ya muddah

>>65210635
I like em on compact and full sized pistols but I find them to be an annoyance on subcompact and micro pistols that are being appendix carried. The dot jumps out of the window anyways from recoil on those and I find myself aligning the irons to find the dot anyways so I just use irons on those

>>65210635
>CZ
niceeee
>Holosun
Well, I guess there's not much left when you but a CZ
>lol9mm
Victim caliber, but go off queen
You should get a laser/light combo Faggots will say lasers le bad unless you're using nods and IR lasers.

nay

>>65210655
you only started promoting lasers AFTER dots got popular. you probly advocate point shooting even tho you dont practice it yourself.

lasers suck ass because you spend the first second LOOKING for the dot instead of just aiming. if lasers were faster then SF and swat would use them. you are in your 30s, grow out of being a contrarian already.

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Only red dot needed on a pistol

>>65210655
What caliber do you shoot? Do you even shoot? Do you even own guns or are you just a yuroshart noguns

>>65210681
>if lasers were faster then SF and swat would use them.
They do?
And I use mine because being RG color deficiency. If I don't see the green dot from the sight, I can see the laser and line up my shot from there.

>>65210635
Unnecessary but not pointless

>>65210635
Yes. They’re better than irons at everything.
>>65210655
The 509t, EPS, and 507 comp are better than the vast majority of offerings from Aimpoint and Trijicon. Also lasers are retarded and you’re retarded for recommending them.

>>65210692
5.56, .22lr and magnum, .45ACP, .32ACP, and .40 Shit and Wipe. Haven't gone shooting in a while because ammo is expensive, and the car can sense every time I get a little extra money to go shooting with.

>>65210697
Post one example of someone whose been active SOF or SWAT since 2005 who recommends using a visible laser over a red dot.

I don't put optics on pistols because they're too small, too far away, the reticle is washed out too easily, the reticle moves too much on autoloaders, I don't like the tinted view, and I don't like magnified view (although minimal it's still very noticeable). I also don't like the occlusion from the glass and battery housing. I don't like the slightly reduced slide speed either.
I wear glasses so I don't really have a problem seeing irons as I age. I also use irons that I pick up really well. If works better for you, go for it. I'll try the FN Pureview when I can get ahold of one. I really don't mind the reduced battery life.
I despise reflector sights just in general. I much prefer holographic sights; specifically the huey.

dots on pistol good for shots more than 25 yards; so dot on duty gun or nighttsand gun or range gun sure; on a conceal carry or ecd....no

>>65210635
may(be)

As far as I'm concerned if you're trained on dots and can afford dots and your gun can take a dot you should put a dot on it, you'll only be more accurate as a result.

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>>65210635
>yay or nay
more....weight....

>>65210692
Hey I'm a Euroshart and my friend has a Shadow 2 with a dot too
I only have a glawk with one personally because I'm poor

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>>65210809

>>65210709
>haven't gone shooting because poor
>still bought a bunch of different calibers
>calling others out on anything
Cool, nobody cares about your opinion. Should have spent your money on ammo.

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>>65210635
Here's my setup
>>65210646
This
>>65210809
And yet everyone in uspsa runs them when 65% of targets are 14yds or in, 30% out to 20yds and maybe 5% past 25yds.
>hey fellas get a load of this guy imarite

Thought you said she was fat when you seen her in walmart. Damn looks better then the entire shift its a nay for me dog cum drops in you booty bitches fire off Steph curry swamp ass

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>>65211440
I'm still using my RMR all these years later

>>65211440
>P10C ported
Very nice.
>>65211449
I’m stuck using an RMR at work. If it was up to me I’d have a COA or Holosun 509T.

>>65210635
Why would you put a holosun on that?

>>65210784
>skill issue, the post

>>65212133
Because it’s the best option.

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>>65212166

>>65210635
>SELF-DEFENSE (point shooting distances of future rocket brain surgeon youths in petty theft/home invasion): No
>HOLISTIC 2A OBSERVANCE (20 million illegals in 4 years, 1% of them known hostiles officially, likely underreported): Yes, because you will be facing - in the worst case scenario - combat veterans from abroad attempting complex ambushes and will be overmatched to the degree that requires an optic to make you not useless beyond 30 yards.

>>65210635
It's yea you illiterate retard.

>>65210697
you're a faggot retard and I hope you die, that is the dumbest shit I've read all week
t. fellow deuteranopic
>>65210709
ya know 9mm is cheaper to shoot than all those calibers except .22, right?

>>65210635
That’s gonna be a nay from me. They ruin the aesthetics of the pistol.

>>65210709
>Haven't gone shooting in a while
Is it fair to present "never" as a while?

>>65210635
green doots are better yay

>>65210655
This is just such an unbelievably stupid post

Every match I shoot, people with dots need to fiddle with them before shooting the stage so I wonder how people are using the stupid things in real life situations.

>>65212563
Par for the course in nu/k/ (and 2020s global internet userspace overall)

>>65212604
>(X)-Doubt
Post practiscore.

>>65212604
that's because pistol optics suck in general and the cherry on top is that /k/ queens like Ben Stoeger valid poor purchases by recommending some of the worst pistol optics on the market.

