>>65207569
that's my peanus weanus of course :DDD

>>65207572
seek medical attention

weather balloon

>>65207569
>canards
Ew

>>65207587
Well it is pride month, I guess it's allowed to be gay for now

>>65207582
idk might be swamp gas

>>65207569
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sabutai

I will need a lower quality image to decide.

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>>65207569
F-47

i know but i wont tell you

I wouldn't worry about it.

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It looks like an evolution of the X36 that first flew in 1997. The design heavily influenced NGAD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_X-36

Newer test craft in the X-45A and the cancelled X-44 Manta have a different configuration.

looks interesting asf ngl

>>65207569
>no exhaust signature
>uniform thermal signature
It's fucking fake.

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>>65207569

>>65207668
>no exhaust signature
>uniform thermal signature
>fake
or...

One of the X-plane demonstrator for the NGAD, first flew in 2019

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Source seems a little dubious.

instagram.com/projectfearofficial/

>>65207712
https://theaviationist.com/2026/06/04/mysterious-next-gen-aircraft-allegedly-spotted-near-area-51/
Seems to be real

>>65207569
Nice, the new Chinese jet actually made it all the way into the heart of the US without being detected.

>>65207569
The US finally invented the J20

You can stop your butthurt spam now, chinky

>>65207569
The F-47 finally spotted. Took you burger-bros long enough.

>>65207587
If the Canards are fixed, they won't compromise stealth.

>>65207780
It would have to be a demonstrator or something, potentially even for F/A-XX

F-47 is supposed to have its first flight in 2-3 years, if they're still flying demonstrators in 2026 that's a bad sign.

If it's an F/A-XX demonstrator then the timeline makes more sense as F/A-XX isn't expected to fly until the mid 2030s.

>>65207780
Nevermind that, the image is a fake. No exhaust heat plume, uniform heat diistribution through the aircraft. A shitty fake at that.

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>>65207569
Twin-engine stealth Viggen.

>>65207854
> the US mastered all aspect IR stealth and the online consensus is it's a shitty fake

>>65207865
I would start believing in Alien tech transfer if that happens.

>>65207865
Another case of
>Military leak dismissed online as fake and gay for being too fantastical

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>>65207854
https://theaviationist.com/2026/06/04/mysterious-next-gen-aircraft-allegedly-spotted-near-area-51/

> Some doubts were mentioned in the comments regarding the absence of a visible exhaust plume, using it as evidence of the image being fake or showing new advanced thermal management technologies. Otteson posted as comparison an image of a fighter jet captured in similar conditions, which similarly did not show the exhaust plume.

>>65207569
Obviously classified.

>>65207713
https://theaviationist.com/author/stefano-durso/
Is de Usro Italian for Da Bear?

>>65207898
>Alien tech transfer
Just what do you think the DVD is? Fuck man, stop living in denial and just buy The White Album again!

>>65207569
>canards
lol, lmao

>a carbon copy of the j-20

>>65207569
2 billion dollars

>>65208090
>and other fantasies you can tell yourself as a chinese shill on an american forum

>>65208111
it do be like that doe
>99% same shape
>canards

>>65207569
Looks sort of like the NG mockup for the F/A-XX

>>65208166
That's what I suspect it is, a flying demonstrator for F/A-XX >>65207799

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It's Dirge.

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>>65207569

>>65207688
sexo

>>65208090
>>65208296
You mean Viggen, guling

>>65207598
Clanners get the rope.

>>65207569
Fuck.
I dont like this. Looks lame af

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It strongly resembles the planform of the “Christmas Tree” design Northrop came up with during ATF. It was apparently the stealthiest they could come up with, though there were significant maneuverability compromises, which led to YF-23 being selected as a middle ground. The forward section matches pretty closely to released renders of F-47, this is very likely NGAD related and not F/A-XX. There is also a fair amount of X-36, and possibly dihedral tips in the vein of Bird of Prey, so this is likely the Boeing demonstrator. It is worth noting that the Air Force recently did a massive land grab around Area 51, around the time it is claimed this was captured. While it is still very possible it’s fabricated, said land grab could have been motivated by them knowing it was captured on video.

