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STOP THE COUNT: DO NOT MAKE 1776 UNTIL 7/4
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The calibre debate has been settled.
>perpetrator neutralised after just one (1) round
>condition ultimately incompatible with life
The terminal effect of 9x19 is now evident, any claims about "ballistic insufficiency" are either made in bad faith or the result of ignorance.
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>>65211069
He would have been at least twice as dead if he was shot with 45 ACP
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>>65211062
a while back people talked about a /hg/ bill drill leaderboard, I'll start with a 1.73

my favorite drill to do, as Ben Stoeger (IIRC) put it, look at a point on the target with hatred in your heart and then you let it rip
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>>65211062
is that the fabled Combart Accushartcy stance I've been hearing so much about?
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>>65211079
>closest firing range near me that allows holster draws is membership only
>you need to know a member before you can even apply
>the rest are a few hours drive from me
I cope by shooting from low ready
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>>65211075
>would have been at least twice as dead
kek
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>>65211079
wew lad
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>>65211087
I recommend going to a shooting event like action shooting international (designed to be less rules based and more chill + practical than IDPA or USPSA) or steel match and just talk to guys there. I did that and they were telling me about how you become a "RSO" at this one range near me and then you have unfettered access once a week at like 6PM on thusday to do whatever the fuck you want.
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>>65211093
I can do that in the members-only range. There's also another one east of me (also members-only). I'll just continue to cope with low ready and doing holster drills in the garage.
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>>65211087
>iktf
>There's a club that'll let anyone join for about $660/yr
>Hour drive from me
>indoor range is open until midnight though
I'm fucking tempted at this point.
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>>65211315
660 is a fucking kings ransom, I'm paying 440 and that's almost too much but its a decent indoor range and literally has no rules (due to keeping the riff raff out with the entry fee).
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>>65211315
Is it Hartford gun club by any chance? I was thinking of joining too. All the other clubs in the state are super fuddy, super exclusive, or both.
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>>65211315
>>65211326
Does the $660 cover the actual range visit? The closest range to me charges $30 (no time limit) and I try to go at least twice a week.
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>>65211329
Yes, yes it is. Everyone in CT seems to recommend it, but I'm a bit hesitant because I don't want to join it and it's like I'm going to fucking Blue Trail. Everywhere else I look seems to want you to know someone, has a waiting list, or has some extra shit attached to it.
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Real cuckstate hours
>t. califaggot
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>>65211315
do they have scantily clad masseurs to bring you a wet towel and hors d'oeuvres afterwards?
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>>65211334
Hello fellow Connecticunt. Hope your AW certs are coming in.

Blue Trail kinda sucks but I do enjoy their shotgun field. Just wish they'd maintain it better. They get away with a lot of bs because they're like the only gig in town.

It's the drive that's preventing me from joining HGC. It's like an hour from me too.
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>>65211333
Yes.
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imagine not being allowed to just go outside and shoot
I though you guys were free lmao
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>>65211069
Why did the officer shoot an unarmed, nakwd man instead of tazing him?
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>>65211349
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>>65211348
>Blue Trail kinda sucks but I do enjoy their shotgun field. Just wish they'd maintain it better.
Man I thought the place would be nicer when I heard about it. I fucking go there one day with a buddy and the pistol range is fucking downhill, the rifle range only goes 100 yards and you have to fucking sit or lay down. I ended up shooting a shotgun there with slugs while sitting down and it was awkward as fuck.
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>>65211069
BAD SHOOT.
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>>65211355
>>65211389
Transitioning to less lethal would have given the perpetrator enough time to close the distance which could have lead to the policeman being disarmed and executed with the service pistol.
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>>65211380
It's lame. I hate that they have the retard-barrier on the rifle range so you only get to shoot out of a little slit. It seems to make everything much more concussive.

Also the
>sheesh faaaahr, sheesh faaahr on the entaaare covered firing line
has become a meme with me and my buddies
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>>65211460
doesn't your state have ranges on game land that they maintain?
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I got the USP a friend :)
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>>65211522
based pristine firearms collector
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>>65209172
fucking based af!
>>65209282
also based
>>65210287
not a fan of rds, but otherwise looking sexy
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>>65211509
I know of one, which I usually shoot at. It's a better experience than Blue Trail but there are severe limitations. Like, only 8 pistol lanes and 8 rifle lanes. And it's only open to the public 9-5 on saturdays and 9-12 on sundays. And the usual restrictions like no drawing from the holster, no rapid fire, and so on.