>>65212604
You don't shoot matches, anon. I'd be amazed if you shot, period.

>>65212604
Post a target. Give a time for a drill. Share literally any shred of information that you shoot handguns.

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>>65212269
>they ruin the aesthetics of the pistol

>>65212819
>>65213263
>>65213253
>posting this after multiple "grand masters" were caught faking their practiscores
>and all the blatant cheating that goes unpunished in shooting competitions because everyone's doing it and match hosts are afraid of losing paying customers

>>65210635
Nay. Regular iron sights are fine and you don't have spend another $200+ on a optic

>>65210635
there is not a single documented case of someone losing a gunfight because they did not have an optic on their pistol

>>65210635
that shits gay m8

>>65210635
Not for me, but if you think you benefit from it, I won't stop you.

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>>65210635
yay

>>65210635
Training with a dot makes you better with irons as well, this is a fact. Literally no reason not to have one if the gun is optic cut.

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>>65210635
Anyone not using a dot is stuck in the past.

>>65213310
what variant is that

>>65213342
variant of what?

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>>65212819
>>65213253
>>65213263
Looks like someone's emotionally invested in red dot sights

>>65213347
what type of cz

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>>65212604
I despise posers like you.

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If I was a newer shooter in the age of optics ready guns, I would probably use red dot sights more, but I don't have much to attach one to. I'm ok with that because a blacked out rear sight with a fiber optic front still lets me rip it with a target focus and I'm satisfied with the results.

>>65213644
P-01

>>65213282
Where is your practiscore account anon

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>>65213884

Let's be real here, if a dot changes the outcome of a shooting, you weren't shooting in self defense. Anyone who carries a pistol with a dot needs to re-evaluate his life choices.

>>65214269
That's some serious cope especially if you're carrying more than a revolver.

Preference item. They’re dependent on consistent presentation. I find irons are a little more consistent and easier to find in that regard. Where dots shine are low light. Their weakness at least from what I’ve noticed is very bright environments or areas of transition brightness where the dot tends to wash out. Irons work better in that regard, but it really boils down to personal preference.

>>65214276
Either you've been shooting dots that are turned down too low or are low quality/have low battery charges because a properly set up red dot on a carry gun should be a couple of brightness settings below max or so.

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>>65214289

>>65214297
>Wasn't set up right by the customer? It's because dots are shit
I'm not the one coping.

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>>65214303

>>65214326
All I keep hearing is excuses.

Is "cope" the new retort when you realize you're wrong? Why is there so much of it ITT?

>>65214289
Entirely possible. I’m constantly having to adjust the brightness on mine. Could be that I’m having to constantly turn it down for use under nvg, but even then I can’t seem to find a happy medium for daytime/evening use. Could be a Holosun special too. Trivial to adjust it, but it gets annoying. Pros and cons. I lean towards irons with a laser, but I’m a strange bird.

>>65211440
>but all the cool kids do this
who gives a shit; lol, thats like trying to get me to hold a rifle with a c clamp hold which is fucking retarded and gay as shit; lol imagine not being able to control a standard caliber rifle

>>65214289
>pulls out edc with red dot
>dust inside reticle; hard to see dot
for people who carry their guns daily i dont see it as practical really.

this is one of the most deluded, disingenuous threads up atm

>>65214500
enclosed emitter
also cowitnessing

>>65214556
sure that helps i guess, but even with two screens its two surfaces that pick up smudge. also, it adds an additional dimension to the firearm. i like them ok but alot of the shooters i know carried them and then went back to irons for EDC guns. i like them on my range guns and for target shooting; or if i open carried but i got a tight body frame so printing is bad enough. just my thoughts.

>>65214500
1. Enclosed emitter
2. I’ve carried an open emitter dot on duty for 3 years in a Safariland missing the hood that covers the dot and I’ve literally never had my dot obstructed by anything.

>>65214569
if it works for you keep trucking. im just use to toting micro 9s and compacts.32/.380s mostly in shorts and a tshirt. i tried the red dot carry, unless its a full size in a open holster or something it just aint me

>>65210655
>state of this board
Grim

>only people posting evidence of hasguns have optics
wdhmbt

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>>65214565
I was skeptical about dots, so I bought an osight se, a very small, enclosed emitter dot for about 160. I didn't even have an optics cut handguns, so I made an optics plate for my Smith 686 and my cc at the time, a taurus 650. It was extremely hard to find the dot at first, but after a month of practice, I was seeing it every time I pointed my revolver, regardless of the condition. It made me a better shooter, because it forced me to point my gun precisely and consistently every single time. The lenses on the dot also never got scratched or obscured, despite carrying it every day. I call it the poorfag special. Was making fairly consistent 100 yard shots at a steel silhouette. Never could have done that with a j frame without an optic.

>>65210635
I don't like them on carry pistols bc they add like an inch of height to the gun and it's in a direction opposite of what your holster is trying to tuck in so it wants to print. I did use and carry them for a long time until I got over them bc of the height thing. That and keeping it clean and maintained (this was before enclosed pistol dots were really available/good).