>>65207569
Of course, the fabled XF-67

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>>65207569
>>65208601
Doesnt it seem like the rear wing tips are downward facing rotating ruddervaders

>>65207598
>75 tons weight
>44 tons of payload available
The fuck are these niggers smoking is this thing the size of a city block?

>>65208673
With the level of detail on thermal cameras theres no way to make that call. All we can say is Boeing won F-47, this design if real is materially similar to released F-47 renders, and that Boeing/McDonnell have previously built an advanced stealth demonstrator with dihedral wingtips, which could explain why the wingtips looks strange. Or it could be a consequence of the camera’s low resolution and the wings are completely conventional, we can’t say until we see the production F-47 in a few years, or if official pictures of the demonstrators are released.

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>>65208324
You mean, J-9

>>65208694
I bet its a combo of the X36 and the bird of prey

>>65208703
The J-9 was proposed in 1964, the Saab 37 had the design finalized by 1963 after starting in the 50s.

>>65207569
what's next?
vertical tails too?
strakes as well?

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Looks like the ultra low stealth design Northrop came up during ATF, but choose to go for the more conservative YF23 instead, technology could have matured enough for this design now, it'll probably have an immensely low RCS, nobody has yet came close to the raptor stealth, imagine this thing.

>>65207569
captured j20

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>>65208710
There’s very likely a lot of DNA from them there. Canards closely resemble X-36, and both this image and released renders can be interpreted to show dihedral wingtips ala Bird of Prey. I would also point out that SecDef produced an ai slop video the other week showing a lot of American equipment in testing that seemed to suggest F-47 may have dorsal inlets. While that could of course be misdirection, they were also featured on the Northrop Christmas Tree >>65208601 that this closely resembles. It would also track with a design that emphasizes stealth above any other feature, which the planform suggests this does. Assuming it’s not all a well constructed hoax of course.

>>65208791
wouldn't that suggest this is more interceptor like plane? You arent getting high aoa with dorsal intakes. Seems like the plane is for high altitude with top intakes to hide from both ground radar and other planes

>>65208816
It would track very well with the mini AWACS/drone quarterback role they’ve said 6th gen will be about. Something that can sit high and far away with very good battle space awareness and act as a major datalink hub. Stealth and endurance would be the major design goals, though I’m sure it will still be pretty fast maneuverability appears not to be a priority. As an added bonus if the design can accommodate a decent weapon bay it would be a very capable airframe for attacking high value ground targets.

>>65208760
Interesting

>>65207569
this is a still from the trailer for ace combat 8

>>65207569
Can't be american, we hate canards.

>>65209248
If the F-35 incident is anything to go by, stealth planes shouldn't have canards OR tail fins. At this point it's probably too much of a risk for them to even have intakes. Every plane must transform into a RAM-covered shahed if it wants to survive. It is the crab of the plane world

>1/3 of the posts in this thread is just one seething chinkshill samefagging
Grim

>>65209248
You mean how the chinx copied >>65207620

>>65208677
battletech tons are not metric tons. Battletech tech is beyond our comprehension (its magic.)
Anyone who tells you otherwise (like battletech fans) are retarded genuinely.

>>65208677
That's not even a heavy gross weight for the size and payload. A B1 is 87t empty, 148t gross, 216t MTOW. F111 is 21t empty, 38t gross, 45t MTOW. 30t gross and 75t MTOW is light and a huge bargain.
>>65209277
Actually retarded.

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Search your feelings

>>65209248
The J-20 is a genuinely a pretty good upgrade program for the J-11/J-15 series.

>>65209299
Get the fuck off my board. Go back to /tg/, crossboarder scum

>>65209366
I'm a fa/tg/uy (you) newfag. I was on this board before you and I will be here after (you) finally get around to doing us all a favor by suck starting a shotgun.

