>>65206215
Lost knowledge and corruption.

>>65206215
Because the SU pretended that it had money while Russia simply flat out doesn't have money

>>65206215
drugs, corruption, AIDS, brain drain

>>65206215
Let's see
>had the resources and manpower of multiple nations
>could just cook the books harder and take out loans they'd never pay back because lol try getting a commie to pay denbts
>pressing need because oh sweet Lenin in the great commune in the sky NATO is so ready to tear us a new asshole
Or in other words, the same reasons modern Russia can't do anything old Yun Yun could

Is this AI? Why are the numbers jumbled in back?

>>65206215
The Soviets, and by extension the Russians, never mastered the switch to solid state electronics and more advanced materials which most modern weapons are heavily reliant upon.

Even today the Russians are decent at weapons that are mostly steel and gunpowder. They make a decent number of shells and tank hulls, but are heavily dependent on foreign supply chains for electronics and more advanced composite materials.

All this is also exacerbated by incredible corruption and the post-Soviet brain drain.

>>65206261
Yeah, it's AI.

>>65206272
>never mastered the switch to solid state electronics
Even their eastern European serf states built copies of western CPUs in the 1980s

>>65206296
The Soviets were one of the few empires where its client states were more developed than the metropole.

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>Soviet Union equipment
>look inside
>Ukrainian

>>65206261
AI is trying to find it's place in forums and socials, so it's decided generic place-holder images are good enough.

>>65206261
Look at the workers in the foreground. Not a single one looks natural.

>>65206291
I just found that image when I searched for the TU-160. Funnily enough it looks like it's from a Russian propaganda AI video where they talk how the TU-160 is back in mass production.

>>65206315
The workers on the platform near the tail are interesting, starts as two vaguely human shaped entities, which merge into one misshapen, then they just become a black vertical line

>>65206309
Kek
https://unn.ua/en/news/russia-uses-tu-160-bombers-that-ukraine-gave-it-in-the-late-90s-mass-media

>>65206215
The Soviets were so less skilled at warfare than just Russia alone that they needed 5.8 times the weapons to get the job done.

>>65206261
Where is all of the trash and shit strewn about? Things that should be in the way and such?

>>65206215
>USSR built multiple industrial centers in areas outside of modern day Russia
>Russia is somehow even more corrupt than the USSR to a comical degree which makes building shit even harder, more time consuming, and less efficeint
>the various talent that was in the USSR either left for better economic opportunities, wanting to escape political reprisals for saying Putin is a corrupt retard, or have gotten old and retired/died
>above problems also make it much harder to train a new generation to have the necessary skills to keep up production
>in recent times sanctions have also made it harder to get key materials to build more

>>65206215
Small independent global military superpower, please understand.

>>65206215
The answer to every "why can't Russia do (thing that the USSR did)" question is "they're fucking broke and everyone with two braincells to scrape together left Russia long ago" Anon.

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>>65206215
socialism vs. capitalism.

US military is the most socialized organization in human history. When the US collapses beyond all recognizability, the military will remain. Unless people like in Pic have their way....

>>65206296
The Soviets tried really, really hard to not do that because they had dreams of "Soviet computing" being more than just copycats. They wanted to build their own computing architecture from the ground up. Of course, they ended up just making IBM compatibles in the end like literally everyone else on the planet.

>>65206215
>call plane backfire bomber
>plane backfires
It is a mystery.

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>>65206215
Putin could start a kickstarter to fund them, some guys turn up and kick you until you give them money for the TU-160 they're building

>>65206309
That's what really screwed over Russia. They're larping as some continuation of the soviet union but they lost some of their most important technological hubs, especially ukraine.

>>65206215
The USSR gave up its industry in its dying days to produce oil, and then it got really addicted to how much other nations were willing to pay for its oil compared to its machines.
Then, oil prices crashed and the USSR flopped.
Russia can still make oil, but its industrial capacity went to shit and never recovered. It would take considerable investment into education and maybe some Chinese engineers to repair what Putin let stagnate.

