You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

Reminder that the police don't exist to protect you or help you. Protecting yourself is your own right and duty, and the police exist to interfere with your ability to do so.

Bunch of salty mossy pukers itt. Just join the cops and you can mag dump anybody.

>>65210685
the cops that frequent this board are NOT gonna like this.

>getting bail
>as an uncooperative murder suspect
lmao

>>65210685
If you’re in a self defense situation and refuse to say anything to the police then you’re 100% going to jail on murder charges.

>>65210718
shut up piggy

>>65210721
I mean, if you want to spend six months in jail because you thought calling 911 and saying "I just conducted a self-defense shooting at [location], I need an ambulance and officers. I will be at [place] and the weapon will be on the table", that's on you. I have shit to do with my life.

>>65210706
>>65210718
Sorry officers, the Founding Fathers canoed a lot of pigs in order for me to enjoy my 5th Amendment. I am presumed innocent until you and your BuFu buddies in the DA office can prove otherwise to 12 people.

theres a difference between clamming up immediately and not saying anything incriminating. cops know when you are trying to attempt legal fuckery and will be much shittier to you as a result so i do think its important to cooperate but also to know when its prudent to shut up. were all dead inside here so its not like killing someone is actually gonna have you rattled, you should be able to think somewhat competently.

also im tired of anons who still parrot nuggets of advice 20 years after hearing it.

>>65210729
>the Founding Fathers canoed a lot of pigs in order for me to enjoy my 5th Amendment
So don't fucking incriminate yourself by acting like a red-handed murderer, dipshit.

>>65210724
>Saying incriminating statements on a recorded line
Might as well show up to the state pen with a gallon of KY jelly.
>>65210730
>you should be able to think somewhat competently.
yes, by not talking to the police and incriminating myself.
>>65210739
How does not giving a statement and waiting to talk with my lawyer/legal aid incriminate myself Mr. Officer?

>>65210750
if you didnt recreationally kill someone in self defense you wouldnt have to worry.

>>65210721
>>65210729
I actually am a cop. If you kill someone in self defense and refuse to cooperate at all then you’re getting taken to jail charged with murder. A grand jury will most likely true bill your charges and you’ll stay in jail until superior court is in session in either September or April, then you can have a jury trial where your attorney will have the burden of proving that you were acting in self defense. Self defense is an affirmative defense in court, that means that the burden is on the defendant to prove that your actions were reasonable.

If you can explain on scene that your actions were self defense and CID thinks your story checks out then you’ll remain free and the DA will present the case to a grand jury who will most likely no bill it. If CID thinks your story doesn’t check out of the grand jury true bills it then you’ll be in the exact same scenario you would have been in the first place except the record will reflect that you always claimed that it was self defense.

>>65210758
Yeah but all the cool contrarian kids these days are doing the former because the latter is cuck bootlicker basedboy behavior. According to them taking the reasonable middle line means you might as well cut your dick off and let PIPOCs fuck your bussy.

>>65210685
never trust or talk to police, they are soldiers of jewish liberal feminism and basically just HR people for zog

>>65210699
this

>>65210781
If they want to get locked up and not shit up the board, that's fine, too. I just wish they wouldn't eat my tax dollars while doing it.

>>65210785
>i watched one video from a man id never heard of and made that a core belief of mine for the rest of my life.

>>65210717
God tier video

>>65210785
>feminism
>muh wamennnnnn >:(

>>65210816
nah police are the enemy they didn't do shit against BLM and communists when they burnt down cities, they exist to protect ZOG and go after White working class people, its 2026 boomer, we all hate police and their role as slavers to the billionaires and capitalistic class

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>>65210828
correct, feminism is the enemy and destroys society

>>65210750
>hey some guy just tried to murder me and I shot him come help
>incriminating statement
Please be evaluated for mental disability ASAP.

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>>65210685
>>65210729
reddit tier dunning krugerism
>>65210758
>>65210724
True
This is what most actual self defense attorneys recommend, to give at most a
>this guy came at me with that knife and I had to fire to defend myself
Then ask for an attorney and shut up
https://youtu.be/77sVAIMpwDE?si=VQTJTLBgh0FwPoqr
https://youtu.be/_UKwxM_jU_A?si=xSCrL3UdUolnc0Mo

>>65210831
>when they burnt down cities

you mean like ten buildings total across the country? you sound like a euro.

>>65210860
>you mean like ten buildings total across the country
more like city blocks lmao
>you sound like a euro
Im not, Europe's might be worse than American cops.

pigs everywhere are the enemy and exist to defend billionaires and manage the White working class and hassle them

>>65210706
>>65210718
>>65210724
>>65210730
>>65210758
>>65210755
>>65210781
>>65210849
>Nooo, you NEED to call the police and incriminate yourself!
>Bro, just talk to the police, they'll totally be on your side
>The cops and DA would NEVER go out of their way to fuck you over in a legal self defense shooting
>Don't forget to get a USCCA insurance policy just incase
>https://youtu.be/JRAr5Hq2TYY
Again, do not talk to the police. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.
ACAB including the fat pig reading this. Get back to busting people on a booze cruise and popping teens for smoking dope instead of doing actual police work and serving the public.
>V*rification not required

>>65210944
>The cops and DA would NEVER go out of their way to fuck you over in a legal self defense shooting
So your solution is to ensure you get fucked over?

>>65210951
Sure way is to defend against police is the law and a court not some cop good will.
Because cops are pigs and pigs don't have a good will. They only understand force.