>>65209395
You can think tabletop is canon on /tg/. On /k/ we like realism.

>>65207569
>Canards

>>65207569
>fucking canards
Looks like a J20 lmao. Is this the century of humiliation for the US?

>>65209440
Pandramodo, is that you?

>>65207569
>the aviationist report

remember back in 2020 when aviationist also reported seeing ngad weeks after the air force said that they had developed it?

remember?

no?
i do

you can tell is fucking ai because it has dual canards

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>a J-20
Imitation is the most sincere form of admiration

>>65208090
A stolen j-20. Glowniggers probably could pull that off.

>>65207688
>Why the long face?

Who took them? I'll laugh if it's the trucker from ATS with a bazillion dollars in camera equipment

Why are chinkshills pretending like they came up with a rather generic but good design for stealth as if everyone doesn't use the same fucking shapes for planes? Good lord there's even prototypes of planes that predate the J-20 being an idea.

>>65209851
you're coping. It's not healthy

>>65208791
It would give the "Phoenix" name an extra element.

>>65209878
you couldnt even get the proverb right you retarded slant

>>65210070
>we didn't copy it
>it just happens to look the exact same
copium overdose

>>65210142
Are you just unable to read?

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>>65210142
>In 1997, China began preliminary design studies of the J-XX (XXJ) program, which was reported by the United States Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).
hmmmm very interesting

chinkshill, didn't your japanese grandfather teach you basic logic?

>>65207713
>seems to be real
>aviationist

ghost of kiev was more real than this

>>65209406
>noooo the game rules aren't reallllllll
Nta but holy fuck you are a insufferable faggot.
>75tons
For packing the equivalent of 4 MBT+ grade firepower and being able to perform surface to orbit deployment unassisted that's beyond amazing and goes into black magic.

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>>65208990
stfu fag

>>65210159
in BattleTech they have black magic fusion drives with ridiculous dV and thrust

>>65207572
FPBP

>>65207569
It's the NGAD/F-47 prototype, obviously.

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>>65209316

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>>65207572
>malformed
>black
>glows in the dark
Checks out.

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>>65207860
my nigger

>>65210464
bean fueled twin engine?

>>65210168
Literally tsmt
The delta v required to haul a bunch of mechs to and from orbit and also have fucking ftl drives is beyond known science

>>65208760
Yeah it looks rather like this, basically an evil flying Christmas tree only seemingly with ruddervators sort of like a YF-23 tail pushed out to the wingtips? Seem to also be upside down like the bird of prey prototype which would make sense that this thing has that and X-36 (also a flying Christmas tree) DNA.

>>65209878
J-20 silhouette looks like a very fucking regular jet, this thing looks like a Christmas tree with a B-2 looking rear section. The Chinese fucking wish the J-20 looked like this, it looks at best like an inferior past gen idea of this. Which it is, at fucking best.

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>>65210150
>>65209878
Do you ever get bored of being jealous of white cock chang? The J-20 is a stinking piece of shit for what its dressed up to be (a quasi-stealth aircraft instead of a well developed, true stealth aircraft). At multiple angles the stealth of the J-20 is severely compromised. Its like comparing the Wright flyer to a Bf-109.

>>65212359
Wasn't the engineering team executed last month?

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>>65212370
Pretty sure it wasn't anything directly related to the J-20, they killed the guy who ran their radar development along with a couple other scientist. Pooh Zedong was really unhappy with the doctored results of multiple tests, they deserve no good things with how their backwards ass country is run behind closed doors.

>>65207639
fr fr

>>65207587
All 6th gen fighters will use canards.

The Swedes have been vindicated.

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>>65207569
>a J-20
Lmfao so much for muh canards

>>65212359
>Taiwan

lmao, and yet they never took a photo of a J-20 despite it flying around their island all the time.
They boast all the time how they photograph random flankers with their sniper pods since the pro independence trannies are, like their american daddies, entirely optics fueled.

