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Why does Finland make the best wheeled armored personnel carriers in the world?
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>>65211347
Because they decend from Vikings?
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>>65211363
Raiding unsuspecting coastal population centers was more of a Scandinavian thing.
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>>65211372
Yeah, but the Finns were a part of that whole mess. To a lesser degree, so were various other tribes from Newfoundland, to the middle east, to north Africa.
All of them traded with the Scandinavians/vikings to one degree or another, some of them were ruled by viking warlords, some had a weird on/of relationship with the vikings, some of the tribesmen became mercenaries or raiders themselves and fought alongside the vikings.
That whole chapter of history is complicated and poorly documented.
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>>65211406
Be it as it may but one has to ask how does a motorized steel tube filled with fighting men relate to Viking long boats apart from their shared ability to float on water and more importantly why are these later motorized steel tubes so popular?
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>>65211347
They have the shittiest combination of terrain to adapt to.
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a cute
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>>65211372
Finns don't count as Vikings? What about Holland?
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>>65211422
>how does a motorized steel tube filled with fighting men relate to Viking long boats
Could they just put a dragon head on the front(prow)?
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>>65211942
Finns basically didn't emerge from the swamps before 1400 or so, and vikings were a much earlier thing. In fact vikings would probably have been raiding the finns if they had anything worth stealing but at the time all they had was squirrel skins.
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>>65211951
Pity, I always gave he Finns so much respect and dignity. Now, I find they are just the hillbillies of Scandinavia eating boiled barely and sea urchin roe. I still think they are at least as cool as Estonians.
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>>65211347
They don't? Every veteran I know who's had to drive a Patria says it's a piece of shit
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ITT: completely false, misinformed, lazy, wet-brained, Norse/Viking speculation.
I'm not going to explain anything to you, I already have a thread on /his/ about them
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>>65211976
Why did you put them on a pedestal?
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>>65211347
Have you seen the terrain there?
There's a reason they produce so many high mobility amphibious vehicles.
Bogs and lakes and more bogs for days.
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>>65211976
id say the main things you can idolize the finns for is that they're generally too naive and simple to be really bad people. it's a country of peasants who are all content to grill and hope things work out somehow

however things often do not work out and we routinely get our asses kicked in this globalist world. no one wants to make anything cool or new for export because "its too risky", or even learn how to not sound like a retarded autistic asshole when speaking to foreign clients because idk stubbornness i guess. there are solutions to this country's problems but no one wants to commit to them because it might slightly inconvenience them or because the politicians are the same retarded peasant stock as the populace
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>>65212046
All true and it's because of women.
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>>65212046
>no one wants to make anything cool or new for export because "its too risky"
I kinda liked 'Troll', but not I find out it's as Norwegian as NAMMO. And would it be too much for her to get a shorter, regular name?
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>>65212055
id say the biggest issue is poorly educated elderly men, because only care about their grill and in worst cases are the type that think that changing your mind is gay. but i guess it's elderly women too. boomerism runs rampant in this country too, as well as all the other failings that come with democracy. it's so nice that we don't have that much corruption compared to other countries, it warms me to know that no one's benefiting from our poor choices
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>>65211976
the Sami people lived in peace with the mosquitos,
building up an immunity to their bites.
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>>65211942
>What about Holland?
Northern Germany had viking populations, but I don't know if it reached down to Holland.
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>>65212075
No I mean all women, young and old.
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>>65211406
Finns actually had barely anything to do with Vikings despite the geographic proximity. Consider that there are over 3000 runestones in Sweden, three of which even reference what is present-day Finland and the number of ancient runestones found in Finland is 1 (partial)
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>>65211942
Swamp-germans, not vikings
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>>65212063
Rare Exports is Finnish at least
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I'm so tired of this rampant finnophilia.
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>>65212249
But binland is kool
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>>65212092
Women want hueg immigration for some reason but the people who fucked the economy for decades were men
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>>65212284
Women pushed them into it.
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>>65212291
Into... making sure we never diversify? I didn't know Jorma Ollila is a woman either
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>>65212299
He's probably one in disguise.
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>>65211406
Finns were isolated from Vikings and had nothing to do with them.
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>>65212389
Are Finns better than Vikings?
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>>65211363
Finns do not descend from vikings.
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>>65212923
What is thier origin story? The real aurl history of The Finn People?
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>>65211988
What veterans? Ukrainians?
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>>65212927
Mixed race of multiple peoples which has become genetically homogenious distinct group over the centuries. Just like any nation state. Russias, laplanders, swedes and southern middle-european clans. Vepsäläiset, karjalaiset, swedes, and so on. I can't recall them all because it's so rarely asked.

