>>65206018
Seems like a lot of variables there but the basic math checks out considering how long BCT and AIT are.

Not 60 days, but;

https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR124.html

>>65206018
Reserves are complicated. They usually pool guys that have skills outside the military that can translate surprisingly well into certain situations. I’ve met motorpool mechanics that were mouth breathing retards and reservists that were mechanics by trade that could fix anything. Superimpose that onto a standard infantry company and you are going to have guys that have no clue what they’re doing but by sheer requirement of actually having to survive on their own without the government teat are likely going to be above average in trainability compared to active units that struggle to get rid of shitbags. So basically it’s going to depend on the job and what reserve unit we’re talking about. A bunch of weekend warriors that are largely cops and construction workers during the week can probably catch up real quick to an infantry or MP unit. A bunch of dudes that sell used Hyundais and work at CVS? Not so much.

>>65206123
I seem to recall a story that I read here, where an army unit was tasked with holding a city in Iraq and was met with heavy resistance from the locals. Then they were relieved by a NG unit and the city became cooperative almost immediately.
The difference being that older guys with some life experience, regular jobs and families of their own were better at wrangling civilians than 19yo kids with more testosterone than brain cells, whose first course of action was to kick doors and crack skulls first and ask questions later
Granted, it was a post on /k/ so there's a good chance it was entirely fictional

>>65206018
I wouldn't be surprised if it was faster. Traditionally, standing armies were never maintained in numbers that would be needed if a full scale war broke out exactly because infantry isn't actually that hard to get to tolerable levels of competence. So 60 days for people that have already been trained to my laymen ears seems honestly reasonable it not a bit much.

>>65206018
Sounds about right for onboarding a job and the grace period for firing.

>>65206174
I mean the 77th ID in WW2 famously had a guy that worked the for the phone company wire tap opfor comms during a training exercise and dropped notional artillery on their position.

>>65206018
You can train a civilian in 60 days be a basic infantry, further training length depends on trade. Reservists really should be good to go pretty quick if you have a well funded military. The vast majority of the time spent in the reg force is just sitting around doing nothing, especially so in the combat Arms. Reservists are just actually working during the time in between training.

>>65206018
Is that dog dead?

>>65206018
Is this from the Ann Arbor natural history museum?

>>65206050
>>65206018
60-90 days seems about right to get to the lowest possible point of mission readiness for a regular unit, ie the starting point for collective training to be deployable.

>>65206647
Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology

>>65206174
it always baffles me to think that NG sees way more deployment action than AD, why the hell is that?

>>65206018
I'm a reserves officer in my cuntry. I got my commission by joining our ROTC equivalent in uni. Most reserves in my country are officers while the official militia are the "reserves grunts". It took 3 years to earn my commission. I am attached to the CBRN unit due to the nature of my degree and work.

>>65206831
How's the quality compared to AD? Also what cunt are you in (or region in general, if it's European)

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>>65206018
How does a dinosaur end up like that? Is this AI?

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>>65206174
No it's real. The 1st Batallion of 124th infantry regiment out of Florida, part of the 53rd IBCT. They deployed to Ramadi in August of 2003. Didn't lose a single soldier on that deployment. Many credited the fact they were manned with police and firefighters for their ability to manage the situation well.

>>65206123
>sheer requirement of actually having to survive on their own without the government teat are likely going to be above average in trainability
>cops... during the week can probably catch up real quick to an infantry... unit

>>65206018
Look at that fuckin thing bro

>>65206123
When it comes to Reservists, it eeally depends on the unit, but generally the guys on the top have spent years cutring their teeth on the hardest shit imaginable and now take the easy path of wrangling weekend warriors.

The real struggle more than anything is just finding the time and funding to get in the real training, not just the shit everybody needs to maintain the current minimum that lets you do shit in field. Whicb is the 2-3 month onboarding pre deployment phase where you cram all the training, med, inspections, and prep needed to get a unit deployable.

>>65206302
11B combined with Basic is 23 weeks, might soon be 24+ way things are going.

