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>>65209335
x99999

>>65209335
I wouldn’t. I’d just post tsmc engineers more to make a foundry in china.
>>65209343
Elegant

>>65209345
What’s a tsmc engineer? Are we betting on industrial accidents to push the party into an invasion? Tracked Stamp presses rolling ashore to crush the ROK? Fascinating idea.

>>65209335
i wouldn't. I'd immediately cease hostilities, normalize relations, and in 75 more years when they're no longer hostile offer them a seat in governance.

>>65209335
The import thing is to get boots on the ground quick, so I'd save up a huge stockpile of weapons to bombard Taiwan as I launch the assault. Also long range ASuW weapons to deter any nation from supporting Taiwan, and ballistic to strike their bases. But the main focus is a solid foothold of Taiwan at any cost, once we can support our troops due to sheer numbers and amount of weaponry we should be able to take the island. Once the Island is ours no one would be able to take it from us, and if allies declare war against us they will only be able to bitch and moan.

>>65209335
Stockpile a ridiculous amount of missiles and drones, hold "naval exercises" to mass landing troops nearby, have 5th columnists start violent protests, use the police response as my causus belli, stealth fighter strike major radar and communication facilities, send huge waves of drones to take a massive shit on the coastal defenders, zerg rush my landing troops to establish a beach head, roll from there.
Establishing air dominance is where the whole thing succeeds or fails. If the landings get stalled then everything will go to shit, and they absolutely will get stalled if the initial air ops don't overcome the Taiwanese air force and ADA. The whole thing HAS to have developed unstoppable momentum before Taiwan can appeal to allies. If it looks like Taiwan can put in even half the competent resistance that Ukraine gave Russia then I drop biological agents on the fuckers and start flattening and burning the urban centers. The island of Formosa will return to Party control, with or without its inhabitants.

>>65209567
Based

>>65209553
>>65209567

Would the current Iran/US situation be an example in bombardment and air superiority? It seemed the us is either unwilling to go all the way or incapable of suppressing the units launching these weapons, and still at risk by anti air weapons. Could China feasibly establish beachheads and those mulberry harbor things if in this situation? Is sead still possible in this era?

>>65209335
>If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?

I would not invade Taiwan. I would invade the Philippines.

>>65209599
>It seemed the us is either unwilling to go all the way or incapable of suppressing the units launching these weapons, and still at risk by anti air weapons
Trump got suckered into fighting a tarbaby by the Israelis. Regime change is a fantasy. The US has no "go all the way" option because a land invasion is even more of a fantasy.

>>65209621
>>65209599
Ayatollah status? That's what I thought, silly turdies. Go eat shit (I know it's a delicacy in your Muslim shithole)

>>65209667
What the fuck are you even talking about

>>65209677
Did you miss your ESL lessons Abdul?

>>65209667
Your inability to see the situation for what it is doesn't change the facts. The US involvement in the Iran campaign was ill-advised, costly, and has achieved nothing of value. Domestically the inflation caused by the war is hurting everyday Americans. Strategically the US has depleted critical munitions stocks without achieving any lasting goals. Internationally the US acting unilaterally, being spurned by allies, then asking China for help (and not getting it) made the US look weak and eroded goodwill. Politically the Iranian war has caused divisions and rancor within the Republican party and given the Democrats a drum to beat in the mid terms. Trump is caught between the "no more foreign adventures" crowd and the "we have not done enough for Israel" crowd in his own party, and is exhibiting a paralysis of leadership. The House just voted to pull Trump's ability to wage war, and even if the Senate rejects it that is a huge message to Trump that this is an unpopular war. His negotiations have been "close to a deal" for weeks. He can't just walk away from this and let them take his name off of it like the Kennedy Center. He owns this, and it's not going well.
Brag about a dead ayatolla all you want. Brag about a piece of shit converted container ship being sunk. Brag about a fleet of grounded F-14s being destroyed. Blow the dust off the "the politicians wouldn't let our boys fight to win" excuse. The Iran war is not going to give the US a decisive win and has tarnished the shine of the USN, which is going to be disastrous in the long term.

>>65209553
Also, has the Ukraine war changed your views on airborne or air mobile operations like we saw in the opening days of the invasion? Would helicopter or parachute infantry taking key routes and airports be feasible/something considered, or is anti air a roadblock?

>>65209726
I used to believe that as an air assault soldier I'd die on the LZ. Now I believe that I'd die in the helo before I got anywhere near the LZ.

>>65209553
>But the main focus is a solid foothold of Taiwan at any cost
Saunds like Ukraine kino

>>65209567
> If it looks like Taiwan can put in even half the competent resistance that Ukraine gave Russia then I drop biological agents on the fuckers and start flattening and burning the urban centers. The island of Formosa will return to Party control, with or without its inhabitants.
Cringe and vatnik-brained.
Avoid all the war crimes and attacks on civilians, offer unconditional amnesty to all Taiwanese government/military personnel if they stop resisting, broadcast to the populace that nothing about their lives will change except the upper management, run the "one country, two systems" deal for a couple of decades, until eventually assimilating them like Hong Kong.
But that requires the CCP not to be vatniks, which they are.

>>65209335
Literally just wait, there won't be anyone left on taiwan in a few decades due to their birth rates, whatever vietnamese of jeet labour force they bring in to fill the gaps will flee on the first day of fighting

I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen.

>>65209769
Is the will to resist really there? If it’s a spectrum, from immediate surrender when they see the mainland is serious all the way to “To the last bullet, to the last man”, where do you see them falling?

>>65209778
A party member is talking, listen and learn.