It's not a grand mystery no more than the ethnic origins of brazilians, or any people of a national state. It's just that it generally becomes an inconvenient topic when politics become involved and as such is ignored. It's dumb that people keep insisting otherwise. But like I said, it's due to political reasons.

No. Finns were not vikings (swedish pirates/raiders) any more than, i don't know, italians were vikings. No raids occured because the coastline was sparsely populated and finns had nothing worth risking your life over(ie. compare their churches of that era to middle european churches), so instead the vikings settled on the coastline. Which leads to the effect of picking family lines to validate social standing and life choices, an act well known in US. In which, for example, a person with 1% native american genetics identifies as one.
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>>65212936
The ones in his head.
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>>65212999
Interesting, at least to me. Is there any significant blending or exclusion of Neanderthal DNA in the common genetic heritage of "Finns"? Are Samiis more asiatic than European and what are the oldest human archeological finds dated to? Do Finns claim pic rel, or is this from another culture?
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>>65213055
That's a Russkie.
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>>65213062
The girl, not the rifle.
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>>65213069
That's a Russkie. The girl and the rifle.
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>>65211363
You're thinking of Danes. Which are like whatever who cares nation.
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>>65212257
I don't get it
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>>65213087
Is Daneland really a place name?
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So when it really comes down to it, who's better the Finns or Norge? National jingoistic posturing accepted.
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>>65212284
how do you even get brown immigration? There's no way niggers/camelfuckers would freely go somewhere where you only see the sun half the year with temperatures being freezing most of the year. Also your language is completely unrelated to any language they probably speak, on top of being grammatically complex. Why go to Finnland and not France or Spain or something where there is already tons of them, the weather is nicer and the language is probably already familiar?
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>>65213313
>how do you even get brown immigration
Russia

https://www.dw.com/en/how-asylum-seekers-pay-to-cross-russian-finnish-border/a-67549597
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>>65213313
welfare state
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>>65212046
>no one wants to make anything cool or new for export because "its too risky"
NOKIA
Fiskars
Patria
FinnPower
NOKIA
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>>65213358
Nokia phns suck, and Nokia will die before Motorola, meanin before 2030.
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>>65213384
Nokia died in 2012 anon.
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>>65213389
VALIDATADED! Also, Fiskars is largely mocked as a knife co.pany. i like them, but Imma cheap bastard.
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>>65212046
I do like “sisu” a lot. I also wish I had a Finnish mommy bear wife
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>>65211347
Because they don't make good tracked apc.
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>>65213455
>Finnish mommy bear wife
> "Miss Finland is a representative of Finland to the world," an organizing committee official said. "Racism is contrary to our values."
Like this? Are Finns really the happiest people?
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>>65213482
The irony of a finn making fun of asiatic eyes.
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>>65213482
>Higher happiness correlates with higher racism
It all makes sense now
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I have over 90% Norwegian blood but I’ll always consider Finns frens Viking or not because they’re more autistic than I am
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>>65213488
The three most racist countries in the world are
>Iran
>Belarus
>Bahrain
Followed closely by Myanmar. All countries know for their happy populations and high quality of life.
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>>65211995
Nokia, Sako/Tikka, Kimi Raikonnen, Mika Hakkonen, Subaru. They punch above their weight.
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>>65213488
RAMPANT HAPPINESS! Y'all gotta be less happy and more not happy!
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>>65213532
>Kimi Raikonnen
TF is this, some kind of raman?
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>>65213384
Who gives a fuck about phones, Nokia handles network infrastructure now and is the best in the world if you don't want to deal with chink shit
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Looks fucking happy!
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>>65211363

Nope.

Vikings pretty much refused to raid Finnish areas after that one big Swedish viking raid had a little bit of pushback.