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>Fuck, it's an experimental plane SP-34R, Spear. Callsign Frost Druid. Shoot it down Monarch.

>>65212370
nope.
The case of the chief engineer was literally one of the most chinese-nerd thing to ever happen

>Engineer needed additional materials and processes for offiical state projects that AVIC didnt have and he didnt get a budget for
>Uses his influence to divert budget to build subsidiary companies that makes said materials for main state project
>Funds them by commercial activity to stay off the books, uses them to complete the state project

He was convicted of corruption, but his punishment was just suspension of duties and not death, as it would usually be, because the CCP understood that he did it all for the main state funded project at hand.

>>65212519
>>65212596
hi chinkshill, enjoy your muttified land of japanese, manchus, and mongolians

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>>65212609
build better planes before talking to my hand.
your's is ugly as fuck, like out of some 90s GI-Joe set.

picrel is peak aesthetics and the fact that the US cant make it shows how niggerfied you already are.

>>65212609
Damn right I will, Jamal

>>65212612
>>65212619
implessive

>>65212612
calling US planes ugly while being Chinese (ar*b living in Europe pretending the west has fallen) is funny

>>65212627
Why are you so mad, Jamal?

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>>65212628
compare picrel with whatever the F47 is lmao

Looks like a modified black bird

>>65212634
temu 6th gen lmao

>>65207620
They really don't look anything at all alike.
The delta wing + Canards system has been reinvented a hundred times.

>>65207900
>another case
It never happened in the first place.
Every time people called out a 'leak' for being too fantastical to work, they were right.

>>65208760
>>65208601
It really doesn't look like that at all. This is a "Boss Baby Movie" situation, lol.
The distance between the canards and the delta wing ass is much longer and that would totally change the aerodynamic and stealth properties. The layout of the plane is just a very common one seen internationally.

>>65207688
LEASATH FUCKING SHITS

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>>65207854
This is a picture of an F-16 taken with the same model camera. Notice the detail is shit and there is no exhaust trail. It’s commercial grade equipment, I believe meant for hunters, used by hobbyists, the quality leaves a ton to be desired.

>resident chinkshill is still seething
Grim

>>65212370
Some are. The chink replying to you is doing some serious damage control btw

>>65212606
Source ? Sounds like extreme cope

>>65212634
If you find that beautiful then I understand your POV mb you are just tasteless

>>65207569
that's a famas

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>>65207569
The Qaher-313

>>65212359
no idea why you quoted my post, do you think i'm on that retards side?

>>65212359
>believing taiwan

>>65212717
https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5278103593291773?cid=5278108451865573

It was low level corruption. He cooperated with the investigation and returned the small amount of bribe money. In a rare instance they allowed his contributions (J-20, J-10B/C, JF-17) to cancel out his mistakes. He will not be incarcerated but his honors will be stripped and he will not make major public appearances.

Wang Wei has also not been stripped off his "academician" title, which would be the first thing that goes away for serious misconduct.

>>65213012
holy cope

>source is weibo
Fucking low iq chinkshill

>>65213044
>F-35s have no radars
Oh come on you're still trying this?

>>65213012
>outing yourself as a literal chinkchill
>the source is literally twitter
they don't send their best agents here kek

>>65213012
>ESL noises

The only reason why they didn't kill him is that they couldn't suppress his bitching about resources, so they'd rather take a smaller l than a big L of shooting a smart guy showing that your government won't fund things properly and your country is a corrupt shithole through white hat actions.

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>>65213105
You still cant into Gallium Nitride and rare earth elements lmao.
Trump came begging for that to kneel before Xi. And Xi told him to get fucked. Sorry to say, but that's the state of your empire, or if you a vassal froggie or jap, the state of your buckbreaking daddy, of today.

>>65213110
Oh you're just throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks huh chang? Too bad we're not making noodles with tortured dogmeat.

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>>65209440
lmao was going to post this

The wumao cope has been extraordinary.

>>65213155
>>65209440
Is there any for the J-36?