>>65209769
I firmly believe that China does not need to invade Taiwan, but the OP was asking how to do it.

>>65209335
>how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?
Nukes
>that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever
idc, I want things to happen

>>65209784
It’s difficult to judge those things before they happen. There wasn’t much will in oinkraine to resist ziggers (fucking dress uniforms??) and today it’s the fifth year of war.

1 option
>wait until SMIC or Huawei develop a better litography machines than ASML and bankrupt Taiwan economy by selling cheaper chips

2 option
>naval and air exercises every month even during typhon seasons to prop their defenses for months, send drones to violate their air space everyday
>keep it for days while acquire intel and build a 5th column inside Taiwan specially with the KMT, also build the most gargantum stockpile of missiles and drones
>SEAD and throw everything at them, destroy everything that has any military value and cannot be take in the first hours of the invasion
>send a few hundreds SOFs with weapons and explosive disguise as tourist to destroy radars and AA systems

Whatever the plan, it includes cannibalism. Chinese plans always include cannibalism.

>>65209335
Start with a massive SEAD / DEAD / CAP air op to secure air superiority and blockade the ports from the air.
From there I would probably try dropping leaflets saying it's a losing war and your government is going to die but there is no reason for you to die with them.
Then launch a 2 prong landing along the east coast.

>>65209852
The plans don't include cannibalism, that's just a side effect or them not including logistics either.

>>65209335
How deep is the Taiwan Strait anyway? Could West Taiwan just dam it with human corpses and simply walk over?

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>>65209777
Uh oh, stinky!

>>65209777
Yes bro they'll flee a fucking island under siege, genius

>>65209916
See, this is complicated. The bugman land bridge would be necessary for actual deployment onto Taiwan, yet would cut into the supply of dual purpose ration/infantry units available. There’s probably something in the art of war about this.

Nothing wrong with eating your enemy

>>65209917
Even in that scenario china will have more fighting age men than there are whites in the world, meanwhile taiwan will have what, 4 million people in total? Also taiwan is aging faster than china

>>65209611
I would invade Korea. North then south.

>>65209953
only retards would invade

all you need is to blockade them and wait
it works since the ancient times

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>>65209987
>>65209777
That scenario is actually massively over optimistic considering it projects as if things are ever going to "even out".
Optimistic fools look at a .5 birthrate and say "in 100 years of .5 birthrates we'll have X population!", when it's not going to stop going down, if anything it's going to go down faster and faster.

Couple that with the fact that the only people breeding in China are not Han, they're not metropolitan, and they're not going to transmogrify into either via the Monkey King's 72 transformations.

>>65209599
No, the US is terrified of losing planes and ships and lives against Iran, if we want to take Taiwan we need to accept at the start we could face some decent losses. The biggest worry would be failing to take Taiwan quickly, as that'd give time for America and others to place greater forces/defences in the area. Once we capture Taiwan the US will not be able to take it off of us due to its proximity with the mainland.
>>65209726
No, they are always perilous, but some times necessary. We need to overwhelm Taiwan by putting as many bodies on the island.
>>65209752
Yeah, could go very wrong, but if we want to take it I see that as the best method. If the US swarms the area with assets and puts manpower of Taiwan, it would be a very long painful war of attrition which in my eyes should be avoided.

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>>65210178
Minorities can and do join the military as a way to move up socially

>>65210355
lmao

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>>65209335
The PLA needs a complete force restructuring before it can be considered a competent and capable modern military. As it stands now, they have zero strategies that will lead to success and zero potential tech/equipment acquisitions that could lead to success, because the PLA has such deeply rooted systemic problems and Taiwan is inherently a tough nut to crack.
>>65209345
They've spent an absolute fortune on semiconductor tech and production, including poaching engineers from virtually every company, but they're still like a decade behind and the gap is widening. The US sanctions have actually crippled their semiconductor fab plans, and with the Dutch being fully on board or even more aggressive than the USA, that's not going to change
>>65209540
The problem is that the chinese are increasingly realizing that's not going to happen. As time goes on and people grow ever more distant from the time when the countries were united, reunification will be increasingly unwanted by the Taiwanese and to a lesser degree the mainlanders too. It doesn't help that Xi is currently setting conditions for China to destabilize somewhat after he dies (purging all possible successors, allowing infrastructure to languish, pursuing unsustainable public works and military projects, etc)
>>65209987
Numbers really do not matter in this scenario, honestly. When your task is to ferry men across a sea to assault a fortified island with only 3 viable landing points, you can only do so much at a time. This is exacerbated by the fact that the Chinese plan is genuinely what people mock them for: to commandeer a bunch of fishing boats and use them as troop transports. Those would be slow, fat, and completely defenseless; a perfect hunting ground for munitions of all kinds.

Even once they land, the geography of Taiwan is extremely unfavorable for an attacker, pic related. It is arguably the most defensible large island in the world.

>>65209724
>costly
pffftttt

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>>65209724
Yeah yeah we get it, you get all your news from thirdie twitter feeds and take everything they say at face value. Honestly I'm not even sure how you come to some of these conclusions even with those thirdie feeds - "tarnished the shine of the USN" like what, why?

>>65211123
The eastern half looks incredibly unpleasant to attack. As an addendum to what you’ve said, has China actually fought any in conflict since the Vietnam invasion? Even then I don’t think that one went particularly well either and that’s a shared land border.

>>65209553
The US and its allies spent like a month bombing Iraq in the 90s prior to the actual land invasion. Maybe do that instead of following the Ukraine playbook.