>>65206215
the USSR was a doughnut empire. they sucked the wealth from their combloc minions without actually using that wealth to make themselves more powerful. Su-25s were made in Georgia, Tanks made in Ukraine, Ambulances in Latvia, Dump trucks in Belarus, etc. etc. so when the wall came down they lost their empire and their ability to produce the heavy equipment they used to police said empire

>>65206272
They can only build about 200 T-90M hulls a year and nothing else, all other tanks they produce are refurbished existing tanks

>>65206471
russia absolutely isn't more corrupt than USSR. communist systems allow for more venues and provide even more perverse incentives for corruption. it's just more visible with modern russia, especially with the war expoosing the affect on the military

>>65206215
USSR, besides having larger population etc. spent about 15-25% of its GDP on military.

>>65206215
The breakup of the USSR would be the equivalent of the US losing California, Texas, New York, Florida, and Illinois

>>65207397
Oh and THEN the US economy loses 40% of its value after that from the shock. So about 1/3 of the former total

> In 35 years Russia has built..... 6.

puccia is a failed mafia state. It's a success they are still even able build 1 of such plane.

>Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Russia
>Russia
Hmmmm I wonder

>>65206272
You have a good idea, but you're wrong in details.

>>65206215
The Soviet Union had Ukraine, a breadbasket region with excellent mineral deposits. Planes were built using Ukrainian minerals with workers fed by Ukrainian grain. While the loss of the Baltics and Belarus hurt, the loss of Ukraine crippled the USSR, essentially reducing it to modern Russia.

Hence why Putin is so keen on getting Ukraine back.

>>65206778
>russia absolutely isn't more corrupt than USSR
nta, and believe me i know all about how prevalent corruption is in commie countries but i'd also wager current russia is even worse off
Sure maybe you don't need to rely on bribes to get toilet paper from the shop's hidden stash but now the top level corruption is even worse, as in it's basically state sanctioned
For example, during commie times if you wanted to organize an F1 Grand Prix in Moscow, the mayor would tell you
>just wire all the money through my private account lol
trying some shady shit on the side
Nowadays an oligarch can funnel billions of rubles out of the state railways in the bright of day, and nothing will happen because putins pals, the rotenbergs will even help you move it

>>65206309
Ponder the paizuri..

>>65206742
>>65206327
It does explain the whole invasion thing. Monke wants the empire back.

>>65206778
>russia absolutely isn't more corrupt than USSR
It is in fact way more corrupt, it's just that some of corruption morphed in its nature.

>>65207706
man of taste

>>65207706
awkward and possibly painful.

>>65206552
Pretty sure there is a layer of autistic irony or satire there.

>>65207397
>US losing California, New York, and Illinois
I accept.

>>65206309
BLUE BOARD ANON!

>>65206215
Because they're unironically a fallen empire.
The same reason why the formerly great British Navy has been shrinking every year for decades.

Wodka overdosage and reunification fixation

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>>65206261

>>65206261
>>65209030
That's so sad. Do they have any Tu-160, or it's all just slop?

>>65206215

Soviet union was a colonial empire pretending to be the N.1 amongst a club of communist friends. And the leadership might not even have realized it.
Pretty much when commie countries traded with USSR let's say Angola or Vietnam the USSR would trade things like weapons, planes, trains and motors for local raw materials. The trade value was not based on any real money amount of market due to communism so Russia effectively sold sold finished goods at a massive premium in exchange for raw materials. If Russia wanted to prop up a specific country they did the opposite giving and buying stuff at a very beneficial exchange rate to the other country when they decided it was necessary. Their currency wasn't really traded anywhere besides the black market and all their trading partners went with the official rate. So they could generate near limitless money as long as they had the resources to make things.
Russia ended up having to prop up more and more countries over time which were going bankrupt because Communism just doesn't work as a self sustaining system instead of taking advantage of them because they didn't want to lose them to the US. ( Cuba NK Afghanistan and several African states )
Ultimately the more successful colonies told them to fuck off ( like China, Germany) with their parasitic system while the ones they had to prop up remained. The whole system stopped working. Now Russia lacks a captive market to sell its exports besides raw materials and finds itself in the reverse situation it used to be in with China. China sells Russia value added goods and gets below market price raw materials.

>>65207706
>Oooh anon, you like when I roll them like this?~
>CLANK CLANK CLANK

>>65206309
What if I told you Ukraine was part of Soviet Union?

>>65211613
No shit, retard.

>>65211636
Yeah.

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>>65211613
Your intellect continues to impress

>>65206751
Doughnut? As in a hole in the middle?

>>65206215
Use case for shitting out Tu-160s when you can just spam drones and ballistic missiles instead?