>>65210758
Never dude this. The cops will twist your words even if unintentionally like mentioned in the video. The amount of bootlickers in this thread tells me it's not organic.

>>65210968
So why are you making your court case look worse? Do you think that proving you shot someone is going to be a challenge? Get that self-defense claim on the record as fast as fucking possible.

>>65210849
They let you have internet in the old folks home? What's with this boomer youtube shit?

>>65210977
>Waiting to talk to your attorney and not incriminating yourself is actually gonna make your court case worse.
Whatever you say officer.

>>65210996
Unless you have a criminal defense attorney on retainer they aren’t coming out to where you are to speak to law enforcement right then and there, and they probably aren’t even coming out even if they are on retainer.

>>65210996
Quick question: do you actually know what the danger in speaking at the scene is? It's in saying too much. Specifically, human memory is what it is, and under the adrenaline dump of a shooting, people have a tendency to flub a detail while trying to play-by-play the entire incident, which forms a contradiction with the interrogation statements or written testimony formed later. The solution is to say LITTLE, not NOTHING, because do you seriously think that the prosecution that will nitpick a verbal typo is somehow NOT going to point out that you refused to proclaim self-defense until charges had been filed?

Acutal lawfag here:
Under Salinas v. Texas the government can use a suspects silence in response to pre-arrest questioning unless the suspect specifically invokes their right to silence. So, if they show up and start asking about the dead body you made, and you are silent, the government can tell that to the jury to incriminate you.

And just as a matter of course, if you say nothing, the police will probably have no choice but to arrest you since there's probable cause you committed a murder. You will have to spend time in jail. As soon as you're mirandized, request an attorney. You must do so clearly and unambiguously, any conceivable shred of ambiguity will allow them to keep questioning you. Also anything you affirmatively offer is a waiver of your rights. Keep in mind, depending on the time of week and day, you could be held in police custody for extended time until your lawyer arrives.

Finally, do not fail to report a shooting. That is a separate crime apart from the homicide, and will make you look guilty as hell if it goes to trial.

>>65211084
>lawyer agreeing with the cop ITT
nice try piggy

>>65211172
I could care less what the cops tell you. The law is the law.

>>65210758
No cop knows this much about the law or can write this coherently.

its a pretty simple thing
>you are under arrest
i want a lawyer. then dont say anything.
>a hard head makes a soft case
generally you dont want to take advice from a rapper but young jeezy is correct in this case. NEVER SPEAK WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY WITH YOU

>>65211084
so dont stay silent, simply say "i do not answer questions without legal counsel present". or "i need my lawyer first" or "i have been told to not answer questions without my lawyer"

if you arent a dick about it then i dont see how they can use it against you. aside from identifiers such as your name or producing ID you dont and should not say a god damn thing to police

>>65210758
id rather spend a day in jail and bonding out than talking to a cop who will twist my words at trial. do not cooperate

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>>65210849
>trust these youtubers!

lol, lmfao even. did not click

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>>65210685
ANON ASK FOR A LAWYEEEEERRR
ANOOOOOOONNNNNNNN

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>>65211742
I’m posting from my patrol car right now.

>>65212233
Based on patrol poster. Just make sure you let the pot heads go, and give every FIP (friendly Illinois person) a ticket.

>>65212243
I refuse to arrest for drugs unless it’s in conjunction with another crime.

>>65210758
>>65212233
So what do you tell them before you talk to your attorney?

>>65212251
I’m not offering you legal advice, I’m just telling you that if I was in a self defense scenario I’d tell the first unit on scene in the least amount of detail possible what forcible felony the other person was attempting to commit that would have put me in reasonable apprehension of receiving great bodily harm had I not acted. I’d then say I’m not comfortable answering anything else without an attorney present. During the initial 911 call make sure to tell the dispatcher that you’re going to attempt to render aid and follow any first aid instructions that they give you, even if you know it’s futile. It’s not about first aid at that point, it’s about making you look better in the wrong turn. The last thing you want to do is argue with the dispatcher and refuse to render aid because the person is already dead, that looks bad.

>>65212262
Thank you

>>65212262
*look better in the long run

>>65212262
I’d make you arrest the perpetrators dying body and charge him with attempted murder.

>>65212262
>"I ain't gettin that nigger aids blood on me!"

>>65210685
Your words will get twisted and most people are a) to dumb or b) get dumb in the adrenaline rush of a extreme situation . C) don't know how a innocent Sentence might give them a long sentence.
>>65210718
If you can't resist or it might hurt your case just be an ideot. Or like a vapid blonde saying omg 400x a minute. Embrace the shock get checked out by emt or a doctor. I wanna call mum or dad.

Don't be smart " I saw the scatchy guy I thought he might rob me so I loaded my gun with the terminator kill max bullets just in case." Thats Bad... " I didn't notice him or pay him any mind, I don't know. The attack cam out of nowhere I was shocked and surprised." Better - you where a unsuspecting victim.

Be like a dumb puppy not a cold smart veteran. if you could have noticed an escalating situation they might blame you with a duty to retreat. Why didn't you just leave?
If you are dumb and naive nobody can blame you. " I never thought he would attack me!? it was just a exchange of mean words. Nobody fights over that! I was just stopping for gas at Martin-Luther-king boulevard"

When you call the emberlamps Be helpful but ineffective, maybe involve others to create/influence a witness. Tell them what you want to be heard. " OMG a guy just tried to rob me we need help call them, I'll get the first aid kit." (Place the idea in their head. So everything they see pushes them in a favorable direction. Like they see the tire marks... will they think and thus tell the police a) He Swerved bc he Wanted to run him over and attack Vs b) see the tire marks and conclude he tried to break swerve to avoid and escape.)