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>>65210150
>mighty dragon
LOOOOOOOOOOL

>>65210150
But wasn't the J-20 a copy of the F-22?

>>65213449
They’re pissed because it blows up their all you have is renders cope. Despite us already having seen something via satellite out at Groom in ‘22 or ‘23. It doesn’t help that what we see seems to be a follow on to the last of the very exotic 90s demonstrators we were allowed to see, while what they’ve shown is relatively much more conventional.

>>65213110
>The F-35 weights image again
Bait with a near certain chance for a bite.

>>65207569
>What is this?
A J-20

>>65207569
F47 prototype obviously, cannards gives it away and the fact that we already know how lockheed and NG ngad/fa/xx looks like by the fact that both released images/made videos including their plane designs.

plus its already been confirmed that the USAF has been test flying for years now https://www.twz.com/36431/the-u-s-air-force-has-flown-a-demonstrator-for-its-next-generation-fighter

Vid has been released.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2063007649093034046
https://files.catbox.moe/orwjwj.mp4

>>65215586
>F47 prototype obviously, cannards gives it away and the fact that we already know how lockheed and NG ngad/fa/xx looks like by the fact that both released images/made videos including their plane designs.
Anon

The F-47 is supposed to be flying in less than 3 years, if that's a flying demonstrator for the F-47 they're WAYYYYYY behind schedule.

And it can't be an F-47 prototype or trump wouldn't have promised first flight by 2028, he'd have promised it earlier.

We also have ZERO clue what F/A-XX looks like from either NG or Lockheed, those images/videos are NEVER accurate to the actual airframe and the artists who get to design those renders usually don't have ANY idea what the real plane looks like, they're simply told to make a cool looking future plane.


My bet is F/A-XX demonstrator (as it isn't supposed to fly until the early/mid 2030s, which lines up nicely with this being an early airframe demonstrator).

Or it's a high-end UCAV/CCA prototype.

>>65207569
Might be the F-47, brace yourself for a chink chimpout soon, the whole site might be unusable for a few days.

>>65216369
There is nothing that stops them from having maintained the demonstrator in flying condition, especially when the contract was only awarded a bit over a year ago. The planform lines up almost perfectly with released renders of F-47, and this has all the hallmarks of a deliberate leak, given that they’d been surveying the jackasses sitting around with cameras the entire night before flying directly over them low and slow. Also, it is unlikely that there are any F/A-XX specific demonstrators, as the Navy threw money into a common pool with the USAF and DARPA to fund a common demonstrator program under the Aerospace Innovation Initiative.

>>65216985
>Also, it is unlikely that there are any F/A-XX specific demonstrators, as the Navy threw money into a common pool with the USAF and DARPA to fund a common demonstrator program under the Aerospace Innovation Initiative.
I mean while that did happen, that it no way would stop NG or Lockheed from building their own F/A-XX flying demonstrator to de-risk the program, ESPECIALLY if they thought it would make the navy more likely to choose them for the final contract.


Not all demonstrators are funded in the same ways.

Similarly, if it WERE an F-47 demonstrator it would be far more recent than the DARPA ones from the late 2010s. It would most LIKELY be a de-risking airframe for the F119/F135 since the XA102/103 engines won't be ready for the in-service date of the F-47, necessitating an interim engine solution that MAY have required a new flying demonstrator.

But I still think F/A-XX is more likely just due to the timelines around each program.

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Firefox?

>>65217009
The released F-47 renders show a plane with a shovel nose, prominent canards, and very probably dihedral wings, implying anhedral wingtips like the prior Bird of Prey. The footage captured shows a plane with a shovel nose, prominent canards, and what appear to be anhedral wingtips, implying a dihedral wing similar to the Bird of Prey. Boeing flew the same demonstrator airframe for MQ-25 from 2019 until a production representative airframe took flight earlier this year. There is strong evidence that points to this being the Boeing demonstrator that led to them winning F-47. There isn’t anything to connect it to F/A-XX, Northrop, and especially not Lockheed who was eliminated from F/A-XX over a year ago.