>>65211983
>Strategic bombing is cooler than drones
>Variable geometry planes from back when that was the style are cooler than drones
>Flying mach 2+ slinging giant fuck off missiles on the day of Armageddon is a way cooler concept than anything you can do with a drone
Imagine how boring the bomber parts of Dr. Strangelove would be if it was a fucking drone

>>65206261
>Is this AI? Why are the numbers jumbled in back?
I'm not at all certain but I think the one in front is real and extra workers, work carts and planes have been in-painted into the foreground and background.


>>65208594
>>US losing California, New York, and Illinois
>I accept.
Good news!
Then there's a zigger state where you can indulge in your form of dumbed-down single-party pseudo-theocratic russified kleptocracy.

>>65211983
>Use case for shitting out Tu-160s when you can just spam drones and ballistic missiles instead?
The ballistic missiles aren't too accurate, the aero-ballistic missiles are far more successful.
KABs are pretty effective too.

>>65212718
>I'm not at all certain but I think the one in front is real and extra workers, work carts and planes have been in-painted into the foreground and background.
It's all AI.
Spaghetti scaffolding, "workers" way out of scale and missing body parts and melding into each other, engine intake duplication.
It's all slop.

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>>65212737
>Spaghetti scaffolding, "workers" way out of scale and missing body parts and melding into each other, engine intake duplication.
>It's all slop.
Yeah, I suppose you're right.
The engines coming all the way back to the tail is a give-away and the cockpit windows are all wrong.
It looks somewhat convincing if you don't really remember what the Blackjack actually looks like.
It is a beautiful bird, I like its Swan-like aesthetics.

>>65211657
Yes. The actual productive content was in the colonies, while the Russian metropolis sat on its ass and just sucked in the profits without feeling the need or desire to improve itself in any way.

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>>65212873
To this day they'll cope and say it was the opposite - especially when accused of colonialism.
(i.e. they pumped money into the periphery to "improve their quality of life" which killed the Russian economy and made the empire fall apart, and the former combloc countries are being ungrateful bastards about it today).
It's funny reading that because every time my grandparents (who were born in the 40s) talk about Russia, it's about how it was a backwards shithole and how the occupation forces were buying or stealing anything that wasn't bolted down to bring back home, and about the highly disadvantageous contracts our state was forced to sign that obliged us to supply the USSR with shipments of raw materials and goods (mainly >100k tons of uranium) in exchange for whatever scraps the Soviets could spare at the time.

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>>65212873
>>65212922
Even today, the Russians still extract from their new empire. Why the fuck else would they be ripping out tram tracks in Mariupol?

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>>65212932
>tram tracks dismantled

I would like to add that they are suburban lines in Berlin that are just now having service restored after the Soviets took all the tracks and electrical equipment in the late 40's.

>>65212953
Germany did the same with Belgian industry during WW1. Belgium was the second most industrialized economy, and germany dismantled most of the machinery, factories, and railways and shipped it al back to germany

>>65212949
where is the cement truck to fix this?

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>>65213638

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>>65212949
We all know who is truly to blame for russian infrastructure having ass inside the ass while eggs are measured and lobster sings on mountain top.

>>65206706
>they had dreams of "Soviet computing"
Their computer network (OGAS) came out before our ARPANet. But it was centrally controlled, for production and economic reporting.

Nobody there would have dreamed of pointing a camera at the staff coffeepot.

>>65206215
All the smartest most industrious Soviets weren't russians.

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>>65214225
They have certainly devolved.

>>65214225
Furthermore; all (by-and-large) Russians since 1991 who have gotten STEM degrees have left for the West.

>>65213643
hackers on steroids?

Russia had the GDP of Italy, prewar

>>65206240
Lol

>>65206309
>Soviet ww2 warcrime
>look inside
>Ukrainian

>>65211983
>just spam drones
The ballistic missiles get through, the drones don't

>>65206215
Insufficient alcohol consumption. The USSR prioritized vodka production to keep workers happy and inebriated. Russia is now capitalist and workers have to buy their own vodka.

>>65214241
Not really, just the smart ones.

>>65215118
>just the smart ones
That's what we call
>a distinction without a difference

>>65206272
>but are heavily dependent on foreign supply chains for electronics
Nothing wrong with that.
Iranian drones attacking American forces and allies are made using US made chips and US can't stop flow of these chips to Iran.