Don't worry, you can join and become a member of this lovely shooting association - if you manage to submit an application for the 15 minutes a year they accept new applicants. Members get to use the range any day of the week. But still, it's just 8 lanes each of 7-25yd pistol and 25-100yd rifle. It's not exactly amazing
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>>65211509
>doesn't your state have ranges on game land
They have these wonderful offerings for the fine citizens, yes. Do you want to hear more about them?
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>>65211315
>>65211326
wtf. They just raised mine to $200 a couple of years ago and I was pissed. God damn you'd have to go like 70 times a year to make $666 break even let alone be a deal
>CT
I see. So the range is essentially held hostage by preposterously illogical and ever-increasing wildlife/public safety/lead contamination/insurance bullshit, crafted with the malicious intent of pricing the range out bit by bit until they must succumb to the exorbitant taxes, fees and insurance, finally allowing the malevolent Demonrats to shut down the evil child-murder training facility that they've been twisting the screws on for decades
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She wont fuck you. Your dick is little. You dont show any strength faggot. She wont fuck you damn.
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>>65211677
>God damn you'd have to go like 70 times a year to make $666 break even let alone be a deal
Pretty sure most ranges here start at $40/hour as well for range time. Blue Trail is like 40 bucks for the whole day, stay and shoot as long as you want...but it's shitty.
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>>65211062
I'm going to bake 1776 early when it's time because this is stupid.
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>>65211665
find the game warden and kick him in the balls
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>>65211732
found the commie faggot
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>>65211665
Wooster Mtn
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>>65211665
Glastonbury
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>>65211665
High Rock
lmao
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She literally wont fuck you this weekend. Kill yourself.
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>>65211771
>this weekend
what about next
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>>65211779
You will be anal fucked by your fingers she wont fuck you dude.
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My steel match weight came in, this thing is fuckin SOLID. I’m fully willing to commit many goycoins to upgrade this old thing, next up is a Jarvis extended barrel
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>>65211806
She still prefer big black dick over you at walmart runs faggot.
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>>65211355
he was white
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you okay there lil buddy?
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>>65211333
God damn, $60 a week just in range fees?
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>>65211427
I didn't recognize Jason Bourne without his clothes on.
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>>65211806
Where'd you get the weight? is it a hkparts piece? looks nice
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>>65211862
it's a Match Weight Match Weight. way better than HK parts trash.
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>>65211522
Nice. I didn't know those had ambi lowers. If you could please do one thing for me, please get a different afg. Something about that one rubs me wrong and this is a nice rifle it deserves something cooler.
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>>65211822
Hey little buddy, how's it going today?
Landon is your name.
Scrub it up boy. Clean it up or that stain is just going to stay.
Hey little buddy, now we're having some fun.
Scrub it all up with the suuuuun.
Let's go, Landon. Picking it up. Landon loves cleaning it up.
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>>65211791
She might not fuck me but she will let me shake my penis around inside her.
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>>65211880
>way better
That's bleak.
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>>65211906
mine was aluminum and I dropped it. hk parts shit is literally trash and also destroyed guns
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>>65211522
>>65211888
Wrong, he better be waiting on the SBR paperwork to come back but even then that's pretty gay. Makes sense he's an HK owner.
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>>65211888
Checked!
I'm open to suggestions on the AFG. I bought that one because I was going to buy a vertical grip but remembered
>lol "pistol" teehee
So bought the first result for "magpul angled foregrip" off amazon
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>>65211964
But anon if I SBR it then I can't post it in handgun general anymore!
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>>65211862
This anon >>>65211880 is correct, it’s a match weight. I reached out a while back asking when they’d have more steel weights for the .45 and they said to just buy the aluminum (.25oz) weight and when they had stock for the steel I could just pay the difference. I saw they restocked recently and immediately bought one
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>>65211968
Just get a vfg once you sbr it or decide to stop following laws.
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>>65211982
>$350
Insanity
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>>65211999
Holy numbers.
Still not SBRing. I live too close to the state line and I'm not getting the permission slip every time I cross it. If the ATF actually gets rid of that I may reconsider but otherwise there's really no point. I known we have be all
>haha a brace isn't a stock teehee :^)
But pragmatically they're the same. The only reason to SBR this is aesthetics and I simply cannot justify a form 1 for looks. Even if it's free.
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>>65211062
Is the intruder to think that the light is being held at shoulder height, and that the guy is fucking 13 feet tall?
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>>65212003
A Surefire x300 is 0.25oz for $300, a $350 0.75oz front weight doesn’t feel so bad. The only thing I’ve used my Surefire for is hip fire shooting at 15 yards
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>>65212020
Yes, they'll think they broke into slendermans house and run away.
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>>65211971
As long as you got the USP in frame, that SBR would just be something in the background. Totally fine to post.

>>65212014
Ok that makes sense. Still, I'd argue the drip is important.
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>>65212026
>$350 for a block of steel isn't so bad when you consider a high quality wml is 300
Are you retarded?
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>>65212081
are you?
post guns
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>At indoor range
>Absolutely fucking whiff a .357 shot
>Sends the target holder flying
>Target falls into the middle of the lane
Kek. Guess I'm going somewhere else for a couple weeks.
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>>65212103
>ppk
so what gives you the right to criticize how other people spend their money?
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>>65212106
The ppk is an extremely well made, all stainless, classic from a reputable company. It's not a 350 dollar paperweight for a moron that needs a crutch because he can't manage recoil.
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>>65212103
ppanon?
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>>65212110
>The ppk is an extremely well made, all stainless, classic from a reputable company
lol
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>>65212111
The ppk/s is not a pp. And pp anon cannot afford a new gun.
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>>65212114
darn i was hoping you were ppanon
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>>65212112
Is it not stainless? If you'd like to refute one of those points, go for it.
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>>65212026
I could get like 20lbs of o1 for that price. I don't think cost to weight is the way you want to go here.
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Must learn how to channel Robert Patrick in Terminator 2: Judgment Day, blank firing a 92FS indoors with neither eye nor ear protection but managing to suppress flinch.

>>65211852
>Bourne without his clothes
Top heh.
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>>65212124
For $350, you could get 583 pounds of potatoes, or 5 ounces of silver.
>>65212026
If you're bad at managing recoil, just tie your pistol down with braided steel cable, like they do in nogunz countries to keep people from suiciding at the gun range. That'll help tame the recoil.
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>>65212124
Do you think I have a machine that allows me to fit the steel block to the USP for less than $350? Fucking retard
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>>65212137
you could get around 200 white monsters if you bought in bulk
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>>65212147
I'm just going to pretend like you're joking now. Dealt with too many retards this week.
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>>65212147
>buys a steel weight for $350 because he's too much of a whimp to handle recoil
>calls others retard
Dude, just get a .22.
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>>65212151
Do you think that guy has a machine that lets him fit the monster to his usp? And how much does 200 monsters weigh?
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>>65212153
>”Hey guys I bought this weight to make shooting this outdated gun more enjoyable”
>”Erm akshully you should’ve bought a FLASHLIGHT because every gun must be PRACTICAL”

I buy things for my guns because I think they’re cool and will make shooting more enjoyable
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>>65212157
im not doing the math or google searching but i'd imagine at least a couple of a pounds
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>>65212155
I don't think it's really about recoil control, it's more about it being the USP match weight
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>>65212158
>I buy things for my guns because I think they’re cool
See there is the problem. This is a perfectly valid reason but you went and made that weird cost/weight justification. You're still the only one talking about flashlights, nobody else is doing that.
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>>65212163
me when im a communist and i see a westerner purchase a bourgeoise element for their handgun
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>>65212168
me when I'm fucking stupid.
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>>65212163
Y’know I tried looking back to quote someone about flashlights but I realize I AM the only one bitching about that, so I’ll concede the point. I’m just butthurt that I wanted to share something I think is cool and exciting and instead im getting razzed for how much I spent on it
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>>65212103
based seiko enjoyer
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>>65211696
IT OTTER BE ILLEGAL
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>>65212173
don't worry about it, I've spent more on things that are memes
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>>65212180
lets just say I paid 800 dollars for basically this barrel and slide
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PSA shipped my CZ-82 with a magazine that had busted floorplate clips. I did a guts transfer with a 10 rounder, ripped the spring assembly out and put the non-cucked one in. I feel like I freed a sea turtle from a plastic bag
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>>65212171
me when im too poor to own a cool gurn :3
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I'm getting a smitty snubnose
Should I get a lock hole plug? Are there downsides?
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This is sort of a shameful post - I haven't shot a handgun in probably 2-3 years at this point, but I used to shoot frequently about 10 years ago. I've been accumulating random guns while on the grind doing other things and my neighbor just gave me about $2k in ammo and various handguns for a very reasonable price, so it's probably time to get back into it. I was looking into the CZ75 vs omega and it feels like the omega trigger is better but apparently the non-omega mods can get it to a better state. I don't really have time to deal with autistically researching anymore, so I just wanted to get some feedback on what I should dump my money into.