>>65216501
theres like a dozen cope posts ITT already

>>65217031
The fact you think any of those renders have ANY relevance to the real airframe shows you have no idea what you're talking about.


In fact, the mere fact it looks like renders is even more reason to believe it's NOT the F-47.

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>>65217069
Yep, they’re always really creative and go to great lengths to make sure the renders in no way resemble the actual airframe. I mean look at how much they modified the planform here.

>>65212690
or its the same AI generated image

>>65217194
It’s from a different guy, Uncanny Expeditions, who got the footage of the Dorito earlier this year.

>>65212606
>the chief engineer of our major fighter plane program embezzled projecting funding to found private companies so he could make money off state contracts and use commercial profits to hide the embezzlement
>but he did it out of patriotism because we have neither the funding nor resources necessary for the program
That's certainly one hell of a cope.

>>65217212
yeah its truly impossible for two people to be faking an image with the same tools

or its just one person with multiple accounts

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>>65217314
Uncanny has a very good history of getting high quality footage of things the Air Force doesn’t necessarily want seen. The UI matches up exactly with the model of camera claimed to be used, and he regularly gets way better stuff than a blurry thermal picture of one F-16 flying over public land. Like this shot of three RQ-170s at Creech for example.

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>>65208296
Implessive.
Next thing you know, the Americans will be cracking the CCP's dogmeat recipes too.

>>65217332
>thinking someone casually snoops around the tightest security on earth, all the time
No US asset is ever "leaked" without three levels of government approval

>>65217383
I’ve argued earlier in the thread that what was caught on camera was a deliberate leak. I would not be surprised if Uncanny knowingly or unknowingly is doing media for the Air Force, according to him he’s had past interactions with the OSI and is very well known to them. In any event he has a good history of producing quality images, and no known history of faking anything. He vouches for the authenticity of the new video, and is also the one who directed the film crew that caught it to the location they did it from, as well as giving them a shopping list of what equipment to use.

>>65217383
>>65217404
Yeah that would about make sense that the best way to reveal it without revealing it would be a blurry leak. More specifically IR showing zero plume at all against a silhouette of a weird confusing design with apparently downurned winglets, would be about the most intimidating way to present it not to the public but to our foes. I also think it not improbable at all it is being prepped for a flyover for the 250th because the current admin would absolutely want to seize on that kind of propaganda and highly prizes messaging and appearance over functionality.

I would also think it is very possibly a demonstrator that actually is not the F-47 but rather involved in the FA/XX program which nobody really talks about and is still not awarded. This actually could be the Northrop demonstrator for all we know - we just don't. But from the teasers and from it rather seeming to have strong X-36+Bird of Prey DNA in it, it does look like F-47.

>>65217750
The lack of exhaust trail is because they are using a thermal scope made for hunters. There’s a pick of a F-16 earlier in the thread that also doesn’t have any. It’s not designed for picking up planes, but was apparently used because it has some of the best commercially available resolution. I have seen someone theorize that you can actually see the engine heat through open landing gear bays, possibly the two white discolorations near the rear of the aircraft. It was likely flying with the gear down as you can see the landing light in the non thermal video.

The 6th generation demonstrator program was well documented in budgets and well reported on by both media and military testimony to Congress. It was called the Aerospace Innovation Initiative and was jointly funded by the USN, USAF, and DARPA. There has been no budgetary evidence of a Navy exclusive demonstrator program, nor any commentary by ranking officials. The Navy also historically does not fund demonstrator flyoffs, only single demonstrators which it is generally more open about than the USAF. Given their budgetary situation this decade it is highly unlikely they have funded an independent demonstrator when they already had access to the data from AII. Northrop is also just in a questionable position when it comes to their ability to make something that isn’t a bomber currently. Their T-X offering was very unimpressive, they left NGAD and were not asked to build an AII demonstrator. While they’re still in the running for F/A-XX, there isn’t much that points to them winning beyond internet fans of the YF-23 hoping they do, and it’s also not clear that they have available space or personnel to actually build it on schedule if they do.