So like call for help get stuff like first aid kit from somewhere. If you can live with it do a shitty job nobody can blame you for doing shallow chest compressions or a bad bandage. Make seem like you tried to save them. After checking for safety of course etc. have the hotline guide you so they can't ask questions.

>>65212515
Oh and one more thing. Don't have or voice doubts. Don't say "I thought he had a weapon or gun." Your view is fact. You will say "I saw he raised a gun". The object you saw was no doubt a gun. If it happens later to turn out to be a phone or chocolate bar? Well... Oops you couldn't have known. In the fast scene and bad light. Like the victim of a prank for you the situation was real and clear. You don't speak jive so it you where surprised took the threats/actions rationally literally.

Like in general it from your view the situation has to been unpredictable, inevitable, understandable.
Be like a police officer why do you think do they say " he's reaching for a gun" when the gentleman needs to pull up the pants to run better.

>>65212233
Lmao we have an actual genuine faggot glownigger on the board.

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>>65212233
look at all those electronic distractions, and then you faggots give people tickets for looking at a cell phone

eat shit pig

>>65212233
Eat your greens.

>>65210685
also, never do any of their "Field Sobriety Tests".

if any, ONLY do the real test at the PD station.

I did and one of the 3 blows was under the .08 and that along with NO "other evidence" (no 'tests') got Negress DA to drop all charges.

>>65210685
>Get rushed by five pitbulls
>Pop a pitbull
>Cops come out, two cruisers
>Chill black cop, "Yeup self defense."
>Dick jeet with heavy dot Indian accent, "But it's illegal to discharge firearm in city limits. You'll have to come with us. You should just walked away or carry a club "
>Me "Except in self defense as the other officer already said. Im on public property and have no duty to retreat to defend myself. According to penal code illegal to carry a club in public unless an officer. I want to talk to a sergeant to discuss this or you can arrest me here and now. I'm not going to the station with you."
>Sgt arrives
>Talks to cops individually
>Sgt "Have good day, here's your pistol back. Careful with shitbulls."
>Dick jeet cop is last seen sent by Sgt to go look for shell casings.
Never heard anything about it after. Got report number to use whenever see shitbulls to give to animal control for them to euthanize a shitbull if I call them out

>>65210685
You can simply state basic facts and say you were afraid for your life and had to use self defense. This puts them in the mindset to look into that. There's a difference between making a basic statement on the scene to cops and talking with a detective.

>>65210685
You can talk to them, just need your lawyer present.

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Hello. Prosecutor here. I'm not going to tell you if you should or should not talk to the police but I will give you some factors to consider:

If you do talk to the police:
1. You are 100% locked into whatever you say. If you change your story even an iota that will be used against you at trial and getting impeach on the stand is really really bad.
2. What was done in haste gets reviewed in leisure. Cops all have bodycams now and anything you might say in the heat of the moment is going to be recorded and shown to a team of lawyers who will rewind and overanalyze everything said. Explitives, awkward laughter, umms and uhhs, all of it is getting reviewed and stuff that you might not even remember saying might be used to build a case against you.
3. You are (probably) not a lawyer (and even if you are only a stupid lawyer represents himself). You do not know what is actually legal and illegal. You might have a vague sense of what you THINK is illegal but when is the last time you read your state's criminal code? Even if you have read it do you really know what it means? Have you checked recent case law clarifying certain terms? If you talk to the cops you may be admitting to something you don't even know is a crime and ignorance of the law is not a defense.

If you don't talk to the police:
1. You're probably going to jail, especially if you shot a person. Jail is not fun.
2. You may very well be charged. Probably for a felony and possibly for murder. This means even if you bail out you are now a prohibited person until the case resolves and your guns are getting seized. All of them. You're also going to have strict bond conditions that probably suck. That means you're essentially defenseless against any possible retaliation as well.
3. The case is probably going to take at least a year to resolve if not more. That means a year of anxiety, no guns, and constantly looking over your shoulder.

>>65213122
>comment too long
lol
Anyway, in summation:

Personally? If I was in a self-defense shooting and i absolutely 100% not a single doubt in mt mind knew it was a good shoot I would talk.ANYTHING else, ever a tiny speck of a possibility of a doubt, and I'm clamming up and demanding a lawyer.

>>65213122
>If you don't talk to the police:
>1. You're probably going to jail, especially if you shot a person. Jail is not fun.
>2. You may very well be charged. Probably for a felony and possibly for murder. This means even if you bail out you are now a prohibited person until the case resolves and your guns are getting seized. All of them. You're also going to have strict bond conditions that probably suck. That means you're essentially defenseless against any possible retaliation as well.
>3. The case is probably going to take at least a year to resolve if not more. That means a year of anxiety, no guns, and constantly looking over your shoulder
Does all of this apply if you talk to the police but wait until your lawyer is present?

>>65213138
Potentially yes. If you have a lawyer on retainer you'll get an unrecorded phone call at the jail to talk with them and set up an appointment to have them come down to the jail. If you don't have a lawyer you'll probably get appointed a PD at your bail hearing.

I should also add the caveat that even if you do talk to the police you may still well be arrested, go to jail, and be charged. Talking is not a guarantee that they cut you loose and let you go home. In fact they may have alredy decided to charge you and are just seeing if you'll incriminate yourself further.