not pictured: other cheap 1911s, an unreasonable number of beretta 92s and all sorts of revolvers. the berettas are okay. the 1911s and revolvers are too low capacity, but in general quite nice to shoot.
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>>65212213
>so I just wanted to get some feedback on what I should dump my money into.
Two 'echs
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>>65212213
>This is sort of a shameful post
Clearly, because you can't orient a pic correctly lol
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>>65212198
kek, nice. I love my 82, it's a fantastic gun. I need to find some mags for it.
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>>65212213
none of those guns have a red dot, that's what I'd do first
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>>65212213
See >>65212221
ya fucking boomer
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Browsed Armslist for the first time in years today
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>>65212137
>For $350, you could get
>5 ounces of silver
GOT DAYUM I fucking made it nigga like ho-ly FUCK fool sheeeit
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>>65212218
>>65212222
you will eventually become the retarded phoneposting boomer and you will remember me and my struggle.

that being said, any specific recommendations for the gun to cut? I enjoy CZ ergos. I have a few guns I don't really want to modify because they were owned by a cop who was clearly a gun guy before he died (his wife sold them to me) and I have a weird hangup about modifying gunbro's stuff.
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>>65212273
I would say something with a good trigger because it would become your favorite new gun, the Beretta M9A4 is already optic cut but it's not a super good optic host unless you use aftermarket plates that are lower.

The Sig P226 I am pretty sure you can buy an optic cut slide for.

CZs are easy to cut compared to the Beretta and have alot of options for different plate systems.
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>>65212288
>I would say something with a good trigger because it would become your favorite new gun
*I'm biased towards optics, but once you learn how to use one it's so much faster and accurate to use
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>>65212288
I may try cutting the cz75 omega slide. The trigger is kind of shitty but my wife wants to get a suppressor for it to use as a stroller gun. I don't really want to mess with the p226 for the aforementioned reason, but the trigger does feel much better than any of the CZs.
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>>65211427
>Transitioning to less lethal would have given the perpetrator enough time to close the distance
with his boner? Guy was going to assault the tough donut with a boner? fat cop drew his gun immediately before even being able to assess the threat, and there was no threat. Cop will be in prison soon.
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>>65211069
>The terminal effect of 9x19 is now evident
Well the target had to be completely naked, non-aggressive, short, sober, and white.
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>>65211075
>Reincarnated In Another World With A Gaping Chest Wound And The Goddess's Level 999 Healing Magic Can't Do Shit?!
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>>65211522
Not to get all AR focused but damn is that a nice MR556, how’s it shoot suppressed?
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>>65212338
>Cop will be in prison soon
for what? the "perp" was white
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>>65212363
Closest thing I can compare it to is like shooting a .22 magnum rifle. The forward weight with the can keeps the muzzle down and there's literally no concussion. I haven't been able to shoot in retard mode yet (closest commercial range is gay and dumb) but we'll try it out soon.
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>>65212379
Hell yeah, I really want one
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>>65211694
Meds
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>>65212338
Yeah no shit Sherlock, everyone else arrived at that conclusion already. Vid is only making the rounds BECAUSE it was such a blatantly bad shoot
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>>65212213
hey bud, if you have an inox beretta 92 barrel, mind selling that to me?
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Don't want to wake the kids so get a supressor.
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>>65212405
>Yeah no shit Sherlock
wait.....how'd you know my name was Sherlock? Can you see my name? I thought this site was anonymous
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>>65212533
If you don't create an account it autofills a lot of your information. If you did create an account you have to go into the settings and set it to anonymous.
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Put some new grips on my battered STI Spartan. It shoots nice, going to shoot an IPSC Classic match this coming week with it.
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>>65211348
I came too late to the AW certs party so I can’t be trusted.
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>>65211880
It doesn't say Match on the side though
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>>65212198
Haha, excellent work, Anon
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>>65211079
The Bill Drill never really took off because only the top 10% of performers and the lowest scoring shooter here cared about scores.
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>>65212900
I don't respect the Bill Drill

Only the much more formal William Drilliam
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>>65212942
that's a misconception, the proper name was willem drillfoe
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>>65211880
I hate how Langdon puts their little tramp stamp on everything they touch.
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>>65212344
>completely naked
Denim layers testing has already proven that 9x19 JHP's from reputable manufacturers will expand reliably
>non-aggressive
The perpetrator continued his advance even at the sight of a pistol thus signaling relentlessness determination to assault.
>short, sober
Makes no difference in strikes to the CNS or heart.
>white
Melanin does not function as ballistic armour, I assure you.