>>65209335
>>>
this is going to sound retarded, because it is,
but I would invest heavily in glider forces and unmanned puller-planes
I would also invest in semi-submersible landing craft, again controlled remotely rather than crewed

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>>65211276
>The eastern half looks incredibly unpleasant to attack.
Very. I was just there recently for vacation actually - here's what it looks like from the ground. It is effectively impassable for heavy equipment, and even for personal vehicles it is perilous to navigate through the highland roads. Also, those three viable landing points I mentioned? One of them is that hemmed-in triangular pocket at the top of the image on the east side - so really, it's just 2 landing points, and one of those is basically just a head-on assault on Taipei.
>has China actually fought any in conflict since the Vietnam invasion? Even then I don’t think that one went particularly well either and that’s a shared land border.
No, and it is possibly because of that Vietnam invasion, which was a catastrophic failure and a massive embarrassment that reduced their power projection in the region. Since then, China has avoided military intervention of any kind outside of its own borders (some limited Uyghur antiterrorism ops, but those are more like SWAT raids than anything else). Sometimes this hesitancy to intervene is to a comical extent, such as refusing to deploy assets to protect its shipping in the Red Sea from Houthi attacks, and a while back there was an incident where a Chinese UN peacekeeping regiment basically just let a bunch of aid workers die because they were afraid to confront some disorganized African militia, and even retreated from said militia. To me, it's a clear pattern of trying to avoid real engagements that could betray a quality of troops and equipment that is far lower than they claim, but that's just speculation. What isn't speculation is the fact that China has zero modern-day combat experience whatsoever. To be fair, neither does Taiwan, but unlike Taiwan, China also has a pants-on-head retarded military structure, with their infantry being particularly stupid.

>>65209335
There's no need for an invasion at all. I'd reunify the country simply by acknowledging its rightful government.

>>65211370
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>>65211293
If you doing that you are letting the US build up their forces in the region. Fighting the US and Taiwan is much harder than trying to rush Taiwan.

China now has two contemporary examples of a great power launching a war in the belief it would be quick and easy, getting that part wrong and the resulting fiasco becoming a quagmire that drains blood, treasure and influence. Regardless of the specific tactics or operations decided upon, China needs any such military approach to Taiwan to be swift and decisive, and thus needs to be brutally honest and even pessimistic about itself and the prospects of victory. Because if Taiwan rebuffs the initial assault we will be three for three. They come at the king, they best not miss. Can they be so accurate in their assessment of success? No idea.

>>65209335

China’s most likely strategy would be to wait for a moment of maximum U.S. distraction, most plausibly during a contentious American election, then launch a massive, overwhelming “zerg rush” of missiles, drones, and invasion forces against Taiwan.

Speed is everything. If Chinese forces can seize key airports and ports in the first 48-72 hours, they can airlift in reinforcements and shift the balance decisively. But if the initial assault stalls and they end up crammed into a small, vulnerable beachhead, the operation risks collapse. In that scenario, their resupply ships would become high-value targets for Taiwanese and American strikes, potentially dooming the entire campaign.

Unlike Russia’s improvisational invasion of Ukraine, China is not winging this. Decades of dedicated planning, stockpiling, and force-building have gone into a Taiwan contingency. Beijing will almost certainly only pull the trigger when it believes it has several times the minimum forces and equipment required for success.

For Taiwan, the single best (though difficult) outcome would be the removal of Xi Jinping. If a rival faction within the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regained power, they would likely spend years consolidating control and purging Xi loyalists. Those factions have historically prioritized economic growth over military adventurism. Their long-term vision for “reunification” has always been to make mainland China so prosperous and powerful that Taiwan would eventually choose integration for economic reasons rather than being forced into it by war.

>>65211408
Hey retard, you can't mass forces on (mainland) shore in 48-72 hours. No matter what, the invasion will have weeks if not months of observable buildup, and probably plenty of warning of specific plans via espionage. There is no surprise attack, it's a fantasy that falls apart when you consider the actual logistics of waging a war - and logistics are, of course, the heart of a successful military.

>>65211373
So don’t let them build up. The Chinese have masses of long range anti ship missiles for this very reason.

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>>65211301
POV: you're a chinese mobik
what do?

>>65211520
Use my vastly superior air force, huge number or satellites and own much, much larger arsenal of drones to scout positions before sending in armored vehicles?

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>>65211538
Anon, I'm the guy who took that photo, so let me tell you - that environment is pretty dense jungle. Obscuring positions and even equipment from air recon, including thermal-equipped assets, would not be difficult.
>>65211519
>A massive surprise attack on the US navy, forcing the US to enter a full scale war against you
surely this will have no consequences whatsoever, Mr. Hirohito

>>65209335
>If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?
I would not attempt it.

>>65211587
>surely this will have no consequences whatsoever, Mr. Hirohito
Trump licked Xi's nuts tenfold during his visit. He even bought 12 trillion dollars with all the CEOs and the chinese only bought 300 planes to placate America. The Chinese don't give a fuck about America and see them as a failing empire. Under Trump, America is weak and Xi will strike during the 2028 election. I will be called a shill for this but look at everything Trump is doing and tell me that he's strengthining America's position against China and not weakening it with a straight face.

>>65209335
Why would I invade my own clay?

>>65211378
The crossing and initial invasion alone will almost certainly be a bloodbath of ridiculous proportions, even if successful. The next steps being, if landing on the west coast, a slog through dense urban areas, closely spaced villages, and wide open flats of farmland. I’m not an expert at all, but this seems like a real quagmire if the ROC military puts up a competent fight. God forbid the eastern half, would probably be better served just starving them out or going the suribachi route.

>>65211587
It’s not WW2 anymore. America’s the one fighting a much larger industrial power this time around.