>>65210685
On the one hand, "When in doubt shut up" is top tier advice.

On the other hand, refusing to give evidence or talk to officers can set them against you just as much as giving the wrong sort of evidence or saying something bad.
Also, communities that insist on never talking to police (don't know what snitching actually is) are the direct cause of police impotency, so if you want them to actually be helpful, you need to talk to them.

Keep calm, treat it like a business exchange.
Any interaction with cops, from a traffic stop to a shooting, is a business exchange.

You have your basic rights, but you are operating with less of them than they are.
Your task is to reach an amicable conclusion.
There is a certain amount of information you will HAVE to volunteer (you can try not give any via 'right to remain silent' or 'right to legal attorney' depending on your specific national laws but police have ways to pressure you around those). Basic shit, that if you do not may constitute inhibiting an officer in an investigation (an offense in many countries).
But on top of that, there are bits of information that, while you don't need to volunteer them, may expediate getting out of the conversation, or demonstrate you're willing to comply, and thus; suggest you're righteous in your intentions, put the officer at ease, give them something that lets them hurry things along.

Of course, the hard bit is not giving out bad seeming or incrimination information, or even just using the wrong words.
Most cops think they're sherlock holmes, and will jump on a weird word or an assumption of a narrative in their heads and not change(once had one accuse me of sexually harassing another officer, despite the pair being my assessors, because I apologized for not asking many questions).

This is why securing good will, by cooperating and being open, can be very helpful. If you're friendly and you say an incriminating word or phrase, you might be able to backtrack on it.
Cont.

>>65213122
>You're probably going to jail
What shitty state are you in and why are you applying this shitty state law to all states generally? That's not true in nearly all states.

>>65213205
Wheras, if you're constantly mean mugging them, refuse to say anything unless threatened, and then say something sketchy, they're much more likely to make an unfavorable assumption, and you're going to have a far harder time walking it back.

Make a choice. If you don't trust your conversational skills or are especially autistic, stick to the "am I being arrested/am I free to go"'s. But if you trust yourself to hold a conversation, appear vaguely normal, and not use the wrong lines, it may be worth it to generate good will, and get through it more favourably.

Finally, while most lawyers give good advice, take it with a grain of salt. Holding up a traffic stop or a report-taking to get a lawyer present first is naturally favourable from a legal perspective, and good for a lawyer, but the time, rigmarole, and expense fee may not be favourable for you.

>>65213221
You are aware of what jail is, right? Jail is for pretrial detention. It is not for punishment*. I struggle to think of any jurisdiction where you would not be detained and taken to jail for a homicide unless the shoot was so clear cut as to obviously good, ie you killd a mass shooter or you shot a person breaking into your house. We're not talking about those cases because if the case is that clear cut the cops probably aren'teven going to ask to talk to you, We're talking about the closer to the edge cases where the cops start asking question.

*if you're convicted of a crime and your sentence is under a year you usually serve it at the jail instead of prison.

>>65213221
Self defense=affirmative defense
You clearly killing someone and having nothing to say about it=probable cause for murder

What state do you think you can just shoot someone in, not have a word to say about it, and avoid going to jail? Everything that he said applies to every state.

ok, great.

so besides having a lawyer on retainer, is calling one of those 800 lawyer numbers a good thing to do?

can you tell the cop in very basic terms that you shot that guy in self defense or say nothing without a lawyer?

dont most of these defense shootings the person doing the shooting not get charged if the situation is extremally obviouse?
like that guy who shot that moron who approached his truck with a gun waiving?

What’s the point of even having the 2A if you still end up in jail and have your balls dragged over glass for defending yourself? Even when winning we’re losing

>>65213261
This entire thread is about how to avoid that situation you illiterate subhuman.

>>65213261
I am legitimately curious as to what your alternative would be.

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>>65213275
It’s all so precarious though. And anyone regularly lurking here with a hint of tism is already going to be at a serious disadvantage in any legal battle.
>>65213280
I’m not saying the 2A is bad, I love my guns. It’s just demoralizing thinking about how easily your life can be fucked by lawfully defending yourself

>>65213261
>What’s the point of even having the 2A if you still end up in jail and have your balls dragged over glass for defending yourself? Even when winning we’re losing

This whole thread is just no guns euros from countries where self defense is illegal

>>65213261
So that you can shoot the cops when things get that bad.

You don't say anything besides you need to go to a hospital afterwards. The hospital visit also allows you time to lose your adrenaline and not fumble your defense at a later time when your lawyer is present.

>>65212248
Damn you are alright.

>>65212511
Good thing most first-aid kits contain gloves for this purpose. Now get wrist deep in that fent-hole whitey.

>>65213261
Better tried by 12 than carried by 6

>>65213261
The point of the 2A is that its not a power fantasy.

>>65213760
Did you come up with that one on your own?

>>65213760
I thought for years this meant "tried by [noon] than carried by [6 am]"

>>65210685
>Officer, I would like to have a lawyer present before answering questions. Thank you.
All it takes

>>65213771
even better to know a lawyer beforehand and call immediately after dialing 911.

Here's the thing, if you're the kind of person who mind their own business, most likely situational evidence will be in your favor. I also live in a stand your ground state where 90% of the cops are white locals who like guns and hunting themselves so as long as you pass the vibe check you're not going to jail. Really people should know their own local police vibes and act accordingly.

Does owning a CCW license do much to help your case?

>>65213994
Only if you live in a deep blue shithole where even owning a gun requires a loicense.