>>65212338
>fat cop drew his gun immediately
It only takes 1.5 seconds for a perpetrator to sprint seven yards, any delay in drawing leaves you vulnerable to his attack [videoed] hence the Dennis Tueller drill [21ft Rule]
>Cop will be in prison
Fired by the department but there will be no criminal charges provided that he remained silent instead of self incriminating by speaking to investigators.
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>>65212900
And I would guess that among the minority of shooters in a position to practice and time their bill drills, only a smaller minority film themselves doing it. Here are a couple of mine from early last year, but I can't usually keep up good accuracy while cranking up the speed. At least I kept them all on the target with the P228.
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>>65213043
The issue is that thanks to one bad apple no one can in good faith post groups without posting their form, a video of them shooting, a camera focused on their targets at the same time, a piss test, 2 references and a police chief's signature, because somebody may get mad that people shoot better than him.
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>>65213081
Not a unique problem, solution existed since old times, we need a formal match
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>>65213081
You mean the schizo that doesn't post handguns, targets or shooting range /k/ontent of any kind? There might be more than one but it's best to just ignore and report those types.
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>shitty out of focus blurry photo of the most run of the mill glawk on /k/ accompanied by a very reddit passive aggressive bitchpost that amounts to nagging
SNAPbin never fails to come across as a chris chan tier tranny
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I've been working on my speed at the range lately and it got me thinking about speed and accuracy standards in today's shooting world. Basically everyone uses full-size USPSA/IPSC targets to measure their accuracy. The A zone is 15cm wide, 28cm tall, or roughly 6x11 inches. This was determined way back in the day by the people who founded IPSC. My question is: did they size the A zone the way they did to encourage faster shooting by a wider population of competitors? Or is it actually based on human anatomy? What if they had tightened the accuracy standard and made the A zone 4x8 inches? Or 3x5? I wonder if we would be as focused on speed as we are now.
For example, if I put a 3x5 notecard in the middle of a USPSA target at 10 yards, I can reliably put all my shots in there, but my splits are like .45-.50 which is an absolute snails pace by modern standards. And that's a hard wall too. Any faster, and the accuracy suffers. I have no doubt some IPSC world shoot champion could do it quicker, but for the average shooter I think there is an actual unbreakable relationship between speed and accuracy.
Or I'm just coping. That could be the case too.
Pic related, they almost made the IPSC target easier.
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Didn't do too good at my 2nd practical pistol course
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Kneeling, sitting and prone is where I'll need more practice
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>>65213229
>>65213226
Are you European? I very rarely see this style of target and course in the US.
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>>65213238
I assure you that I am violently American lol
Also those are NRA targets, says so on the top
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>>65213238
That is the classic B-27 police qualification target, it was very popular in the U.S. but has been replaced with more modern targets like USPSA/IDPA/IPSC style targets in popularity.
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>>65213245
Europeans use the NRA B-27 and variants for their centerfire competitions. I don't see it here outside of 90s era police qual courses and those splatterburst targets you buy at Cabela's. Most everyone has moved onto USPSA targets.
>>65213246
right
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>>65213190
>out of focus blurry photo
What you're seeing is reduced image quality because the lack of lighting. This was done intentionally for a comparison: tritium sight expectations versus reality. This photo was taken without "night mode", the lamps are much dimmer and narrower as you can see.
>passive aggressive
I don't file reports so don't blame me if the hammer comes down.
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>>65213238
How the hell is this rare? I’ve only ever gotten these targets…
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What do we think of 5.7x28?
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>>65213220
A zone contains the heart and spine. If you want to include the lungs then the zone is more circular like the IDSC shape. The heart is about the size of a 3x5 notecard and I’ve been modifying USPSA targets by taping a heart into the center of the A zone.
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>>65213260
What does it do better than 7.62x25 Tok?
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>>65213260
Actually a good round, lives up to the hype. Too expensive to be practical if you actually shoot. More than a few thousand rounds/year.
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>>65213246
>replaced with more modern targets like USPSA/IDPA/IPSC style targets
>>65213251
>Most everyone has moved onto USPSA targets
It's the ones the club buys. Since it seems most others went to "modern" targets I assume the club get them on the cheap. I'm new to competitive handgun shooting even though I'm just doing practices. I've shot 3P small bore and got some awards years ago, small bore sporter rifle leagues and I did a few casual trap leagues.
Practical pistol makes sense for me now to get better with my P220s.
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>>65213260
Ideal in a subcarbine with auto reset/fire, makes less sense in a pistol
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>>65213269
Was there any kind of time standard in the course you took?
Also congrats on the 3p smallbore accomplishments, I've always wanted to try that but nobody near me does it.
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>>65213255
sure you don't SNAPbin
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>>65213266
Better bullet selection. More variety.
>>65213276
Auto seems like a waste. Give me burst and even then this is pushing it. Out of a pistol yields interesting results. Blue tip, t6b, etc. Subs is actually really interesting out of a pistol.
>>65213267
It’s honestly cheaper than what it was. Affordable to shoot in 1000’s.
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>>65213281
>any kind of time standard
Each mag has 6 rounds each, many others using 6 shot revolvers and speed loaders
20 seconds, 2 mags offhand, larger target at 21'
90 seconds, 3 mags, 1 per position, kneeling, weak hand barricade, strong hand barricade, larger target at 50'
180 seconds, 4 mags, 1 per position, sitting, prone, weak hand barricade, strong hand barricade, smaller target at 50' simulating 50 yards
12 seconds 1 mag at 32' simulating 25 yards
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>>65213291
>seems like a waste
Any number of rounds is well spent in defense of your life or that of family.
>Give me burst
You don't need a ratchet for that, look up "controlled bursts".
>Blue tip, t6b
Those would also work in a P90 magazine, it's not an issue.
>Subs
IMO, a suppressed pistol makes less sense than a suppressed PS90 / P90.

>>65213290
Not even the guy who posted a dossier about me. I simply do not file reports.
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>>65213329
P90 suppressed is interesting but would be inferior to pistol. The answer is having both.
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>>65213345
You can put a sling on a P90 / PS90 but can you put a suppressed Five-seveN in your holster?
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>>65213420
Isn’t it a little early for this?
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>>65213378
Suffering. I’m leaning toward a mk ii, but giving the usg side eye for holster options. I don’t know if the holster availability for the mkii has improved. Technically some might work and be a bit snug, but who knows. I’m down bad.
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>>65212184
Neat.
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>>65213448
Thots on the Gen 6?
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>>65213463
Picked it up yesterday, so nothing to say RE: performance until I put a few hundred rounds through it tomorrow. It's a Glonk though, so it's 99.99% likely to be the same as any other glonk where accuracy and function are concerned.

This is the fifth or so Glock 19/17 I've owned over the last 20 or so years. Gen 2, 3 and 4 previously. I'm feeling pretty good about the changes they've made ergonomically. Same general Glonk grip angle, which is generally why I end up trading them off after a while, but I'm committing to it this round. The texturing is great, very grippy. They've added a textured step that acts as a half-assed gas pedal towards the front of the frame. Will see if that has actual utility tomorrow, feels pretty good dry firing.