>>65211414

You just keep that build up happening for months and months if not years.
Right now Chinese ships regularly fire missiles over Taiwan and surround it every few months. When they do it they also do larger and larger ground exercises and send their airforce closer and closer to the target cities.
You get why they are doing this over and over. It is designed to mask the time they will do it for real. You can expect a crescendo of these training exercises leading up to the invasion.
Anyway even if you have good Intel that the attack might come in the upcoming weeks what are you going to do? Attack china in a preventive strike and be seen as the agressor? I don't think so.
Everyone will know that the attack could be coming in the near future but being sure exactly when is much harder.
The Chinese will definetly have a big diplomatic smokescreen too.

>>65211371
I don't think you understand. The Republic of China (aka "Taiwan") is the rightful government of all of China. If I were in charge of the PLA and tasked with reunification, I would simply support the country's legitimate government.

>>65211809
It's not WW2 anymore. Having massive low tech industrial output doesn't win wars against technologically superior foes.
>>65211842
The kind of invasion force needed to capture Taiwan is many times larger than any exercise, and would be identified as such. If they tried doing it with few enough men that it could be called a big exercise, well, take a look at the russian performance in the opening stages of the war to see how that went. And then think about how much easier they had it, invading flat terrain in a neighbor they share a large border with and already have proxy militias in.

>>65211842
I don't think it is particularly practical to keep a couple of million soldiers activated and drilling in exercises for months if not years on end, n or is it practical to have the logistics capacity to ship all those bodies and their sustainment across the strait ready to go all that time. I cannot overstate the sheer fucking amount of stuff that needs to be moved to make the successful invasion of Taiwan a remotely plausible outcome. You are literally looking at the largest amphibious operation ever as a bare minimum requirement. That kind of force buildup is extremely costly, and cannot be masked in any way. As soon as it starts happening, Taiwan and its allies are getting ready for a war, and they will be able to maintain that footing for longer than China can afford to because of how much extra material is needed just to enable an amphibious invasion.

As for what China's enemies can do if they get advanced warning, the answer is surge materials into Taiwan and surrounding friendly territory. China might be able to sneak attack and sink a single US carrier that isn't expecting an attack, but it isn't going to be able to do the same thing to 6 carrier strike groups that are on high alert due to the impending invasion, and the same thing applies to land based assets as well.

>>65211952
>You are literally looking at the largest amphibious operation ever as a bare minimum requirement.
This is honestly an understatement. It would make D-Day look like a small operation by comparison.

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>>65211520

>>65211587
I wouldn't put it past china to just napalm the entire islands foliage off
Wouldn't be the first time they destroy a whole region of ecosystem at size of a medium country

>>65211958
Chicoms getting scythed like wheat as they storm up the beaches, landing craft getting smoked before they even approach, ballistic missiles falling as aircraft tear each other to pieces above. It will be metal

>>65209611
I would invade the Russian far east, literally impossible for them to counter it atm.

>>65209343
One word: Bugoid Population Collapse. They ain't making chinks as disposable as they used to.

>>65209335
Honestly who gives a shit how or even when it happens. The question is what do things look like internationally afterwards?

>>65212287
China potentially in a similar place as after 1989? Except maybe worse. Cost of life on both sides would be staggering, Taiwan essentially leveled if they put up a reasonable resistance. US kinda looking like cucks if they don’t do anything. China having more sway in the South China Sea, heavy legitimacy boost for reunifying the country.

>>65209335
go to bed Xi

>>65212278
I wonder of China has ever considered doing the opposite of the one child policy and doing a lebensborn type thing?

>>65212295
>legitimacy boost
lol, lmao even

>>65212343
Towards their own population, I doubt the wider world is going to be impressed by Taipei being turned into chink Stalingrad.

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Chink get ack-ed

>>65211952
D Day would probably be larger, Taiwan is smaller population and land wise.

>>65212527
the straight is like 100 miles though

>>65209335
First I would open up the strait of hormuz, because my oil reserve for such an operation is getting drained at a retarded rate.

>>65209335
>If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?
I'd coup Xi the moment he says "guys it's time let's invade Taiwan", because it's not worth it.

>>65212648
strait
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>>65212698
i'm very sleep deprived pls don't yell

We all agree China wouldn't be able to pull off the mega-sized Taiwan-D-day style operation, but here's a question I haven't heard before:

Could the US?

>>65212648
The channel is 35 miles at the narrowest, many landing craft took much longer because they were at further bases

>>65209335
Step 1: Blockade Taiwan
Step 2: If America interferes embargo them until they back off
Step 3: Without food Taiwan surrenders

>>65209953
But if they cut down the food supply they also don't need as much rations to begin with?
>>65210156
>only retards would invade
So when is the invasion?

>>65210429
Anon China is a Han ethnostate. It is designed around Han Supremacy and Han exclusivity. It's not going to survive the Han having a birthrate of .6, .5, .4, .3... etc to nil.

The birthrate isn't going to stop going down. It's not leveling off.

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>>65211809

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>>65209335
i fully believe either TSMC and/or taiwan has bombs under & inside TSMC
they will set it off if china invades & they get the slightest hint the world isnt going to come to their rescue asap or they are going to lose
i do not see an outcome where military action is taken in taiwan & TSMC survives

>>65212777
It'd be pretty retarded to create a self harming deterrent then not tell anyone about it

>>65212750
and Taiwan's is more than double that, idk how much that would truly affect things it just seems like an absolute pain in the ass that goes up with each mile

>>65212781
i believe the west likely knows about it and wants it or agrees with it
if china does invade & china gets full access to TSMC, cutting off the west from it then we are just going to bomb TSMC so china cant use it
having bombs already planted there makes it easier and gets rid of aggression, the US didnt bomb china/taiwan if TSMC got blown to bits, it was just taiwan doing it
china doesnt have much they can do since independent taiwan wouldnt exist after china takes over so the 'bad guy' who blew up TSMC wouldn't exist anymore

If I were me, I wouldn't.
If I were a soulless slant-eyed bugman I'd throw human waves at them until they were overwhelmed then enjoy a nice bowl of freshly boiled dog.