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>>65207569
The answer was in front of us the whole time
https://www.twz.com/air/f-47s-exotic-shape-was-hiding-in-plain-sight-on-a-unit-patch
>also fucking kek, the east coast of China is on the patch too

>>65217790
You seem to think demonstrators HAVE to be government funded, they don't. Independent Research and Development exists.

Especially if they want to use it to "prove" to the government THEIR version deserves to be funded over the other competitor.

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>>65217814
There was a better one that came out of Phantom Works well before that one. If you look at the scarf it shows details that line up with the plane, even the dihedral and anhedral angles of the wings. The Voodoo II designation is likely because the F-101 had a lambda wing.

>>65217820
There is nothing that points to Northrop having built any demonstrator, beyond your desire for Northrop to have built a demonstrator. All available evidence points to this being the winning Boeing entry in the AII fly off.

>>65217834
Nothing points to that really.

In fact it's almost a sure bet boeing WON'T have won the F/A-XX contract. The government is highly unlikely to put BOTH 6th gen programs under a single prime, it gives them a total monopoly on high-end fighter aircraft for the next 40+ years. Just to ensure one company DOESN'T have a monopoly congress is half as likely to force the navy to choose NG even if they WANTED to go with Boeing.

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>>65217871
The aircraft >>65207569 has features that are replicated in both the Boeing demonstrator patch>>65217827 and F-47 program patch >>65217814 with Boeing having a history of hiding the plane in the patch, as they did for Bird of Prey. The features again match with released renders of F-47, which have been overall accurate for any plane I’ve seen them for since the 2010s. Boeing won NGAD handily, while the persistent rumor is Northrop had a very unimpressive offering and left to avoid being eliminated. They have not designed a clean sheet supersonic aircraft since the mid/late 1980s when YF-23 had its design frozen. It is questionable that Northrop has anywhere to build the F/A-XX were they to win, doubly when the Air Force is talking about expanding the B-21 buy to anywhere from 145-200 total airframes. Meanwhile Boeing put billions of their own money into building massive new manufacturing space for 6th generation fighters, well before they officially won F-47, meaning they are the only prime with spare capacity coming online in the right timeframe. From the Northrop earning calls the manufacturing investments they are making have been called out as the accelerate B-21 production, with other money going to fix Sentinel. The last we heard about F/A-XX they said only one prime was in a position to deliver on their desired timetable. Shortly after that Northrop came out to defend their ability to build airplanes, implying that was in fact directed at them. We will know in August apparently, but I don’t think things look good for Northrop.

>>65207569
I don't think us military would break tradition and get a figther with delta cope wing and canards.

Those features are exclusive to third worlders.

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>>65207569
looks like this with the wings tapered into dorito status

>>65217917
How long are you going to seethe in this thread? This can't be good for your health

>>65217871
NG has the B-21 program thoughever. It's not like they're lacking for work.

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>>65217025

>>65218090
They’ve also incurred a $62 billion overrun on Sentinel. That would be enough money to get F-47 and F/A-XX into service and probably at least halfway through their production runs. The Pentagon can’t be very happy with them over that, since for all of Boeing’s underperforming contracts I believe that’s still significantly larger than every cost overrun they’ve incurred since the end of the Cold War and the series of mergers that led to their current form.

>>65212359
>scales not in dB
>frequently not defined
why do you even post this gay shit?

>>65218105
>They’ve also incurred a $62 billion overrun on Sentinel
That's not REALLY NGs fault.