COA seems to be a solid optic. Basically an updated ACRO with less bezel/body and convenient enough controls and adjustments placement.
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P17 owners of /hg/, how is the suppressor experience? I got it as a cheap plinker but I’m starting to seriously hate the thin ass grip. I’m hoping the suppressor experience is nice. If not, I’ll probably just sell and get a Mark IV or S&W 17-3.
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Check out what I just blew all my money on guys. A colt 1911 that may become a project gun...
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>>65213531
And a tacky but sexy engraved sp101.
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>>65213536
I kinda like it
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>>65213580
Yeah I thought it was stupid at first but it's going on me. Bought it because I wanted a snubbie to pocket carry and I have a buddy who I knew would think it was awesome because he likes tacky shit. Also got it for slightly cheaper than the normal ss ones.
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>>65213190
Dude legit will go back to prior threads and complain about posts too. He is obsessed.
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>>65213632
He's a genuine freak, no clue how he navigates the real world
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>>65213324
Oh so it's a PPC-derived accuracy focused thing. I wish I had something like that around me. Very cool. Keep practicing anon, you'll get better.
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>>65213291
>>65213329
Sub 5.7 exists. It's just that the whole point of 5.7 was for it to be very fast to penetrate armor. So you're basically shooting spicy 22LR at that point.

The P90 cyclic rate is pretty slow. You absolutely can burst it.
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>>65213433
>down bad.
Yeah, it's interesting how 5.7 pistols have true double stack magazines as opposed to all the staggered designs that funnel towards the feed lips.

>>65213888
Checked.
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I was finally able to take my Glock 43x to the range today and I shot 150 rounds of 115 grain out of it
It is a surprisingly shootable gun for its size and I like the trigger more than the Shield Plus
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>>65213260
I like it but 9mm is still way cheaper
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>>65214079
Recently replaced my PDP with a 47. All roads lead to Glock.
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>>65214150
Yeah Glock is just too practical to ignore
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Glocks are the most basic nigger bitch shit imaginable. I don't understand the cult following behind them.
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>>65214182
they work
mags are cheap
everyone makes everything for them
Everyone should have at least one Glock in their collection
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>>65214182
If you were heading into a combat zone, would you take a $300 Hamilton watch, a $100 Fossil watch or a $20 Casio?

By that token, would you take a $3000 Staccato, a $1000 USP or a $400 Glock?
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>>65214224
I'm taking the 1800 MK23
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>>65213536
Change out the grips and it will look good.
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>>65214224
The Glock is the obvious choice simply for the fact that magazines are cheap and plentiful to replace
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>>65214036
It’s just an awesome round. Soon to replace 9mm as the primary ammo I stock. P90 is just fantastic. Five Seven too even with the magazine safety. Just gotta narrow down which model. I’m tempted to try to get an early iom (picrel), but mk ii is objectively the most solid with the one piece (not welded) slide. Not too interested in the mk3
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>>65214195
You could say the same things about a million other guns
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>>65214224
>If you were heading into a combat zone
How many of you fags have ACTUALLY been in a combat zone? Now translate that to any general population and I'm willing to bet a vast majority of shooters not in service are using them as either range toys or training tools 99% of the time.
Glock's claim to fame is the fact they're piss cheap for niggers to traffic en masse around ghettos and shoot anything that moves with them.
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>>65214224
USP obviously, why would I not pick one of the most reliable over built firearms ever made?
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>>65214182
They're the opposite of a cult following, they're like Camrys, they're just the cheapest functional reliable option.
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>>65214263
>traffic en masse around ghettos
That would be Taurus and non-Glock slides on non-Glock grip-frames

Glocks are simply the most proven poly striker on the market and not just because of seniority. Rigorous tests of their mettle are conducted every day [videoed]

>>65214242
>replace 9mm as the primary ammo I stock
It's a bold strategy, Cotton but you must do as you feel is right of course.
>Not too interested in the mk3
You'd have your Mk II milled and drilled for an optic mount?
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>>65214248
Oh hell no
USP mags are expensive, as is anything from HK
Sig mags arent cheap either
Nor are Beretta Mags
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>>65214320
Poorfag
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>>65214182
It's a sort of expression. Nobody buys a glock these days with the plans of leaving it stock. They get it so they can customize it the way they want.
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Corrected my zero at 25 for my staccato. Ignore the off target shots.
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>>65214352
>average low, left
Switch to a weaver stance
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>>65214352
>>65214367
And use a modified revolver grip.
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>>65213531
Love a nice stainless 1911. I’m considering buying a cheapo SS TISAS to work on and upgrade as a project gun. I’ve been filing and smoothing some things in my series 80, but I don’t want to muck around with that one
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>>65213996
>The superior model in the superior cartridge
I kneel
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>>65213996
What exactly does the expert have over the stock .45?
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>>65214380
>>65214367
>my super speshul grip will solve all your problems
He's shooting low left because he's having trigger control and grip pressure issues. I cringe a little every time I see one of you cross-thumb dunces at the range.
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>>65214409
NTA but better trigger, match sights (just blacked out adjustable sights), longer sight radius, uses o-rings. Maybe other shit too.
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>>65214150
for me its the 49
i like having the magazine compatibility the 19 frame provides but the recoil/slide length of the 47
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>>65214438
How does one fix the trigger control and grip issues
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>>65214497
just hold the gun correctly
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>>65214306
>You'd have your Mk II milled and drilled for an optic mount?
Nay. Irons and laser like its 1998.
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>>65214503
Very good, anon. Keep us posted!
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>>65214224
Staccato

>>65214409
Comes stock with the match trigger kit, tends to be the same price, better sights, longer barrel, calls you Expert.

>>65214352
That’s a solid grouping, you have a clear idea of what you need to improve on.

Watch Ben Stoeger’s grip videos, I’ll bet that’s the source of your issue with trigger control. My 25 yard groups, funny how the other guys don’t have groups to post
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>>65211315
shit dude i pay 100 bucks a year for a 100yd range, a pistol bay, 3 multipurpose 50yd bays and a 300yd range.
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>>65214497
Hold and pull the trigger correctly.