>spend weeks or months blockading the country and putting immense political pressure on the government to accept reunification
>only when that fails and negotiations break down start sending scores of VLO drones like gj-11/21 to hunt patriot batteries, fixed radar sites, parked airplanes and anything that emits
>follow that up with manned aircraft for a larger scale bombing campaign that lasts for weeks
>send marines and amphibious brigades to secure beaches only after the surrounding 30 miles around them are throughly sterilized of life
>THEN finally send the bulk of your armed forces over through landing barges or whatever
This is the only viable way to take Taiwan and likely what’s going to happen. Every square inch of the earth is under near constant surveillance in 2026 (or at least military flashpoints are), you can’t move around millions of troops and their vehicles and equipment in secret, you can’t airlift anywhere even close to enough soldiers to take over a country of 20 million let alone their weapons, tanks, ifvs, etc. and trying to launch an amphibious landing while all the enemy’s air force, navy, air defense, ashm launchers and radars are intact is just peak retardation. It would make Ukraine look like Desert Storm.

On the flip side though, once China wins the naval war and manages to secure a bridge for their troops to land on the island, they can throw infinitely more resources at it than the Taiwanese can and they can surround it and cut it off from western resupply and starve it out unlike Ukraine. If we’re at the the point that a Chinese battalion commander is worried about fpv drones or tow missiles then the war is pretty much already over anyway.

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>>65212765
>china embargoing the united states
The funniest part is that I know you actually believe this, a shitpost wouldn't be so straight-faced
>>65212719
In absolute terms yes. The US has the air and naval assets needed to run fuckhuge amphibious operations, and this is baked into decades of force structuring doctrine too. Politically, though? That's dicey.

>>65211378
Cardboard ayatollah status?

>>65212899
>spend weeks or months blockading the country
You've already lost because this triggers American and Japanese intervention.

>>65212939
The Chinese have enough ASBMs to sink both their navies many times over. If the Americans are too scared to attempt to wrest control of the Hormuz away from Iran, they sure as fuck aren’t getting involved in this fight.

>>65212967
implessive

>>65212967
China has lots of ASBMs, and they have very long range ASBMs. What they don't have is lots of very long range ASBMs. They can deter an American blockade of the Chinese mainland, but they can't do anything about American stealth aircraft destroying their pickets and amphibious assets, not to mention their shipyards and commercial shipping. Even assuming China could carry out an invasion of Taiwan despite US intervention, this is not EU4 and China does not get a ticking warscore increase for holding the island. Did conquering France or Belgium or Poland do the Germans any good when years later their military was destroyed and their country was split in half?

>>65213046
Yeah but Xi will be dead by the time "years later" comes around, so it's simply not his problem

>>65213046
They can deal with American stealth aircraft by sinking the carriers they launch from and bombing the shit out of any country that decides to let the US fly sorties out of their airports with their own stealth aircraft. And US shipping is just as vulnerable to Chinese submarines. They can retaliate tit for tat on that front. The same US that is too risk averse to do anything about Iran likely isn’t going to decide having their entire pacific fleet sunk to the bottom of the ocean, their eastern bases turned to ruble and their shipping and economy turned to shambles is a worthwhile trade off for delaying an inevitable Chinese victory over Taiwan for a few weeks.

>>65212967
The US can just bomb Chinese docks with impunity unless China has some turbo quantum bing bong radars.

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>>65212967
ASBMs need guidance to targets and Chinese equipment has already been shown to be extremely susceptible to American EW assets. This has already been proven real world multiple times.
Your argument is invalid

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>>65213111
>unless China has some turbo quantum bing bong radars

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>>65213273
>/k/ - Weapons

>>65213108
>They can deal with American stealth aircraft by sinking the carriers they launch from
No they can't. They have extremely limited numbers of missiles with the kind of range needed to do this, much fewer than the US has interceptors capable of dealing with them.

>and bombing the shit out of any country that decides to let the US fly sorties out of their airports with their own stealth aircraft.
China has no stealth aircraft. Give it a few years though, maybe they'll finally manage it with the J-36.

>And US shipping is just as vulnerable to Chinese submarines.
Most Chinese submarines are limited to operations off the Chinese coast, and those that aren't are bad designs by 1970s standards. Once again, we can give it a few years, maybe the prototype Type 095 will actually be better than an improved Los Angeles. They're still decades out from a Virginia equivalent, though.

>>65213108
>um ackshually all of America's naval and air power is irrelevant because china has [FLAVOR OF THE MONTH WUNDERWAFFEN] and can also [HILARIOUSLY UNREALISTIC PLAN]

>>65212928
>The US has the air and naval assets needed to run fuckhuge amphibious operations
I do not believe the US has the landing craft for such an operation. It is likely been incredibly scaled down to the point of maybe landing 20,000 marines

>>65209343
God just imagine all the dead chinks washing up to shore? The waters would literally be running red.

>>65211809
>bombs your factories and ports
What now bug boy?