>>65210690
kill yourself, glowie thread tagger

>>65213736
Do not do this. Statements made for the purpose of medical diagnosis are an exception to hearsay, and because doctors aren't cops you have no rights under Miranda when they question you. That means everything you tell the doctors is coming in to court.
>but HIPAA
warrants don't care about HIPAA

>>65210718
>refuse to say anything to the police then you’re 100% going to jail on murder charges.
You are probably being detained, regardless. Just ask. Then you can politely request counsel. Don't be an asshole. If thdy ask for your ID/carry permit, provide it. Or they'll just get it anyway when they change you into your jail jumpsuit.

>>65213994
It’ll make it fairly clear that you aren’t a prohibited person. That helps, but not too terribly much

>>65213122
>youre going to jail if you dont talk tot he police
thats not true all the time, but id take some jail i can bond out versus fucking prison

NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE

>>65213241
>You clearly killing someone and having nothing to say about it=probable cause for murder

you are supposed to say "i want a fucking lawyer" and then once legal representation is present, then you can explain yourself

>>65210685
It’s weird how people chit chat with cops thinking they’re buddies

You guys basically know that anything you say to a cop is like talking to an attorney on the opposing side that has the right to use deadly force on you right?

>>65214106
wtf would a doctor ask you about the mechanism of what went down? hospital is a triage thing, if you arent fucking dying and are stable they cut you loose. they will do a blood draw so if you got stuff in your system they will see that but the police might try and force a blood draw out of you anyway depending on where.

>>65212185
Yeah that's totally fine, but again the heading of this thread is never talk to the police.

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>>65213023
This, but you're responding in a bait thread

>>65214512
>namefag

>>65214106
Not everything you say is admissible, only the portions relevant to your diagnoses. The rest is still hearsay.

However, there's a broader exemption; anything you say that isn't privileged is admissible by your opponent against you at trial. It's how anything you say to the police gets in. By rule, it simply isn't hearsay.

>>65210977
And if you fuck anything up when adrenaline is rushing through you because you just shot someone, they can claim you are an unreliable witness, instead of taking your time and making your statement 1-2 days later when you have talked with your lawyer...

>>65215904
Brother, 1-2 days later you’re sitting in county jail with a murder charge waiting on a family member to hire an attorney so he can work on getting bond conditions set.

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>>65210685
>hello officer, this man said he was going to kill me and then attempted to kill me so I had to act in self defense
>very good, have a good night
Vs
>I refuse to say anything and want an attorney
>very good, enjoy getting manhandled, publicly embarrassed and molested in jail for the foreseeable future while we wait on the legal processes
Assuming your shoot was clean, dont live in a shithole and you can produce sentences that resemble something a human being would say, one option seems a lot easier. Granted this is /k/ and I assume mostly populated by bots and Neanderthals at this point

>>65215952
So cops and the legal system will violate your rights and play fuckfuck games to curb your defense rather than conduct an honest investigation? That's what you just described. Why should you ever talk to anyone like that, without a lawyer present. That's EXACTLYthe people who would use your own mistakes and stressed words to kneecap you.

>>65216277
What do not understand about self defense being an affirmative defense? The police have to act on the information they have available and if the only thing they have available is a dead body and a person who clearly killed them refusing to say anything then they have probable cause for an arrest with no mitigating circumstances. Are you stupid enough to think that they’ll show up to a homicide and let you call an attorney, negotiate pay, and wait two hours for them to get on scene? You’re fucking retarded. You’re welcome to do things your way so you can enjoy the sauerkraut and chicken kielbasa they serve every day in jail.

>>65216354
>Are you stupid enough to think that they’ll show up to a homicide and let you call an attorney, negotiate pay, and wait two hours for them to get on scene?
No, and I never said that dummy. They can wait with getting my statement, but there is a ton of other work to do at a crime scene. They are free to start that. The only reason to throw me in a jail cell and act like you describe is intimidation. I don't plan on being hostile to them. I can wait in an office, or anywhere else. All that you are describing is someone who just wants to close cases, regardless of how they do so.

>>65216399
> anywhere else
Jail.
Jail is where you will wait.

>>65210685
"I'm very scared right now because this is a serious thing, I need to talk to a lawyer to know what to do, this is all so overwhelming you understand, I need to speak to someone about this, please help me"

Be a lip quivering coward, it plays better when defense needs a narrative and you arent actually impeding anything through trying to be a smartass. You will be charged regardless, get over that don't take the window out that they offer, it's a noose. Cops and DA's only care about closing the case and will apply any number of tricks to get you to talk. If you communicate with them, communicate how scared you are, how overwhelming this whole thing is. Don't be afraid to be a blubbering, doe eyed victim.

>>65217267
It also helps to administer CPR and be actively trying to save the dude when Police show up. Then, when they ask what happened, just start breaking down like it's hit you all of a sudden. It CAN look bad if you just stonewall the cops but no jury in the world is going to look down on someone unable to find the correct words to say after something that traumatic.

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>>65217507
>as you can see, the defendant breaks down in hysterics after he killed an innocent black man, all because he was afraid
>the defendant accidentally pulled the trigger and desperately tried to correct his mistake, ultimately failing and leading to the death of another black man by the hands of a known racist...