Watch videos from Ben Stoeger/Joel Park about grip and how much grip tension you should be using. Take a slow mo video of your shooting hands and try to see if you can obviously see something going on. Have someone else look.

Many people think the purpose of grip is to maximize recoil control and keep the gun flat. That’s kind of a fool’s errand and will fuck you up. What it actually should be is to maintain control over the gun, the gun is going to recoil, let it. Let the gun recoil but maintain control, the recoil should be predictable. You’re trying to get the gun back on target, not keep it from leaving the target.

Why should you listen to me? >>65211079

Go watch Ben Stoeger’s videos. They are what lead to my breakthroughs in marksmanship and speed shooting. He puts out the best no bullshit content for free.
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why do people always use zeroing targets and never the right practice targets? In the book On Killing the retired army guy/author said the military finally learned to train the shooters with life like or humanoid targets to improve kill ratio
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>>65214688
Faggot reads books

lol
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>>65214666
Always and especially for you.
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>>65214700
Nig mentality
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>>65214667
>calls you Expert
And Operator!
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I want a gun i can carry very easily without needing to break out the Special Carrying-a-Gun wardrobe, what are some specific models i should check out? Currently have a p229 but its not easy to conceal

for self defense against wackos, i’ve seen more than the usual number of crazies lately, last one was walking down the street flipping a fuckoff big butterfly knife and just screaming his head off about how he was angry being crazy

I don’t anticipate the need to defend myself against more than one person, so i was thinking of a pocket revolver or possibly even derringer

Comfort and ease of carrying is paramount
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>>65214766
Check out the thin microcompacts: G43/G43X/G48, P365, Shield Plus, VP9CC, CC9, Bodyguard 2.0, CSX, LCP Max
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>>65214688
>On Killing
Written by a guy who never saw a single minute in his entire career. Total bullshit cover to cover.
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>>65214766
>Comfort and ease of carrying is paramount
Not sure what's wrong with a Glock 19 but the absolute easiest way to carry is pocket carry or ankle holster. Get yourself an S&W Airweight or Ruger LCR
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>>65214232
I was looking at some wood ones
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>>65214382
Yeah I figure any part I want to work on I'm just gonna buy a new one and hand fit it so I'll have all the original bits in case I fuck up
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>>65214766
If you haven't you should go finger fuck the new generation of micro compact 9s. They are tiny, fit in the hand beautifully, and have great capacity. If that's still more than you want then yea a snub nose in your pocket is probably the best option.
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>>65211355
to be fair if you approach me butt ass naked im not even going to think about whether its a justifiable use of deadly force and punch plugs out of your chest.
I'm sorry, I don't care about your little mental breakdown, I am not babysitting a beligerant naked guy.
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>>65214688
idk what a zeroing target is but I mostly buy rifle targets and shoot them with my pistols too.
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>>65214438
It's not a one size fits all solution
Works for me at 50'
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>>65214888
And yeah I should start using snap caps to eliminate flinch
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>>65214841
Nice. imo either go all wood or all something else. The hybrid grips look weird on every finish.
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>>65214766
My favorite solution for carrying a gun without "carrying a gun" setup - no holster, no belt, just clip this thing into waistband
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>>65212219
Behold. I think I got them for like $35 each.

Does anyone know what's up with the different pouches?
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>>65211062
Pissed on my horse tits
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Thinking about buying a shoulder holster again…
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>>65214872
>idk what a zeroing target is
.....look up zeroing targets?.....also follow up on the concept of training to shoot humanoid targets for reasons explained above?.....
I did a quick search for you because I know who exhausting typing can be. I am not promoting the site, its provides a succinct explanation
https://www.tacticaltargetsystems.com/post/why-training-with-realistic-anatomy-targets-boosts-survival-skills
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>>65215095
That looks way too high. She's gonna be grabbing her titty by accident.
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Is there a reasonn not to do that?
Just using it for stable resting while doing load developments
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>>65214787
>Shield Plus
funny you mention that
there's a good deal going on with a lot of places where you can get a ton of extra mags for free
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>>65215397
A jeet will grab her and set it off
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>>65215407
You could get similar results with a bench wrest/bag no? If you absolutely need stability to rule out human error I'd get a weighted tripod.
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>>65215407
Hope you're doing well, buddy
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>>65211315
>>65211326
Man, the aggressively mediocre range in Portland is only $100 a year ($50 to renew) and $15 per visit for member and guests afterwards.
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>>65215661
It depends where I shoot, at some ranges there isnt a flat surface for a bag but a edge a bipod could dig in. I wonder if its cracking the frame but i dont see how.
>>65215789
Very well, working 7 days a week IMAO. Today i make a water emulsifieng rust protectant, a road dust inhibitor and stamping oils for steel.

Months ago I ordered a Bergara HMR because my dream rifle (HMR PRO) got out of production and last week i found one used and bought it, now i get 2 rifles within weeks. 1x 6.5 Creedmoor and 1x 300PRC. Cant wait for my 1st bolty :D
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>>65215910
At least in comparison to a metal frame I'd wager the plastic will flex more which should keep it more intact. As long as the plastic can flex the forces out it should be fine, but if you do thousands of rounds you may see some issues.
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>>65215910
>HMR PRO
That's awesome, man. What do you like about the HMRs? I'm looking for a first bolt action
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Honest thoughts on the ruger rxm? Are there really any better alternatives for the price?
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>>65215159
>.....?.....
Hey what's up girl how you doin? Don't see a lot of ladies around here much less one as pretty as you. What brought you here tonight are you with someone?
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Are ripcords for cleaning a meme?
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>>65216009
Yes, buy cotton cloths and use a traditional bore cleaning rod or swabs instead.
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>>65214766
>Comfort and ease of carrying is paramount
Nothing beats a J-frame if this is your absolute main concern.
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>>65215918
nah i try to keep it under 200rnds, just grouping to find good reloading charges for the Glawk.
>>65215950
Both of them are a super choice for beginners, barrel lenght, profile, integral chassis and so on make them perfect. The HMR is super, i already got a Match trigger (the HMR PRO includes the identical one already) back when I didnt know the HMR PRO will be bought. You can just drop it in and its done, but better get the Triggertech Diamond for real LRP. The HMR PRO is just a bit better in terms of action, bolt and material. Here its worth it to put it into a real chassis like KRG or MDT and even shoot out barrels and buy match barrels. For now I let them stock, just the Trigger and done. Later i buy Vision PRO chassis for the HMR Pro and make it "custom".
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>>65215967
Surprisingly great gun. I didn't expect to love mine as much as I do. The grip, especially the fullsize one, is great. It has completely supplanted my desire to get a gen 6 glawk especially since I feel gen 6 dropped the ball on a lot of stuff like the optics system and the stupid beaver tail. It also makes echelonfags seethe for some reason which I also find entertaining. I'm probably gonna get another one eventually desu. Not sure if I'll do a fullsize or not
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>>65211522
>Why the big red HK on the gun? Do you have to remind yourself.
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>>65215967
It’s a Gen 3 Glock dude.
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>>65215072
The most expensive 38splc revolver.
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Had a decent volley of shots with the 92fs today. I don't like that the targets sway but it adds a decent challenge
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>>65216334
10 yards? Why is that group so big
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>>65216373
be nice!
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>>65216373