The USAF are the retards, they put out a contract telling bidders to reuse the 50-year-old Minuteman silos without doing the deep engineering and civil studies to see if that was even structurally or technologically possible. NG won a sole-source contract because they were the only bidder left after Boeing dropped out, so it’s not like the Pentagon had options. Once NG actually got into the dirt and started the work, everyone realized how catastrophic the baseline assumptions were. The missile itself is actually mostly on track; the budget explosion is almost entirely from the massive civil engineering disaster of having to tear down, rewire, and build brand-new silos across five states instead of just upgrading the old concrete. Even the Air Force’s own acquisition chief admitted the original strategy was flawed from the start. NG is just executing the nightmare blueprint they were handed.

>>65218155
I don’t think they possibly couldn’t have known what they were getting into there. I would bet the Air Force knew as well, and was mostly trying to avoid giving Congress sticker shock. Anyone who has every worked around anything mid century, even just for a home renovation, would know that the guts of that are so far from modern standard that at best it was going to be a complete gut job where you’re effectively building a new silo in the same footprint as the old one.

>>65218180
I mean, the contract was originally written by the USAF telling the contractor to use the existing infrastructure, the USAF themselves admitted that was a fuckup on their part and totally unrealistic.

It's wholly the USAFs fault.

>>65207783
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>>65209523
https://hkxb.buaa.edu.cn/EN/abstract/abstract17714.shtml

Researchers from the China Aviation Industry Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (they are students, not the oroginal aircraft designers at Chengdu) studied the RCS of canard-configured fighter aircraft. They found that the canard layout can be as stealthy as conventional layouts after suppressing or eliminating specific scattering features. The study suggests four key principles for stealthy canard design:
>The canard wing’s edge should be arranged to reduce RCS peak values, utilizing the main wing’s stronger peak values to cover smaller ones from the canard.
>The trailing edge of the canard wing should be chamfered to reduce aerodynamic drag and RCS.
>Absorbing wave structures should be applied to the wing’s edges and wingtips for low-frequency and high-frequency stealth.
>High-frequency absorbing coatings should be used in the gap area between the canard wing and the fuselage to suppress gap scattering, with careful consideration of coating size and placement.
>The researchers used the multi-layer fast multipole method (MLFMM) to calculate RCS and conducted experiments to analyze edge scattering and gap scattering effects. The study concludes that with these design principles, the canard configuration can be effectively applied in high-stealth aircraft design.
For zoomers too afraid of using Google translate just tell Grok to fart out a summary

>>65218200
All I’m saying is they spent almost $10 billion to buy the only contractor who could possibly build the boosters, which is why Boeing dropped out leading to the single source contract, and are now overseeing a contract with a value almost 2x the original. I think that’s a very happy coincidence for them, and they probably had a very good idea of how all this was going to go.
>>65218203
There’s a lot of publicly available research on this from NASA dating back to iirc the 90s that would probably be better to link if you want it to be taken seriously. It lends a lot more credibility than saying it’s from Chinese students.

>>65218210
Students might've been a wrong way to call them since they're all aeronautical engineers. Researchers is better.
Anyways the dudes at Chengdu are the first ones that dared to put canards on a supposedly stealth jet so maybe they know something

>>65218139
>frequency not defined
Look again.

>>65218220
They put them dihedral to the wing, making it a much more prominent reflector than they otherwise would’ve been, so I do question just how much they knew at the time.

>>65218210
You're right about the Orbital ATK buyout. That was a textbook anti-competitive power move by Northrop. But Northrop isn't making money on the infrastructure explosion. The contract value doubled, but that extra $60+ billion isn't going into Northrop's pockets for building missiles. It's going to civil engineering, copper/fiber-optic laying, concrete pouring, and real estate acquisition across five states. NG is a defense tech firm, not a commercial construction mega-corp; they have to subcontract a massive chunk of that out.

So yeah, Northrop absolutely cornered the market to guarantee they won the contract. But the fact that the program is now a $140B dumpster fire is still fundamentally because the Air Force fucked up in the original proposal that asked contractors to use the existing infrastructure to save costs.

>>65218244
Yeah, fair enough I’ll concede the point.

>>65217080
But anon, that is black and the B21 is white, therefore you are wrong and I am smart.

>>65213155
Why does it have blue eyes? :)