They legitimately do allow for much, much higher performance if you train properly with them. I was banging a 12" gong at 120 yards with one on a P365xl at one point. But for me the juice wasn't worth the admittedly very minor squeeze. I think most people will find they prefer them, just not for me.

>>65214632
it is good for shooting past 25 yards; ive never had luck with them though, ive heard good things about the osite, like it doesnt explode like the early olights for instance. but thats pretty neat actually on a revolver

>>65214645
I break a ton of flashlights at work, so I have had a lot of experience with olights after I was tired of breaking my good lights. In general, they're good products as long as you don't get something with a non-removable, internal battery. That's why their first sights were garbage. The SE uses a regular coin battery. I'm genuinely impressed, it has never lost zero. I actually find that dots, especially on my j-frame, are excellent within 15 yards. With enough experience with one, you'll pick up the dot as soon as the recoil settles. They really force you to improve your technique.

>>65214244
kek, bodied that gun golfing freak

>>65210635
Yay. But also keep the iron sights tall enough in case the glass breaks or the battery runs out.

>>65214823
>replying to yourself

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>>65212604
>people with dots need to fiddle with them before shooting the stage
Please explain what you mean here anon. What sort of fiddling was being done, and why?

>>65214864
Idk, they fiddle with the buttons on it like it's their phone. I also once saw a guy blow through two mags and not hit anything at all because his dot came loose mid stage. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen these losers draw their pistol at a club level match and then immediately stop and whine to the rangemaster that they want a do-over because they couldn't see their dot.

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>>65214895
>Idk,
Anon, please try to work with me here.
>hey fiddle with the buttons on it like it's their phone
There's only two buttons usually and they are used to adjust brightness. Were they turning them on, maybe? What is ridiculous about this?
>also once saw a guy blow through two mags and not hit anything at all because his dot came loose mid stage.
Not sure how someone not properly installing equipment is the equipment's fault. Are you going to be trashing a magazine for not feeding if it isn't inserted correctly?
>and then immediately stop and whine to the rangemaster that they want a do-over because they couldn't see their dot.
What sort of matches are you attending where they don't ask the shooter if they'd like to check a sight picture?

>>65214920
>What sort of matches are you attending where they don't ask the shooter if they'd like to check a sight picture?
the sort he's making up in his head ofc.

>>65214920
What kind of babyshit matches are you shooting where they hold your hand like this? I've never ever seen that before

>>65210635
>>65213310

I have a P-01 I want to get milled for an optic, where are you /k/ommandos sending yours out to get it done?

>>65215338
NTA I've seen that at some matches (not all) but even then blaming user-error on equipment is stupid and you should feel bad for doing that not once but twice in your argument for why pistol optics are bad

>>65216140
I just buy a new gun/slide. Most places charge 200-300 to mill and refinish a slide. I'd rather have a new gun.

>>65214895
>entire post is anon being confused about something he doesn't understand and accounts of flagrant stupidity on the part of the shooter
bravo, einstein

>>65216140
I’ll be sending my Glock 17C out to Vigilante Machine for a Holosun 509T cut. I like that they offer the option to leave the original finish alone and only cerakote the cut area. Wager Machine is also highly recommended.

>>65216140
support your local gunsmith anon
also this >>65216172

>>65216348
Local gunsmiths generally have no clue what they’re doing and will only offer dogshit finishing options.

>>65216140
I got my P-01 cut by Primary Machine, don't listened to the other tards who are posting about local gunsmiths

>>65216188
Red dot optics are a mindset

>>65216374
thanks /k/ommrade, something tells me the other anons have never tried to source a pre-cut P-01 slide either

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>ITT anons who have never been in a gunfight and never will be arguing over pistol sights
>meanwhile IRL

>>65212186
>you will be facing combat veterans from abroad attempting complex ambushes
Did you get in a reddit argument with the head of the juarez cartel and sent him your home address or are you just suffering from mental illness?

>>65216140
The only correct answer is to send it to Cajun for milling. That way while it's there you can have them polish it up with a full Cajunization assuming that you're not a turbo poor.

>>65214493
I'm conflicted here
Red dots are objectively better in every way but c clamping a 556 is gay AND retarded

>>65217175
extremely tempting option. Thanks /k/ommrade

>>65217159
People will always find a new fantasy to justify the purchase of more shit. It was BLM mobs ten years ago, 2020 came and went, and we didn't get a single extended gun battle. Intersecting with that time period, there was the panic over negroids with automatics Glocks, and we still have yet to see a single case of an average Joe getting into an extended gun battle. Now it's cartel invasions, and we will still see zero extended gun battles.

>>65213310
Probably Cajun but I hate that sending shit through FEDEX is a crapshoot since all they hire are niggers.

>>65210660
I don’t have any but I’d be tempted to get one of the Glock Acros for my next handgun, but don’t see the need to have any of my current guns milled.

>>65213268
Thank you for demonstrating that gigachad does not have an optic on his pistol

>>65214493
It has nothing to do with not being able to control a low caliber rifle. It's about absolutely deleting recoil so that your ar is a laser beam. You can basically shoot full throttle with zero recoil. I shoot a handgun with two hands. Not because I can't with one, but because I shoot better with two.