Finns burned whatever was Stockholm at that time.
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>>65213532
Subaru is Japanese you retard
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>>65213532
Don't forget Simo Heihaa.
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>>65213488
>It all makes sense now

Racism (all xenophobia really) is a natural impulse that is meant to protect your tribe from outside danger.
During modern times it has mixed effectiveness depending on your situation but for a first/second worlder encountering third worlders it is an amazingly good litmus test.
If you suppress a society's natural reflexes and socially engineer them to be welcoming of anyone, you not only make them highly vulnerable, you also make them neurotic because their innate reflexes are constantly fighting the NO! BAD BOY! learned responses to the "EW, ALIEN, STAY VIGILANT" impulse their brain is sending them.
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>>65213612
Hardly an export.
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>>65212043
sanpaku
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>>65213636
Same problem with female emancipation which leads to an amazing smorgasbord of problems as their natural predispositions run contrary to the social engineering and fuck up everything from birth rates to identity politics and immigration policy.
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>>65213651
Barely, if any. I see those eyes and see intelligence, alertness and engagement. All indications of superior breeding.
>Genetics: Inherited facial structure.
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>>65213668
>smorgasbord
>viking word
This lends cred to the post. I would take this post seriously.
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>>65213673
She's clearly off her gourd on SSRIs.
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>>65213681
that's almost every woman at that age desu, she just needs a little snow session
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>>65213313
desu finland does need skilled immigration to survive the consequences of its pension system pyramid scheme, but what it does not need is a horde of global south rejects with no skills or work ethic to speak of. as you said, finland is the last choice for any skilled immigrants because germany, france, spain etc all have better weather, better pay and the languages are easier to learn. and thus all finland gets is a bunch of "taxi drivers" and such, which have 0 chance of getting jobs and are a further drain on the economy.

i came up with some ideas how finland could pull itself out of this vicious loop of only getting retarded migrants and becoming poorer.

1) pull a singapore and make english an official language in the capital area. no need to learn some new gay language if you don't happen to speak it. english is fine. and then really market the helsinki as a place for high skill immigration

2) actually spend on stimulating the economy. find some new clients. speak proper english to them instead of garbled retarded sounding finglish. whine and lobby non-stop for EU gibs like spain and italy do.

3) completely and utterly gut the pension welfare subsidization shit from real economic activity like salaries and so on. make finns attractive to hire for outsourcing purposes (currently it is NOT attractive because of pensions draining like 25% of every transaction). put boomers on life support so the economy can grow

obviously none of this will ever happen because finns are exactly made up of the type these changes would cause the most short term pain to (retarded, stubborn elderly boomer types who can't into english and are too shy to ask for gibs or market themselves). so instead this country gets to become greece 2.0 in about 10-15 years
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>>65213681
>clearly off her gourd
Have you ever had sex? With a woman, I mean.
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>>65213641
Now now, Finland exported a lot of dead russians back then
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>>65213738
Kamikaze simping isn't healthy anon this just makes you look desperate. When you date in your 20s and 30s you begin to notice patterns.
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>>65213572
Lol hook line and sinker. Fucking faggot.
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>>65213699
>obviously none of this will ever happen
Sounds kind rim. Can you offer homesteading in the rural reas for farming and ranching (cattle/caribou) to stimulate "desirable immigration"? I swear I saw an island between Ireland and England that was givin away properties, but you had to stay and raise children.
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>>65213738
Yes, it's not that hard to pull off unless you try to play by the good boy rules taught to you by the 50 y/o RESPEKT DA WOMYN schoolmarm and cuck squad.
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>>65213673
Those are stab you to death in your sleep and wear your face and penis eyes
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>>65213745
>When you date in your 20s and 30s you begin to notice patterns.
I am way past that, and on my 3rd wife and 2nd mistress.
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>>65213758
Christ you've made some lawyers happy
t-lawyer
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>>65213758
Normally when people get to that stage they either hate women or just hate themselves.
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>>65213755
>Those are stab you to death in your sleep and wear your face and penis eyes
Exactly what you want in a Prime Minister.
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>>65213781
>i can generalize people I haven't met
Pretty happy, bro. I just want a Finnish or Estonian peasent girl.
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>>65213795
I mean sociopathy is an outlier.
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>>65213807
Then you need to use precise language, if you intend to cast off-hand insults. The women will always be there. It's the selections I appriciate. Iceland by August for the eclipes would also be a nice diversion.
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>>65213466
tick tock
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>>65213828
I said normally that doesn't include flesh automatons with their divine light severed.
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>>65213844
Well, ok then.
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>>65211347
So how long until we get the inevitable "My Spring Pataria" where the dev forces you to relive his mandatory service period maintaining a warn out APC that breaks down every 20 minutes.
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>>65212927
>origin story
>>65213055
>significant blending
Took a bit, but this video is the exact genetic analysis, (excluding Neanderthal admixing) I was hoping for. Even including gross ceramics archeological finds, and fine haplogroup details: https://youtu.be/7qxDTkNTUiE?si=Z1z-qsx9S65BIbWH
>>65211995
>Why did you put them on a pedestal
I would say Klæbo, but Norge. Still, the man is a fucking machine!
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>>65214093
>this video
I forgot to mention the presenter's atrocious Scotish accent (so rough I'm assuming), I had to turn on CC.
>>65212237
>Swamp-germans, not vikings
I can appriciate this now.
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>>65213834
>What if we took the MTLB and made a version for humans?
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>>65213834
I said apc. Glass is not armored
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>>65213088
It's really quite straightforward
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>>65213487
I have 0% Asiatic admixture and I'm Finnish
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>>65213749
>I only pretended to be retarded, got you!
OK
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>>>/pol/
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>>65213358
Don't forget Wärtsilä, KONE and Nokian tires!
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>>65215044
>I have 0% Asiatic admixture
That you know of. Have you actually had your DNA analyzed?
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>>65215572
Not me but my parents did
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>>65215584
That's pretty conclusive! My implication was only that the new science (not that new anymore) can yield suprises.
>3% moorish
Unexpected results like that.
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>>65215584
No asiatic DNA, just proof of being closely related?
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>>65214465
damn they made the whole thing out of glass? wild
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>>65211347
Does it float? Does it have impellers?
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Talk about APCs already you larping niggers
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>>65212075
>it warms me to know that no one's benefiting from our poor choices
Silver linings.
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>>65217374
Lead by example, anon.
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>>65215764
Pasi likes water. Better than the BTR-60...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5v9tDrLoqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvFfPfzOwTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJRrwi7xnS8
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>>65212043
PUTA.
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>>65213313
>how do you even get brown immigration?
Female voters.
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>>65211976