>>65206174
Its life experience combined with afore mentioned leadership, and the fact that units stick together for a while. Regular Army guys are cycled out every 2 years like clockwork, NG and Reserves, you can easily spend 3-5+ years in a unit so long as you're not an AGR Officer where you're still expected to play the dumb fucking promotion game. This leads to Joes learning from real shit NCOs, and sections developing strong bonds, with good inter unit communication skills.

Now, does LSCO threaten to throw all that good shit out the window, absolutely. However, I firmly believe the greatest threat isn't the enemy here, its one again, budget and big Army incompetence as the Army is dragging its feet on adopting next gen gear troops will have no experience dealing with, nor will they have, up until its 6 months too late.

(Brit) I did reserve basic training then immediately mobilised for deployment to Afgan and they gave us 4-5 months of training for it (weekends off) but that could have been slimmes down a lot if you discount wasted time for military bullshit and no work ever being done on Fridays, so 60 days is probably in the right ballparkm

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Have there been cases in history where reservists outperformed regulars?

>>65206174
Makes perfect sense. People who join the military from school are surrounded by and interact with military people and have a narrow mindset. Reserves live in the real world and can get on with everyday people

>>65207023
Reserves as a modern concept I'm not.so sure, they are often mixed in with regular units. Historically milita filled the same role as reserves and there are logs of cases of milita beating professional forces, the Hussite wars being a prime example

>>65207049
Define "modern"
We've had reserves since the 19th century.

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>>65207052
If you want to define it by industrialisation, the 19th century is modern, but militia and similar things also existed. Historically the modern era begins around the 1500s depending on who you ask.

For the purposes of this conversation we're talking about people who fall under the command of a nations military but don't serve on a full time basis.
One example that comes to mind for me first is pic related

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>>65207086
>>65207086

>>65206774
NG dets out units or even just individuals to regular AD units, but it doesn't go the other way. Since they are deployed piecemeal most of the time it ends up that a single guard unit could be deploying 3 different places at the same time which doesn't really happen in the active side

>>65206838
It’s actually a mummy in a way. It’s well preserved enough that the structures that dictate color can be seen on it via microscope. It’s supposedly reddish brown.

>>65207135
how's NG performance compared to AD in such cases?

>>65207149
How can a dinosaur become a mummy? They had no bandages back then

>>65206831
You the guy who posted the mice pics a while back?

>>65207166
No idea. Dad was a NG colonel (trauma surgeon) who got activated and detted out, got to the debark point in Charleston and his orders didn't actually say who he was supposed to attach to so the AD guy there asked if he wanted Afghanistan or Iraq, he picked Iraq and kind of wandered around the air base there for a week until he found some infantry unit (a Pennsylvania guard unit) and joined them. So it's not exactly a smooth process, or it wasn't like 18 years ago

>>65207023
Franco-Prussian War. The French professional army got outperformed by German mobilized militia.

>>65207023
Finnish reservists beat the soviets pretty handily in the Winter war, man for man.

>>65206050
This was in 1992. National Guard and other reservists have seen much more action since then

>>65207197
Mummification doesn't need bandages, it needs the body to be embalmed in something that prevents or delays rotting/oxidation. If a body is submerged in thick mud, it can become mummified and the skin can survive for a significant amount of time, sometimes indefinitely if there's zero oxygen or bacteria and it goes undisturbed below layers of sediment. It's why bodies retrieved from swamps often don't decompose into bones unlike buried corpses.

>>65208443
So doesnt this release the curse of the dino mummy then

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>>65207166
Does anyone know how NG compares to AD? Like, are they just not as good or are they complete garbage.

>>65208567
bump for answer

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>>65206869
I just went to St. Augustine and visited the alligator zoo. I had no idea these good boys knew their names and were quite smart.

>>65209516
lil gator

>>65209509
Reservists and NG are generally dogshit, barely functional and usually on par with irregulars. I'd say taliban goatfuckers, isis fighters and azov militias could beat an NG element any day

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>>65209947
The guy said they came in one morning and there were torn clothes in the lagoon and they thought it was a prank until they found a trail of blood and an arm.