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>>65206252
>could just cook the books harder and take out loans they'd never pay back because lol try getting a commie to pay denbts

This is just not true. Pic related. The US has all these former shitholes beat on external debt now.

>>65211636
>>65211648
you didn't answer, sweetie

>>65206309
Anon, Ukraine was part of the USSR

>>65212718
Imagine unironically defending authoritarian neoliberal shithole states

>>65207502
Ukraine, Germany, and Poland really carried the USSR

>>65216097
Yes Anon, that's the joke. Also slowpoke.jpg >>65211613

>>65216264
Both East Germany and Poland were not part of the Soviet Union. They were independent socialist states aligned with the Warsaw Pact and COMECON. Ukraine was completely under the leash of Moscow as it was a constituent republic.

That's why ziggers are especially butthurt about losing control over Ukraine after 1991.

>>65216116
>unironically defending authoritarian neoliberal shithole states
Where did I say that living in Moscow was actually good?
I just said that anon could move there if they hated libs that much.

>>65216346
>They were independent socialist states aligned with the Warsaw Pact and COMECON.
Didn't stop the russians from indirectly running those countries, shamelessly siphoning away cash, resources, and various scientific and industrial experts they considered useful.

>>65216591
I was talking about California and New York (and to a lesser extent Illinois)

>>65216619
You think those are on par with Russia?
What are you smoking, unfiltered Fox News printouts rolled up into a joint?

>>65216686
No, I just look at their policies and actions

>>65216741
And your cognitive processes led you to believe that Los Angeles is on a level with Moscow for authoritarianism?

I think your reasoning process may be faulty.

>>65206309
That's pretty fucking metal.

>>65216346
>They were independent socialist states
Independence was partial at best.

>>65216116
>Imagine unironically defending authoritarian neoliberal shithole states
There's a reason more people live in blue states, Cletus
>authoritarian
???

>>65216750
Yes, and you have no argument otherwise, that's why you're resorting to ad hominems
>>65216766
Yeah easy to have more people when you import them gleefully

>>65216769
>>>
>thinks LA is as bad as Moscow
There's a point where you just don't try to communicate because you know that you're not speaking the same language.

>>65216765
Funny thing is that the GDR opposed the Perestroika and Glasnost so hard the started banning Soviet publications like Sputnik. In the 80's the GDR's leadership was more orthodox communist than even the Soviet leadership itself which resulted in Honecker opposing Gorbachev reforms right up until his regime collapsed.

>>65216774
Yes, I am different than you and heavily disagree. Brilliant observation.

>>65206215
No one can build anything. Modern systems are too complex and resource intensive and globalization favors bottom of the barrel corner cutting that reduces product reliability, this is compounded with complex systems. Russians in particular can't build anything because they're extra retarded.

>>65216116
Americans, is there any reason why not a single one of you knows what the term "neoliberal" means? Or is this simply that cringy burger practice of engaging in political discourse by only using scare words without any concern for their precise definition?

>>65216823
>"that wasn't REAL neoliberalism..."

>>65216827
kek, that's probably how that brown retard in >>65216116 will respond now that I've challenged him to define the term.

>>65216832
Tell me exactly how those places aren't neoliberal

>>65216844
>Tell me exactly how those places aren't neoliberal
Can you define the term so that we agree on what it means to be neoliberal?

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>>65216844
Again, do you have any idea what the term means or are you now trying to slink your way out of self-embarrassment by trying make someone else do your legwork?

At this point, I need to ask not just you, but all the Americans ITT: What is your understanding of the word 'neoliberal'?

>>65216857
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/neoliberalism/

>>65216865
Burden of Proof is on the accuser, Europoor. But since you can't actually define it, I've provided a definition >>65216866

>>65216870
Good job inbred. You've at least done one thing correctly, though it doesn't appear as though you read your own link. Now, reconcile the definition of neoliberal that you provided with the term "authoritarian", as you yourself used it in this post >>65216116

>>65216884
Because they follow neoliberal economic principles, and on the surface champion "democracy", but it's evident that they have clear agendas and act more like dictatorships

You know this is true, that's why you resort to constant ad hominems and having me spell it out for you.

>>65216892
An insult by itself is not an ad hominem argument you emotionally delicate pseudo-intellectual shitstain. Kek, how many times do people need to be reminded of this? This is something already taught to 12 year olds in debate courses.