>>65210718
They were gonna do that anyways

>>65216354
Sauer kraut and chicken kielbasa? What awsome fucking jail were you in? All we ever got was the hockey puck and shitty potatoes

>>65217704
The cops in my town go on a mcdonalds run for junior chickens and cheeseburgers from mcd's

>>65213138
a good lawyer won't tell the police shit even if you are 100% innocent. as far as he is concerned his job is to win your trial, not to keep you out of jail before then.
t. spent a week in jail and 15 months out on bail getting jerked around before my charges were finally dropped before going to trial

>>65210706
"i prefer to provide my testimony through an attorney"
but the suit pigs will repeat the lies of the shield pigs to the robe pigs to justify locking you in jail for exercising your rights
>>65210718
jail and charges aren't the same as prison and convictions. cops aren't there to help you, they're there to secure convictions. just ask henry nowak.

>>65216071
I'll just point out here that an old bloke in Australia recently got off without charges after shooting someone in self-defence at home, a place where self-defence is not even considered a legally valid reason for firearm ownership.
Shit happens and always be mindful around police but I think people are overestimating how badly someone wants to go out of their way to fuck them over.

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>>65210718
>"911 what's your emergency?"
>There has been a home invasion. Shots were fired. Send Police and EMS
>...
>"What happened here, sir?"
>I don't wish to make any statements
>???
>Profit!

>>65217133
I guess it can be a problem if you live in a place where that means being thrown in an overcrowded nigger pit. Most places aren't like that. If that what you do at your piggy station you are scum, who does not care about investigating crimes and only care about being a facist and scaring people into obedience.

>>65213686
You can literally get a CCW in Northern Ireland.

>>65218335
> Most places aren't like that
No, I can guarantee you that if you shoot someone and it gets to the point where a lawyer is in the conversation, they’re going to put you in jail until a lawyer shows up. That is quite literally what jail is for.

>>65210685
Lawyers will tell you not to say anything because a lawyer's job is to sell legal services. They want you to get booked inti jail so you're desperate enough to throw away your life savings and go into debt to get out. All you have to do is know your state's laws and articulate self defense. Instead you're a liability not knowing the law beforehand, and will have to play catch-up with a lawyer after you do something stupid.

I'm a cop, and I would definitely give a brief statement after having to shoot someone. That statement would articulate self defense only, and just to save myself the booking and bail payment. You have to articulate self defense or its an automatic murder booking if there's no exculpatory evidence. How else would we know what the circumstances are if you're just not saying anything? Dumb.

People say never talk to the police, we have all heard it before, but it's something you actually have to practice.

resisting interrogation is a skill, we were taught how to resist interrogation, we needed to be taught because interrogators have far more training getting people to talk then you will ever get in keeping our mouth shut.

For example there is social pressure, the good cop kind of situation where the police present as peers. But this can be highly, highly evolved with multiple actors, there might be 25 police in the room, or you might be facing a wall with no idea who you are speaking to.There might be police posing as criminals, "fellow criminals". or police posing as witnesses trying to say they saw things which were impossible to try to get you to contractict them.

They may well force you to look into a camera and test your eye movements, you may not know where the camera is, or what the intended stimulus is. a common trick is for police to pull out the murder weapon and see who feels threatened because the police have a weapon, and who doesn't react because they know it's a piece of evidence.

Police will often, often, attempt to gain compromising information about you in the hope of making you talk, to blackmail you, even if you are just a witness and your family, friends WILL give up sensitive personal information about you to police. I cannot understate how good police are at doing the job they have been trained and paid to do for however many years. You must understand that this is not your game, you are not good at this, you cannot play.

>>65218622
>im a cop
>dont listen to your defense lawyer
>it's not like you can just sit in a cell doing nothing while your lawyer prepares a proper defense
>it's not worth paying to avoid prison
Go fuck yourself pig faggot

>>65218885
>someone who works for you
See: >>65210699

>>65218870
You can listen to a salesman who will put you in debt forever instead or someone who works for you without payment expected. You seriously think lawyers are benevolent people? The whole system is a joke bro. What I said is very obvious legit advice, but if you wanna pay a million dollar bail on a murder trial or sit in the can for a year go ahead. The lawyer won't even tell you to invoke your right to speedy trial because it means less money for him and he has to prepare the case quicker. He'll let your ass sit and rot and keep telling you not to talk for his own benefit.

>>65218892
yea I bet you smelled donuts in my car go fuck yourself.

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None of you will EVER be in a self defense shooting situation. You are literally more likely to be hit by lightning. You're wasting your time on this bullshit when you should be thinking
>How can I eat less garbage and cut my chances of diabetes and coronary heart attacks
and
>What time does the gym open, I need to burn off some of this fucking fat before it LITERALLY kills me

t. EMT, I deal with fat fucks every day and I have never even heard of a shooting

STOP BEING SO FUCKING FAT

>>65218906
Alls I'm sayings is if you knew lawyers you'd hate them way more. At least you don't, which means you haven't done anything serious. Sorry you can't drive good and got a ticket.

I walked on ever charge I was ever served, civil, criminal, tort, federal, foreign.
On that basis I'm going to say that i'm better at this then most criminals, who suck, and never learn.

1. always abuse the police.
Seems like a singularly bad idea but actually it's the best option. Firstly by creating conflict, you give police reason to treat you unfairly, corruptly or use excessive force. They might. but even if they didn't you can say that they did. What judge would believe that honest patrolman joe would have planted evidence on you? but if this encounter started with you calling him a nazi KKK inbred then suddenly the prospect hat patrolman joe did in fact first you starts to seem entirely plausible.
Secondly you can claim to have not heard whatever police said if you were talking, plan B for police is usually booking someone with obstruction so if you're on a monologue about george floyd and they ask you to sit down then book you for obstruction, you just claim you didn't hear them. This is the practical basis for the minority rant you've all seen on youtube
Third issue, nobody will believe you are stonewalling police for any other reason then you're guilty, and prepared. abusing police is far more instinctive as a first reaction so in hindsight nobody will ever ask why you evaded questioning if you were innocent, you just hate police.