The target swings on the line
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>>65216396
Cope.
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>>65216426

Krill issue
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>>65216334
Are you a lefty?
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>>65216431

Negative, righty. Pulling too hard overall. My sights are also partially obfuscated by the suppressor
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Nightmare of a match. Fumbling, missing the first shot, and my Trijijew RCR died mid stage
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>>65216602

Silver lining: everyone else feels better because you were out there
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>>65216602
>RCR died mid stage
It just keeps happening, Trijicon is cooked
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>>65213043
I tried another bill drill today. It's never spectacular, but I like to shoot one with the first shots of the morning to get a more practical standard of how well I can perform. If it's under 3 seconds and the misses aren't terrible, I'm not disappointed.
https://files.catbox.moe/y1vxu9.mp4
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I like Glocks
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>>65216740
Nice
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>glock 45
>shoots 9mm
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>glock 22
>shoots .40
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>>65216436
Ah makes sense, just hit the range more often and do some dry fire at home and it’ll clean that right up, I had the same issue, was slacking on hitting the range and doing training. Thought my gun was shooting right, then I realized ALL my guns can’t be shooting right simultaneously.
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>>65216811
>glock 40
>shoots .40
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>>65216842
No that one shoots 10mm
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>>65216860
NTA but they're the same width, you can load a 10mm revolver with .40 S&W if I recall correctly.
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>>65216812

Nah, I'm doing wet fire
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I feel a need to buy an extra glock, or at least a slide.
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>>65213260
For fags
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>>65217023
Depends, what Glocks do you have?
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I claimed my G19 Gen 5 was shooting super far left with the stock sights and people kept telling me “it’s not the gun it’s you”. I was partially having to cover the front sight with the right post to hit center, and people said I just sucked. Anyway not saying these are good groups but here’s 1 mag at 15 yards after changing out the sights for some trijicon GL01s and now the rounds go where I want. Kind of a relief to see it perform better after the sight swap.
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>>65217111
21, 23, 30S, 31, 35 (converted to 9mm), 40
and a few extra slides
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>>65213260

Needlessly expensive
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>>65217188
Glock 26, 19, and 43x
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I sleep sound knowing that mecgar is designing a 10 round flush fit mag for the regular 43. I know they're working hard on it and definitely didn't forget about the 43.
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>>65217299
You should already sleep soundly because the CCW scenario where 6+1 isn't enough has never and will never happen.
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>>65217315
Yours is the only life you get to wager on it.
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>>65217317
Of course, I just want to make sure that everyone is provided with the most factual information possible to make their decisions. And it is a fact that no average Joe has ever ended up dead with an empty gun because 7 rounds wasn't enough.
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>>65217274
Yeah a fully stock 9mm would be nice
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>>65217331
Yeah the minimum wage is also a thing but some of us want more.
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>>65216768
Me too, carried on the job, stock and have only changed out the sights on mine.
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>>65217299
I wish it was real.
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>>65216003
>What brought you here tonight
I looking for a fat stupid retard, no wut Im say'n bruh?
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>>65217315
I bought the gun to carry it so I'm cool with the low capacity. If I could shoot a derringer accurately I'd probably carry that instead. It would be cool to have 10 rounds though. I don't carry a spare mag but if I had 10 rounds I wouldn't even be tempted.
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>>65217427
You've come to the right place. Can I buy you a drink?
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>>65211522
think there's a rifle on your HK logo
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>>65211522
God I want this, a Colt A2, a Daniel Defense and a FN rifle
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>>65217458
>>I want 4 of the exact same gun

Is this what AR guys are like?
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>>65217486
Not exactly, there is a difference with ARs, it's just more subtle
For instance, I have 3 ARs
One has a LaRue trigger which is way lighter
two have PSA lowers
One is a Anderson
One is a pistol
But I really want a Colt AR, those are so iconic
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>>65217497
Samesame
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>>65217486
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME!!!!
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>ar talk in /hg/
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>>65217577
We have multiple guns anon
But I will say that I like handguns more than rifles
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>>65217571
They are and 5.56 is boring to shoot on top of it.
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>>65217579
>justifying ar talk in /hg/
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I love my 686
It's one of my "forever" handguns
One out of 10
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>>65217582
SHUT UP YOUR STUPID I CANT HEAR YOU.
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>>65217584
Nice. I like 4" revolvers.
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>>65217590
The only other 4 inch revolvers I want are a GP100 and Manurin
a Python has to be 6 inches for me
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>>65217597
>a Python has to be 6 inches for me
I agree with you there.
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>>65217601
>>65217597
size queens
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>>65217633
How am I size queen?
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>>65217633
Lol you have no idea. I can't even feel 6 inches.
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>>65217653
yeah? what barrel length do you need big boy fuckk
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>>65217657
12.5" hits the sweet spot.
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>>65217673
big barrel for a big man fuckk
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I'm a straight Aryan male. Which handgun should I purchase first?
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>>65217729
M9A4
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>>65217729
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>>65217729
USP 45
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I have two questions. One is for PX4anon, the other is for the public

1) The wife and I went to a coworker's house for dinner. He showed me his guns and he had a dark FDE PX4 Compact. It was ugly as fuck and I've never seen anything like it. He insists that's factory finish.