>>65214124
Well yeah, but you don't need a hundred thousand men to secure a beachhead and airstrip when you have air and naval supremacy. With that done, the US can use its absolutely massive airlift capabilities to bring reinforcements. Rapid air-facilitated deployment is basically the whole US doctrine. Plus in a pinch you'd probably have at least one or two airborne brigades ready to join that 20k.

>>65212967
How have you people not yet figured out that ballistic missiles are shit?

>>65209335
>eastern mountains
Destiny is in the west.

>>65214124
The survivability of a landing craft in a contested landing is estimated to be about nil these days. You’d probably have to do the first wave(s) as an air assault until a beachhead is secure, but your odds there really aren’t much better. Defender’s advantage is probably the strongest it has been since the advent of modern warfare.

>>65214179
Air reinforcement requires airfields to be secured and kept un-cratered, that's no small thing in a little country like Taiwan. No country on Earth has the ability to take Taiwan by conventional means at acceptable cost, short of attempting to starve them out.

>>65212967
The US isn't willing to wrest control of the strait way because doing so requires boots on the ground which will inevitably escalate into a 20-40 year occupation of a middle eastern nation.

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>>65209667
Hormuz status? Oh, right, despite declaring victory 10+ times and threatening mass civilian death in impotent rage multiple times, Iran continues to fuck and nut in Trump's Hormuzy each and every day month after month. Remember when convoys were going to happen within the first month? I remember.

This has been a total embarrassment, rape for Kegsbreath and Blumph.

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>>65209667
I am against america fighting wars for Israel and being a slave to jews and I am against immigration from middle eastern countries

Why won't Taiwan just build nukes?

>>65215227
dude so true just build nukes lol what could go wrong 4head

>>65212524
Wh
How do the flood waters run backwards? Are other dams getting hit in this hypothetical?

>>65212781
DOCTOR STRANGELOVE REFERENCE WOOOO

>>65212808
It's supposed to deter China, not the US. From a US-taiwan perspective, Taiwan doesn't want a self destruct, as it's an incentive to defend Taiwan so the fabs don't fall into Chinese hands. Pre-installing the bombs lowers the cost to America.

>>65215207
>>65215224
>seething so hard they resorted to posting slop

>>65211378
And philosophically the current government will be very conservative about actions that could threaten long-term stability. Wolf Warrior shit is low risk. If they swing and strike out they’ll get sanctioned into the shadow realm. Suddenly internal dissent would matter once more.

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>>65209852

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>>65209335
Not try to bum rush the beaches like the face obsessed implessive idiots will do. Naval siege to starve them out is the only realistic option. Terror bombing will just piss them off and harden resolve

Biggest unknown is how korea and japan will react to the siege. They know that they will be attacked next if taiwan gets occupied. US is a non factor for now. All you need to do is bribe trump and his family with a few billions and they will veto and sabotage any action congress might try to take

>>65213108
angry chinkshill meltdown lmao.

>>65209335
I would do to the US what the US did to the USSR, I.E. make a bunch of fake wunderwaffe and get them to bankrupt themselves trying to stay ahead and they tear themselves apart socially because they're weak cultural slaves to jewery at every angle.

I would keep Taiwan under threat until the US ultimately collapses in on itself and ceases to be a super power, then normalize relations.

So basically I'd do EXACTLY what China is actually doing

>>65215694
>sanctioned
I mean there's a very real chance that they'd be completely blockaded and embargoed. And say what you will about Iran, but it is proving that the US is effective at enforcing a blockade.

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>>65216028
>he thinks china has better long term stability than the US
This is untrue for a variety of reasons, many of which have been mentioned ITT, but you're not interested in reality anyway so I'll just say you're a huge fucking faggot and leave it at that.

>when jidf has to crowdsource solutions after finding out that they're on the doctrinal and industrial back foot but the well already got poisoned by their own hands
You love to see it

>>65212777
TSMC was founded in 1980.
The PRC and KMT have been declaring that they are each the rightful government of One China since 1949.
The PRC's claim over Taiwan and insistence that it's an internal matter between Chinese people and not subject to foreign interference has nothing to do with TSMC.

>>65211408
In any scenario it's hard to imagine the Chinese coming out ahead.
Taking Taiwan will be political suicide. China will have to deal with a permanent blockade, loss of trade between Europe, and the USA, and a dwindling number of friends abroad. You get 27 million people who don't recognize the PRC's rule and an export oriented economy that will have its exports cut substantially. Probable economic collapse, mass unemployment, and the PRC may lose the war politically instead of militarily.

>>65216138
>rambling about jidf
>in a china-taiwan thread
schizo moment

>>65209335
>surrender to taiwan
>country is now unified
>hold election
>1 billion votes for ccp
just as shrimple as that

>>65212524
>water flowing upstream when you break a dam.

Some retard made this.

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>>65215631
>saun dann
>slop

>>65216133
america is 40% White while importing millions of H1B Indian slaves and china is 98% Han chinese, all china has to do is wait 100 years and america will be a Latinx/muttling economic zone that was drained by zog

>>65209335
>trying to take a heavily fortified island
I simply wouldn't, I'd rush the euv tech tree by stealing the technology and talent, and then I'd steal the high tech manufacturing talent and technology from Taiwan and then outcompete every Taiwanese business with scale and government subsidies, and then twenty years later when nobody cared about Taiwan I'd just hong kong them
BTW this is exactly what china is doing

>>65216879
>han chinese
modern day chinese have more mongolian and manchurian blood in them than actual Han chinese, kek. mutt trying to bring others down to his level