Sounds like you don't understand any of the groups in Nordic countries
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>>65213313
Lefties want new voters and conservatives get money for housing them. Natives in this country barely have any human rights anymore.
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>>65217671
>conservatives
Do you mean European-style conservatives or American-style conservatives?
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>>65217697
European liberal conservatives. They are only conservatives by the name.
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>>65217712
I suspected as much.
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>>65217667
Do I have to?
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>>65217788

Depends whether you want to base your understanding of Nordics on history and facts or mental images and steteotypes.
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>>65217826

One more
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>>65217832
You got the wrong pic.
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>>65217826
>Depends whether you want to base your understanding of Nordics on history and facts or mental images and steteotypes.
I have a pretty comfortable and early immunity:
>>65212927
>What is thier origin story? The real aurl history of The Finn People
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>>65217893

>What is thier origin story?

I like the Roman historian Tacitus's description of Fenni

>In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge happier than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished.
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>>65217926
Nice. I also found thier genetic history: >>65214093 (you)
>this video is the exact genetic analysis
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>>65211951
>>65211406
There's got to be a reason why they've found the second most ulfberts there (Finland 30, Norway 44)
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>>65217574
>Better than the BTR-60
Wasn't the BTR-60 also notorious for an incident in which some conscripts drowned after their BTR capsized and sank while crossing a lake?
Even if some mistakes were made with preparing and loading the vehicle, the thing sounds like a deathtrap even when operated correctly.
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>>65213482

Thats actually an albanian woman making that slant eye thing. Karelian finns are 8-10% asian so some of they look quite asian but with fair features.
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>>65218438
Yup, extra ass weight added in Finland, poorly teached water crossing procedures and a hunk of junk, that leaks gallons of water in straight from the factory, got 7 conscripts killed. It fell in ass first and laid upside down in the bottom of the lake. No one got out, as the hatches were blocked. Those that were on the deck jumped off and swam to other vehicles. I think it's still forbidden to swim with passengers during the peace time. Only the crew and a training officer are allowed.
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>>65218086
We like swords I guess
We also have weird bronze sword stashes all over the place (I forget where, been a while since I read Miekka Suomessa)
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>>65213395
Fiskars has gone drastically down in quality in the last ~10 years. Their axes and shovels used to be amazing. Now there are plenty of cases where they can break on first use. There is only so much you can cheap out on materials/production costs before it starts to affect the end product.

Gerber was a mistake.
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>>65218513
>albanian woman
>miss finland
Well, ok.
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>>65218613
>used to be
I still like them. That pic is years old and my splitting maul is not much younger. Fiskars Hori Hori frame right.
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>>65213564
Why I as a fin dont knoe of this?
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>>65219465
Because it's bullshit
The real reason why we weren't hassled by Vikings as much was that the population mostly lived in forests inland and the coastal Vikings pretty much went "fuck that, we're not going in there"

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