2. Always file first
After abusing police immediately file against them, you know they are going to come after you so you had better get it on record that they are after you as soon as possible. Call the police nazis, then file against them for racism. If you file first anything they file looks like they are trying to punish you for making a report, or threaten you into dropping charges, which you totally can.

3. try to report a crime to the police you just abused.
They will really not want to help you, really, but they have a legal obligation to record reports of crimes. A spurious report is what stops them stone walling you.
>hey hitler I saw someone steal a car last night on martin luther king bulevard
See you've abused them, they don't want to help you, but then how do they ignore that you've reported a crime?
Often they will recognize that you're just trying to waste their time and tell you to fuck off, nice. that's exactly what you wanted to do.

I once escaped a raid this way, walking up to the police who were about to kick the door down and calling them baby killers and acting like I was trying to hold them up telling them about some spurious carjacking, which is the very last thing they wanted so obviously they knocked me over and told me to fuck off, only having broken into the house did they realize they had just told the target of the raid to go away. acting like a bystander is a great skill.

This is all pretty standard hood behavior. wasting police time, abusing police, filing spurious reports, often in rapid alternation.

>>65218439
Not all jails are disorganized hellholes where you will be kept indefinitely. Also most civilized places require that you go before a judge and the cops to explain why you need to be confined. Not wanting to talk before a lawyer was present is usually not substantial enough of an argument. I know such levels of due process is hard to grasp for you. But most states aren't police states.

>>65218622
>I'm a cop, and I would definitely give a brief statement after having to shoot someone.
Something like "yeah im just gonna say self defense, you'll back me up right?"
>if there's no exculpatory evidence.
This whole thread has been cops arguing that they would not even bother really looking for that UNLESS you say self defense first.
>How else would we know what the circumstances are if you're just not saying anything?
Hmm what are eyes. How does one even investigate crimes. And you call others dumb, that is rich.

>>65218892
>someone who works for you without payment expected
Who would that be? Please do tell me thats what you believe cops are for...

>>65219027
Cops show up to a scene where there's a dead guy in your living room. How do they know if he's supposed to be there or not when you're being Johnny Tightlips not saying nothin? Did you just shoot your buddy Tyrone after a gay lovers quarrel? Did the door get broken in an argument? They need to know those things. It's a fucking murder case, someone is dead. It's not just going to be brushed off unless there's clear reason to do so.

I've only dealt with a home invasion involving death of the perp once and we let the homeowner finish his sleep in his own house with his broken door. Had the coroner haul the body out and say have fun cleaning up the blood tomorrow, good job. Had to take the gun though *gasp* Now if he had just not said shit how would we know it was a home invasion? I mean how are you retards even going to put in the 911 call? "Uhh, yeah just come down here, there's a dead guy in my living room"

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>>65219085
>"Hello 911"
>I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING
>"What's the nature of your emergency, sir"
>YOU WON'T CATCH ME LIKE THAT PIG FUCKERS HAHAHAHAHA! I'M ON TO YOUR TRICKS!

>>65219035
I bet you love the fire department. The guys who have taxpayer funded ambulances but will wait around until a private company shows up to transport you, and charge you thousands in the process, while the fire faggots drive back to the fire station right next to the hospital.

The whole system is fucked buddy. Firefighters are not your friends, hospital staff are not your friends, lawyers are definitely not your friends. Cops at least work for you for "free." They'll be more inclined to come sacrifice themselves to save your ass in a home invasion than if it were happening at a politician's house, bet. Go ahead and try it, nobody ever fucking does so stfu.

pro tip: people who fear for their lives call police, not ambulance. and people who shot someone 8 times in the chest weren't sure if they even hit them, which is why they shot so many times. and victims of crime tend to flee the scene and barricade themselves in somewhere or hide, assailants run away, then return.

Why do you want to go back into your house when a knife wielding lunatic was there 10 seconds ago? To give first aid to a knife wielding lunatic you may or may not have just shot? unless told to re-enter the scene, don't. Nobody can say you tampered with evidence if you dumped rounds then immediately ran outside to where 3 witnesses saw you. "someone just broke into my house".

You self defence cause fails because
A. You didn't have a reasonable fear of your life, the assailant was not a serious threat, hadn't clearly intended to harm you, wasn't armed.
B. You detained the assailant, because at that point it becomes unclear if you shot them before, or after detaining them. If you were that scared you wouldn't have even tried to detain them, and if you had detained them it's hard to argue that they were a threat.
C. You hated this person, hate those kind of people generally, threatened them previously, it was your ex or your boss.

Your self defense case succeeds because
A. the attacker surprised you, or you approached them because you though they were someone you knew and needed help or were lost
B. they pulled out something that looked like a knife and yelled something like "arrrrr!" and tried to stab you
C. You dumped your whole mad at them, stumbled, ran away to call for help
D. police found a dead guy with 8 bullet holes in him and nobody to contradict your version of events.
E. You had no idea who this person was, their reasons, a total mystery.

>>65219085
>How do they know if he's supposed to be there or not when you're being Johnny Tightlips not saying nothin

"Huh there is a broken down door and the guy who is alive is the resident. Hmm. Better lock this guy up." Are you guys trained to make up murder mysteries in your mind?