>>65211123
>the gap is widening
I don't think this is the case, they managed to build an euv light source, mostly by just stealing technology and talent, but nonetheless they are gearing up to try to possibly manufacture at scale by 2030
I don't really know how the next frontier after euv is shaping up, but I don't expect to see it take off before china can brute force its own onshore manufacturing
I imagine that if they can get euv running at any scale, that will shrink the gap by such a large margin that whatever small advances in euv processes are made by the likes of tsmc in the meantime result in a much smaller gap than exists today
A fascinating chain of events will play out in the next ten years, my assessment is that china will move before 2035 to seize Taiwan, but that they will still hold massive leverage in the rare earth supply, and that this is what will likely win them the island; because the West won't want to actually commit to their defence

>>65216879
Whatever you do, don't look at a Chinese population pyramid

>>65217114
that's almost like 90% similar to Han, its like German and Swedish, meanwhile burgers had a 90% White country and tossed it away to Indians and zog\

>>65217217
the same thing can be said about america and Europe too, even if chinas population decreases to like 400 MIL it will still be majority Chinese, they also didn't let in millions of Indians and give immigrants handouts. The average white American is almost 45 years old while the imported Latinx and Indian slaves are young and will just get revenge because they're resentful browns

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>>65217222
>the same thing can be said about America and Europe too
Unfortunately, it can't :(

>>65217229
yeah you imported millions of Latinx, bantus, and Indians bro. any normal people would rather see their population decrease than get replaced by ziggers, Indian zionists, and Latinx lmao

>>65217237
>yeah you imported millions of Latinx, bantus, and Indians bro.
Millions of Americans, anon, imported millions of Americans
And no, normal people would not rather see their country implode

>>65217261
>Millions of Americans, anon, imported millions of Americans
LMFAO. Im glad you zioinist tourists here just view america as an economic zone, not a place with an established racial heritage. The Somalian that was brought in from a christcuck charity 5 minutes ago is as American as the anglo Saxon whose people founded your country.

you imported brown slave labour by your capatalist masters to create ethnic tensions with Americans.

America is not an ally of Europe at all, just a jewish economic zone

now post guns with timestamp

>>65217184
An EUV that does nothing and cannot be modified to do anything, sure. Estimates are 7-10 years before they can use it in any industrial capacity.

>>65217222
>w-well the guys who conquered and raped us were totally like us, so it doesn't count!
raped

>>65217289
okay Martinez calm down, trump is going to bring in 40 million Indians and you will pay 400$ for a tank of gas and pay for Israeli healthcare, chinkspammer was right , most mongols got btfo and now Mongolia is half chink

>>65217184
Anon, there was nearly 40 years between the invention of EUV and its implementation in commercial fab processes, and for more than half of that it's been just around the corner with just a couple more kinks to work out. If the chinks could just steal the entire production pipeline outright they would have done it already. Clearly they can't, and so they're going to have to make it work properly on their own. What makes you think it will take less than the decades it took everyone else?

>>65217287
The implessive part of it is that they managed to circumvent the existing defenses against industrial espionage, I know the thing that was in the news was just a factory sized light source, but I can't help but think that it represents the fruit of the state's combined efforts to rush the euv tech tree
Last I heard the current prediction of manufacturing at scale is five to ten years away, but to be honest I don't really understand the technology or the hurdles that are still in front of them, I think there are massive barriers in materials science that could be insurmountable, we'll all find out over the next decade I guess
Not to sound like a massive doomer but I do predict that they will find a way to overcome this current strategic choke point and that the eventual removal of this economic sword of Damocles will trigger an invasion of taiwan, it's yet to be seen whether there will be a shift in global economic power that would paralyse a western response, but it's fascinating to see it all play out

>>65217322
The thing is, Taiwan and the West aren't exactly going to sit idly for those 5-10 years. By the time anything comes out of that machine, it will already be the better part of a decade out of date. They also face massive disadvantages with certain computing aspects i.e. no equivalent to CUDA

>thread about the PRC and Taiwan
>devolves into shitflinging about the EU, Indians, Jews, JIDF, Trump and Mexicans

IMPLESSIVE

>>65217334
>>devolves into shitflinging about the EU, Indians, Jews, JIDF, Trump and Mexicans
because all of those things are tied together

>>65209621
RAYCISSSSSSSS!

>>65217308
Not really much at all, truth is I'm just feeling extremely pessimistic, I live nearby to where any war in the pacific would play out and recently I've just been feeling a bit blue about the prospect of seeing it in the my lifetime, which is then creeping in to how I take in any new information about it
The truth is I don't really understand the technology involved, what I think I get is that producing euv light is a major technical breakthrough, but that there remain significant barriers such as manufacturing mirrors, and the substrate, and rest of it all, because they aren't just machines that shoot light, but rather symphonies of precision engineering and exotic technology
The parts of the situation that I think I understand are the more economic factors. Things like how it's not a single entity involved, but rather a whole web of supply chains, these parts I find I can grasp more readily, and my understanding is that china is almost uniquely situated to advance here with mature surrounding industries.
The other part of the situation that I think I can assess accurately is that it's a major strategic initiative for china. That breaking away from reliance on western technology here is what will allow them to weather any economic sanctioning and pressure that the west can exert on them. Well, it's one thing that would help at least. Obviously there are other ways in which they are vulnerable to sanctions or blockade, but they aren't blind and are furiously trying to find ways around it all, because they are currently powerless to actually advance a geopolitical agenda militarily.
I've been surprised by their ability to sidestep barriers that have been erected in front of them thus far, and I think that combined with me just not really getting what's involved in chip manufacturing makes me think that it's closer than you do

>>65217338
In the sense that you're spamming them to draw attention away from the fact that chinkistan cannot and will not ever take Taiwan?

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>I uhhhh....win without fighting somehow, because of reasons
>gets an F- for not understanding the assignment
The shart of war.