You know, i wonder how much experience would off-set this. Like Ukrainian militia's/conscripts at the start were just civilians with some training, but could the guys who remain after 4+ years go on par with professional soldiers in the West?

>>65207966
>kind of wandered around the air base there for a week until he found some infantry unit
nice administration

>>65206869
Everybody loves firefighters so this tracks.

>>65215107
everybody loves cops as well

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>>65206123
I knew a guy who was an MD in the civilian world who was also a reservist, i think a mechanic or just a grunt. They offered him promotion as a military doc but he refused. Being a reservist was his way of unloading without having any responsibility, and he apparently hated his patients so much that he just didnt want to do any more medical work than necessary.

>>65215751
Doesn't have to even hate his patients
Medical work is just draining, even if you love doing it

>>65215938
that guy specifically said he hated his patients though. Especially the women in their 20s with fake disorders, and women who got pissed off that he wanted a pregnancy test before giving them any drugs, and then finding out that they were in fact pregnant.

>>65212204
arent alligators too small to really hunt an adult?

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Why do reservists exist? Why not get everybody up to active duty?

>>65219041
Fighting and walking don't feed a man.

>>65219060
the military doesnt need farmers thoughalbeit

>>65216385

>Especially the women in their 20s with fake disorders

Many such cases

>>65206951
>Regular Army guys are cycled out every 2 years like clockwork, NG and Reserves, you can easily spend 3-5+ years in a unit
How does the American army function? Over here if you join a regiment you're in that regiment for your entire career, career NCOs will spend 20 years in the same regiment, often the same battalion with some small secondments to training facilities or something.
How does an American regiment even maintain identity?

>>65219084
It's good to mix things up a bit to make sure proficiency and experience is spread equally amongst regiments.

Here in Europe the reservist system often leads a lot to be desired, at least here in the Netherlands.

>>65219121
leaves a lot to be desired*

>>65219080
It's gotten worse with TikTok hypochondriacs who have vague complaints and then build an entire identity around these so-called 'disorders'. I've seen that myself (work in the hospital, not a doc)

Worst thing he saw was a woman who just neglected her birth control while she was on accutane because she "could just put the fetus up for adoption". These people walk amongst us.

>>65206018
>60 days to train a reserve unit
10 days of individual training.
10 days of squad level training.
20 days of platoon level training.
20 days of company and above training.

Plenty of time if you have the cadre, resources, and land.

>>65219068
>thoughalbeit
What kind of turdie ESL bullshit nonsense word is this?

>>65219230
woops, it should've been thoughbeit

>>65219084
>How does the American army function? Over here if you join a regiment you're in that regiment for your entire career, career NCOs will spend 20 years in the same regiment, often the same battalion with some small secondments to training facilities or something.
We do rotating deployments. You spend several years in a "front line" deployment or overseas unit, then rotate to a Stateside one to get your marriage/life back together and have a more normal job for a while. Keep in mind that most Euro units stay within a reasonable weekend train trip of your home town, whereas even a continental US unit routinely takes guys from our equivalent of Portugal and sends them off to Estonia or Hungary, distance/climate-wise. Part of the idea is that ambitious, veteran enlisted can pass around knowledge and skill bases between units, while problematic ones either fail to promote and get shitcanned or get shunted into undesirable and remote units where they won't be causing issues. See: Armchair Copelord, he was a junior logistics officer who went from a serious artillery supply unit, fucked up repeatedly with ever-less-impressive promotions/transfers, then eventually got shunted into a literal job polishing cannons in a museum in Alaska to ride out his contract before he got quietly drummed out.
>How does an American regiment even maintain identity?
Not everyone rotates at once. Units have internal museums, their own initiation rituals, and long-running memes that the officers and NCOs keep going. One of the first things you usually do on a transfer is passdown briefs to go over how your old and new units run themselves. After a few years the "newbies" are initiating their own new guys and passing on the culture. It's also not uncommon for someone to rotate back into their old units after a stint away.