>Did you just shoot your buddy Tyrone after a gay lovers quarrel? Did the door get broken in an argument? They need to know those things.
And you would just take someone's word for that? Of course not. If you even for a moment suspected that you would let them tell a tale and then lock them up anyway so they cant tamper with evidence. In that 1% of cases where you fantasy turns out remotely true, a proper investigation is needed anyway.

>unless there's clear reason to do so.
And you just spun a story anyway, even when there was clear reason. Either way I would spend the night in jail.

>Now if he had just not said shit how would we know it was a home invasion?
From the broken door you just mentioned, you collosal retard. You had already made up your mind before you talked to the guy, but like any cop you wont admit you have a bias.
>I mean how are you retards even going to put in the 911 call? "Uhh, yeah just come down here, there's a dead guy in my living room"
Yes. Noone is arguing against that. You are just too much of a piggy to see cop bias.

>>65219141
You're too stupid to work in law in any capacity. To the people not as retarded as you, to save yourself the booking and bail, just say "someone broke into my house and I shot them in self defense." It's that fucking simple.

>>65219141
In what world do you think coming off as weird and evasive after shooting a man in your house is going to protect you from police bias more than 'I feared for my life and had no choice'?
If they do decide to gum you up, which is more likely if you're being a fucking weirdo about it, do you think the jury is going to like hearing that you only started claiming self-defence days after, and were notably acting evasive and unusual when first responders arrived?
You don't have to give them your life story or a written and signed play-by-play but you're much less likely to draw ire or scrutiny if you act vaguely normal about it.

>>65210685
Daily reminder not to gobble pigs nuts just because you watched a youtube bodycam video of them arresting a 18 year old pedophile monster who was going after a 17 year old chick or because you played that retarded ready or not game

>>65212233
I bet you run every serial you see on here kek

It's actually terrifying how many low IQ retards ITT are saying you need to talk to the police or you go to prison. Do none of you know about your right to remain silent and request an attorney?

"Don't talk to the police" doesn't mean never speak to police ever, it means exercise your right to remain silent until you can have an attorney talk to police on your behalf or be present while you talk to police. You are all very stupid and deserve to go to prison if you talk to the police without an attorney.

>>65212233
Aren't you supposed to call it a "vehicle", faggot?
Why are you hanging out on a board dedicated to weapons? Aren't your ATF fag experts enough to teach you everything you need to know about guns and aren't you supposed to be tying people up and humiliating them because you shit yourself out of fear someone might yell at you?
Pigs deserve nigs

>>65213122
> Prosecutor here
> Herloo fellow anons, my job is ruining people's lives and keeping them as slaves for israeli industrial complex, it's just annuda job just like yours, we're all friends here yay

>>65219225
>immediately brings up DA JOOS unpromted
Out of curiosity how many traffic tickets have you escalated into arrests?

>>65210685
>self defense situation.
>I Llive in Jew York state
>bail
i chuckled

>>65219231
Out of curiosity, how many "arrests" (kidnappings) did you justify because a fellow piggie felt like it, ZOG bot?

>>65219158
>Wah, you argued and I don't know how to respond so I will just a retard...
>>65219167
>In what world do you think coming off as weird and evasive after shooting a man in your house is going to protect you from police bias more than 'I feared for my life and had no choice'?
In what world does it come of as wierd and evasive to say "well I don't want to give my statement at this time, but let us do that when I have my lawyer present just in case. I will let you do yours to secure evidence."
>If they do decide to gum you up, which is more likely if you're being a fucking weirdo about it, do you think the jury is going to like hearing that you only started claiming self-defence days after,
"The first statement and only statement my client has made is self defence" sounds good to me. A lot better than the DA going "the accused said 'that fucker came at me so I had to" as someone wierd who talks might say. Even worse if you say something factually wrong because your adrenaline is still pumping. Then you are an unreliable witness in your own trial. Really bad.
>notably unusual
Right after I shot someone. It would be bizarre if I wasn't.
>You don't have to give them your life story or a written and signed play-by-play but you're much less likely to draw ire or scrutiny if you act vaguely normal about it.
But thats genneraly what happens when you talk to cops. There are follow up questions. And it dosen't have to be 'written and signed' body cams are common, and cop notes can be the basis of an admissible police report.

>>65219231
> traffic tickets have you escalated into arrests?
do tell, pig faggot, how does so called escalation work here? how does one escalate towards being taken against his will because a pig decided to rob him for driving faster than a number says? to me that sounds more like a pig issue than anything else

>>65219216
>>65219225
Based schizo retard crashout.

>>65219213
>low IQ retards ignoring the only good post ITT

>>65219269
he's not wrong though, swines are massive faggots with a god complex who genuinely believe all of us are supposed to see them as heroes for some fucking reason because boomer MIGA retards sucked on their boots a few times on protests

>>65219273
>pretending to be a different person

>>65219266
>refusing to provide a valid license
>refusing to provide registration/insurance
These are very easy escalations that happen all the time because low IQ people think because they watched one reddit video they know everything (yes, you have the same opinion on the issues as redditors)

>>65219297
I fucked your wife last night and I refused to provide her with cab money

>>65219297
That sounds like a cop problem to me, why would he risk getting in a fight or getting killed, as cops like to fantasize, over some dumb guy who doesn't want to show his papers?
Matter of fact that sounds like unprovoked assault if anything

a lot of state poopers ITT lmao and here I thought /pol/ was a glowie central