armor package. The Slat armor is still an option for these.
>It's not great but it's not BTR or BMP bad

The BMP-1 has such bad armor that during testing, when a claymore charge with 0.5 kg of HE was placed on its back and detonated under the hull to simulate what happens if it is used to overrun a NATO position and disembark the troops inside the perimenter, it ripped a manhole sized hole in the bottom. You cant really compare yourself to the absolute bottom of the bottom and then claim that it is an achievement to be better.

The slat armor is a hack that only works against thirdie RPG-7s. The idea is to gamble on the nose of the RPG grenade to pass between the bars and then the armor bends or crushes front of the RPG, so that when the nose fuze triggers, the tiny EFP that it fires backwards into the shaped charge to ignite it simply misses. If the fuze hits a slat bar or if it is any other type of weapon such as an actual AT missile with a different fuze system the slat armor will only provide some extra standoff distance which will have a marginal effect diminishing the larger the charge is.

As for the arnament, this thing is pathetic. The 30 mm medium velocity chaingun is originally an aircraft gun, and it fires at a whopping 200 rounds per minute, comparable to a Bofors 57 mm which fires a shell 8 times heavier. It is also uncooled and as far as I know also lacks spare quick change barrels onboard so sustained engagements are out of the question. The missiles are so light that they are literally man portable, meaning range and ceiling are absolutely minimum. This thing should at minimum have missiles in the 100-150 kg range.

This is another stage prop that looks like a war vehicle, like the FF(x) which is a civilian ship outfitted with some low end weapons and sold at a premium price. A grift. A scam.

>80% of the thread is just shitjeetpt talking to self extrapolate away into nonsense over and over.
>18% third world melties
>2% /k/

Look it's simple, missiles for distant drones.
20mm or 30mm Cannons for close in drones.
240B and Shotguns for close drones.
"Well uh achshually drones are super fast invisible deathrays" is just commie cope, with layered defense drones get shredded.

Pretty sure counter UAV strykers are a last resort, like a self propelled CIWS or something. If it ever has to be used, it better be part of several layers of drone defence because a few strykers no matter how good they are won't cut it.

>>65213398
I just played around with a Tiny Whoop with my friend and he was trying to get photography of my drone, needless to say the agility and speed of it spooked him. We need some kind of UGV with a 249 on it that is drone focused.

>>65213672
cont. and by layers of defence i mean all the way to actively droning enemy drone sites, maybe even some really hush hush on demand extreme low orbit satellites/stealth drones that have the capability to pick up fiber optic cables or drone signals or whatever, that are slaved to drones with fully autonomous targeting capability, that negate the need for any human input and literally use AI and panopticon like surveillance to recognise things like- oh that civilian truck keeps on delivering drone parts to that base and its all the way behind rear lines with no protection- lets follow the driver back to his house, drone him, drone his boss, drone the truck, drone where the truck goes to pick up parts, drone where the truck stays over night etc. total domination and destruction of not just the immediate battle space but every single conceivable step before the enemy drone reaches a counter uav striker

>>65213685
>We need some kind of UGV with a 249 on it that is drone focused.
We need datalinked turrets on every single vehicle.

>>65213803
A universal turret that can go on UGVs and IFVs/tanks loaded with drone recognition software, IFF capabilities and a master/slave override interface.

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>>65213816
If only someone were working on such a thing

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>>65213816
>>65213954
oh well
a boy can dream

>>65206799
>almost as dumb as putting a mortar on a vehicle.
Stopped reading there.

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>>65213955

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>>65213964

XM1223 wen?

>>65213964
Biblically accurate T-600

>>65214025
T1*

>>65213961
>>almost as dumb as putting a mortar on a vehicle.
>Stopped reading there.


Thats just your innate amerimutt stupidity. A mortar is a low tech low performance low cost weapon. It does not make sense to place a low tech low performance low cost weapon on an expensive vehicle. What you want is a proper weapon with a recoil mechanism and breech loading.

You also do not want to place 10 kg manpad surface to air missiles on a vehicle because they have very low performance due to the requirement of being light enough to be carried on someones back. You have a vehicle, you can carry far larger missiles with much better performance.

>>65205212
Okay, but what about my butt?

>>65205406
Yeah, but it should have both. And 4 aPKWS seems light.
>>65205308
This configuration but 4 Stingers and maybe 8 APKWS would seem to be ideal.

>>65205396
>russian Pantsirs
>>65207133
A lot of people don't want to accept that Russian development has been sabotaged by KGB Mafiya people and braindrain since the late 80s. And some people are running on autopilot from the the 2000s of bigging up the Russians so that they look like something to take seriously.

>>65205212
More like
>Becomes a UGV

>>65214183
>A mortar is a low tech low performance low cost weapon.
NTA you literally don't even have a clue what the definition of a mortar is. Stop posting right now and kill yourself.

>>65218330
>NTA you literally don't even have a clue what the definition of a mortar is. Stop posting right now and kill yourself.

Its just a smoothbore tube with a pin on the bottom, a bipod and a baseplate. It cant get any simpler than that.

>>65214183
>>65218420
>Mobility and ability to carry ammo and supplies and protection from shrapnel and small arms is LE BAD!
You stupid, stupid, stupid motherfucker.

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>>65219311
Uh-huh.

>>65219341
>poos are dumb
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal?

>>65219341
You camnot provide three reasons why mounting a mortar to a vehicle is dumb and I defy you to prove me wrong.

>>65219343
>imagine thinking mortars are low performance
In his mind, probably yes. Browns use [x weapon] badly therefore everything which isn't a FPV is worthless. Which then causes a backlash from paler midwits saying drones haven't changed the battlefield.