None of the states he mentioned are any more neoliberal than the rest of the western order so the phrase "authoritarian neoliberal shithole" is at best, a nonsensical and almost oxymoronic word salad by a pretentious twat who is trying way too hard. At worst, you're probably some retard who saw it as a compound word containing the term "liberal" and decided to use it as a culture war pejorative.

>>65216939
Can you try not talking like a Hazbin Hotel character? It's clear from this rant that you're not actually interested in a discussion, and just want to rant about Americans or whatever

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>>65216946
>PLEASE C-CHANGE THE T-T-TOPIC AND STOP P-pOINTING OUT MY RETARDATION
Howling. There isn't much of a discussion to be had with easily angered retards like you who have no grasp of basic political terminology and debate concepts yet still choose to seethe and spew their subsaharan IQ opinions here kek. You seem rather desperate the change the topic so why not.

>Google Hazbin hotel
>It's goyslop animation for neckbeards
Not surprised in the least that this is what you consider entertainment

>>65216973
It's clear you don't actually want a discussion of the topic, why you bothered to start one is beyond me. Not sure why you're saying that I'm changing the topic.

You talk like a 15-year old that recently learned offensive insults. Nothing constructive can come from that. Goodbye.

>political shitflinging between "Europeans" and "Americans"
>wait why the fuck did I click this thread
>scroll up
>it's a thread about Russian failures
hmmmm

>>65208588
You'd think so, but there's almost a hundred years worth of proud retards who got tricked by Hitler's clever little naming ploy

>>65216988
Educate yourself in Poli-Sci one of these days, try to be original and creative with your counter arguments, and please do away with that limp-wristed victim complex of yours. A /k/ thread shouldn't have you acting this pissy.
>Goodbye.
Stop talking like a catty faggot just because you're indignant.

>>65217013
something about his style of reply and his tone is a bit reminiscent of vatniks. It's that distinctively whiny self-victimhood and reliance on NO U responses that ziggers resort to whenever cornered in an argument.

>>65217014
>there's almost a hundred years worth of proud retards who got tricked by Hitler's clever little naming ploy
The arch-conservative billionaire party in Australia is called the Liberal Party.

>>65217272
those two are not inconsistent unless you have no idea what classical liberalism is.

>>65217272
>>65217368
To be fair, they had their own Hitler style
>should we just name ourselves liberal to trick people
moment when they were starting out, well perhaps calling it "tricking people" is a bit much, but they specifically rejected calling themselves conservative because they wanted people to associate them with freedom rather than stuffy conservative politicians

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>>65206215
>In 8 years Soviet Union built 35 Tupolev TU-160s. In 35 years Russia has built..... 6.

when did the last B1b leave the factory? what year was it?

>>65217469
1988 anon, that's when the last one was built, the difference here is that Uncle Sam isn't trying to build new ones
There were 100 built over a five year span before production was shut down, now compare and contrast that to the current pace of tu160 production

>>65217501
>now compare and contrast that to the current pace of tu160 production
LMAOOOO
>new TU160's are being produced
>zero new B1b's are or have been produced since 1988 (38 years ago)

weird compare&contrast you got going there^

its seems like giga-superonic bombers arent really needed in huge numbers and a handful used strategically are all you really need from the looks of it

>>65217606
I get that in your brown understanding of the world, that argument is supposed to work, but do keep in mind that B2 and B21 both exist.

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>>65217606

>>65206747
The USSR produced so much military kit as well that it made no sense to carry on making new stuff.

>>65216792
Kind of, Honecker was a fucking mad man and a schizo, GDR was built on the reliance of Soviet firepower and majority of the leaders of GDR were huge Stalinist simp. But when 1989 came, Honecker saw people who left the country as a result of being "brainwashed" by the capitalist so he double down, not to mention, despite hating Gorbachev reforms, Honecker tried to lick his boot by hosting the last GDR parade with East German begged for Gorbachev help.

>>65217272
That only reads as weird if you're used to 'liberal' being used interchangeably with 'centre-left' or 'progressive' in the US.
Plus at least at first the Libs were intended to quite specifically not be a conservative party in the same sense as those that had failed before it.
>>65218298
Yeah, a combination of being broke and also already having massive piles of 'good enough' kit isn't a winning combination for ongoing investment in your defence industrial capacity.