>>65217328
There's been some really interesting stuff happening in this space, I think I read something about maybe a Japanese company that was investing heavily into imprinting lithography, and that electron lithography is already working, just slow
As far as I understand it, there's still advances to be made in the euv space as well. The truth is that I'm probably just a bit rattled by the revelation of the breadth and depth of the industrial espionage that's been taking place over this, and my proximity to where any eventual hostilities would take place feels very unpleasant, so I default to doomposting, but that's just me, I feel quite some dread about how a conflict would play out, and I feel for the people of Taiwan, who are to a person (for those whom I've met, at least) a vibrant freedom loving people who don't deserve to be conquered

>>65217363
they probably will one day, wait till America is filled with Latinx and Indians who don't care about america politics and just serve their own racial interests and exploit America, and china will take it, America can't even open the straight of hormuz

>>65209987
They can't swim though
https://youtube.com/shorts/1rzWflaRbUg?si=LTaZyVMLLXOn5oqJ

>>65217539
neither will the 90% Indian, black, and Latinx American forces at the time, so all will die lmao

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>>65217545
even for a chink you're seething unbelievably hard rn

>>65212765
Step 4: What Dam?

>>65217554
nope, america is 40% White and their brown slave imports either like china or don't care at all. They are also all against Israel and zionism so that might be one good thing that happens when america becomes non White is the Israel worship stops

>>65217568
>>65217545
Oh look, more /pol/ and /int/ shit the mods are perfectly will to just let slide.

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This farse has gone far enough. Every time we have the China will invade Taiwan scenario, it's just seething chinkesoids chest thumping and posting their superior impleassive technology and doom posting scenarios. I just want to remind everyone that the chinks hadn't had a war in a very long time and that Taiwan is literally sitting right there. You won't do shit filthy chinkesoids, seethe forever

China isnt going to do anything against Taiwan because it would be meaningless based on their understanding of the world. The chinks know that America is on a downward trajectory and unlike americans they have a low time preference so they can wait. All this mutt talk about "them chiners are gonna swarm across the strait and go at those island chiners like they swarmed my peepaw's company at chosin reservoir back in the gook war" is just americans projecting their high time preference on the chinks.

So, this entire thread is bullshit.

>>65211924
>Having massive low tech industrial output doesn't win wars against technologically superior foes.
US never won war against country with a larger industrial output. US always had massive industrial overmatch.

>>65218502
China is in a race against the clock thanks to its demographics, and Winnie the Pooh seems absolutely hell-bent on cementing his legacy as the great unifier or some shit, I think it's coming in the next ten years

>>65218475
Adress his arguments, when America is like 30% White the majority of brown people and blacks won't care to fight China and most will ally with them

>>65218677
>China is in a race against the clock thanks to its demographics,
So is the west, bht the west is actively replacing its White people with browns and even Chinese by the millions , while China rejects immigration

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>>65211301
>To me, it's a clear pattern of trying to avoid real engagements that could betray a quality of troops and equipment that is far lower than they claim, but that's just speculation
It's because any overseas military failure would be much more politically costly for the CCP than it would be for any democracy. A failed war in a democratic country can be blamed on a political party or the President. A failed war involving China could only be blamed on the entire government. Moreover, Chinese government legitimacy rests chiefly on its ability to successfully use force to protect Chinese interests both internally and externally. Militant ultranationalism is the real ideology of the Chinese nation, not socialism, so even an Iran-tier embarrassment would generate a level of domestic backlash that not even the CCP murdering ten thousand of its own citizens would create.

Another thing you need to remember is that China is run by geriatric engineers whose family members were beaten to death by angry mobs in public -- which is to say that they are extremely careful. They know that joining any foreign conflict will create lasting enemies abroad, and that any political alliances they build in the year 2026 will be fickle at best (much of Chinese polisci lit hammers on and on about this point). Getting militarily involved in some foreign shithole would also have the added side effect of revealing their specific strengths and weaknesses, and that would weaken their position long before their invasion gets started.

>>65216879
>please ignore the lego slop
cardboard ayatollah status?

>>65209335
Honestly I'd do the bitch right now while Trump is president because he is weak and unwilling to do anything about it. If they don't have to fight the US it's basically going to be a cakewalk for them.

>>65218723
Hormuz status?

It's still closed and pedophile Jews still own ur country

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>>65209335
I simply could continue to dominate continental Asian culture and conquer them with the soft powers of investment and inevitability.

>>65218771
>had to make another cope thread

>>65218771
.t worships a pedophile

>>65216249
Chinks have no friends. They are very similar to vatnik in that there can only be masters/slaves. Their version is the middle kingdom/barbarians or scammers/scammed

>>65218677
>the demograohucs doomerism joke
Didn't stop monke from chimping out with the mother of all chimp outs. You doomer bro idiots seem to be under the impression that tyrants like monke or xi are
>rational
>smart
>forward thinking
None of them are true and reality is closer to the opposite. Its all about ego and arrogance

>>65218873
>>65218889
>No arguments

And pediphiles run your country

>>65219248
Your cope thread got deleted. What got blown to pieces in Iran now?

>>65218731
>Honestly I'd do the bitch right now while Trump is president because he is weak and unwilling to do anything about it. If they don't have to fight the US it's basically going to be a cakewalk for them.


In 10-15 years they wont have to fight the US at all no matter who is president. I think you should check out usdebtclock.org. Remember, according to the chink sage of war Sun Tzu, there is nothing more l33t than defeating the enemy without fighting. If you desire war, you will soon get your fill when America invades Iran on the ground together with Euronato.