2) I just bought a pre-B CZ-75. Is it safe to dryfire with snap caps and which mags should I buy for it?
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>>65217734
I said straight Aryan not transgender Hebrew
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>>65217729
All handguns are viable
Pick one that you can shoot well with
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>>65217769
For question 2, I would use snap caps, and get mags from Mec Gar
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>>65217769
1)
PX4anon here, I met a based boomer at a steel match and he came up to me to talk about PX4s. He had a FDE compact, real FDE polymer frame, that he had langdonized. Cool, but a FDE lower and a black slide would be my preference. It's a real variant, there were a few other colors.
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>>65217777
Nice get

I have hollow snap caps and weighted snap caps. I assume either will be fine. Do modern Mec Gar CZ-75 B mags work with a pre-B?
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>>65217784
That's awesome man. I had no idea
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>>65217786
IIRC Mec Gars will work no matter what
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>>65217735
What is this weabootranny NPC handgun, so i know not to buy one?
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>>65217878
That's a Beretta P30sk.
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>>65216768
I liked Glocks more before the cuckening.
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Ran into an issue on today's range trip that I had never thought about before.
>heat mirage coming off my suppressor
Any advice on how to deal with the shimmer making the target dance after a few mags?
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>>65217878
FAMAS
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>>65217896
>>65217923
Niggas need ya eyes checked
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>>65217963
>what's a shitposting response to a shitpost?
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Seems there's a number of people here with weighted snap caps, what brands do you have? I bought the snappoints that are advertised all over the place and they're fuckin trash. The primer pad thing gets a hole in it instantly and falls apart leaving plastic shit in my gun. This is what I get for purchasing a product advertised on instagram.
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Holy fuck why does anyone come here? Are you "people" bots, paid shills, or just autists?
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>>65217970
We like guns
Handguns in particular
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>>65217976
>autist
Ok but it really seems most are shill/bot.
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>>65217970
the thread used to be talking about handguns, posting your cool handguns, and positive interactions related to handguns. several tumors grew and their cancer has driven out most people

it used to be very beveraged based, where people would post their handgun next to their current or favorite beverage.
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>>65217981
Funny enough I only have one handgun with fast food photo
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>>65217981
>posting your favorite beverage
Lmao yeah so Agent Velásquez can get you with an untraceable poison anytime he wants kek

>next to your handgun
That sounds dumb, the only time to take pictures is if you need help working on it, that's it. Simply just posting it like a Facebook post sounds like faggotry. Glownigger faggotry.
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>>65217995
Nigger we are on the cusp of needing an ID to use the fucking internet
It doesn't matter anymore
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>>65217995
then why engage at all with handguns as a hobby you stupid nigger
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>>65218019
trvthem nvkem
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>>65217921
A red dot raises the sight axis up reducing the effect compared to iron sights which look just over the circumference. You could use a suppressor wrap but they make it stay hotter longer and are not really suitable for handguns, just slow fire rifles. It'd probly block iron sights anyway
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>>65217970
>autists
This one.

>>65217981
>beveraged based
It's hidden but it's busch light. Not my usual choice but the price was right and they didn't have 18 packs of high life in cans.
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>>65217969
https://allamericansnapcaps.com/collections/all-products

I use these. I have them in 9mm, .38, .45, 5.56, 12 GA and .357 Mag.Highly recommend
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>>65218048
That many bipods and all with the podlok is a flex all in itself. Which steiner scope is that on the fourth from the top?
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>>65218124
T5xi, the "money ran out but Leupold's not enough" option before chiner scopes clove the market in twain
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>>65218149
Steiner is your budget option?
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>>65216811
>Glock 17
>Doesn't shoot 17hmr
>>65216880
In a 20 can confirm. Doesn't mean you should though.
>>65217633
kekd and chkd
>>65217981
>people would post their handgun next to their current or favorite beverage
I ran out of duct tape, don't judge me.
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>>65216880
>you can load a 10mm revolver with .40 S&W
wait...I missed that part. This better be b8.
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>>65218208
You can with moon clips, they will obviously not headspace without. But as long as moon clip is holding it in place, it's just shorter 10mm
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Now I want a 610
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>>65218211
With a gp100 yeah...maybe? Kinda? Sometimes it goes bang. There's a reason why Ruger made the convertible with different cylinders...js. can't speak about the sp101.
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>>65218236
Dunno why I said sp101. Too much ghetto beer maybe and thinking about cheap generic pythons? RIP Windicator
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>>65218197
Struth.
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a 50 round pistol?
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>>65217439
>Can I buy you a drink?
Just come over and check out collection. I was also 1997 air guitar champion of my village.
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>>65218157
They used to be. All my Steiners were "cheap"
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>>65218258
This was my profile pic on myspace for a bit.

>>65218307
That's crazy. I should have invested when I had the chance.
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>>65218208
>>65218211
>>65218236
>>65218239
I was gonna say, i really don't think sp101 or gp100 come in 10mm.
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>>65217486
>>>I want 4 of the exact same gun
>>65217382
>>65216768
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>>65217995
Why are you even here dude no one wants your advice on fixing guns.
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>>65218441
Yes
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Switching to an enclosed dot for my MOS G49. Steiner MPS or Acro P2?
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>>65218703
>Steiner MPS or Acro P2
Just so you know, the mount is different for each of these.
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>>65218197
>Glock 7
>doesn't shoot 7mm
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>vp9
>shoots 9mm
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>Glock 19
>shoots 9x19
Seems accurate
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>>65219046
>Glock 17
>shoots 9x19 anyway
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>>65219053
>Glock 18
>not 9x18 Makarov
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>>65218610
Is the p226 worth the price over the zastava ez9 or the arex zero 2?
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>>65218739
Yep I know they're subtly different. Any opinion between the two?
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>>65219286
>over the zastava ez9 or the arex zero 2?
I have no experience with either so I can't comment other than the P22X has decent aftermarket support.
>>65219324
>Any opinion between the two?
P2 had superior battery life. 50k hours vs 13k.
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A continuation of thread #1775:

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>>65219286
Depends on what you want out of it. It's objectively not going to perform better, but the P226 has features available that Zastava doesn't. The Zero 2 is on par with a P226 and fixed the xboxhueg grip issue of the Zero 1 imo. It's probably the sweet spot in that lineup if you can't find a used P226 with the features you want at a great price

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